Don't Go To Other Churches Looking For A Hand Out When You Are Still A Member Of The NTCC. I Don't Care What Gender You Are. If You Don't Have A Job, You Shouldn't Be Looking For A Hand Out. Not Only That, When Your Church Founder Is A Millionaire, (Like RWD) You Shouldn't Need To Go To Other Churches Looking For a Handout!!

MDR Wrote...

Hello everyone! We hope that you've all had a wonderful summer. We certainly have because we actually got to enjoy one! 

The other day we ran into Sister Warwick at Wal-Mart, formerly known as Sis. Norton. She was quite distraught about her husband who fell asleep behind the wheel and had been in a car accident on his way to work. He is recovering from foot surgery and will be out of work an extended period of time.

She told me that she was going to ask "brother kekel" if he knew anybody who could help them get a car. I told her, why don't you go to RWD and ask him for help. You've been a loyal member for 40+ yrs. He should help you. I told her, he has enough money to buy you a dealership, let alone one car. Her reply was, Pastor is out of town right now. I then told her go to "brother kekel". He's got enough money to buy you three cars. I said come on, you've proved your loyalty. You've been faithful for all these years. Someone should help you, and with no strings attached.

Well, word has it that Pa Kinson made a "pastoral visit" and Sister Warwick asked him if she would get in trouble for asking other churches for financial help in her time of need. And word has it that Pa Kinson's reply was, "Of course, you can do that. That's what they're there for"

Another compassionate moment on display by NTCC.

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In a previous thread MDR wrote...

 As I pondered the other day about all of the years with NTCC, I realized that my wife and I were part of a 25-year ponzi scheme and we got burned.

I have heard RWD many times say, "I marvel at how dumb preachers are". The last time I heard that was when we went to one of those so-called conferences in the PI. There were no day services, and the women were cut loose to go shopping. All of the preachers were sitting in the hotel foyer listing to the same old diatribe of RWD. He actually said these words: "Preachers are dumb. They have bought into the idea that they can spend their money for the work of the Lord and He'll take care of them when they're old". I was sitting there thinking, Oh my God, is anybody else hearing what I'm hearing? He's talking about us!

I really think that he realized that I was affected by what he was saying because the very next day, in the hotel foyer, he undid everything he said the previous day. He said, "You brethren have sacrificed and God remembers and He will take care of you in your old age. So cast you bread upon the water", yada, yada, yada.

My thought was, yeah, he's right, we're dumb because we have followed him all of these years and what do we really have to show for it, and all the while he's become a millionaire. Yep, we were dumb, but not anymore.

Chief

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Someone posted...
   

Chief, I was thinking about how the org, goes about trying to make converts? I remember going to a conference and much was said about this new method that "they" found out, was the most successful in bringing "people to God" which was door knocking. I remember mck was the one who oversaw this event and gave instructions on how to do it. They even gave each of the ministers a booklet that explained all kinds of things like having cards made for each of the people that would visit, I mean, it was really involved. Now I look back at this, and I think this was a way for the printing shop to make money, because just a few years back, rwd, had been asking for pledges for the printing shop, and encouraging the pastors to order church cards from the org. and all kinds of stuff that the printing shop had.

The "door knocking" method that mck taught that conference, involved making visitation cards, sending letters of welcome, soul-winning booklets, pamphlets, some people even ordered their own cards from the printing shop with their name and phone number on them, so as to look more professional, and these people were looked at as really being dedicated to the work of God!

Now that all is said and done, I really didn't see churches really exploding in attendance, because they implemented this so called "God's method" I remember people being chastised from the pulpit for not going "all the way" in doing what mck taught in that conference. I remember rwd saying that the method they taught was the real way of soul-winning and if you didn't do it the way they told you then you were a rebel and God was not going to bless you, and that is why you didn't have any people in the church, because God doesn't bless disobedience!

Maybe some of the pastors out there can come and put their 2 cents worth here, on how they are really bringing people out by the throngs by doing it God's way!

Great topic and post, written by someone with a good recollection. 
   

Chief wrote...

I remember this event vividly as I was also at that conference.  I also remember RWD saying that if any pastor thought he had a better method for soul-winning, and that pastor could prove his method with significant numbers of personnel in church, then RWD himself would visit the church, verify the effectiveness of the pastors program and implement it.    RWD also prefaced the whole introduction of MCK's program by saying that MCK was a proven leader, and MCK's soul-winning program was a proven method, and every pastor needed to implement Kekel's program without exception.  Then we went back to Atlanta and Mayers took the program to whole new level making it more tedious than the one that Kekel introduced in the first place.  Mayers insisted that we write out two copies of our soul-winning reports by hand vs using the computer, which was a bunch of garbage.  I'm disgusted that I even adhered to Mayers mandates for one second.  I should have told him to go take a long walk off a short pier.   Thank God my family and I didn't stay at that church very long after all that garbage was implemented.  It was slavery and bondage, no more, no less.  It was like living under the law while answering to a control monger.  Grace had been thrown out the door. 

Chief