An NTCC dude being used like a puppet. "Send your wife over to Mikes place to clean his bathroom." "Make sure she washes his dirty underwear also, Brother".
Mike wrote this on his blog...
"If you weren't envious, you wouldn't complain about what others have, sorry. There have been no Escrow accounts disappearing, and I get a weekly balance sheet showing what the churches hold. It's all right there, on deposit in each church's name. Just because it isn't available for any pastor to walk off with, (which is what they are designed to prevent and have proven effective) doesn't mean it disappeared. None of it goes to the Graham church, only the books are kept here. How would you have any knowledge of that, and why are you making a statement like that without basis? How much did you personally sacrifice?"
Jeff said...
Your reasoning is flawed Mike. Complaining about shady or questionable money handling procedures does not equate to someone being envious. Is a DA envious because he or she decided to question a millionaire in the MOB for example? Were the people envious who questioned the manipulators in the Enron Scandal who had planned and executed accounting fraud?
Was Vic Johanson envious when he asked your father in law (RWD) when the $10,000 was going to be restored to the church in Alaska right before your father in law replied "when the time is right". Was it ever restored?
Envy has nothing to do with it. That is just your super spiritual attack rhetoric that has been commonly used against anyone who questions any NTCC leader.
You seem to expect folks to never question you simply because of your holiness title which you believe should naturally result in everyone taking your word as gospel. If you don't trust your pastors then why in the world should we trust you? I'm not looking for an answer to that question because it was rhetorical and the answer is obvious. Folks shouldn't trust you no more than you trust your pastors which obviously isn't very much.
You actually insulted your pastors when you suggested that the escrow accounts were set up to prevent some renegade pastor from running away with the NTCC's precious money. Once again, this is what you wrote Mike:
"Just because it isn't available for any pastor to walk off with, (which is what they are designed to prevent and have proven effective) doesn't mean it disappeared."
The word "disappeared" in this case is just a figure of speech anyway and you know it Mike.
So you have so little confidence in your pastors who are supposed to be the example of truth and justice, that you had to create a counter measure designed to prevent them from running off with the NTCC's money? Do you consider yourself to be that much more trust worthy then they? Where is the counter measure that is set up to prevent you or your fellow partners from simply using the money for your own personal wants and desires i.e. "to disappear"? You obviously don't trust them but you expect people like myself to trust you? Is that some kind of joke? That is the problem Mike. You and your pastors treat folks as though they are so far below you and you guys can't even help yourselves from acting like that. You've been doing it so long it has become your nature and it is sickening. Essentially what you are saying Mike is: "Trust me because I'm the big cheese at Graham who is RWDs son in law but don't expect me to trust you and this escrow account is designed to keep you in check "PASTOR".
You also said that Casey ran off to Florida to play Golf. When did that take place Mike? Even if he did, is that any different then the Mayers running off to Flordia to go to Disney World or Universal Studios and Mayers wife having pictures of herself posted on the internet with fingernail polish and toenail polish? You want to highlight info on someone who has left your church but I don't see you highlighting the Mayers trip to Florida? Oh I almost forgot. Mayers made good money for your church (for a while) so he gets a break and his trip to Florida was OK. I remember when the money dried up in his church also and he started taking up more than one offering to pay the rent. Also, I saw the nail polish picture with my own eyes and there is no need to question my integrity. For the record I could care less what she wore or wears on her nails but I wasn't the wife of the guy who was preaching people into hell for the exact same adornment. It ain't like Mayers didn't see it. You guys are a bunch a double standard hypocrites.
I like the way that clown wrote on your blog that I made a deal with the devil. When are you and your zombies going to get tired of using all this NTCC, super spiritual, mumbo jumbo rhetoric? Exposing you and your crooked, abusive pastors has nothing to do with the devil. Many of your pastors act like the devil but I didn't have to make a deal with the devil to figure that out. The devil didn't ask me to report the NTCCs crooked deeds either. I've never spoke to the old dude. The devil probably has more decency than some of your abusive, control monger pastors who you've done little or nothing to stop. Have you forgot Mike that you admitted to me on the phone that some of your pastors are in fact abusive? Oh but it's ok as long as you ain't the one on the other side of the pulpit. The old devil would probably rather I didn't expose you guys because he is having a ball watching you guys use people while you Mike Kekel twist the truth while willfully telling outright lies.
Jeff
Remembering a favorite jargon saying of rw davis. That ntcc cult members are our true family. Brother's and sister's in the Lord. That we have a much better time around Gods family then around our own family. Who really care's about you,your Blood family or Gods family? rw davis would say,Gods family.
ReplyDeleteI would say Gods family that is NOT in ntcc. And also my Blood family has been there with welcolming arms. To help,heal,and love me since escaping ntcc. Once Mike K. knows your truly gone. The LIES begin. Do everything they can to discredit a person that leaves ntcc. Because if God led them to ntcc,something must be wrong with ntcc if a person leave's there grasps. Ya think!!!
yeah Mike and Tanya really care.
While out in a "work' my blood family calls,checks in,see if we need any help. who bailed us out time and time again? Blood family. Who is there for us now,Blood family!
Friends that I have made since leaving ntcc TRUELY care for me. Folks know what is FAKE love and what is REAL love. Giving someone a few bucks here and there is NOT CARE AND LOVE! Just a token now and then. Keep them on that line of control.
I could have totally cut off my family/. Like ntcc would like you to. But I could not do that. And a Good thing. Since leaving has been a wonderful thing to reconnect with family. First thing my Mother said,you were SUCH a different person while in that Organization. Yes,you do become someone that is not Yourself. You become what they want you to become. You are there robots. Slowly,takes years for some. But you will fall in line and be like everyone else!
Just listen to Gods voice,he is telling you what is real and what is not. You don't need to read my words or Mike K. damage control words. Those thoughts God has put in,that you want to push down. because you think your doing Gods will. Just listen,you know the truth!
Ahh, Thanks Jeff. It's good to read the truth about all this spin garbage kekel is putting out-now that he has to, once again, do damage control and try to look normal for the public. What a phony. kekel is a coward too. Hiding behind his blog, afraid to answer simple questions of a reporter.
ReplyDeleteHow many churches in ntcc?
How many members?
How much money comes in?
Where does the money go?
kekel knows the answer to every one of those questions.
he also knows
NOBODY WOULD ATTEND HIS CULT IF THEY FOUND OUT ABOUT ALL THE SHADY DEALS GOING ON IN THE ntcc...
so, as usual, (yawn), kekel pulls out the old offended
(yup, it's ok for kekel to get offended; but "all you n*ggers", says davis, don't get offended...)
persecuted preacher routine.
I can hear the "Magic" trick song in the background as kekel once more tries his hocus-pocus let's divert their focus routine.
pathetically predictable as always
kekel is a schmeckle.
NTCC follows a system of ethics, not unlike many other institutions such as the military, non-profits, doctors, counsellors, businesses and so forth. You who are ministers know what they are. The New Testament teaches us, without regard to a certain churches or denominations, that certain people are not to be fellowshipped with. But some of you have your church members on your Facebook, along with X-ers and ministers, etc. So you are putting church members, members of OTHER Pastors and churches, at RISK on your Facebook, making them accessible to haters of the church. How is that ethically right? It’s time to clean up the mess.
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From Mike's blog. I can remember while in ntcc I was afraid of public schools for my children. I was afraid to make friends outside of ntcc. FEAR! Ntcc loves to use that tool to keep folks in line. Now he wants them to FEAR facebook. Is he that clueless. He doesn't know you can hide your list of friends from everyone. If You want you do not have to get folks updated status. Where they do share about there LIVES on there. ntcc is AFRAID of the Facebook. because they can not control it,the communication that happens on there. They have no idea what people are talking about. WHY do you think you have to get persmission,who you have over to your home while in WA. So they know who is talking to who. You will hear,we are just looking out for your well being. BUNCH of baloney! They know your putting two and two together. They know that you know the so called rules/policies are bogus. And any GROWN ADULT person can decide who to have to there home. And can discern judgment of the right people to hang out with. Anyways,WHY would they be in bible school if they were not the right folks to hang out with??????
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The Apostle said that he labored and strived to both preach Christ, AND WARN PEOPLE. That’s why I feel no grief about warning you. I’m not “posturing” as one man said, or seeking vengeance on this blog. But these X-ers have been flying under the radar long enough, creeping among you, ostensibly as your friends, while sowing discord and driving wedges. It is high time for NTCC’ers to realize that these serpents hanging in nearby trees need to be grabbed by the tail and yanked out, and removed from the garden. Remember, no one can control your Facebook but you.
Another exert from Mike's blog. It is Ok for him to be out there as he see fits to Warn others. But see's others as seeking revengence. Yeah,he knows what we think,and our motive's!!AS IF! He knows diddle squat! He also knows very little about FB. And why folks even use FB or Myspace. It is not called a social networking for nothing,LOL
Anyone notice he says in the first part,it is TIME to clean this up on FB. And then last part. No one can control your FB but you. But he is Sure trying to control it! Smearing people's name and character. GOSSIPING!Making stuff up that he is only guessing at. Such a man of God you got in ntcc!
trying to keep the masses happy. So they don't leave in drove's like they have over the past five years! JUMP SHIP FOLKS! You will find ,once your away from that influence. God will get a hold of your brain and wake you up to so much that you tried to Ignore for so long!
More reporting inaccuracies.
ReplyDeleteFEAR! Ntcc loves to use that tool to keep folks in line. Now he wants them to FEAR facebook. Is he that clueless. He doesn't know you can hide your list of friends from everyone. If You want you do not have to get folks updated status. Where they do share about there LIVES on there. ntcc is AFRAID of the Facebook. because they can not control it,the communication that happens on there. They have no idea what people are talking about. WHY do you think you have to get persmission,who you have over to your home while in WA. So they know who is talking to who. You will hear,we are just looking out for your well being. BUNCH of baloney! They know your putting two and two together. They know that you know the so called rules/policies are bogus. And any GROWN ADULT person can decide who to have to there home. And can discern judgment of the right people to hang out with. Anyways,WHY would they be in bible school if they were not the right folks to hang out with??????
ReplyDeletePREACH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"But these X-ers have been flying under the radar long enough," mUck
ReplyDeleteYes, "flying under the radar" on open blogs which allow anyone at all in the whole wide world to read and comment, unlike mikey and ntcc with their secret blogs and no anonymous posting and only approved comments...
"creeping among you, ostensibly as your friends," mUck
like soooo many ntcc spies
"while sowing discord and driving wedges." mUck
like tanya and verna busting up marriages and mUck asking who was prejudiced to get those racial tensions flowing....
"It is high time for NTCC’ers to realize that these serpents hanging in nearby trees need to be grabbed by the tail and yanked out, and removed from the garden." mUck
It IS high time for ntcc'ers to realize that these serpAnts hanging out in the PULPIT need to be grabbed by the tail and yanked out, and removed from the garden!
"Remember, no one can control your Facebook but you" mUck
Remember, no one can control your Facebook but MIKEY AND
BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BE VERY AFRAID!!!!!!!!
Here is my BIG QUESTION to all who still attend NTCC, the big REAGAN question:
ReplyDeleteAre you BETTER OFF now than you were Four Years Ago?
I can tell you I was better off the day my daughter Charity was born. The Day my Daughter was born was the Day my Relationship with NTCC Died: 20 August 2004. Praise the Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bro Johnson
Talk about trust. How about the trust and many of us had. In these men and women in ntcc leadership postion. Even trust in our own friends in ntcc. Who would jump at a chance to RAT someone out. We did it ourselve's. While stuck in the cult. You had it brainwashed into your head. That it was looking out for your brother or sister. To Rat them out,was a good thing! And what was the end results when you ratted them out. They were used that night in the BASHING preaching that night over the pulpit.
ReplyDeleteAnd there you sit,like a Heel. Keeping it all to yourself. That you were the one that ratted out your OWN friends. Friends in ntcc was ALL you had. Since outside friendship's are DISCOURAGED! Those are Gasp,sinners. We can't be around such evil,bad influence people.
Similar occurance happened with the Jews. There friends they had lived there ENTIRE lives around. Would rat them out to the Nazi's. For those of you in ntcc. It is not helpful to rat each other out,break trusts. It is to help the control ntcc has over everyone in .
I just love reading the Gushing messages from folks in ntcc right now. Especially church members. it is Gush-Gush NOW. Give them a few years. Hopefully that is all that it will take them . To listen to God's poking them. Those nagging thoughts in your head,that this is not right. And LEAVE. We ALL sounded like these gushers at one time! Thank God,he got my attention and my DH attention. And we got out of this cult. Before it totally ruined our live's!
Then the one's that leave will be called"haters' To smear us and make sure we look like the bad guy. And take the spotlight off rw davis,mike K.Joe Olson,Johnson,Gesang and other men in ntcc. That do the brainwashing!
CM
Jeff, you've got mail.
ReplyDeleteWhat about all the nasty stuff Mike said about the Shunk's? Or more specifically about Rev. Shunk? Is it even true? Why hasn't Rev. Shunk refuted anything Mike wrote?
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if you are asking me but that is a question for Greg Shunk. I'm sure he has his reasons. Kekel is a smear campaign artist. He's had a lot of practice while with the NTCC for all these years. He's learned from the best. RWD and all his minions. I can't stand them.
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