Today is a very big day in the life of Mike Kekel's son; High School Graduation. It will be interesting to see what he is going to do after high school. Does anyone know? Of course for approximately the last 30 years or more the NTCC leadership has categorically stated that New Testament Christian Church parents were a complete failure if their children didn't attend the NTCS after they graduated high school. That is if they graduated at all. Just ask L.D. Jones; his daughter didn't graduate high school. Of course L.D. would explain away the whole thing by reminding folks that his child was a "GIRL". The NTCC has no problem with keeping women in a perpetual non-educated condition. Mike Kekel has recently attempted to justify secular college attendance for obviously no other reason than to grease the skids for his son's potential slide into such institutions. It's just so sad that so many other NTCC parents were guilt tripped into refusing advanced schooling as even an option for their children whether they were a boy or girl. Let's just see if GK attends the NTCS? M. Kekel will probably come up with some crazy response along the lines that his son already graduated the NTCS by default, (due to all his church attendance) or he will be attending the NTCS by correspondence or Tanya the great NTCS professor has already instructed her son in all spiritual matters through private tutoring. Nevertheless any explanation or the lack thereof should be interesting.
Jeff
My nephew graduated from high school yesterday in Charlotte N.C.
ReplyDeleteIn the fall he will be heading to the University of North Carolina at Wilmington. My Brother and Sister in law are Senior vice presidents at Bank of America in Charlotte. They will be footing the bill for their son's education and are looking to buy a Beach Home in Wilmington where their son will spend his Four years of college.
Well isn't he lucky you say!
I agree! The difference between my nephew and Mikie's son {my younger brother's name is also Michael} He will not be benefiting from his parents preying on innocent people who fork over their hard earned cash so he can enjoy a priveleged lifestlye. I do not know Banker vs False preacher they do have many similarities to be honest!
Olsons daughter,Regina did not graduate Highschool either. Sis olson once explained it to me. They kept using the 'dangling carrot" method with her. To keep her into her studies,I guess. Had her in private school and homeschooling. I am not sure if she ever went to a Gasp,Public school? She eventually stopped schooling. And the last carrot was to get her GED. Which from that explanation,she did at least get her GED!
ReplyDeleteNTCC parents (ministers or not) often don't have time to assist their child with school work in any way. I know another NTCC pastor who kept his daughter back a year because she simply didn't have time to keep up. He and his wife were too busy and had too much going on with the NTCC and their crazy schedule. I know this because his daughter and mine were about the same age and they were friends.
ReplyDeleteThe Kekel's have kept their son from going to conference for the sake of school and I remember. NTCC parents are so brainwashed that they can't even see that they've deprived their children of the very education that the Kekel's son has quite effectively received.
NTCC folks are more worried about Thursday and Sunday night service then they are worried about their child getting a good night sleep that is so important to effective learning. My daughter would have to bring her home work to church in order to get it done and it shouldn't be that way. I finally drew the line in the sand when my little boy started going to school. We wanted him in bed by 8:00pm so he could get enough sleep and that meant that one of us had to stay home with him on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays. One of us did not make service and if I had to work then both of us didn't make it. I finally woke up and realized that my family was more important than the NTCC's crazy schedule. A schedule that RWD said was necessary so that his ministers could bring in enough money.
In conference RWD said, "if you aren't holding a full schedule of services, (five a week) don't call Graham if you don't have enough money coming in". Church on Thu, Sat, and twice on Sun wasn't about spirituality, it was about bringing in enough money.
You NTCC parents are really making a big mistake when you let the NTCCs schedule interfere with your NTCC parents are very often more concerned with providing for the NTCC (which ultimately results in the Kekel's son being provided for) more than they are concerned with providing for their very own children.
That is ok. Just sit back and watch Kekel's kid become an academic success while many of your sons and daughters remain academic failures and dropouts.
Jeff
My DD is staying back this year. She was about to go into Highschool. But she shut down this year. With the gaps in her education. It was catching up to her. We try helping and working with her. She has been in private,homeschooled and public. Will finish out in public,BY our choice! I seriously do not see it as a NEED that I send my child to a private school. it is more for the parent. They can get it in there head that private is sooo much better edcuation,atmosphere. BLAH! Seen not a whole lot of difference between all three of those choices. NONE of them are going to eutopia for your child!
ReplyDeleteBUT,with all of the jumping around,moving we have done. I did push to keep her back. Teachers were trying to push her on,do summer school. I KNOW,another year will help her SOCIALLY and academic's are lacking with some basic's. Socially ntcc has hindered her,by us keeping her away from life. Another year in eight grade,which will be in a different state. Her Last and will finish school there!!
We did also pull her out of school for MANY MANDATORY conference's. Though it may be different now,we HAD to take our kids out of school. Some could get the kids to grandparents if could afford the extra miles to get them there. Then do the stinkin' babysitting circle swapping off horrible ordeal at conference!
One thing we got now,my DD can choose if she wants to attend college. WHICH is Another change in ntcc. secular college is just FINE and DANDY! We all know for A FACT that rw davis preached AGAINST secular college for men or women!!!
Grant Kekel hasn't moved all around the United States either. That gives him a clear advantage academically.
ReplyDeleteIn the NTCC the Kekels are advantaged. It's called preferential treatment based on partiality.
ReplyDeleteJeff
But,Mike K. son has a disadvantage. He has been even MORE sheltered then my children or others in ntcc. He has no idea what LIFE is like. What is out there.
ReplyDeleteNoticing some treads of some kids. with parents out of ntcc. They do not know how to handle life,decisions,social interaction. they are behind the Curve,trying to catch up.
Grant has never left Washington. Never left his parents side. Not sure if Tanya ever let him go to a friends home for a sleepover that was not in ntcc. She told me once,that her and Mike did not allow Grant to attend sleepovers!
If he goes off to college. Leaves Mama and Daddy's protective side. Where they have always provided for him. Have him go and get a job!! Well,shouldn't he pay for his college. His Grandfather's words. If you don't earn it,pay for it. You will NOT APPRECIATE IT!!!
Secular colleges are going to be a nightmare for Grant.parties,Frats,ect.. He does not have any knowledge on how to handle these situtations. I hope he does not screw up his future. Because his parents kept him in the "community" of ntcc. Similar to the Amish!!
Do you think Grant is going to get a job? And even if he does do you think the little chump change that he makes will even compare to the amount of money that his parents and or grand parents will be shelling out for his education and every thing else he wants or needs?
ReplyDeleteRWD is a multi-millionaire and Mike Kekel is probably worth a cool million as well I would guess, if not way more. Kekel is easily worth a million, easily. The last I knew the 39 acres of land that the NTCC gave to Mike and Tanya was worth $373,000. His house is probably worth way over $500,000. Bud there is about a million right there. Kekel doesn't have any debt and nothing but money rolling in? Grant disadvantaged? Are you kidding me?
Maybe that makes you feel better thinking that but Grant is hardly disadvantaged. His parents put him through high school at almost $20,000 a year at Charles Wright Academy. Do you think all of a sudden Grant is going to have to foot the bill? Anonymous you've got it all wrong in my opinion. Grant don't have to worry about JACK and neither does Kekel. There are many other NTCC children who are legitimately disadvantaged but buddy Grant Kekel ain't one of them.
Jeff
Not only that Grant (from what I can tell is a pretty smart young man). There are articles about him and his accomplishments while at Charles Wright. He is a smart young man by all accounts. Just because he was born with a silver spoon doesn't mean he is not smart or capable.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to say again, Grant Kekel is hardly disadvantaged. Barring some unforeseen catastrophe,(which we certainly should hope doesn't take place) he has everything laid out for him on a silver platter with with a big silver spoon right next to the platter. The Kekel's son has it made to say the least.
I can't even imagine how many hundreds or thousands of NTCC parents have sacrificed big time and as a result their children went without just so that RWD's daughter, son in law and grand son could have it made in the shade. While NTCC parents were running all over the U.S., the Kekels were staying put with a ready made church with nothing but money flowing in. While other NTCC kids were being held back or failing because of a completely unstable lifestyle, the Kekel's son was being provided the time, stability, and finances required to ensure almost certain academic success.
While other NTCC kids were being deprived the very opportunity to participate in extra curricular activities like sports, the Kekel's son was afforded every opportunity to participate in everything a child could dream of.
While other parents were being guilt tripped into thinking that the only future for their children was the NTCC school of rules, Grant Kekel was being prepared for everything but the NTCC school of rules AKA the NTCS. Disadvantaged? Grant? Not hardly. If that is being disadvantaged, I'll take it any day over the garbage that just about every other NTCC child had to put up with.
Moving from town to town. Parents broke half the time. No measurable childhood to speak of. The so called camp ground where the conferences are held being the only vacation spot they would ever grow up knowing. That is disadvantaged.
Jeff
i was talking SOCIALLY and don't call me buddy. I am not your bud!
ReplyDeleteHe has lived a even more social recluse life then other kids in ntcc. Especially one's like mine that moved away from ntcc. Those that stick right in washington. there kids are part of the cult that does not make friends outside of ntcc thinking!
I was trying to show that he could end up a very messed up boy! I was not taking up for mike K. or his son or his wife!!!
Doing good in school has ZILCH to do with doing well in life. He has NO streets smarts. He has NO idea what life is outside of those gates of the ntcc COMPOUND!
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April said...
ReplyDeletei was talking SOCIALLY and don't call me buddy. I am not your bud!
Jeff said...
When I used the term, "bud" I was addressing my response to an anonymous poster who I would have had no clue to his or in this case her identity. We've posted back and forth with each other for a long time April so please don't take offense with me referring to an anonymous poster (who I only now know to be you) as bud.
Having said all that I still see no condition that would qualify Grant as being disadvantaged. I guess you and I just won't agree on this one and that is perfectly fine. That is what makes us both free thinking individuals neither of which could have thought very freely had we both remained in the NTCC. I think we could both agree on that.
Jeff
I think that BOTH OF YOU make some very valid points concerning Grant Kekel. I think that it will be interesting to see how all of this pans out.
ReplyDeleteNo attitudes, Please. At least not until I take my meds....
Mark
Grants disadvantage lies in the fact that he is going to have to come to terms with the fact that his father is a false teacher...that is going to be hard to reckon and will cause him either to be distessed or to come along side his dad and fleece the flock of God....regardless of his wealth he is in a bad place and he is definately bright enough to figure all this out on his own.
ReplyDeleteHow often do you think he sneaks on these blogs to see what people are saying? He is educated enough to reason all this out in his mind.
Poor kid! it really is a sad situation!
T
Good point, T. grant will have to make a choice.
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And I don't see pointing out that Grant has led a very secluded life,sheltered life. As trying to make him sound like other kids in ntcc! I actually think ntcc kids are better off then Grant was my point. MOST ntcc kids leave Washington at some point. And when they do,they are exposed to more then just the few kids they play with in the ntcc community.
ReplyDeleteI was looking at it more on a social level. Then a financial level. We all know that Grant has lived a life that other kids in ntcc could only drool over. And pray they got invited to his house. Just so they could jump on his trampoline,or watch DVD's with him,or JUMP up and down until Tanya's chandliers shook(FACT)!!Anything that was good for kids came because Grant got it. First it was the Gameboy's at the fellowship halls. If anyother kid had brought one in. That child and there parents would have been publically humilated. I did witness a child humilated at a fellowship hall. When rw davis went up to the kid and accused the child of bringing the gameboy into Church,GASP! No,the parent tried to tell rw davis. Almost pleading to explain that they game was in there vechile and the child got it after church was out. What FEAR you had to live in. To be afraid that rw davis point out in front of everyone that your child was playing games in Church. While Grant slept in church. had a pillow and blanket when he was little. And layed on the floor and went to sleep,many,many,many times!!!!!!
i totally get it that Grant led a prilivaged life. I Got that! But socially he is a lamb being led to the slaughter. He has No idea what life is like outside that fence! My child had friends in her public school. Of different Culture's. We allowed her to play at there home's and those kids played at our home. Radical for most in ntcc!! Sinners kids came to our home!!!
Like I said,I know my DD is behind in some area's socially. But without being away from ntcc,or us allowing her to have a normal childhood. She would be even further behind then she is now!
I am not trying to portray Grant in any postive light. More of I can pity him. He has led this life and has no idea what is out there. And may just end up screwing up his life. And he will have to decide if what his father and Grandfather have been doing is morally and biblicaly correct!
April
What many don't understand is that by virtue of the school G. Kekel has attended, his socialization experience has been vastly different from the typical NTCC kid. I recall a conversation when Verna Davis told of a school trip to Canada that G.K. attended. This included an overnight stay. I'm not sure how many days. That classifies as a sleepover in my book. Tanya Kekel stating that her son was not allowed to attend sleepovers is just another one of their half-truths in my opinion. School trips and outings are sleepovers, just not at someone's private residence. G. Kekel has probably partook of many such school-sponsored excursions.
ReplyDeleteAt the bottom I've attached a link to Charles Wright Academy 2009-2010 report that clearly outlines requirements for their graduates. Backpacking, sea kayaking, camping, 15 hours community service per year, mandatory senior internships, and mandatory sports participation doesn't sound like a situation where G.Kekel had no opportunity to socialize outside of NTCC.
Also note the report states that CWA is a college prep day school where 100% of their graduates attend a 4-year college. I guess that rules out NTCS for G. Kekel. Also (pun intended) NTCS is not on the college matriculation list.
My point: G. Kekel has not missed out on socialization having been an NTCC kid. While the rest of NTCC has kept the strict rules of no sleepovers, only 2 visitors, and no fraternizing with the world, the Kekels have indulged their son in all sorts of "worldly" experiences. They've gotten away with it right under everyone's noses. Why? A possible response from Mike Kekel: "Silly rabbits, don't you know we were just following the requirements mandated by G K's school."
Here's the document I referenced.
http://fc.charleswright.org/cwainfo/FAV1-0001711D/FOV1-00017606/2009-10_Report_to_Colleges.pdf?FCItemID=S0099BC8A
Jeff's Wife
So GK has had a Girlfriend? Has GK been around kids of other culture's. NOT just the kids in ntcc? ntcc kids social skills to live out in the world are hindered!
ReplyDeleteAs I have observed kids that have left ntcc and my own DD. All her friends were ntcc kids. to go out and make friends is foreign to them. Making the right decisions. Some have gotten overwhelmed with having a social life.
Besides putting out personal information. Hard to get into it. If your kids were young when you left ntcc. kind of hard for you to grasp what I am getting at. My DD was preteen.
Field trips is not the socialization that I was getting at. Slowly my DD is learning how to invite friends over(a group). or go to the movies with a boy she likes. Make good choices with her friends.Not let her grades slip to be with her friends. LIFE!!
April
April
For the record, our daughter is now a high school senior and we only left NTCC two years ago. So April, I fully grasp what you are getting at.
ReplyDeleteFirstly, kids of other cultures are in most every school to include Charles Wright. Just look at the website and you’ll see white, black, Asian, Hispanic, Indian, all kinds.
Secondly, just by virtue of G. Kekel being on the football and basketball teams (as stated by Mike Kekel) he knows exactly what sorts of things kids can get into before and after games and practices. There is plenty of time for a normal fun-loving kid to get into “whatever” they want. Just between school and practices, G. Kekel most likely spent 8-12 hours a day in a secular environment. Mike and Tanya weren’t there holding his hand all day.
Thirdly, you wrote “So GK has had a Girlfriend?”. Who knows? I don’t know, you don’t know, and his parents wouldn’t even know because teenagers are notorious for doing things in secrecy.
Yes, everyone sees G. Kekel show up to church with his parents for and hour or so, but the rest of a teenager’s time is filled with other things and people outside the home. I know. I have one. School and extracurricular activities account for large amount of her day. We are not liberal parents who allow our daughter boundless freedoms just because we’re out of NTCC. Even with that being said, we can only hope that she is making good decisions when she’s not with us. I’m sure the Kekels share the same sentiment.
My Point: G. Kekel gets no automatic “halo of innocence” just because he’s Kekel’s son and Davis’ grandson.
Jeff's Wife
My DD went to a private school in two different states. Sorry those kids were about as clueless about life as kids in ntcc!!
ReplyDeleteUnless tanya really did a 360 degree. Since we left Washington. Which i doubt. I am sure she had as much control on his life as she could. Just like her father has control on her life. Same lady that still went to her father to make her major decisions for her! I had seen her on occassions tell folks. Will get with my father about such and such and get back to them.
Isn't the school attends a Relgious Prep school?
Being around kids and hanging out ,at your home,out and about. Is much different then walking the halls,or walking to and from practice. Played sports myself. Your time is scheduled. The most he may have got was locker room talk. from kids that lived the preppy life. And can assume a secluded from life.
Sorry you and Jeff. Are trying to see me giving Grant a "halo" of innocence. Or I think that he underprivilaged. I have explained that. I really see this going nowhere! Can wait one,maybe two years. And will see what happens!
He lives the privilaged life,which does leave him unaware of what life is about. He has been given everything. So he does not know what Work is.
Your not seeing my point. Like Jeff said. we can agree to disagree on this one! I do agree with what you and Jeff and MANY others are saying. I have already posted many times about rules being changed just for Grant! Oh well!
April
Grant does not live a disadvantaged life nor will he the way I see it. I think Jeff and his Wife are right about this one. The kid has been allowed to do all kinds of different things including socializing with non-NTCC kids. One hour a day is spent in church and approximately 10 hours a day are spent in school not to speak of all the other activities that he has been allowed to participate in with non-NTCC kids. He probably spent more time at football practice than he did in church.
ReplyDeleteWhat would you expect the kid to be exposed to? Drugs? Drinking? Walking the streets of a city ghetto late at night? All kinds of loose girls? All kinds of wild parties? Would those activities make him normal? There is nothing wrong with a private academy and especially the one that Grant attended. Grant has lived an ideal childhood outside of all the NTCC brainwashing that I'm not so certain he was subject to anyway. He has always been allowed to do stuff that other NTCC kids couldn't. You know that as well as anyone April. Like Jeff said, I don't see Grant being disadvantaged in anyway and certainly not socially.
Your child and Grant are not the same and you can't expect that Grant will have the same problems or experience the same things that your child may be experiencing. There should be no reason that Grant will have any problems adjusting out in the world, a world that he has experienced a lot more of than most other NTCC kids.
It's nice to be able to disagree and still be able to voice one's opinion! We were never given that right in the ntcc! It feels good to read others differing views and learn how they think and why.
ReplyDeleteI've heard that Grant is pretty spoiled. If he acts like it that could serve as some kind of social disadvantage.
ReplyDeleteNone of us know what will happen with Grant to include Jeff and his Wife. Rev. Kekel will probably keep Grant's progress somewhat quiet. I'm sure Rev. Kekel wants to influence as many NTCC children as possible to attend the seminary. It wouldn't be good for public relations if everyone found out that Grant attended some ivy league school for example. That would be a slap in the face to every other NTCC parent who sent their children to the NTCS where they don't even receive a real diploma.