This is something that I have asked one of the board members. Why would someone spend 20 years of their life with NTCC or any other church and then decide to leave? What would it take for such a drastic action? If it was only a few then you could understand that maybe they had a problem, but you must ask yourself the questions, why so many leave after 10 to 20 years? What have they seen and been through? Is it really a lie of the devil, are they really in a battle, do they all want sin, or is what is being said the truth?I had been with NTCC for 20 years and like so many others, I began to really look at what was being done and what was being said. You begin to see how certain ones are set up for success and others are left on their own to do everything themselves. You look and see that you have given your all to build a church, that Jesus said he would build by-the-way, and then you are still called lazy and not doing it right during conferences. You see all the time, money, and energy that you have given and find out that it is still not enough. Then God begins to deal with you about his grace, mercy, and love. And when that happens and you compare it to what you have been taught for years, your eyes are then opened. You may not know exactly what is going on, but you know that God loves you and salvation is by his grace and not of works. Understand I am not talking about going back to sin, but all the things you are told that you will do IF you are saved; all the rules... Too much of anything will hurt you physically as well as spiritually.
What does facial hair have to do with being saved and serving God?
Jeff said... Nothing but of course I almost forgot. R.W. Davis is more spiritual than the Lord Jesus, who according to the Bible wore a beard. We live in a different time and Jesus wouldn't wear one now either, right? Phooey
What does video games have to do with being saved and serving God?
Jeff said... Nothing but I almost forgot. Double Standard Davis didn't have a problem with his grandson playing video games but in the NTCC, what is good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander.
What does being at conference have to do with being saved; most of us have supplemented the churches income to pay bills and really can't afford it?
Jeff said... Nothing but I almost forgot. God recently changed his mind about that one, didn't you know silly rabbit? Now you can be saved and miss conferences. Mr. Kekel said conferences are not mandatory, (like they most certainly used to be)! Pastors are missing them all the time now. Kekel prayed about it and found out that it seemed good to the Lord to lighten up the standards a little bit. He doesn't want everyone to go to hell you know.
What does being in church 5 times a week have to do with being saved? Other than to keep you working to be saved and tired so you don't think.
Jeff said... Nothing but I almost forgot. Didn't you read the part in the Bible where it said: Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together at least 5 times a week but no more unless the New Testament Christian Church leadership decides for it to be so? Silly rabbit, you must have missed that part. Didn't you hear Davis say in conference that you are not to call Graham with money problems if you are not having 5 services each week? I heard him, weren't you listening? That is the Biblical, excuse me, I mean (NTCC) formula used to effectively fleece the sheep. (5 SERVICES A WEEK dodo). Do I have to tell everybody everything?
What does soul winning at every free waking moment have to do with being saved? Also keeping you working to be saved and tired so you don't think.
Jeff said... Nothing but I almost forgot again. It's a numbers game. When you have a system of verbal abuse, stupid man-made rules, and bully pulpiteering techniques in place like the ones RWD taught by his very example, you have to constantly bring in new people to take the place of the ones you run off. No wonder so many people leave the NTCC. There is obviously no one like me available to enlighten everyone on all this stuff. If they knew all this, they would certainly have stuck around for another 20 years.
These have been rules even though it has been recently said that they were or are not; all of us that have been with NTCC more than a few years know the truth.
I know that we will do some of those things sometimes, but God NEVER mandated them for salvation or being right with God. Works are freewill and not mandated for salvation and being right with God. Even sanctification, which NTCC calls holiness, is on an individual bases; it is not mandated or legislated. It is between God and that individual.
I left NTCC (not God) about 3 weeks ago and I do not regret it. I really don't regret most of the time I spent with NTCC other than giving so much money to the church that I neglected my own future, but it was as unto the Lord, and neglecting my family which I am making up for now.
I have been called by many who have thought about leaving NTCC or that have already left in the last few weeks. God has dealt with them about his grace, mercy, and love and when that happens it will not be long until they also will say that they and NTCC no longer agree.
I was a big defender of NTCC like so many others here, but after the years begin to pass, you see what is going on.
There is a reason why they tell them not to read blogs like this. They realize that if others share what is going on in their life then they can no longer say that it is a lie of the devil or the person is just in a battle. There are TOO many witnesses.
Bro. Bellamy
Bro. Bellamy wrote...
ReplyDeleteThese have been rules even though it has been recently said that they were or are not; all of us that have been with NTCC more than a few years know the truth.
Jeff said...
And that is one of the biggest problems I have with Kekel and the NTCC leadership. They treat us like we are stupid by insulting our intelligence. Kekel has a lot of nerve when he says certain practices were never the result of understood NTCC rules. They most certainly were and guys like Bro. Bellamy know it. Have so many people forgot the messages that were preached? Well, Bro. Bellamy hasn't and neither have I.
Jeff
Jeff said:
ReplyDelete"Jeff said... Nothing but of course I almost forgot. R.W. Davis is more spiritual than the Lord Jesus, who according to the Bible wore a beard. We live in a different time and Jesus wouldn't wear one now either, right? Phooey"
Don said:
You see, Jeff, what Double Standard Davis meant was that was the custom back then but now we have no such custom so we'll just call it sin. I've heard it taught that a mustache makes a person look dishonest like a used car salesman. Can't imagine where that pearl of wisdom came from. But you know, Shick didn't invent the electric razor until 1931, at which time people no longer could have any excuses for their sin. Now they cover their sinful face with hair and when they come to the ntcc they will be introduced to holiness without which and if they have a mustache or beard they will eventually be told to get with the program and shave it off.
Don and Ange
Jeff said...
ReplyDeleteAnd that is one of the biggest problems I have with Kekel and the NTCC leadership. They treat us like we are stupid by insulting our intelligence. Kekel has a lot of nerve when he says certain practices were never the result of understood NTCC rules.
And you know what the most pathetic part of that statement is? He can look you right in the face and say it without cracking a smile. When he says it, He really means it! He's real good at giving "Clintonesque" answers, and blowing smoke up your butt. And man, Can he EVER SPIN!!!
Bro. Bellamy said,
ReplyDelete"This is something that I have asked one of the board members. Why would someone spend 20 years of their life with NTCC or any other church and then decide to leave? What would it take for such a drastic action?"
Al said,
When my Master tried to neuter me, I decided it was time to leave. Call me Crazy; but I'd rather be Nutty than Neutered. From what I'm reading on these blogs, ntcc dudes will put up with even THAT! It's pretty bad when a man has fewer rights than a dog.
If you think we in NTCC, trust all that is written here, then you will trust this statement also: "But light waves would still require a medium for transmission, and the actual purpose of the experiment was to determine the existence of that medium. The results speak for themselves: the Earth does not move. And even if the Earth did, the problems inherent in keeping it moving through this light medium called ether are overwhelmingly supportive of "Flat-Earth" theory."
ReplyDeleteThis is how foolish your reportings/writings are to us.
So, just go join the "Flat Earth Society".
FES-NM
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteWasn't sure if you noticed the above post "Flat Earth" was originally posted over on the Life is Good thread, yesterday. I thought transferring it over here might liven things up a bit.
Don
In NTCC, a flat wallet is more relevant than a flat earth.
ReplyDeleteit doesn't matter if those of you in NTCC trust what is written here.
ReplyDeleteThese are true stories written by real people who were die hardsC
you may be somewhat new to ntcc so you don't / won't see or experience what many of us did.
doug hardy
The Flat Earth Society sounds like a bunch of dogmatic and delusional intellectuals that have their head either in the sand or up their anuses. Sounds like NTCCers to me...
ReplyDeleteFES-NM said:
ReplyDelete"This is how foolish your reportings/writings are to us.
So, just go join the "Flat Earth Society".
FES-NM
Don said:
We are so impressed with your knowledge of the flat earth theory, but we would like you to take some of your earthly wisdom and use it to shed some light on the double-standards that are practiced in the ntcc. Can you use that theory as an allegory to explain why God has changed his mind about making conferences mandatory?
Back when the earth was flat and your cult leader told you that if you were saved, you would find your way to conference, people would quit their jobs to adhere to davis doctrine. But now that the world is round it's ok to miss conferences. I guess God has changed his mind on this issue.
Back when the earth was flat your cult leader would tell you that if you went to secular schools of any kind you were disobeying the calling of God and we all know that "the gifts and calling of God are without repentance". Now it seems that since we discovered that the world is round we have to compensate for the medium in which light travels while the earth is moving so it looks like God has changed His mind again. Now not only can we send our rebellious grand child to secular college but we can do it using tithe payers money. That's almost as bad as tax payers footing the bill for abortions.
Back when the earth was flat, we used to think that the tv was really called a devil vision and the internet was called the sinner net and beer was devil juice and democrats were devil-crats. Now that we have gotten wise and God's light has shown on us and we have discovered that the world is round, we find that God has changed his mind about these things one more time. Now it's not only okay to watch TV but you can own one and allow your children to watch dvd's on it. Now it's not only okay to surf the internet, but you can have a computer with a dvd drive in it and watch movies on that. You can also have a face book page as long as you don't allow Xers to be your friends, "you need to snatch them out of the facebook garden by their tails, and cast them out" according to the wisdom of mck. Devil juice is probably still called devil juice and democrats might be a little bit evil but so are a lot of republicans.
The point of all this is that you are the one FES-NM that is living on a flat planet and meanwhile the earth just keeps on spinning regardless of your theories and your holier than thou attitude. The world is going to keep spinning because people are wising up to reality. If it looks like a cult, smells like a cult, sounds like a cult and feels like a cult, guess what?
Don and Ange
Yeah, the Flat Earth Society guy (NTCCer) who has all of these theories that can be disproven by facts (e.g. photon waves and particles not ether genius). So NTCCers never come on here with presuppositions? Do you ever examine what you hear (e.g. Acts 17:11) If you don't listen to what's on this blog than you might believe everything that comes across your pulpits or from the mouth of your false prophets.
ReplyDeleteFlat Earth Society Dude (NTCCer) - So rather than being RWD-centric and thinking that the earth is flat, you need to be Jesus-centric and realize the earth is beautifully round and doesn't revolve around your organization...
ReplyDeleteFES-NM wrote...
ReplyDeleteIf you think we in NTCC, trust all that is written here, then you will trust this statement also
Jeff said...
That is no great revelation. I don't trust everything that is written here. You'd be pretty foolish to trust everything that anyone wrote or said to include Double Standard Davis. You can trust very little that RWD says. I trust the majority of what is written here. Most people who write here do their best to tell the facts as they really happened. I know I do. I've talked to a lot of people who write here and I ask them questions sometimes to get more facts about what they've written. I can't do that all the time or even half of the time and I don't claim to. Even if everything written here is only half true or part true that would certainly show the NTCC as one big time messed up organization.
Now a lot of the stuff I know for a fact is true because I experienced it along with a whole lot of other people who write here. You can't deny the double standards. You'd be pretty foolish to even try. You can't deny that Kekels son is going to a secular catholic college. You can't deny the fact that RWD said openly that you are a failure as a Christian parent if your child doesn't attend the NTCS. Too many people heard him. So if the Kekels are failures as Christian parents like RWD said, then whey are they still in charge. Only two reasons and two reasons only. Nepotism and double standards. No other logical answer.
Do you believe that FES-NM? Don't duck the question or avoid it. Please answer the question. According to RWD very own statements, are the Kekels failures as Christian parents or was RWD simply wrong when he made that statement?
If the Kekels can't even lead their own kid to the Lord, then how can they lead a church? Please answer the questions. I'll be waiting.
Jeff
Jeff said,
ReplyDelete"Please answer the questions. I'll be waiting."
Ha! You'll probably be waiting as long as a single brother in the ntcc waits for a bride! Ruff. Ruff.
That's funny Dog. Every brother needs a bone and it helps if it has a little meat on it. Yeah, I'm not expecting an answer.
ReplyDeleteJeff
The FE folks have facts. They have been around since 1547. They have repeated their facts since that time and has not changed a thing. Your reports, like theirs change nothing, mean nothing and are nothing.
ReplyDeleteTake care and do not get to near the edge....
Also, stopping my comments, then this blog will die...
FES-NM
FES-NM what a LOSER
ReplyDeleteif mr butler that worked in the office is around email me at realc4ever@gmail.com
ReplyDeletedoug hardy
FES-NM said....
ReplyDeleteYour reports, like theirs change nothing, mean nothing and are nothing.
Jeff said...
I beg to differ. If one person leaves the NTCC as a result of reading this or another blog, (which has happened) then the reports mean everything. Factnet worked. Tracy's Blog worked. This blog works. Don and Anges blog works. Deb Shunk's blog works. Even though the Reed's blog wasn't set up to directly target the NTCC, it works also.
The more people who read these blogs, the more people there are who realize that what we write is true. The reasult is, more people will leave the NTCC. Having said that, I do like it that you post. Your comments do assist in keeping this blog going. For the most part, all comments do.
Jeff
Does anyone know about the property that ntcc bought on 8329 W. Superior Ave, in Pheonix, AZ. Can't find any pictures of this particular house but it is the only one with a pool in the backyard, looking at satellite imiges. The ntcc purchased this house for $150,000.00 on November 9th, 2010. The same house sold for $385k on June 7th 2006.
ReplyDeleteIn my limited research I could not find a picture of this house, but it seems different from the houses we had knowledge of in the past. My question is what is a non-profit organization doing buying up real-estate in Phoenix and why do they have need of a house with a swimming pool? Is there no bounds to their hypocrisy? I'm sure that the money spent on this house could have been spent more wisely. Does anyone have knowledge of this property?
FES-NM....whoever you are, you are a joke because it doesn't matter if a group has been around since 1547. Fringe groups like this will deny facts even if they are brought face to face or "to the edge" for FES-NM. With their weird beliefs and practices, they try to prop each other up and boost one another's ego. "Surely our great leader with his revelation could not be wrong". NTCC sounds like the Gnostics many times as they claim to be the ones with the purest of knowledge, holiest of intentions, and certainly the most spiritual of individals. Fake Environment of Spiritually Nepotistic Morons (FES-NM)
ReplyDeleteFES-NM said, "Your reports, like theirs change nothing, mean nothing and are nothing."
ReplyDeleteNow that's funny, real funny. If you only knew the calls and emails these bloggers get and the people they have influenced you might fall off the edge yourself. There are so many people inside ntcc who are clinging by threads, knowing all is not right on the inside, many think and even say they feel trapped, having experienced many of the same or similar things to what is written here, and just knowing they are not alone is very empowering.
Blog on.
The devil is lying allright, he's lying to those who refuse to see the truth, not to many who have left and are NOW in the process of leaving.
Wake up folks, people are disappearing from the NTCC ranks, and it's not invasion of the body snatchers.
LD
Don -
ReplyDeletehttp://www.maricopa.gov/Assessor/ParcelApplication/Detail.aspx?ID=101-30-333
http://www.realtor.com/property-detail/8329-W-Superior-Ave_Phoenix_AZ_85353_5a540006
http://www.redfin.com/AZ/Tolleson/8329-W-Superior-Ave-85353/home/28187398
Also Sales History (2001-present)
$150,000 on Nov. 19, 2010
B: New Testament Christian Churches Of America Inc
S: PF Notes LLC
$102,900 - Foreclosure Auction Oct 27, 2010
$384,465 on June 7, 2006
B: James Azie
S: Dr Horton Inc Dietz Crane
"The FE folks have facts. They have been around since 1547. They have repeated their facts since that time and has not changed a thing."
ReplyDeleteMaybe the chameleons at NTCC could learn something from them about how not to compromise one's beliefs.
FES: Rock solid since 1547
NTCC: Can't even hold out fifty years without caving on what they themselves defined as salvation issues
"Is there no bounds to their hypocrisy? I'm sure that the money spent on this house could have been spent more wisely."
ReplyDeleteI don't know; a 200K profit seems pretty wise if one loves money. The real-estate-holding-company-masquerading-as-a-church scam looks pretty lucrative (as in filthy lucre).
Vic, they know when to wait for a real estate market to take a dive and to low ball someone that is trying to get rid of a church building. They play the waiting game and can make a cash offer, so they have the upper hand in negotiations. They have it available either in business credit, cash in the bank, or equity from other real estate. I like the fact that they have it in the name of NTCC, which is how RWD's houses always are titled. Don't want anyone coming after his personal assets.
ReplyDeleteThanks Anonymous,
ReplyDeleteCan't find any pictures on this one. Still can't imagine a non-profit religious organization being able to justify a purchase like this. I wonder which escrows were zeroed out to purchase this house?
FES-NM said:
ReplyDeleteAlso, stopping my comments, then this blog will die...
Don said:
I have to give you a little credit. Your comment was so ridiculously stupid and ignorant it did generate a little bit of a buzz.
Just so you don't think too highly of yourself anonymous, This blog has more hits and comments than the dead blog that your master runs. He has an entire organization that contributes but he gets less than a 10th of the comments that you can find on this blog. The comments on mck's blog are without substance and most of them are "God bless you Sir!!!" What a bunch of cheese eating suckers. The ntcc is dying and we feel sorry for most of the people because many are good folks with good intentions. The hypocrisy of it's leaders are why it's being destroying it from within.
Don and Ange
Don - Do you want a blueprint of the building? Google has the most up to date maps, but maybe download Google Earth or something. There is their GIS website, but you need to download the add-on:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.maricopa.gov/assessor/gisportal/gis_portal.asp
Here's the warranty deeds for the stuff in Phoenix -
House - http://156.42.40.50/UnOfficialDocs/pdf/20101016918.pdf
http://156.42.40.50/UnOfficialDocs/pdf/19990498084.pdf
http://156.42.40.50/UnOfficialDocs/pdf/20031368067.pdf
In NTCC, a flat wallet is more relevant than a flat earth.
ReplyDeleteThat just made me chuckle Vic. Hilarious but sooo true!
April
Phoenix House - Warranty Deed in RWD and VD's names -
ReplyDeletehttp://156.42.40.50/UnOfficialDocs/pdf/20100917746.pdf
Beneficiary Deed to GK -
http://156.42.40.50/UnOfficialDocs/pdf/20110016659.pdf
A little word play on Colonel Jessep's speech from A Few Good Men - "You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that is outside your marble walls. And those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, little NTCCer? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You say you weep for souls and you curse the ex-NTCCers. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that our leaving, while tragic, probably saved lives. And our existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives...You don't want the truth. Because deep down, in places you don't talk about at church services, you want me outside that wall. You need me outside that wall.
ReplyDeleteWe use words like honor, code, loyalty...we use these words as the backbone to a life spent defending something. You use 'em as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket purchased by the very money I have provided, then questions the manner in which I provide it! I'd rather you just said thank you and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you're entitled to!"
here's the video of jessup
ReplyDeletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo
It's such a blessing to be part of an organization that puts so much back into it's workers! May the Lord continue to bless it and everyone that would be part of it!!
ReplyDeleteSaturday, March 19, 2011
Cut and Pasted without Permission of a guy by the name of J L Fulmer.
Bro Bellamy I am sure you would go to town with this statement!!
This guy thinks that NTCC INVESTS in its WORKERS!!! I gather from your testimony Sir that this is an INACCURATE statement. In NTCC you are ON YOUR OWN. Pray Brother. God will make a way to pay the Rent!!
Bro Johnson
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteIt's such a blessing to be part of an organization that puts so much back into it's workers! May the Lord continue to bless it and everyone that would be part of it!!
Saturday, March 19, 2011
Cut and Pasted without Permission of a guy by the name of J L Fulmer.
Bro. Johnson you are trying to push my buttons, but I have forgiven any "wrong" that I perceived/received from NTCC. (I used the word perceived for a purpose; I can agree to disagree with NTCC and still be right with God.)
There were many reasons that I decided that it was time to leave NTCC.
What finally made up my mine was God delivering me from a battle and showing me that I am saved and kept by his grace and power and my works and santification is not a heaven and hell issue, but are personal. NTCC has made sanctification and works, which they call holiness by using the scripture that says "follow peace with all men and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord" heaven or hell issues and they are not.
Sanctification is the state of growing in divine grace as a result of Christian commitment after conversion. Which is not a heaven or hell issue but personal growth.
Holiness is complete devotion to God; not outward appearance. Which is heaven or hell, because we must be completely dedicated to God; he must be first, but this does not take away from other things that are important; family, friends, loving our neighbor, and helping the poor and mentally ill, whom we have been taught not to invite to church; it makes us take our responsibility to those things more serious.
(Remember these words, "you can't build a church out of the ghetto" Jesus is the one that builds the church, our goal is to tell people about Jesus so they can be saved regardless of who they are or what they can do for the church) We are not in the church building business but the soul saving business.
I made the above statement so that you/they would know that it wasn't a money issue as much of an issue of going back to the grace and love of God. NTCC has heaped upon God's people their laws and grace and mercy are in its shadow; taste not, touch not and handle not.
That being said Fulmer probably falls into the category of my statment I made in May 2011.
"If NTCC controls the money then they control you; just like the government. If they "decide" to give you something then you feel grateful, not realizing that they are taking from you all the time, and giving you back just enough to survive. So you continue to "vote" for them; believing that they are helping you when they are not."
The Pastor that has replaced me is a good example of NTCC "putting back" so much into their workers. He is almost 50 years old has moved at least 6 times and now is working a very difficult manual labor job. He doesn't have much money for furniture. He is expected to make sure all the bills are paid for the church. He has to have money for gas for soul winning and must have food to eat. He has an old car that has mechanical problems. And he will not be able to receive any money from the church for at least a little while, because there is barely and sometimes not even enough money for the church to pay its own bills. I am not making this statement to put him down in any way. He is showing once again his dedication to God, but also to an organization that shows that it does not care about its preachers! He helped show me that my decision to leave was ABSOLUTELY justified.
This is getting long so I will continue later.
Bro. Bellamy
I really was trying not to make many comments on this blog. My desire was just to chalk this up as a learning experience and move on, but after being dedicated to a church for 20 years I see how difficult that is. They tell us, and I use to say the same thing, why not just move on, but that would be easy if it were not for the fact that we loved/still love them, and gave so much of ourselves to them. I see that it is easy for them just to forget us, unless we begin to post on blogs like this one, because of their lack of true love for us. An overseer was in Cleveland 2 weeks ago, but he did not call us or ask to talk with us. We have only been out of NTCC for about a month.
ReplyDeleteThere is a couple who left NTCC a week before we did (He also was a pastor), and he asked me to give my word and not share it with anyone and I will keep my word, but they too have seen that NTCC really does not love or care about their preachers. When it comes out that this couple has left, it will really get others to think about what is going on, because all old timers know that this couple loves God, and something had to be really wrong for them to leave. NTCC will try to control the damage and it may be months before it comes out, but there will be a lot of damage from their departure.
The new converts that are in NTCC from the last 5 years may not see what we have seen. This blog and others like it has caused many rules to change in NTCC. The fact that so many are leaving will make life easier for those that are new.
Bro. Bellamy
"They tell us, and I use to say the same thing, why not just move on, but that would be easy if it were not for the fact that we loved/still love them, and gave so much of ourselves to them."
ReplyDeleteThat's the crux. It's hard to take when the ones you love even above your own natural family turn out to be fake. Year after year we esteemed them, and no sacrifice was too great to make for their agenda. But when you begin to sense things aren't quite right, instead of discharging their responsibility by helping and comforting you, they kick you to the curb and do their best to destroy your reputation. Usually by the time folks do leave, all their longsuffering has been used up by years of ill treatment, so it is not only understandable, but emotionally necessary for them to express all the pent up frustrations they've swallowed down year after year. It's therapeutic, and also serves to help others avoid the same trap.
Off the Subject:
ReplyDeleteObama Health Care Plan-Community Living-Assist. and Support. Ran by and enforced by the "UNION".... Check it out.... then you will see why some are Company Men and not Union supports.
I am out of here....
Bro. Belamy,
ReplyDeleteWe share many of your feelings and we know that you can't go wrong having an attitude of forgiveness towards those who have done you wrong. You are right in all you say; and we are truly happy for you.
Some of us are fighting a war. When you put a little distance between yourself and the ntcc, you become aware of the damage caused to yourself, those you love and those you once called your brethren. The minister that took your place is a good example. He is perhaps doing things with good intentions in innocence and love for God.
Many of us did the same for years. Part of our problem is that there was nobody willing to stand and tell us the truth. The mentality that people have have to "take the high road" and to "keep your mouth shut and pray", is a cult tactic that keeps people in their place and perpetuates the myth that everything is fine in the ntcc; when it is not. If we were to question anything in ntcc, we were blasted and in some cases publicly humiliated. This mentality of silent subjection was instilled in our minds and is a tactic used by cult leaders to place fear in the hearts of their subjects. When a person leaves a cult this fear goes with them.
Ange and I have chosen to fight what we consider to be a good fight. We have decided that calling a spade a spade and facing many of the issues that Xers have with the ntcc head on, is necessary so that people can see what they are a part of. Perhaps sometimes our approach is bold or controversial; but we also have chosen to live our lives as Christians; and we believe that without Christ we are nothing.
When honesty prevails and truth is made known, freedom comes along with it. We enjoy the freedom and we hope others can too. I'm saying all of this, not to disagree with anything you said or to diminish the meaning of anything you have shared. We are grateful that God has helped another family find their way out of the ntcc.
We share this to give you an insight into what we and many Xers feel God is leading us to do. The ntcc would have you to believe that when we leave their group and participate in these blogs, we are living in sin, drinking, fornicating and carousing; but this can not be further from the truth.
If you read our story or know anything about what we have been through, you will find a pattern of blatant abuse in ntcc. We have not been reserved about sharing the details with names included; because we feel it is important for our story to have credibility. We have been told that in doing this we are ruining peoples lives and destroying their testimonies. We think that the truth must be shared and that the ntcc has brushed too much of it under the carpet throughout the years.
We also feel that it was our innocence and willingness to please God that was perverted and used for monetary gain. I was a company man. I loved every pastor that I was under. I gave more abundantly of my time and dedication and money to what I thought was God's work.
We are glad that you have shared your reasons for leaving with the man that replaced you and with us on this blog. Your words are powerful and there are many who read this blog that your testimony will have a lasting positive effect on. Thank you.
Don and Ange
As far as forgiveness, and putting the past behind you. When NTCC says that, what they REALLY mean is they want you to forgive, and after that don't go on places like Factnet, or many of the other Blog-sites that there are that oppose NTCC and talk about your past experiences with them. While it wasn't expressly said in my meeting with MCK and his "Wife" it was as much as implied. It's like "Don't talk about us, or your experiences, and please don't make any waves, and we won't say anything about you" type thing.
ReplyDeleteBeing spiritually betrayed, to many people is the equivalent to being molested in the sense that the exploitation comes from someone who is quite generally a trusted figure in the victim's life. After the person is exploited/violated they are usually discarded like a piece of trash. Some people just quietly want to move on with their life and not talk about what happened while others want to shout it from the rooftops and sound the alarm. I resent it when someone tells me that just because I am willing to talk about my experience with NTCC that I am somehow harboring an unforgiving spirit, as well as resentment. If NTCC were really concerned about me, as well as others out here this would have been settled long ago. The only thing NTCC cares about is their image to the general public, and their cash flow and the fact that their money cow seems to be faltering. But they needn't worry. There is plenty of money for the royalty. What people like Olson, as well as Johnson and others fail to realize is the fact that if you are not FAMILY then you are EXPENDABLE. Plan and simple.
Thanks Anonymous for all of the links to the Arizona real estate purchases. We might do a new thread on this. I know the ntcc flips a lot of churches, but I wonder how many houses they have flipped over the years. When you "flip" real estate it is always done with the intentions of turning a profit. When you do it as a non-profit organization, it has to be a crime.
ReplyDeleteThe 39 acre land deal might just be a prelude to deeper corruption in the ntcc. It seems that most bank robbers can not stop at just one bank. It becomes an adrenaline rush and they keep pulling off new jobs until they get caught. Robbing from people under the guise of Christianity has sheltered the ntcc from any scrutiny. Their crimes are brilliant in that their victims are fearful of saying anything against the ntcc or it's leaders.
The ntcc has this lasting effect on people that if they speak out against the ntcc, they will pay the eternal price. Even after they leave, x-ntcc'rs are afraid to do anything or say anything. The ntcc has executed their plans well and carried out their schemes perfectly.
When you take cows to a slaughter house they are herded into a single file line, where they willingly walk into a device that bludgeons their heads and kills them instantly. They see this happening to the cow's in front of them, yet they keep walking until it is their turn. "It won't happen to me, I'm a Company Cow"!
We all were led like sheeple to the slaughter. We were not killed in the same manner but our spirits were trodden down and we were worn down until it seemed like there was no hope. The sad thing about it is that all of this was done so that a few "chosen" nepotists and narcissists could be made rich.
Don and Ange
Bellamy said..."There is a couple who left NTCC a week before we did (He also was a pastor), and he asked me to give my word and not share it with anyone and I will keep my word, but they too have seen that NTCC really does not love or care about their preachers."
ReplyDeleteI'm sure that many others were surprised that the Reed's left and nothing was mentioned about them directly over the pulpit. They ignore people that leave, will not visit them and do not try to reconcile or find out what has happened. They will talk about them behind closed doors and private messages. They pray for the worst to happen to them and shun them when the see them.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete"I'm sure that many others were surprised that the Reed's left and nothing was mentioned about them directly over the pulpit."
Even though not much was mentioned over the pulpit about the Reeds, it finally got around,and many of us that knew them, knew them better than we knew the NTCC leadership and admired their dedication to God. Believe me when I say that the Reeds leaving NTCC had a big impact, and many have left because of it. The couple that I am referring to will not be able to be ignored, trust me. Its not just your regular obscure preacher and his wife; at least not to old timers; they are good folks like the Reeds. It may take a few months, but information always travels thats how I learned about this blog in the first place. The more secrecy there is the more curious people become. Its human nature.
I don't believe it will cripple NTCC, but it will have a big impact.
Bro. Bellamy
"When NTCC says that, what they REALLY mean is they want you to forgive, and after that don't go on places like Factnet"
ReplyDeletentcc demands forgiveness yet do not extend the same mercy to others. Perceived sins are magnified.when the truth comes no apology is offered.preaching lies about people behind the pulpit sanctioned by members who are glad eyes are off them.
Don - You also need to know about the property on 8027 North 59th Ave, Glendale, AZ 85302 and Google has a street view that you can do. Bing shows a pool in the back and it has a big parking area that is probably big enough for an RV. This is the one that Greg has linked from his site and it is in RWD's name, so this is a different one than the one mentioned before - 2 houses in Phoenix (?) because NTCC historically doesn't buy parsonages unless they're on the property of the church or it's for a Servicemen's Home. Parcel/APN # 148-15-007 is for this one and 101-30-333 is for the one on Superior Avenue.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.maricopa.gov/Assessor/ParcelApplication/Detail.aspx?ID=148-15-007-A
This is the one that has the Beneficiary Deed assigned to it for GK. The sales history information has 101-30-333 being bought from a company that got it at a foreclosure auction. This one (148-15-007) was bought Oct 20, 2010 for $350,000 which seems to be at a premium for the Glendale/Phoenix area.
http://www.redfin.com/AZ/Glendale/8027-N-59th-Ave-85302/home/27643424
http://156.42.40.50/UnOfficialDocs/pdf/20100917746.pdf
(Warranty Deed on 10/15/2010 - Granted from Alex & Betty Nunez to Rodger Wilson Davis and Verna Mae Davis - notary public JR DiFrancesco)
http://156.42.40.50/UnOfficialDocs/pdf/20110016659.pdf
(Beneficiary Deed - Goes to GK if both die)
Don - Take a virtual tour -
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*NTCC-ERS* - Bellamy speaks the truth. The couple that have left are known by everyone in the NTCC. They have been around for years and when the split with Denis happened, were one of the strongest pastors against it. It's hard to say anything more without giving away who it is. In the past he had tried to emulate RWD but by the grace of God, he loved the people he was given even more. He is not a board member (though it would be great if someone like Ashmore or Jones left) but he has been a leader for years. Never one to steal the limelight or needing to have a parade, he has just sat back quietly each conference watching the attitudes of those in the pulpit and around him. May God grant him and his family peace during this transition and abundant blessings.
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ReplyDeleteI don't believe it will cripple NTCC, but it will have a big impact.
Jeff said...
One by one is all it takes for people to gradually get their life back and the joy of their salvation. The NTCC is pretty good at stealing that while placing a lot of unnecessary burdens on everyone.
Jeff
Edward said...
ReplyDeleteI really was trying not to make many comments on this blog. My desire was just to chalk this up as a learning experience and move on, but after being dedicated to a church for 20 years I see how difficult that is.
Jeff said....
I had decided to do the same about two months before I left the NTCC. I'd figured that I should just move on, go on with my life and just let the NTCC be. Well read this and think about it very carefully.
If you knew that a burglar was going to break into you neighbors house wouldn't you warn them. Would you care enough or would you say, that doesn't concern me so I'll just move on and forget about it? I would hope that is not what you'd think. Well the NTCC is worse than 100 burglars. People are dedicating 10, 20, 30 and even 40 years of their life to the org just to realize that they've wasted a whole lot of time, money, and effort, and they can't ever get it back. I'd rather have 10 burglars break into my house then find myself at nearly the age of 40 or 50 or 60 with no hope of retirement EVER because all I did for years was serve RWD who could care less about me.
If the NTCC shut all their doors today and didn't come back under a new name I'd stop blogging this minute but that is not the case. I'm only one dude but the NTCC has an army of soul snatchers who try and recruit 1000s and 1000s of people each day. So if this blog influences one person to leave the New Testament Christian Church or one more person to stay away from the NTCC in the first place, then the 1000s of hours I've invested was all worth it.
I spun my wheels in the NTCC for many years and I often wish someone would have warned me by telling me what guys like RWD and Kekel were really all about. I might have saved a lot of time and money. Well I'm one guy and I can use all the help that I can get around here.
This has nothing to do with bitterness or not being able to forgive someone. If you told your neighbor about the burglar, did that mean you were bitter toward the crook or couldn't forgive him? Bitterness and not being able to forgive wouldn't have anything to do with it and it has nothing to do with why we created this blog. It was created to warn people and get the real story out about the NTCC because the NTCC leadership certainly isn't going to do it. They keep everything secretive which is why it took so many of us so long to figure out what the NTCC was really all about.
It's a numbers game with the NTCC and you are nothing more then a number who they really could care less about one way or the other. They will write you of like a totaled out automobile or an old wore out pair of shoes. You mean nothing to them. You are just a tithe check. No more, no less. RWD said it himself clearly for all to hear at conference. He looks at two things, and those two things are all that matter to him. MONEY AND NUMBERS. It's not personal, it's business. There is no "PERSONAL" attachment toward the people in HIS church. Money and numbers. When he knows that he is not going to get anymore of your money and you won't bring in more numbers, then he and his leadership could care less if you stay or go. You are not family to him so therefor you mean nothing. This family of God business is a big bunch of crap where RWD is concerned. He cares about the Kekels and everyone else is expendable.
Jeff
Bro Bellamy said:
ReplyDelete"NTCC has heaped upon God's people their laws and grace and mercy are in its shadow; taste not, touch not and handle not."
Right on Brother! It has been absolutely amazing to watch your posts from teetering on leaving to actually doing it.I don't think I have ever met you but, I can tell there s such freedom in everything that you have written since you have left. God Bless you and your wife as you go forward in God and in life!
And Likewise the Reeds leaving has had a huge impact on mine and my husbands life. We are getting ready to jump ship... well, I already have in my heart... .just waiting for the hubby to do it officially.Thanks to Jeff for hosting this blog and for all of you exers who share your testimonies, If you ever feel discouraged or think "maybe I shouldn't post anything" remember that there are people who do see things wrong in NTCC and it helps to come on here and have the things that you see brought to light and confirmed. Thanks all... Look forward to joining you all on the other side of the NTCC wall someday soon;)
LC
LC Said:
ReplyDelete"If you ever feel discouraged or think "maybe I shouldn't post anything" remember that there are people who do see things wrong in NTCC and it helps to come on here and have the things that you see brought to light and confirmed."
Don and Ange said:
It was very encouraging to read your post. We are happy for you and know you will find so much more peace when you get rid of the ntcc chains. It's amazing what God is doing and when we see folks like you post it makes it all worthwhile.
Many people think what we do is out of bitterness or revenge, but as Jeff stated so well the main thrust of what we are trying to accomplish is to warn people about the ntcc so they do not have to endure what many of us have for so many years.
Sometimes we blog away and we get a whole barrage of comments telling us we are just bitter and we need to get on with our lives and let God take care of them. You can't go wrong by telling the truth. The truth needs to be heard and we feel like God has put it in our hearts to include our voice among many others so the truth can be confirmed and in the mouth of many witnesses.
What we are hearing and seeing is wonderful. Your words of encouragement make what we do worth it all.
Don and Ange
LC - When your husband makes his choice "official" to the leadership in NTCC, make sure that you "stand by your man". Things may start to happen very quickly. I'm sure Olson will have his phone converstations, overseer(s) may come and visit, and other ministers may come by to dissuade both of you from making one of the most liberating choices you will ever make. Encourage him when he is fearful, especially after these times, so that he can move forward. Do not allow them or their wives to drive a wedge between you and him.
ReplyDeleteSounds like "There's a whole lotta shakin' goin' on..."
ReplyDeleteLC wrote...
ReplyDeleteThanks to Jeff for hosting this blog and for all of you exers who share your testimonies
Jeff says...
That means a lot to me. I honestly don't remember an NTCC leader thanking me for all my dedication and sacrifice. You just motivated me. Even an old dog can use some motivation every now and then. Thanks again and I hope everything works out for you and your family. I suspect it will.
Jeff Collins
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteDo not allow them or their wives to drive a wedge between you and him.
Jeff said...
That may be the best advise I've read to date on this blog. The NTCC leadership has history of trying to break up marriages and drive wedges between husbands and wives. Absolutely great advise anonymous.
Jeff
Jeff - Thanks for having the courage to start this blog and the dedication to continue it inspite of the threats and un-Christlike behavior of many within NTCC. No doubt you and your wife had to wrestle with fears and wondered how you could move on. Once you did it was the best decision of you and your family's lives. Who would of thought that the internet that they preached against would be the very tool used to tell the truth about their corrupt organization?
ReplyDeleteJeff said:
ReplyDeleteThe NTCC leadership has history of trying to break up marriages and drive wedges between husbands and wives.
Don and Ange said:
That's the truth. There are many examples of this on Factnet and the blogs. We know of a particular instance where this was attempted blatantly and was unsuccessful because the man and his wife were very resolved, loved each other very much and wouldn't allow the devil to split them up.
You can expect the worse from this bunch. If they see one spouse is weak, you can expect them to attempt to get that person to stay by using fear. They will persuade a person to live in adultery, forsaking their present marriage. They will absolutely try to get both spouses to leave the other. This has happened and will continue to happen. Please beware and be careful. Expect the worse and maybe the best will happen and they won't even bat an eyelash, saying "let them go" and you can leave in peace and live in peace.
Sometimes it's not a bad idea to burn the bridge behind you so they can't even have a chance to chase after you and destroy your marriage. Don't leave a forwarding address or phone number. Some people have left with ease and none of this has been an issue. But we leave you with this admonition not because we expect the worse but because we have seen it happen way too many times. There are probably hundreds of recycled remarried individuals that were encouraged to forsake their former wives and husbands in the ntcc.
The story is always told differently on the inside. The woman was rebellious and left, or the man was defiant and left. In so many instances, there was interference and persuasion from the ntcc leadership.
Our marriage was destroyed before it was allowed to happen.
Don and Ange
Anon said, I'm sure Olson will have his phone converstations, overseer(s) may come and visit, and other ministers may come by to dissuade both of you from making one of the most liberating choices you will ever make.
ReplyDeleteIf ntcc thinks one or the other could be persuaded to stay, we know they will do their best to work on a husband or wife to depart from the other. That's their way,has been for years. No matter what is said, from the pulpit or personally, it doesn't change what people have experienced while in ntcc and ultimately lead them to the decision to leave. God is not a taskmaster.
LD
Don and Ange said...
ReplyDeleteWe know of a particular instance where this was attempted blatantly and was unsuccessful because the man and his wife were very resolved
Jeff said...
They tried to get between the Shunks and the Reeds and countless others. With many they succeeded.
Jeff
It would be awesome if Butler could tell all about the inner workings of the Beast. I bet he knows all about the paper trails and rabbit holes in NTCC...
ReplyDeleteThanks to Jeff for hosting this blog and for all of you exers who share your testimonies, If you ever feel discouraged or think "maybe I shouldn't post anything" remember that there are people who do see things wrong in NTCC and it helps to come on here and have the things that you see brought to light and confirmed. Thanks all... Look forward to joining you all on the other side of the NTCC wall someday soon;
ReplyDeleteFrom LC
this brought tears to my eyes. I know I have stepped back from posting on the blogs as much as I used to. Not as strong as some when it comes to being attacked by those still in ntcc! I have been called a Agent of Facebook. Like I am the Devil. It is encouraging to know that our time spent sharing our true experiences while in the cult is helping others leave. Helping to lift that fog that I am doing Gods will,this is where God wants me. Once that is lift and you start to really take a close look at your life in ntcc. It will soon lose it charm and you will jump ship. Why I always use the term I am tossing out a life preserver to those still in. IF and only IF they ask me why I left then I tell them.
It will not happen overnight. But more folks are letting it all sink in. Letting Gods voice get through! I know I knew as soon as we got to Washington that something was not right. But I overrode it and thought this is where God wanted me. Very thankful that more folks are leaving. You will now be able to live how God intended you to live!!!
April
April said, "I have been called a Agent of Facebook. Like I am the Devil."
ReplyDeleteDon't worry. Who cares what krazy kekel has to say? He's never gone and pioneered a work. His church is failing. He has hundreds of ministers and bible school students there who do all the work for him and he still "can't put it together"
kekel's never had to go start from scratch with nothing, no money, no job, no contacts, or an 'oil-puker' and try to work full time, support a family, pay apartment rent, church rent, car payments, groceries, tithes, offerings, gas to pick up contacts, etc. etc. etc.
kekel had a mega-church handed to him on a silver platter, he married the founder's daugher and lives life with a silver spoon in his mouth, and he is still the biggest failure who has, and we quote his daddy-in-law rodger wilson davis here, "run more people off".
The only opinion that truly matters here is Christs. He loved you so much He died in your place. That means Jesus thinks you are worth dying for! He will handle those who try to belittle and attack you just because you share how they treated you.
Don and Ange
Thanks for your encouragement. The first conversation we had about leaving was about our marriage. My husband told me he meant what he said at the alter and I come before them. We are committed to each other and it would be nothing but confirmation in a decision to leave if they tried to persuade us otherwise.
ReplyDeleteIt breaks my heart that they have broken marriages and tried to break marriages.... That is not of God period end of sentence.
Thanks all,
LC
Though many of the comments have valid points, I can tell many of you are hurting and angry. Those who have done you wrong must answer to God for their actions. Yet, if you allow a root of bitterness to grow you too must answer to God.
ReplyDeleteLet all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: Ephesians 4:31
The Bible doesn't say forgiveness is easy, but it is necessary. That is not to say that you shouldn't ignore the facts or stop warning others, but ask God to help you let go of bitterness. I am praying for you and I ask that you pray for me too.
Marie-Anne
Marie Anne said:
ReplyDelete"Yet, if you allow a root of bitterness to grow you too must answer to God."
Don and Ange said:
Can you define bitterness? The Bible says be angry and sin not. Was Jesus Bitter when He drove the crooks and thieves out of the temple? Was King David bitter? Was Paul bitter?
We share our life experiences on these blogs for a couple reasons. Above everything we share to help others see what is happening inside the ntcc. They are brain washed into thinking everything is alright. What would Jesus do? Would he be considered bitter if He rebuked the hypocrites in the ntcc? If Jesus called them Vipers in His day, what would He call them today? Is there not a cause?
I would ask of you to give us examples of specific issues that you think we are bitter about. And when you bring these issues to our attention, also share what you have done to help resolve them. Where there is no vision the people parish. Our vision is that people will learn to serve God freely without being manipulated by controlling groups like the ntcc.
Don and Ange
Marie-Anne said:
ReplyDelete"The Bible doesn't say forgiveness is easy, but it is necessary."
Don and Ange said:
Where in the bible does it say that? Are we to forgive the devil? The ntcc wants us to forgive and forget so they will not have to answer any more tough questions.
We do what we do because it is working. People are discovering freedom and leaving the ntcc at an alarming rate. If you have found a better and more effective way of helping people realize they are in a cult, please share your secrets and if they work we will incorporate them into our strategy.
When people leave the ntcc, there is a process that takes a lot of time that leads to recovery. Full recovery may never be achieved but some of us will not heal and get on with life until we help every soul we can help.
When people first leave the ntcc they have difficulty sorting out that which is true and of God. They cleave to many of the false teachings and so many try to defend their former abusive leaders and their doctrine. When you've had some time to process the transition you begin to realize that the ntcc is pure evil. Though there are many inside with good intentions that are going along with things out of fear, there are also Leaders pulling their strings to control the cash flow. They are being used like a woman's menstrual cloth and when these evil leaders are done using people up they discard them like rotted trash and look for another victim so they can start the whole cycle over. It's completely sickening and we have nothing but righteous indignation for the leaders that sit back and allow this to happen.
I know there are board members looking at this blog. How long will you allow this destructive pattern to continue? You know it's wrong and you know that everything you once stood for is gone from the ntcc. If one of you would get a back bone and stand up to the ntcc, you could make a huge difference. It's a dirty job and you let those that are less esteemed suffer the reproach, while people that you once loved are abused before your very eyes. You have lost all credibility because you have forsaken the true Christians that are taking a stand against the compromise and double standards. You will watch as people like the Reeds and the Bellamys are slandered for standing in the place that you should have stood. As long as the money keeps flowing we'll continue our "bitter" approach to calling a spade a spade.
Don and Ange
The only opinion that truly matters here is Christs. He loved you so much He died in your place. That means Jesus thinks you are worth dying for! He will handle those who try to belittle and attack you just because you share how they treated you.
ReplyDeleteDon and Ange said...
ReplyDelete"You will watch as people like the Reeds and the Bellamys are slandered for standing in the place that you should have stood."
I haven't heard of anyone saying anything about me. I am not saying that it is not happening, but I think I am too small a fish for anyone to be concerned with. Most people do not know who I am, because I spent 2004-2008 in Germany; only the old timers know me.
But I guess it is possible because those that do know me, know me to be very sincere; sometime too sincere.
Bro. Bellamy
Edward said:
ReplyDelete"I am not saying that it is not happening, but I think I am too small a fish for anyone to be concerned with."
Don and Ange said:
Not in God's eyes and not in the eyes of those that read this blog. This blog is read by more people than the ntcc's blog. You have had a profound impact on the ntcc and on the former members. You came out in honesty and sincerity and gave sound reasons for your departure. What you did was huge. You might believe that what you did was insignificant but it speaks volumes.
I will step out on a limb and say that the ntcc has probably made up lies about why you left. None of us have heard any of these lies and we probably wont until the right people get out but this is the m.o. of the ntcc. They have to discredit you before they can get others to believe them. This might be hard for you to believe but what they have done in the past has been to accuse people falsely when they leave.
There have been people accused of internet pornography that didn't even have an internet connection. We are not making this stuff up. Others can also confirm that many have been lied about. The Shunks didn't leave the ntcc for sin and the kekel blog degraded them using deceit openly and publicly. The Reed's departure, your honesty while still in, followed by the Rendla resignations have set precedents each individually. You have all gone public right away with your testimonies. The ntcc is falling apart at the seams and while this might seem terrifying to some, it is the best thing that could happen to those that are being used and abused.
Don and Ange
I believe the difference is that I already admitted that I was fighting a battle and God's deliverance is what made me see NTCC for what it is. I went to them with my sin and after they found out that I couldn't come back to Washington told me that in the end I would have to fix my own problem. There was no encouragement, no direction, no love. That frightened me and I asked God what do I do now, and he dealt with me just to depend on his grace and mercy, and after that I have had the victory ever since. Part of what caused me to resort to the sin was being depressed; thinking I was a failure even though I was giving my all and it still wasn't good enough. I needed a way to escape reality and that was my way. But now I realize that I am not a failure and God's grace is why I am saved and I do not have to work to prove my salvation.
ReplyDeleteIf they decide to reveal what my battle actually was then that is fine, because I can explain to all that God's deliverance showed me what NTCC is all about, and with the victory came freedom. I can also reveal what was spoken between me and them. Which I have not done on this blog or to anyone else. My comments on this blog have been very measured. I only deal with certain issues, but there are many issues that I could deal with and show facts. Most people do not know this but I worked on the building crew and also was the night watchmen. I am not trying to do damage to them, but get them to wake up to the fact that they do not show love and God's grace has been forgotten. That was why I had plan to stay with NTCC, but after my conversation with them, I realized that, that would not be the case and decided to leave.
I may have given too much info, but as I said I am a sincere person.
Bro. Bellamy
as davis said
ReplyDeletehe never seen a hypocrite get saved
so, hoping the ntcc honchos wake up one day, probably will not happen unless God intervenes somehow.
they have been operating their real estate company for some time now and are used to their profits and have justified them as right i suppose.
i don't even know if they'd wake up if everyone stopped attending ntcc... then there wouldn't be any money coming in. they may or may not have other income streams though so it wouldn't phase them.
hey ed, lost your phone number.
ReplyDeleteemail me again
thanks
realc4ever@gmail.com
doug
Bro. Bellamy said:
ReplyDelete"There was no encouragement, no direction, no love. That frightened me and I asked God what do I do now, and he dealt with me just to depend on his grace and mercy, and after that I have had the victory ever since."
Don and Ange said:
I'm so glad we serve a merciful and loving God. That feeling of dread and fear is something I experienced in the ntcc. I was held captive because even though God forgave me, there seemed like nothing I could do to obtain favor from the leadership of ntcc. I know exactly how you felt and I'm sure many others do also. None of us were perfect and neither were they. Knowing your most intimate secrets was power that they held over many of us.
I began to blog almost a year ago and I was content to leave my own past off of the blogs. Rwd was the only person in the ntcc that I told about what happened at Ft. Bragg 26 years ago. I told Rwd in confidence the details of what had happened and 26 years later details started leaking on the blogs that only Rwd was supposed to be aware of. I knew this was a risk when I started blogging and because someone wanted to discredit me I threw the whole thing out there for everyone to know. I did this because I don't care what people think but rather what God thinks. You can't go wrong telling the truth.
One thing I learned in the ntcc is to have thick skin. Our story has touched other lives and while many can't understand what happened, there are those that are true friends and brothers/sisters that have encouraged me. I love God now and the past is the past. I'm living proof that God can save the most vile and sinful people.
Believe me Bro. when I say that we have earned our right to speak our mind. Now we have dedicated our lives to this cause. Many say we take a very critical approach and we are quite abrasive toward the ntcc. We have earned the right of passage in the Xer community to speak our mind without soft pedaling things. Many expect us to tone things down but they don't hold ntcc to the same standards.
All of this we share because we have experienced God's mercy. If we can help others to realize the horrifying truth that the ntcc is a harmful organization that willfully and knowingly destroys individuals, families and marriages for the purpose of money and power, we might save others from years of heartache and suffering.
Don and Ange
"I told Rwd in confidence the details of what had happened..."
ReplyDeleteRW never could keep his mouth shut about other peoples' business. He constantly used details from personal counseling sessions as class illustrations. At one point, he told us right upfront not to try to divulge anything in confidence to him, because he wouldn't receive anything in confidence.
No legitimate pastor refuses to respect his members' privacy.
If you remember those "This is I" papers and how psychologically manipulating they were, they could definitely be used against you. So let's write a paper that exposes our deepest darkest secret, our past, our fears, our doubts, and give it to a man that is a narcissist and see how he uses it. Oh, he burned them in a fireplace or shredded them you say. Yeah right...Good strategy NTCCers!
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