Well you'll never believe what happened next... The Lord answered.
He said, "BROTHER JEFF, YOU ENTERTAIN EVIL THOUGHTS CONCERNING MY SERVANTS THE KEKELS". "THEY HAVE BEEN FAITHFUL IN ALL AND AS A RESULT, I HAVE BLESSED THEM BEYOND MEASURE, WHEREAS THEIR FELLOW BRETHREN HAVE BEEN UNFAITHFUL AND AS A RESULT, I CAN NOT BLESS THEM." "I THE LORD HAVE MADE PROVISIONS FOR THEIR SON GRANT TO ATTEND A JESUIT (CATHOLIC) COLLEGE BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN FAITHFUL IN ALL AND I HAVE BLESSED HIM." "YOU HAVE WRONGFULLY SUPPOSED THAT THE GREAT MONETARY BLESSINGS WHICH HAVE BEEN SO ABUNDANTLY BESTOWED UPON THE KEKELS ARE THE DIRECT RESULT OF THEM BEING THE DAUGHTER, SON IN LAW, AND GRANDSON OF R.W. DAVIS, AND NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH BROTHER JEFF". "IT IS BECAUSE THE KEKELS HAVE BEEN WISER THAN THEIR FELLOW BRETHREN AND SHREWD CONCERNING THEIR INVESTMENTS AND I HAVE MULTIPLIED THEIR SUBSTANCE AND I THE LORD HAVE GIVEN THEM GREAT INCREASE"!!!
"ONLY CROOKS AND CON ARTISTS RECEIVE GREAT MONETARY INCREASE THROUGH DECEITFULNESS AND CROOKERY BUT WITH MY SERVANTS THE KEKELS, IT IS NOT SO." "THEY HAVE BEEN HONEST AND TRUSTWORTHY FAR ABOVE THAT OF THEIR FELLOW BRETHREN AND AS A RESULT, I'VE TAKEN AT LEAST 10% FROM THEIR FELLOW BRETHREN AND TURNED IT INTO INCREASE FOR MY FAITHFUL SERVANTS THE KEKELS". "AND BLESSED THEY SHALL BE FAR ABOVE THAT OF ALL THEIR FELLOW BRETHREN AND THESE ABUNDANT BLESSINGs HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM BEING HEIRS TO THE GREAT PROPHET R.W. DAVIS AS YOU'VE SUPPOSED". "HENCE YOU SHOULD PUBLISH THIS FOR ALL TO SEE AS I'VE SEEN FIT TO ELEVATE MY SERVANTS THE KEKELS FAR ABOUT THAT OF THEIR BRETHREN".
"THEREFOR YOU SHALL LOUDLY PROCLAIM THAT EACH AND EVERYONE WHO NAMETH THE NAME OF THE NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIAN CHURCHES OF AMERICA INCORPORATED AS THEIR FELLOWSHIP SHALL IN NO WISE EVER STOP GIVING AT LEAST 10% OF ALL THEIR INCOME SO THAT I CAN USE THAT MONEY TO BLESS MY FAITHFUL SERVANTS THE KEKELS". "MY FAITHFUL SERVANTS THE KEKELS SHALT HAVE LANDS, AND NICE AUTOMOBILES, AND GREAT AND LOFTY HOUSES, AND RICHES BEYOND MEASURE, AND YE SHALT GIVE JOYFULLY UNTO THE NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIAN CHURCH AS UNTO ME AND THE KEKELS SHALT BE BLESSED AND IT SHALL HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM BEING KIN TO THE GREAT R.W. DAVIS".
"I HAVE BLESSED YOU BROTHER JEFF AND I'VE BLESSED BROTHER VICTOR AND I'VE BLESSED BROTHER DON AND SISTER ANGE AND I'VE BLESSED GREGORY THE WISE ONE, WHEREAS I SHOULD HAVE CURSED YOU ALL BUT I DIDN'T BECAUSE YOU ALL IGNORANTLY SLANDERED THE NAMES OF MY WONDERFUL SERVANTS THE KEKELS". "NO ONE IN THE NTCC WILL EVER BE BLESSED AS MUCH AS THE KEKELS BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN FAITHFUL IN ALL AND MANY OF THEIR FELLOW BROTHERS AND SISTERS SHALT BE CURSED BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN SLOTHFUL. MY SERVANTS THE KEKELS HAVE OPENLY SPOKEN OF THEIR SLOTHFULNESS AND HAVE RIGHTFULLY SUPPOSED".
"YOU BROTHER JEFF HAVE CONTINUED TO BE BLESSED BECAUSE YOU'VE NOT BEEN SLOTHFUL AND I HAVE BLESSED YOU BEYOND MEASURE". "YOU AND ONLY YOU, BROTHER JEFF CAN BE BLESSED BEYOND MEASURE EVEN THOUGH THOU DON'T GIVEST 10% OF ALL THINE INCREASE TO THE NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIAN CHURCHES OF AMERICA INCORPORATED BECAUSE YOU'VE FAILED TO DO SO NOT WILLFULLY BUT IN IGNORANCE".
Does this sound overly bold, careless, and disrespectful that I should write such a statement? No where near as bold and careless as Mike Kekel openly proclaiming that his fellow brethren are broke and without money because they didn't incorporate his father in law's teachings into their daily money management habits. He also boldly proclaimed that he has money because he did follow and practice the teachings of his father in law. Well I say that's poppy cock. Kekel is rich for one reason and one reason only. Because he married Tanya and they've kept him at Graham where he has leeched off the entire organization for decades. You are an idiot if you give your money to the NTCC. You are a straight dummy if you believe that God can bless the Kekels but God can't bless you. Well God sure is blessing me and I'm not even in the stinkin NTCC and I wouldn't give them one more dime of my money.
ROFLMGO ILaughing my guts out) You are right Jeff. As rediculous as that sounded, the Kekels are much worse. They aren't being blessed because they are so spiritually diligent. They are being blessed because they conned a bunch of suckers into giving 10%. You have to be a complete and total idiot if you live in the Bonco and see the filthy riches of Kekel and Davis every day and believe it's because they are being blessed by Gawd. Such were some of us but thank God brother Jeff that God hath opened our eyes and allowed us to partaketh of financial blessings too. Our blessings floweth not from the same fountain as the Kekels, but our fountain runneth not through Graham either.
ReplyDeleteHow can a fountain bring forth sweet and bitter water? The same fountain that blesses Kekel and Davis doesn't seem to yield the same fruitful blessings throughout the rest of Goshen. In fact, the rest of the ntcc peasants with very few exceptions are living from paycheck to paycheck. I guess God didn't get the memo to open the windows of heaven on the rest of the struggling and poor ntcc members. I guess all of the other ntcc'rs are not living as holy and righteous as Davis and Kekel are.
ReplyDeleteHow can a fountain bring forth sweet and bitter water you ask?
ReplyDeleteEasy. When people like the Kekel's are faithful to GAWD, GAWD will bless them. When people like the vast majority of the rest of the NTCC are not faithful to the LAWD, the LAWD can't bless them. You all must know that by now. The LAWD blessed Denis and now he's rich also.
The answer is simple. Break away from your church and start your own like Davis, Denis and Barnes and you'll be rich and blessed also.
ReplyDeleteOf course I was just being funny about the break away from your church part. There is however a parallel. Barnes, Denis and Davis are all in control of their own church finances and they all have a continuous flow of money coming in for one reason and one reason only. Because they all broke away from their respective churches and started their own church and now they control the cash and that is what the break away was all about with all of them.
ReplyDeleteLet them all tell it, and they will all say they broke away because of compromise in the church they left. Isn't that Ironic and they all have loyal followers who are stupid enough to believe that is the real reason they all started their own church but the fact is, that had nothing to do with it. It had to do with control or the lack thereof when Denis, Davis and Barnes were all part of someone elses church. Now all three are in control of the people and in control of the money and you're stupid if you think they broke away for any other reason.
So do you want to be blessed with money? Davis, Denis and Barnes have all proved there is one way to move the hand of God so that he has no choice but to bless you. Claim that the church you are a part of is compromised, convince people in your congregation of the same, break away and bring as many of your congregates along with you as possible, make sure they are tithe payers and you'll be blessed with an endless flow of cash. If you don't believe that, you have no reason to follow Davis, Denis or Barnes because that sure was the method that they used.
If you ask me, I would say all three of them are money hungry and greedy because I have seen if for myself from all three. Davis says Denis is the devil, Barnes said Denis is the devil, Barnes left Davis, Denis says the NTCC is the devil which Barnes was a part of when Denis left. So they all say each other have compromised and they all point the finger at each other. And you want to go to a church like that?
ReplyDeleteChief
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteThis post sounds like the Book of Mormon.
Gregory
So does the NTCC. Where do you think I learned that stuff from. LOL.
ReplyDeleteI listened to plenty of tall tails while I was in the NTCC. Ironically, (just to name a few) I heard tall tails told by Davis, Denis and Barnes. Denis said the Lord personally spoke to him while he was at his wall locker during his military days, Davis said the Lord brought his daughter back life when she was born, (who we've now learned for certain was adopted at least according to the adoption papers), (which is not to say she wasn't Davis' real daughter anyway out of wedlock), and Barnes said the Lord basically came to him while he was riding in his car one evening and he said quote, (the presents of the Lord was really thick in his automobile).
ReplyDeleteWell isn't that ironic!!! They all broke away to start their own churches and neither one thinks the other is right with God. I wouldn't follow any of them to the toilet if I had the runs. In my book they are all a bunch of fakes.
And I'd like to know why Ashmore hasn't been healing folks who've recently been gravely ill with cancer? I've been staying away from this one but lets get real for a moment. Ashmore is good at having folks hold up their wallets in church while claiming that God will miraculously give them an increase of money, a few peoples headaches have gone away but what about folks will "REAL" illnesses like cancer one of which recently died and there was mention of him on Don and Anges blog? So where is Ashmore the great miracle worker throughout all this?
If I were a betting man I'd say he's in the same camp with Denis, Davis and Barnes. Tall Tails is what I'd call it. Phoney.
Yeah, the "apostle" used to spin us yarns about how God spoke to him audibly, and angels appeared to him a few times; the Devil also spoke to him, and he supposedly opened the ears of one born deaf. Of course all these events conveniently transpired years ago and far away, and there was no corroboration of any of it. But we lapped up RW's Big Lies like they were the gospel itself. He's a born con man and manipulator.
ReplyDeleteI'll tell you what else is ironic about the whole thing. The two guys that Davis bragged all about openly both deserted him. Barnes and Denis. They were two of RWD greatest trophies and look what happened. They both left old Rdubs organization and they took as many people with them as they could. Barnes took his entire church and Denis took as many churches as he could get. And I'm supposed to trust Davis' judgment? I'm supposed to believe that Davis is the guy to lead me to heaven?
ReplyDeleteOh but Pastor Davis is the "Man of GAWD". Phony Balogney. And I'll tell you whats even funnier. I also listened to Davis tell everyone in conference how great Kekel is. Sound familiar? That was the same conference that he said how great Barnes was. Do you want to know who not to trust? Whoever Davis says is great and who ever Davis puts in charge. Those are the exact folks you don't want to follow so where does that put Kekel? At the top of the list of people "NOT" to follow.
Ashmore? Not the one to follow. Wright? Are you kidding me? Definitely not the one to follow? One of the Jordan boys? Really? Really? Now you are really kidding me. I'd rather follow a flea on a dogs butt. How about Devonshire? I'd rather follow a gnat down Gesang's ear hold and that is one ugly dude. I could always go into business with Gesang and sell lizards for some extra cash. Didn't God call us to sell lizards?
Anon said "Oh but Pastor Davis is the "Man of GAWD". Phony Balogney"
ReplyDeleteDavis is nothing more than a "kook", a "kook" that happened to make a lot of money, but still a "kook". His organization is kooky, His so called leadership is kooky, everything about ntcc is nothing, but kooky. M C Kekel is the biggest kook of them all.
Anon said "Gesang's ear hold and that is one ugly dude. I could always go into business with Gesang and sell lizards for some extra cash. Didn't God call us to sell lizards?"
ReplyDeleteIt's fitting that Gesang got into the lizard biz, cause he looks like a lizard! C'monnnnn-now!
What about the time RWD saw that vision of Christians being martyred in the stdium in St. Louis? You know, the stadium that has since been torn down? Sounds like a false prophet to me. I would rather follow a dung beetle to a turd ball rolling contest in a cow pasture than to follow Davis anywhere.
ReplyDeleteDon, that is to funny! I almost choked on my coffee when reading that. It was good to see you again my friend. You guys take care.
ReplyDeletemdr
Hey, It was great seeing you and Debbie also. Glad I could brighten your morning a little. Oral Roberts saw a forty foot Jesus not too long ago. Davis is just as bad as all the con artists that made headlines for blurting out all of thier false visions and false prophesies. Hopefully we can get out west again sometime. Maybe next time we'll drop in for a church service and some basket ball at the Kekel mansion. Have they started playing bingo at church yet? It's only a matter of time. That would be a great fund raiser as opposed to selling spots on the basketball and volleyball court at 40 bucks a pop. Where are the real men of God when you need them to pray for the sick. I guess they are too busy entertaining themselves in their mansions. No disrespect intended, I just wish folks would use this as a wake up call.
ReplyDeleteTo clarify, I meant no disrespect to the sick. They were put in a position where they had to make ends meet. Our intention is not to kick someone when they are down but to bring awareness to how wrong things are. I do however wish to project all of the disrespect in the world to the con artists which created this environment that exists in the ntcc. You have the nerve to call yourselves holiness preachers while you thrive off of the money that should be used for providing for families. People hapily contibute to your excess as if they were giving to God Himself, while you spend their life insurance money on sports cars, Rolex watches and fancy gun collections. You have no shame and absolutely no conscience. You can gloss over it all at conference by transferring your own guilt to others but one day you are going to have to give an account for how you mistreated God's people.
ReplyDeleteRW also lauded Willie Gordon before he split the scene. We were all beaten down in conferences while he extolled WG as the example to follow and excoriated us for our comparative sloth.
ReplyDeleteAnd Gesang doesn't sell just any old lizards...he sells chameleons. You know, the kind that alter their outside appearances in order to camouflage themselves and deceive other creatures.
RWD has a history of telling how great people are not long before they leave his church FOR GOOD. Blumenthal, Taylor and the list goes on. Maybe RWD is right about all of them and leaving his church makes them great.
ReplyDeleteI heard the Gordon's oldest son was tragically killed in a fire at work. I consider this reliable information. If you knew or know them you may want to verify this and offer them condolences.
ReplyDeleteto anon. who posted info about gordon's son (not confirmed) death:
ReplyDeleteIt seems that you are attributing his death to gordon leaving the org. which to me is very unchristian like.
Death happens and thousands die everyday but it doesn't have to do with the fact that they leave an org. or not, specially ntcc.
I know that in the ntcc, people are dying left and right, even right now, ministers that have been faithful for years and years and are you gonna attribute these deaths to them not being faithful?
of course no! accidents happen and if you think otherwise then you are being superstitious.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteIt seems that you are attributing his death to gordon leaving the org. which to me is very unchristian like.
Chief said...
For what it's worth, I don't see how you draw that conclusion. I couldn't see where the poster ever made any mention or insinuation that the death (if there was one) was the result of judgment or had anything to do with Gordon leaving the org. The poster didn't even imply that in my opinion. Just my two cents.
Another NTCC "KOOK" posts' again!
ReplyDeleteCertainly not taking pot-shots at the grieving family by insinuating that their son's death had anything to do with them leaving ntcc. That is what Kekel would do. In fact, the purpose of the post was to let people know that the Gordons were facing hardship so they might not want to be harsh on them here. Jeff is correct that there was nothing in the post to imply anything negative. Sometimes a written message does not show the tone or heart. Or perhaps it is just an ntcc kook trying to stir up trouble and be mean (as usual). Ntcc nut jobs.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, does anybody know anything about bro. briggs condition or how he is doing with the chemo and all that? I know that he used to come here and be a good debater.
ReplyDeletejust letting everyone know that Brother Briggs passed away this morning if you didn't know already. Hospice had stepped in recently and he finally lost his battle this am.
ReplyDeleteThat is terrible. The whole situation is an extremely sad one. I feel so sorry for the wife and kids.
ReplyDeleteJeff
Sad about Robert. He was a former student of mine. Although I disagreed with him about a lot of things, he was refreshingly upfront and sincere for an NTCC apologist. He's not under anyone's thumb now.
ReplyDeleteWe hope. Who knows if he is any better off now. To suggest that he is would be pure speculation.
ReplyDeleteVic, I did however understand your point. I just don't know if being where he is at now is any better than being under someones thumb. Thoughts of the grave are simply not very cheerful. People say they are but in reality I don't think anyone is very eager to die. To many unknowns and I have little or no reason to believe that the ntcc helps out much in that respect.
ReplyDeleteWell, we can at least say he's not under RW's thumb anymore. I hear you, though; everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die...
ReplyDeleteCondolences to his wife, I hope he had insurance to take care of her and the hospital bills.
ReplyDeleteVic said...
ReplyDeleteI hear you, though; everybody wants to go to heaven, but nobody wants to die...
Jeff said...
Quite true Vic. The sad part Vic is I don't think the NTCCs system is too conducive to getting people to heaven. In Roberts case, hopefully I'm wrong.
Jeff
Robert Briggs confessed Christ to the end, far as I know. That's good enough for me not to act like an NTCC minister and question whether he was "genuinely" saved.
ReplyDeleteUltimately none of us know about another's relationship with the Lord, but I'm not really into the whole "fruit examiner" mentality. I was a Christian throughout 16 years of NTCC bondage, and I'm not going to doubt Robert's testimony without good reason (which I don't have). Wherever he is, RW isn't hassling him any more.
I understand Vic. I really do. I don't want to be a "fruit examiner" either however the NTCC is the most crooked organization that I've ever known so who knows who's going to heaven and who isn't. I'll take my chances outside the NTCC, I know that much. Overall, I do believe that Robert Briggs meant well.
ReplyDeleteAnd again, you are right. None of us, (without exception) know about another man's relationship with God.
On another note. Don and Ange started a good thread over on their blog in my opinion.
Jeff
Thanks for the complient on our blog post Jeff!
DeleteI don't mind inspecting some fruit. R.W. Davis fruit is rotten and so is Olson's and so is the Kekel's. Stinkin rotten.
ReplyDeleteFootball (trash talking) season is upon us. The team I hate the most, (Dallas), beat one of my favorite teams, (NY Giants), in the season opener last night. To all Dallas fans: Please don't get too comfortable with winning, because rest assured Dallas will find a way to disappoint you before the season is over.
ReplyDeleteMdr, best of luck to your Patriots this year whom I also like, however, If they have to play a team with a real QB this year, like the brother of the QB that beat your team in the Superbowl last year, they might have a disappointing season this year.
As for Tebow, He will most likely be starting for the New York Jets by game 4 or 5 this year if not sooner. Preseason is not always the best indicator of how things will go but the Jets were completely dismal and showed very little signs of life in preseason. Tebow, unlike Sanchez, has a knack for playing good enough to win in games that matter. Once the Jets loose a couple of games under Sanchez, the Jets fans will want somebodies head in a silver charger. The CYA factor will kick in and Old Rex will have no choice.
That's probably enough trash talkin to last the rest of the season but I doubt that this is the last you'll hear from me.
Don
LOL!
DeleteWell, some fruit is so rotten you can't help but notice. But Robert wsn't in that category.
ReplyDeleteUnderstood Vic.
ReplyDeleteI don't know Don. I suspect you are right about the Jets starting Tebow later on but it is yet to be seen whether or not he will be able to pull more rabbits out of his hat like he did last year. There is one thing for sure, time will tell. I'm still not a believer yet. Last year any hope of me being a believer was lost with that embarrassing loss to the Pats in the playoffs. By that time his luck and or luck combined with skill had run out. So we'll see. I am of course pulling for the Jets and clearly Tebow is a part of that team so I hope he does well. I'm interested to see how they fit him into the offensive scheme for the first 4 or 5 games.
ReplyDeleteAnd yes, the Giants started off with a loss and the fact is they didn't look that good. We'll see how they do. As is every year this will be an interesting NFL season. I'm pulling for Payton and your Broncos. My only problem with pulling for Payton is that RWD happens to be a Payton fan and I hate to see that crook get any satisfaction but I digress. Good luck on that one nevertheless.
Later Don and good luck this season. Oh and buy the way; if anyone has a problem with us writing about the NFL, TOUGH COOKIES and go pound sand. I might even start an NFL thread titled, "R.W. Davis likes Payton Manning. If he doesn't have it already, he should get a TV and actually watch Payton and stop being a double standard hypocrite".
Who are any of us to say where brother Briggs is now, I don't know the man and I never met him, but I pray for his family and that they make it through this very difficult time. Appreciate your family, you never know when you will lose someone close to you like that...
ReplyDeleteIf he is in heaven, it's not because of his loyalty to the ntcc, but it would have to be because God is a merciful God.
ReplyDeleteFamily is very important and although I've been deprived of a normal family when it should have happened 22 years ago, I am grateful for my wife and there is nothing on this earth that I care about more.
The souls of others are important but God has given me a wife and she has to take priority. Life insurance is a part of that commitment, and so is the time we spend together. In the ntcc relationships are marginalized and this is why so many in the borg think nothing of dumping their life long partners for a newer model.
DnA
I think a question that needs to be asked and answered is..."Where does an infidel go?"
ReplyDeleteGregory
Not sure but someone that doesn't provide for thier family is WORSE than an infedel. Can an infedel repent? I sure hope so. I would assume that there are not to many infidels in heaven if any. Maybe if they have repented of their infidelity. That would be a good question for RWD since he seems to have the most experience with infidelity.
ReplyDeleteIn response to Denis leaving...it was because of greed and it was not of God..we had to learn that the hard way.
ReplyDeleteI wish there wasn't all this anger about the college this kid went to. Grant has not done anything to any of us, and focusing so much on him really seems to take away from the message which is that this church is corrupt. Pointing out who played on what sports team and went to what college doesn't really seem to grasp the true concept of the corruption.
ReplyDeleteAs for the rest of the comments... carry on :D
And to add my two cents because I just saw someone question why Ashmore isn't out healing people... Ashmore never had the power to heal anyone. He never did anything worth anything. He can't even sing without getting pitchy. (yes, i know that was extremely petty lol)
No one's critical of Grant; it's not his fault he's the scion of a gang of hypocrites. The point is that if anyone else's kid played football in high school and went to a Catholic university, RW would have had one of those Vesuvius eruptions he was always boasting about. It's the blatant double standard that's outrageous.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteGrant has not done anything to any of us, and focusing so much on him really seems to take away from the message which is that this church is corrupt.
Chief said...
That's true, Grant hasn't done anything to any of us but his status clearly points to the corruption that exists within the NTCC. Little else could make the corruption more obvious. The son of no other parent who ever existed quote "faithfully" in the NTCC could have ever openly played high school football and attended a Jesuit/Catholic college without getting verbally slaughtered by the NTCC leadership.
If the knowledge of such occurrences was ever brought to the attention of RWD or L.D. Jones, you can best believe you would have heard about it hot and heavy from the pulpit and I'd bet my last dollar on that one. You would have heard it in conference and in fact I did. RWD stood up and proudly proclaimed that a "Christian Parent" was a failure if his son or daughter didn't attend the NTCS. So where in the world does that put Mike Kekel? Is he labeled as a "failure" amongst the NTCC leadership and if so, why is he still the big cheese? Because R.W. Davis is a fat mouth, blow hard hypocrite.
So, in response to your statement, Grant's past and current academic status points clearly to the blatant corruption existing within the NTCC. Only a blind person couldn't see that.