The picture to the left should be displayed outside the NTCC compound.
The following testimonies were posted on-line (as far as we can tell) by current or former NTCC members and more specifically, (in some cases) women. Kekel is something else. I don't understand why any NTCCers follow that creep.
Testimony #1: I cleaned M. Kekel's house before too. He hit me on the butt once. I went to Olson about it. M. Kekel claimed he bumped my butt accidently and nothing more was said. It bothered me but I thought I was in the wrong. This confirms I wasn't wrong. He hit my butt on purpose. I think he was testing to see what he could get away with before he tried more
Testimony #2: This is so sad. My wife told after we left NTCC that on a few occassions Michael Kekel's hand had slightly touched her butt when passing him. She was asked to clean his house but never did since he had made her nervous by the slight touching. She felt so guilty about it after leaving bible school. This might be why Michael never seemed to like me.
Testimony #3: We went before the board on something that was said over the pulpit and Kekel flat out denied it. I knew then that he will lie his way out of a situation.
Testimony #4: I was jealous of how much time Julie got to spend at Davis’ house, Ashmore’s house, and Kekel’s house. Now sadly I realize I had no reason to be jealous. I now am so angry that she was dragged to these homes.
Testimony #5: My wife is one of the ladies that cleaned for Tanya and some of the other ladies as well. She told me one day that M. Kekel was in the house and asked to speak with her alone. My wife knew she was to obey the Man of God but her gut just didn't set right. She finally stammered out sir I will gladly speak to you but I would like to wait until my husband is present. My other pastor told me it is not good to be alone with a man including the Man of God. M. Kekel didn't seem happy and told her she could go home. Nothing more was said and she was not allow back to clean. We couldn't figure out what that was all about since nothing happened and not much was said.
Testimony #6: Oh this is what happened that day. I was around that day she was told Kekel wanted to see her at the Lodge. Her son was just an infant. I didn’t see or hear her called to go see him but after she had already gone I was asked to wait for her. I was to take her to the motel where her baby was when the meeting was over. What I am about to say it hard for me to even type.
Julie got out. She didn’t seem okay in fact seemed pretty shook up. She walked or more stumbled to my car. I said Sis. Ridgeway what is wrong, what did you get in trouble for this time. I really didn’t know Julie at all but I had witnessed her being told before this day that one or more of the leaders wanted to speak to her. She got into the car she seemed in a daze. I had to help her get her seat belt on because she seemed unable to focus on the task at hand. What is wrong with this girl something isn’t right?
She starts rocking back and forth mumbling like she isn’t present at all. She said things like I don’t want to do this. I’m dumb stupid I’m yucky. I don’t like the bedrooms. Why must this happen? I want it to stop.
Chief wrote...
So do you NTCCers think all this stuff is simply fabricated and erroneous? Is Kekel the great, "man of God" as so many of you have supposed? I don't think so and in fact I know not. Kekel is a stone cold creep, double standard hypocrite who is touching your women and spending up your money and laughing all the way to the bank. Oh and for those of you who don't know, Julie strongly affirms that Kekel had sex with her in his house in Graham on more than one occasion. If you let your wife go to clean Kekel's house you are a dummy. If you are a woman and you've read these testimonies, and you still go clean Kekel's house, you must be looking for sex from Kekel. If you are an NTCC husband and your wife has read these testimonies, and she still wants to go clean Kekel's house, Kekel will probably have her bent over from the minute she walks through the door and he'll be right behind her pumping away and I'm not talking about pumping fuel at the gas station either. And lastly; if you you've read these testimonies and even a small portion of the rest of this blog and you've still decided to stay in the NTCC, you are a hypocrite, sucker and anything but saved because you are willfully following a predator / con-artist who's sucking up your money like a Dyson vacuum cleaner.
Oh, and another thing. Olson is an absolute low down jerk, degenerate, double standard hypocrite huckster con-artist, wolf in sheep's clothing moron and a complete waist of oxygen. Pam Norton also went to Olson, because R.W. Davis was having sex with her and giving her money so she'd keep her mouth shut and Olson told her to go find another church. Olson is no more than an enabler of criminals, con-artists and creeps. Olson is worse than all of them. I have more respect for Kekel than him. At least Kekel does his own dirty work. Olson is the one who sweeps in under the carpet and covers it all up.
Oh and let me tell you NTCC husbands one more thing. If you spent much time up in Graham and your wife went to clean Kekel's house with any regularity, she may very well have been getting done by Kekel on more than one occasion. Maybe repeatedly. Especially if she wasn't giving you much, you might want to consider. This is nothing new with Kekel, I can promise you. There is no telling how many NTCC women he's done. He wouldn't keep trying it, if it wasn't working. And see they won't tell because they feel to ashamed and even if they did tell, Olson and Davis wouldn't have done anything about it anyway.
ReplyDeleteIf your wife goes over to clean Kekel's house very often, she's getting done, I'd just about bet. Kekel is getting your money and your woman. I just can't relate to you NTCC men who still let your wives go to clean Kekel's house. You guys are some chumps. I mean stone cold suckers. Why would you do that? Doesn't Kekel have a wife who can clean up his own mess? You are going to let your wife do it? Wow. What a bunch of Chumps. It is what it is. If you get offended, oh well. Grow up and wake up and get some back bone. You are pimping your wife out.
NTCC women who go to clean Kekel's house? You women have to be completely out of your mind either that or you are liking what Kekel is giving you, LOL. If that's not thte case, you tell your sorry husbands and Kekel that you ain't cleaning jack. If they get mad, oh well. Y'all need to stand up to these male chauvinist pigs because that is exactly what they are.
You're a sick individual. What Kind of fantasy books have you been reading lately?
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DeleteAnd some of these NTCC women who get done by Kekel aren't ashamed. Not all mind you but for some, that's why they go over there to clean so much. To get done by Kekel, and then when he preaches they'll stand up and shout and say, "praise the Lord" while thinking about the next, "cleaning session". "Hey pastor, I'm here, ready to get "busy". LOL. Yeah, I see what's been happening up in Graham now. It's all clear to me. Holy moly. Unbelievable.
ReplyDeleteKekel is the MAN. Haha. Preacher/Pimp extraordinaire. Driving fat cars, living in fat houses, plenty of women at his disposal, spending everyone else's money, people waiting on him hand and foot. KEKEL IS THE MAN and y'all NTCC folks are his chumps, suckers and hoe's. GO KEKEL, GO KEKEL, GO KEKEL, Hey, Hey, Hey. Oh, yeaaaaaaaah. Ha.
Wake up folks because Kekel ain't playing. You however are being played and your lives are being wasted.
You have to wonder what it will take for people to wake up in the ntcc. Maybe if Kekel were to get caught by the wrong husband, (one with a spine), or perhaps if he swatted a sister on the butt who is a black belt in some form of lethal martial arts. Most of the men in the ntcc have had their spines ripped out of them in ntcc spine removal seminary, and probably would blame their wives if they did get caught in bed with Kekel.
ReplyDeleteI'm telling you Chief, one of these days they are going to piss off the wrong person and I'd hate to be on the receiving end of that. It seems like people in the ntcc are admitting that things are wrong but they are too afraid to leave or they are just too brainwashed to wake up.
What a scam the ntcc turned out to be. When I started blogging, I had no idea how corrupt and how filthy they really were. You've dug up a lot of dirt over the years, people have shared quite a bit and I fear that we haven't even scraped the surface with the hypocrisy and evil that these people are involved in.
Chief said:
"Kekel is getting your money and your woman. I just can't relate to you NTCC men who still let your wives go to clean Kekel's house."
DNA says:
If any of you ntcc married men read this and continue to allow your wife anywhere near pervert Kekel, you need to have your head examined and find someone who can reverse your spine removal procedure. Tell Kekel to clean the stains out of his own toilet, or hand the toilet brush dripping with water to Tanya and tell her to get busy. Tell Kekel that he is supposed to be a servant of all and to come clean the stains out of your toilet. You all are stupid for allowing your wives to go over to that pervert's house. Next time Kekel asks for someone to clean his house, tell him to clean it himself. You don't actually think they are over there cleaning are they? You husbands are being played for fools. Next time Kekel wants you to send your wife over to clean his house, tell him to send his wife over to clean your house. Sounds pretty sick don't it? It sure does, but if you are so blind that you don't see what's going on, Maybe you need to think that way before allowing your wife to go clean Kekel's mansion.
Testimony #1 said:
ReplyDelete"M. Kekel claimed he bumped my butt accidently and nothing more was said."
DNA say:
One must ask, "What was M. Kekel doing in such close proximity to your butt while alone in his 4,500+ Square foot Mansion to 'accidentally' brush up against it, while you were bent over cleaning? Is there not enough space in a mansion that size where Kekel can practice his own preaching principles that a man should not be alone with a woman? Sadist Sex driven Mike wanted to get more than a handful of something that belonged to someone else. That's all it is. Sadist: "a sexual perversion in which gratification is obtained by the infliction of physical or mental pain on others"
Don and Ange, don't post all this speculation. Pray and get a hold of Gawd so you can have the benefits of the butt blessing revealed to you. You need to get the mind of Olson so that nothing more will be said about this butt blessing from the Lord. Thus saith the Chiefster. Thou shalt know the benefits of the BUTT blessings or thou shalt surely perish.
ReplyDeleteIt makes me wonder when Kekel is having sex with other women if there are ever any children that came into existence through this?
ReplyDeleteWho knows? It's certainly possible. You'll never know though. There are NTCC women in Graham who have had abortions. I've been told that from credible sources. I'd have no way of knowing if they were Kekel's kids who were aborted. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if that were the case. I'm dead serious. The fact is, other than Julie, we don't know who Kekel has had sex with. If the women had sex with him willfully, naturally they wouldn't ever come forward. There would be no reason to.
ReplyDeleteWhat we do know is that there are certainly a bunch of testimonies, clearly indicating that Kekel attempts to have sex with as many women as will let him. I didn't fabricate these testimonies. They were written by people who posted them and there are multiple testimonies from different women all with very similar accounts. Kekel is a hypocrite and it's just that simple.
I could care less who he has sex with. That kind of stuff happens every day in this world. It's not at all uncommon especially in churches. I just can't stand a double standard hypocrite like Kekel who preaches hell fire and brimstone, lays all this guilt on everyone, wrongfully tells women it's a sin to work, (contrary to the scriptures like Proverbs 31 and "keepers at home") which means no more than to be a good house keeper, and then does everything he can to screw every woman he can get his hands on.
Kekel is a very low down individual. Other than Olson, he is about as low as they get.
Olson is lower, trust me. Not enough emphasis is directed toward Olson on these blogs. Olson is the very bottom of the bucket, the scum of the earth. A big time enabler and wolf in sheep's clothing. That creep Olson doesn't have me fooled one single bit. You have Adolf Hitler who gives the orders and a creep like Olson who is the actually one who gladly (because of his loyalty to Hitler) throws folks in the oven to burn. Olson has single handedly ruined more lives than you can possible imagine. If you are a woman and you take your complaints of sexual abuse to Olson, you might just as well go back to the sex offender and pull down your panties. You'll get no where with Olson but discredited. Olson is a scum bag. All that Olson will do is cover for the sex offender and sweep it under the carpet so as not to bring discredit to the NTCC. I can't stand Olson. He is the worst of all of them and that's the way the NTCC has it set up. Olson might just as well be the one commiting the rape and sexual abuse because he covered for R.W. Davis and he's done the same for Kekel and thrown the abused woman under the bus every time without exception if Davis or Kekel was implicated. If you have complaints to be made against Kekel, don't go to Olson the scum bag enabler, go to the police.
Oh I am sure there are pregnancies that came from Mike Kekel. I know a sister had sex with him that got pregnant feared it was his but she end up having a miscarriage so we will never know for sure since she was also married. This sister worried that God was going to punish her for loosing the man of God's child. She never would say what led her to have sex with him. They are so twisted in their ways.
ReplyDeleteOf if he does, he repents after the prophet "outs" him like what happened to David. Please note: David only did that once. He repented. kekel has NEVER exhibited any penitence.
ReplyDeleteThat is noteworthy about David. Yes he did comment adultery but he did it only once. He was confronted and repented. Michael Kekel a head of what is suppose to be a Christian org has done it many times it has been made known yet he doesn't repent just keeps blasting people from the pulpit about their sins and how they are robbing God. I guess David wouldn't make a good excuse for him. I wonder if he would dare blame his wife for his sexual behavior?
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Chief said...
Hahaha. That was funny. Kekel is a creep. Chippy Cheating Swindling Huckster.
Rev. Kekel is an honest and upright man! He likes big butts so therefore he cannot lie.
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ReplyDeleteHe likes big butts and he can not lie, you other brother cannot deny.
Chief wrote...
Hahahaha. ROFLOL. That is so funny. I remember writing that before. Is this Johnson? That is funny. I remember that from before because we did a Sir M.A. rhyme years ago about Kekel liking big butts. We couldn't have even guessed back then how accurately we nailed it regarding Kekel. I remember calling Kekel a pimp and Tanya a pimpstress. Good grief did we ever get it right about those two creeps. That was funny.
Chief
I'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, KEKEL BELONGS BEHIND BARS! HE NEEDS TO PAY FOR WHAT HE HAS DONE. HE CAN'T GET AWAY WITH THR SEXUAL ABUSE AND the LIE HE'S LIVING FOREVER. HE WILL GET CAUGHT....AND I HOPE IT'S SOONER RATHER THAN LATER! JUST LIKE WITH WARREN JEFF'S--KEKEL BELONGS BEHIND BARS FOR LIFE. HE ACTUALLY DESERVES WORSE IN MY OPINION, BUT AT LEAST IF HE'S BEHIND BARS HE WON'T BE ABLE TO KEEP DESTROYING INNOCENT PEOPLE'S LIVES!!!!
ReplyDeleteI WONDER WHAT THE BIBLE HAS TO SAY ABOUT PEOPLE LIKE KEKEL...
"But whoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea." Matthew 18:6
Not a single day goes by that I'm not thankful to God that I got out! I'll tell you what, if I was in NTCC and read this blog I would do whatever it took to get my kids and get out. Trust me, it's night and day difference and I promise you that you won't regret leaving. There are programs and shelters for women with children that will assist you if you need help.
Grant Kekel's profile on LinkedIn.
ReplyDeleteSanitation? Hauling grandpa's empty Nyquil bottles to the dumpster?
NTCC Groundskeeping 2005-2012?
How'd he manage that with attending St. Louis University 2010-2014?
Abnormal Psychology? Studied goofy grandpa's manipulative ways.
Management? How to get suckers with strong backs but weak minds to buy your mansions for you.
Marketing? Selling Christ for personal profit $$$$$$$$$.
Groundskeeper? Trying to keep that 39 acre plat illegally gifted by the ntcc to daddy mike kekel?
ReplyDeleteI think the theme for NTCC needs to be lies, more lies, & cover-ups! Seriously, NTCC nothing but a big, fat, scandal full of deception and half hearted cover-ups. I don't even think they try to hide the abuse! They know everyone is afraid to say anything. Even if someone finally musters up the courage to say something they immediately throw out the "you'll be cursed by God" card if you don't keep your mouth shut! To be honest, NTCC is a living Hell. They preach all that fire and brimstone all the while the "brothers" and "sisters" are truly experiencing a living Hell.
ReplyDeleteThat was an interesting LinkedIn page. No doubt. All those psychology and entrepreneur studies? Finance? Marketing? Management? Are you NTCCers this blind? Oh my goodness. Wow. GK is trying to become a mini RWD. Sound familiar? Learn how to psychologically manipulate people and make a whole lot of money off them in the process. Learn how to make money with their money. You NTCCers are absolutely getting took. Like the Anonymous poster wrote. Strong backs and weak minds.
ReplyDeleteWhy all the psychology? I'll tell you why. Because old Greedy Grand Daddy RWD taught him well. He taught him the importance of learning to get into the heads of his minions so he can make money off them. No more, no less. You NTCC people are stone cold suckers. How come Grant Kekel isn't attending the NTCS if you guys are the last great hope for mankind? Why is he out learning psychology and how to be an entrepreneur at a Catholic College instead. Because his grand daddy and parents taught him well. They taught him to do something meaningful vs learning to be a yes man sucker at the NTCS. I'm absolutely amazed. I need to get back into the right mindset and just forget about the NTCC minions because they are some of the most gullible people on the whole planet. They are so gullible that Kekel has no doubt taught them to stay away from information like this.
So if Grant was a grounds keeper, no doubt he's been on the NTCC payroll for years. More of your hard earned tithe dollars hard at work. Later y'all and enjoy life. I'm amazed. I'm truly amazed. I don't know how people can be so blind. Strong backs weak minds. Psychology at it's best.
Chief
Get a life and move on.
ReplyDeleteFunny, I was in Graham when gk was supposedly a groundskeeper. I saw/heard of only "brothers" being asked to maintain the kekel's property. The seminary had a full time grounds crew who took care of the school. Those who rented had to take care of their own yards. So, where was gk working as a groundskeeper?
ReplyDeleteFor people who perpetrate as Christians, the Kekels are crooked. They lie and doctor up everything. There was some angle to having GK listed as a groundskeeper. There always is with the ntcc leadership. It's probably for the purpose of showing income so mom and dad's income doesn't have to be listed when Grant was applying for college grants or financial support. The ntcc is always going to figure out ways to get money out of people. That's what they do.
ReplyDeleteBy the way, why are you on this blog if you've moved on? Why don't you move on and get a life? It's not adultery if you wear a condom. I've only ever slept with my wife. Blah, blah, blah. Move on, find a new victim. If you have a disabled child, beware. Kekel may be calling you to bring her over to clean his mansion so he can have a new sex toy.
ReplyDeleteIs this true and real? If it was, this org would make serious changes and remove these people from leadership. Plain and simple. I guess people of the ntcc group have become faithfull catholics who turn their heads at corruption because its taught to them.
ReplyDeleteOnly giving them certain scriptures to make them follow. How sad indeed.
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ReplyDeleteBut their are certain things people do that destroy their testimony and well, need to be followers rather then leaders.
Chief said...
Kekel doesn't even need to be a follower. He needs to have his butt kicked and openly called the slime ball con artist hypocrite that he is. Same with Olson. The NTCC didn't really teach you a lot. That's the misconception. The NTCC is a typical prosperity preaching church which really only teaches and has taught for years that the leadership is entitled to prosperity. For years, anytime that the majority of NTCC people started to make any headway from a prosperity standpoint, the NTCC leadership has claimed that they love money more than they love God. It's a chauvinistic organization to the max which oppresses and abuses women while deliberately misinterpreting the scriptures to justify is oppressive stance. I now realize that the main thing I learned from the NTCC is how not act as a Christian. They taught me how to squander other peoples money, how to live excessive lifestyles while driving the vast majority of the congregates into poverty. They taught me how to verbally abuse and humiliate church members. They taught me how to teach one thing and at the same time openly live another.
I don't believe that anyone in the NTCC understands what salvation is all about. NTCC people think that spending 5 days a week in church and watching some Bible misinterpreting hypocrite blast people is what salvation is all about. NTCC people think that paying tithe so that people like the Kekels can spend it all up on anything they want is what salvation and being blessed is all about. Anonymous, you've got it wrong. NTCC's brand of salvation is anything and everything but "Salvation". The NTCC specializes in Tax evasion and misappropriation of property and funds.
You say that God used the org? I say the org has been used at best by a bunch of con artists to deceive, use, mistreat, con, take advantage of, and mislead it's congregates. Man, Kekel should be in jail, not be a follower. Testimony? Man if you really look at it with an open, honest, objective mind, Kekel should have never been a church leader in the first place and neither should his father in law. Neither should his wife and neither should any of the other NTCC board members. And the reason is because they are all willful accessories to all the crimes that have been committed. They've all turned a blind eye. That's Jones, Kinson, Defranscesco, (or however his name is spelled) Johnson, Ashmore and all the rest. Anyone who turns a blind eye to all this information is no more than an enabling accessory to all the crimes that have been committed by the NTCC leadership.
Look Anonymous, I do understand your point for this reason. Because I used to be in the NTCC and they had me fooled also. Then, when I was no longer fooled, (because I'd spend so much time in the NTCC) I was still somewhat tolerant and apologetic. So in that regard I do understand your take. I'm no no longer tolerant. If Kekel ever was real, (which I seriously doubt), it hasn't been for decades and it hasn't been since he has been a quote, "minister", and it wasn't when he was a seminary student so at best it "may" have been before that. RWD was never real. It was always about control and money with him, at least since he has had anything to do with the NTCC or any other name it's ever had. RWD was a fake professional con artist. Olson is, was and always will be dirt bag slime ball.
Here is what else people learn while in the NTCC. To be anything but righteous and or Godly. Going out quote "soul winning" while the whole time doing nothing more than ignorantly recruiting people to be taken advantage of by the likes of Kekel is not Godliness or righteousness. Whether people know it or not, when they bring people through NTCC doors they are doing nothing more than leading lambs to the slaughter. They are leading people to get conned, verbally and or physically abused, mislead, taught false doctrine, and also taught to ignore all the signs of a cult while disregarding the importance of real righteousness.
ReplyDeleteWhat people learn in the NTCC is everything and anything but Godly or righteous. People in the NTCC are being flat out deceived and used. No, God hasn't used the NTCC to teach anyone much at all other than how to clearly recognize a cult (like the NTCC) when you come in contact with one. The NTCC teaches you what to look out for when coming in contact with religious hucksters and con artists.
What is amazing is that people won't think about where their money is going and how it is being used. No doubt there are those that know the exact counts each week, the bank deposits and expenses and they should be ashamed of themselves. Kekel and others can act like they don't get anything from the tithes and offerings, but people can do the math. What if this happened in their church?
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No doubt. Well said.
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NTCCers must like Kekel. Not a lot being said about him here. People are funny. Gullible. NTCC people are some of the most gullible people on earth. If the truth be known, I could care less about the adults; they are just suckers. The world is full of them. They can't too much help it. With few exceptions, most suckers remain suckers. Of course some manage to get their brains screwed back on straight and escape churches like the NTCC but generally, suckers remain suckers. It is what they are.
ReplyDeleteI feel sorry for the children and to a lesser degree the women. The adult men however? It's good training. Some eventually learn from their stupidity.
It's true. NTCC people are easily manipulated. I used to be an NTCC Minister and I hate to say it but I could convince the brothers to give money for just about anything. I took up collections for all kinds of different purposes. You've heard it all so I don't need to elaborate.
ReplyDeleteThe point is, as long as the brothers were convinced they were going to get blessed, they'd give and never ask a question. That's actually pretty fool-hearty when you think about it. We would take up collections to buy gifts for Pastor Davis and other board members and those guys had way more money than we did. All we had to tell the brothers was if they blessed the man of God, they would be blessed. The end result was the brothers got poorer and the board members got richer. Pastor Davis always expected to have gifts purchased for him. Brother Reed has told all about it.
Yes, NTCC brothers are very easy to manipulate. They'll give away their money for just about anything. I don't know if calling them suckers is appropriate but they are however easily talked out of their money. They just blindly trusted that their money was being used for the Lord's business. I no longer believe that buying expensive gifts for Pastor Davis or other board members has anything to do with the Lord's business. We were all just being used. That's pretty obvious now. It wasn't so obvious then.
Yes, we would have plenty of money in the escrow account but yet we would still take up special offerings for many different things. That's how we were taught to do business. Keep the church money and have the church members offer up more of their money when we wanted to spend it for a specific purpose. We were taught to never be afraid to ask the church members for more money when we had things we wanted to buy. It didn't matter how much money was in the escrow account.
ReplyDeleteIf I was still an NTCC Minister, I could easily convince the brothers in my church to give away their money. They never had a clue how much money we had in escrow but it was a lot. In addition to that, the NTCC headquarters has plenty, plenty of money and I'm sure that is an understatement. How do you think they got it all? Keep as much NTCC money as they could while convincing the church members to offer as much money as they could while regularly taking up special offerings. It's easy. Have a lot of church services. The more church services, the more money we could collect. Convince them that if they wanted to stay saved and be in the Lord's will, they needed to be in church every time the doors were open and then take up collections. The more services, the more money. Quite simple actually. Pastor Davis taught that. It is simple. Anyway, I've written enough. It's just business.
In case others do not understand, the escrow account was a separate local bank account that NTCC board members (like DiFrancesco, Johnson and Olson) would have signature authority on and could not be used for anything else except major expenses or for church buildings. There are other account, like the General fund that is used for expenses (utilities, rent, church supplies) that is all of the offerings from the week except Sunday morning. The other account was the Tithe fund and included all of the tithes throughout the week and Sunday morning. When church reports were turned in each week you would send a tithe of each of these amounts to the NTCC headquarters. Chief already covered in detail about the missing escrow money and many times church members never knew that there money went to something else like a church World Missions pledge or a pledge for the NTCC campground.
ReplyDeleteIf kekel is the way he is. From what I have seen. He is a snake and a great politician.
ReplyDeleteFrom the start if he bragged about his dating and fondling her before marriage. Its their fault to think they made the right decision or their non daughter to marry him.
This at the end will be their destruction. Not the just this but the multiple false people who lead this org. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Every man is accountable for such things.
It is men who distort that nowadays.
Its sad but Christian leaders look to their own and will always find A way to justify themselves according to the bible. Hince the different religions and creating something people will follow and being manipulative.
As I read the comments about the "suckers" of NTCC I had to wonder...were you talking about the people who have been in NTCC for such a long time and refuse to leave? It sounded to me like anyone who attended NTCC were being called suckers but the one making this comment was excluding himself. Is this commenter the only one who is not a sucker? Also, now I'm wondering if after leaving NTCC are we supposed to get really saved? How about baptized or receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost? According to the commenter nothing Godly was done at NTCC.
ReplyDeleteIf you read this blog it won't take you long to figure out who is leaving the comments about suckers. If you read the comments enough, you will find that the person most always includes himself as being a sucker when he was part of the ntcc. You probably read one of the few comments where he hasn't included himself, but he is right.
ReplyDeleteIf you attend the ntcc, you are nothing more than a sucker that has been duped, and if you continue to attend the ntcc, you will continue to be a sucker just like the rest of them that not only attend the cult, but they give a large portion of their finances to them because they believe that paying tithe and giving in offerings is mandatory. They believe the preacher instead of reading their bibles and this makes them big time suckers. If you participated in this practice you were a big time sucker also, as I was when I went to the ntcc. There are a lot of suckers in this world but if you want to find schools of suckers you needn't look any further than the ntcc.
Many of the suckers will eventually figure out the ntcc's scam and leave only to find another cult full of suckers that are doing much of the same thing. It really has little to do with Salvation, or receiving the Holy Ghost. Those two concepts are biblical but they don't require a person to shut off their brains. You can receive Salvation in any church, or you can pray for it on the job or laying in a gutter feeling like your about to die.
The difference is that when you make a ton of sacrifices and you give your money to cult leaders that get rich off of your gifts and laugh at you for being stupid for decades, that is what makes you a sucker. At some point people feel like it is more important to listen to their cult leader than it is to read it for themselves in the bible. If you are a New Testament believing Christian, and you can not find one scripture anywhere in the New Testament that says you have to pay 10% of your income to a cult leader like Kekel who is going to keep getting richer and richer, but you do it anyway, because they tell you that you are a God robber, which they carry over from the old testament that has nothing to do with 10% cash anyway, this makes you a big time sucker. All of you ntcc'rs need to get your nose in the book, and stop listening to these big time con artists. You are a sucker because you want to be a sucker. Stop listening to them and stop being a sucker. Read your bible and be a Christian, but don't enable a bunch of degenerate money grubbing, users and abusers to influence you to give your money to them. If you do, you are a sucker just like any of us who used to attend and give our lives to their fake and phony causes. Bunch of sucker fishes and bottom feeders.
Thank you for the difference in perspective. We all have our own opinions and I have felt like a survivor since leaving NTCC. I know I was a sucker but I believed I had done a good thing in leaving. The commenter who said that suckers will generally remain suckers doesn't hold out much hope for any of us that left.
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ReplyDeleteThe commenter who said that suckers will generally remain suckers doesn't hold out much hope for any of us that left.
Chief wrote...
I'm the one who wrote the comment and I understand your point Anonymous. The reason I made that comment is because the NTCC leadership really does do a very good job at brainwashing people as does much of the rest of the "Christian" church leaders throughout the world. I've known so many people who left the NTCC only to wind up still brainwashed in yet another "Christian" church. They get so caught up in the NTCC's doctrine and the need to be controlled by some church leader that they simply jump straight out of the pot in directly into a kettle. I know this for a fact because I talk to many people who leave the NTCC and I find them acting the same way they did while they were in the NTCC and making yet the same mistakes all over again. That's why I wrote that "suckers will generally remain suckers" because they will. It just seems to be in the DNA of many humans to perpetually get took. They get so caught up in believing that true Christianity is measured by how much money they give and how many church services they attend that they just continually get suckered out of their time and money by some con artist who's living fat off their generosity. This is what I ask...
Show me one example of an Apostle in the entire New Testament either in Acts or the Epistles who get ridiculously rich off his congregation? Show me one who even got a little rich monetarily? You can because it's not there.
Paul didn't accept a dime from the Corinthian church but R.W. Davis the dirt bag would have and most certainly Kekel would have as well and so would 99.9999% of the rest of the Christian church would leadership and 99% of people who leave the NTCC would gladly give it to them as well. That's the reason for my remark. Oh yeah, I've heard the stories, blah blah blah. Old Double standard Davis didn't get money from the church and Kekel doesn't either. Blah blah blah. Suckers. If Davis ever stopped funneling tithe payers money into his investments and or his personal bank accounts it was only because he became so rich that he no longer needed it and because as long as it stayed in the "NTCC" it essentially belonged to him anyway because guess who controlled the whole show? Double Standard Davis. And now who controls the show? Kekel and his wife. Olson is a pawn and he always has been.
Suckers; and guess what? I used to be one of them also but even though it took me a while, I eventually learned my lesson for real. I don't blindly follow dirt bag con artist hypocrites like Davis and Kekel any longer.
So there you have it.
Thank you Chief for the reply. I think I've read just about every comment on all of these blogs and read the stories others have to tell. It's not an easy thing to admit when you've been suckered and I sure was. We want so much to serve God who has done a mighty work in our lives and then let fear creep in by being duped into believing we have to pay our way into heaven and then some aren't even looking to heaven anymore and just want to please leadership. It's such a strong need to belong. It sure is a very lonely thing when you realize you've been suckered, move on, and find no where else to go because you just don't want it to happen again. If people stay in NTCC they're getting some need met but they're sacrificing their families for their own need.
ReplyDeleteI agree that no one should get rich off of the flock which of course the local pastors didn't, at least not from what I observed in the ten years I attended. Seeing the pictures of the mansions of Davis and Kekel is sickening.
I know exactly what you are saying. I wanted to belong also. I made "friends" in the NTCC. I know now that for the most part they were all fake because our friendship was totally conditional. Conditional upon me remaining in the NTCC and that's not real friendship. That's cult tactics 101 and the NTCC is very effective at incorporating those tactics into the brains of the majority of their congregates.
ReplyDeleteYou are right. Most of the local pastors didn't live like that but it certainly (for the most part) wasn't for the lack of desire. I had two NTCC pastors, (Mayers and Hunt) who absolutely wanted to follow in the footsteps of Davis. When I was attending the Atlanta church with Mayers, he was looking at $500.000 - $700.000 houses. I remember specifically. Hunt started trying to do the same thing when he bought a house and then rented it to another NTCC minister when he left Montgomery. "Davis wealth building NTCC style" 101. Denis followed Davis' pattern to a tee and became a millionaire very quickly.
Davis taught NTCC ministers how to become wealthy but made it difficult to do so if they didn't break away from the NTCC because they had to send too much money up to Graham. Barnes left the NTCC because he got sick of sending money to Graham and having to get permission to do everything and more specifically "how to spend the money" which came into his church. Barnes was a greedy wealth monger as well. He preached about money all the time.
Jones didn't' want to stay a in Atlanta because Mayers didn't want to foot his bill. Revival was conditional upon the visiting minister getting paid. It wasn't about souls. If Paul the Apostle would have followed Davis' and Jones example, he wouldn't have stayed in Corinth for 1 1/2 years. Jones and Davis would have told the leader in Corinth to pay their ways or they would have immediately left the city. Well Paul stayed their a 1 1/2 years and REFUSED to accept a dime support from them. I know, the church in Macedonia helped him out but Corinth didn't and Paul wasn't just sending them all to hell in the process because he didn't allow it. And Paul wasn't living in a stinking mansion either that he acquired off the backs of a bunch of seriously struggling Christians. I can't stand any of the NTCC leaders.
Olson is potentially the most despicable human I've ever met. Kekel is a flat out con artist hypocrite abusive jerk. Tanya is a spoiled empowered double standard brat. Jones is an lay down Atta-boy. Kinson is an enabling yes man riding off the coat tails of his father in law and a hypocrite who doesn't stand up for what is right. Ashmore is a fake, blow hard, charismatic, Pentecostal who couldn't heal a torn butterfly wing with a role of duck tape.
Healing, healing, healing, healing. With the NTCC it's phony. Where was all their "healing" when Briggs was sick with cancer or Hastings or Ramirez or RWD for that matter. A lot of people live past RWD's age. What, God had no more use for him? Oh, I forgot, "It was the will of the Lord" to take him home. Bologna. Phony bologny. I don't buy off on that garbage anymore because my sucker days are over. I suppose it's the Lords will for a 7 year old girl to be raped and buried alive in shallow grave only to be found dead in a wooden box with her finger nails worn down from trying to scratch her way out?
Man, stuff just happens and Davis a dead con artist and the rest of those guys mentioned are dead and Ashmore the fake was no where in sight when a "healing" was needed. I'm not saying that healing can't happen but what I am saying is that Ashmore is a fake hypocrite who is a good blow hard at best and he doesn't have me fooled any longer and neither do his con artist cronies.
Yes, we were all suckers who suffered the NTCC to rip us off year after year. I calculate I forked over more than $50K over sixteen years to these degenerate grifters. I even gave them the entire inheritance I got from my grandfather, which amounted to more than $7K, in one pop at a time I was making about $5 an hour and had no savings. They were trying to extract all they could from us at that time to buy the Holly Hills church building.
ReplyDeleteI'd say I was a maximum sucker. It was definitely an expensive lesson on the deceptive and crafty ways of controlling phonies, which has helped me to successfully avoid them post-NTCC.
To those who are still on the fence, do yourself a favor. Turn your back on them, jump off, and run. If you can't do it for yourself, do it for your kids--they're the real victims.
You're right Vic the real victims are the children. We adults were suckered and that's our own fault. Money is NTCC's big issue but my issue was being the example for my family. Turns out it wasn't the example I thought it was. The other commenter is right, we don't have to let it happen again. Seeing the truth and then having the courage to make a major change was difficult but it has been a good thing. One thing I got out of the NTCC was a big lesson. I'm glad to have seen these comments because as hard as some of them were to take in I realize I can move on and be the adult Christian God wants me to be.
ReplyDeleteIf we put more towards their so called calling and doctrine. I'm sure many people would put a red flag on this Organization.
ReplyDelete1. The bylaws
A.Your dress code is proving your level of Salvation and leadership
B. Your sacrifice to the organization over your way of survival.
C. Your dedication to them over anything in this world, including what God tells you and directs you to do outside of their beliefs and standards.
D. The willingness to not question their decisions which is a whole can of worms. Because if you question then they cant hide or give an account for their decisions.
E. Their disrespect for people. The so called so winning. You are not a christian if your not part of our program. Soul winning. If you don't go faithful your not a true Christian. Where in the world is that in bible to be a part of a program to be saved. Christians witness everyday and do not need to be burden with a so called set day and hours to do so. That is not Christ.
D. Dating.
A. You need a chaperone because we couldn't trust our own kids to do right. So therefore we want everyone to have a chaperone. Not letting people be true and upright. If they do wrong they do wrong. As what they say you make your bed and now you have to lay in it.
B. Your called to preach and in bible school., guess what, You have to get permission to date or so called talk to a lady on the wall. But before you do you have to ask permission or get approval like cults do...I will approve it if it seems right to me attitude. Where did their calling come into play that they should be dictators and become fathers to give approval of what is best for us in our life come into play? They are their to be ministers of the gospel not dictators and rulers of our lives.
The so called overhead to give their go ahead. What kinda crap is that. Really. What happened to talking to people normally and having your own standards. And knowing your standards you are more then capable as making "just "decisions because you serve God and a true Christian.
I can go on but i will leave it at that.
ASHMORE LEFT THE CHURCH... WOW
ReplyDeleteMIKE
I must say it is fascinating to read about this after so many years away from these people. It has been interesting seeing the names of people I now faintly remember.
ReplyDeleteI met a few "brothers" (John McKay I believe was the name of the person who introduced me to this church) while stationed in Korea in 1982-1984. After returning to the US, I then moved into the Christian Servicemen's Home in Savannah! GA and eventually the little house outside Ft. Stewart with Rev. Gesang. I remember attending the St. Louis conference where I was to attend Bible School and being asked by Reverand Gaylord to move to the pioneer work in Graham. I must say from all my memories, I really liked Reverand Gaylord. I used to shine his shoes whenever he visited and later in Graham.)
Anyway, I did move to Graham as a student of their bible school and for a short time, worked in the office for the organization. I ended up packing most of my stuff up and leaving the church. I had, for a long while grown weary of the harsh treatment and double standard I saw back then. I distinctly remember dozing off while praying on my knees on a metal folding chair in the chalel in Graham and then being mocked by M. Kekel who sat in the chair behind me, evidently amusing himself and others the way I saw him do to others. I was exhausted, working full-time, working in the school, and attending school. I feel asleep. No excuses...just the reality of life back then. I was tired and it got the best of me. He startled me and I grabbed his ankle and squuezed as i awoke, finding the entire congregation staring at me. I felt humiliated. I left a short time (maybe weeks), I don't really remember.
I do recall being called by Rev. Gesang once and later by Rev. Gaylord himself asking me to come back. Rev. Gaylord told that things had changed and they realized that in those days the pressure to attend Bible School was overly emphasized and he wanted me to come back as a congregant. Of course, I declined.
I used to tell people I remembered fondly of the early days in the Serviceman's Home and that many people were genuine, caring individuals, but in the end I saw the organization as a "cult lf personality" built on and by the egoism of RWD and MK. Anyway, I have been reading all morning of the many posts exposing these people and I can only say, it all makes sense now and I am glad I left when I did. Sincerely, JT
It's good you did leave that mess. One of the best decisions I've ever made in my life was to leave that corrupt organization. Life has been quite good since then with unimaginable blessings.
ReplyDeleteJT,
ReplyDeleteLoved your post. I hope you frequent this site and keep posting!!!
I fell asleep during end of service prayer on a metal chair. I felt like such a clown. Everyone was looking at me when someone tapped me on the shoulder. I tried to shake it off that I was in deep prayer but my eyes, and startled behavior to being woke up betrayed me.
The joke was on them though as I no longer give the rats 10% of the money I earn along with all of my free time.
Screw 'em all!
Rev. Gesang is now a teacher I believe. He looks like every mothers worst nightmare.
ReplyDeleteThis is what I love... Absolute harassment of this clown. Giving back to him never felt so good.
ReplyDeleteI am sick... That's fo show.
ReplyDeleteSick of this clown living the highlife without so much as someone challenging his authority.
Sick of this org for wrecking lives
Sick of these perverts for getting away with more than we could possibly imagine
FEAR THIS KEKEL
ReplyDeleteI kind of think of Kekel along the lines of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde... Dr. Kekel and Mr. Jive. Many people start off thinking highly of Dr. Kekel; but Mr. Jive comes out to play when the husbands are away! Watch out when Mr. Jive is nearby with his smooth moves slithering towards you ladies!
ReplyDeleteSomething else I thought was funny was the Anonymous poster demanding to know the name of someone who wants to remain anonymous. Seriously?
This is kind of old news but I guess its good to bring it back up now and then so people don't forget. Kekel and Davis really pulled the wool over our eyes. These guys are not Christians.
ReplyDeleteI left last year and the Lord has been blessing where we are. Our church group decided to go with us to our next work here in the same city. It's very sad what has become of this organization. It could have been something really wonderful for the kingdom of God. I spoke with a friend of mine who left some months after we die. He was active in the Graham Church. When I asked him about some of the office workers and leadership in the church, he told me that they are some very unhappy people. The negativity and condescending actions of MLK are beyond the pale. Insomuch that the brother resigned his position in the office and in the church about a year and a half ago, and left late last year. They, as we, are doing well. God is blessing the work here in our town and people are still getting saved. I feel like I have been liberated after being with the group for 25 years. Just my testimony, if it will help someone.
ReplyDeleteRev. Gesang is 'now' a teacher? He has been a teacher in that Bible School for decades, and a very good teacher at that. Granted, he would come to class looking very tired, but to say he looks like a nightmare is a bit critical, I would say. There are people that I miss within the group, but that is a known fact, that you leave them behind (in most cases) when you decide to resign.
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ReplyDeleteGesang might have been a good teacher, but he was also a child abuser according to his ex-wife. She walked into the board room and pulled down her child's pants and showed the board members the bruises and welts all over his legs and butt. She was divorced and shunned. Sorry if I don't have any thing good to say about Gesang.
ReplyDeleteGesang is a company man. He's witnessed too much and been part of too much to be anything good. Just because a rapist helps an old lady across the street doesn't make him good. Gesang is part of the problem, certainly not the solution. The NTCC couldn't have been anything good because from the start it was anything but good. We as church members were simply too detached to realize that at the time. Davis was a con artist from the start and Kekel was always a compromiser hypocrite according to credible testimonies. Nothing good can come from that. Olson was covering up Davis' dastardly deeds from the start and that's how the NTCC was build from the ground up. It was built on deception and greed. Jesus said that many shall be deceived. People with good intentions can be deceived. Deceived is deceived. In the end, one is no better than the other; good intentions or bad intentions.
ReplyDeleteGesang has witnessed too much and kept his mouth shut and therefor he can't be considered good. I'm just being real. I don't care how many classes he teaches in a sorry non accredited school who's diplomas a worth no more than the one sheet of toilet paper I used this morning during my daily constitutional. NTCCs school is no more than a scam which was perpetuated to further brainwash church members who proved by their own stupidity that they were already brainwashed enough to attend. That's reality. Get people up to Graham to keep a steady money flow to further facilitate the Kekel's unquenchable desire for the accumulation of stuff, power and control. Gesang knows too much. As long as he remains part of the NTCC there is nothing good about him and the NTCC was never good.
Once again Chief you are spot on. I knew Gesang pretty well. I used to respect him until I came to the same conclusions you just mentioned. He knows too much and doesn't really care about people anymore than Kekel does.
ReplyDeleteHey Cheif - Did you ever attend the Bible School? Seems like you know a whole lot about it.
ReplyDeleteNo never attended the School Of Rules. Know enough about it because I spent 10 years in the NTCC and was pretty close to plenty of ministers who did attend. Twice I almost attended but dodged that bullet. Thank God for that. That's some nonsense that I'm glad I never had to put up with.
ReplyDeleteIt's funny, I met a lady a couple weeks ago, here in Omaha, NE, and she had just moved from the Puyallup area. She knew about NTCC and the first thing she said was she thought about going, but then heard about the pastor who has ladies clean his house and she heard stories of things he's done.
ReplyDeleteI haven't experienced this, so I cannot attest to it, but by her claim, this is news that has gotten around.
It's good the word is getting out. Unfortunately I'm fairly confident that there are still women more than happy to do the cleaning. Hopefully I'm wrong. Either way. If their husbands are not handling their business at home, I'm sure Kekel would be more than happy to oblige. Who knows, they may be doing the old freaky deaky threesome with Tanya. I wouldn't be surprised one bit.
ReplyDeleteI have to admit that if Kekel wants to bang some hippo then have at it. Who cares what he does with unhappy women? I don't.
ReplyDeleteIf a woman is unhappy then why not go for the top man. Just saying.
I left last year and the Lord has been blessing where we are. Our church group decided to go with us to our next work here in the same city. It's very sad what has become of this organization. It could have been something really wonderful for the kingdom of God.
ReplyDeleteWhoahhhhhhhhh
So at one point you're saying this was a good church? Are you saying the Davis doctrine was good? Are you saying the holiness mumbo jumbo that no one could follow was good? Give me a break. What kind of church are you running now?
Chief... I'm getting sick of the street names and Mexican store fronts!
Anon wrote...
ReplyDeleteI have to admit that if Kekel wants to bang some hippo then have at it.
Chief wrote...
A hippo needs lovin also and not only that, not all women who cleaned Kekel's house were hippos. Obese is one thing but there is nothing wrong with thick. Thick is outstanding. I'd rather have em thick than skinny. Real men like them thick and juicy. Believe it. A dog likes a bone with meat on it. Ain't just hippos going over to clean Kekel's house. I know enough about the NTCC to know that. I would take thick over thin any day but that's just my preference.
I can't help the storefronts or signs. Google does that not me. You probably know that though or you were just being funny. I get it.
ReplyDeleteWhy in the world would a grown woman with a right mind want to clean this people's house, hoping to be the choose not one? Can this woman not clean her own house? are we back in the past were there are free housekeepers?SHM. Are this royalties? When I had to go to this church back then in the 90 (housemaid forced me too or he would file for divorce) it was preached, that a woman has to clean the house. take care of house bands and kids. What makes the keel woman so special that she can not clean her own mess? I already knew back then what liars and fakes and hypocrites this pexpletive were and after my now ex hit me I left him and this cult. Never ever would I clean that woman house. Such hypocrisy it is disgusting.
ReplyDeleteKerstin asked...
ReplyDeleteWhat makes the Kekel woman so special that she can't clean her own mess??
Chief said...
Bingo!!!! That's the million dollar question that I've been asking for the last 8 years and for whatever reason, NTCCers aren't smart enough to figure that one out. I've been calling the Kekels, "Pimp" and "Pimpstress" for the last 8 years. It makes no sense for people to go to the Kekel's house to clean. No explanation can justify that. At least not to any logical sensible person. Kekel and his sorry wife should clean their own damn house.
The Kekels are too busy running the "Program of GAWD" to clean their own house. What a joke. Only a pure dummy would buy off on that explanation but unfortunately the NTCC has no shortage of such people. If you are an NTCC husband and you advocate your wife going to Kekels house to clean, you need to get your head examined and you also need to examine your wife private parts after she leaves. Either that or you'll wind up raising Kekel JR under the false impression that it's your own kid when it's not. If your wife constantly wants to go clean Kekel's house, you already know the deal. She is getting done and getting done willfully and happily. If your wife just finished cleaning Kekel's house and she comes home with a big smile on her face, SHE JUST GOT DONE!!!!! Believe it. Can I get an Amen?
ReplyDeleteAnd the church said, Amen and Amen. Know the truth and the truth shall set you free. She is calling Kekel, "Daddy" with a toilet bowl brush in her hand. "Oh pastor, I'll be a good Sister". Kekel is saying, "Bend over Sister and obey them that have rule over you".
Ya see, now this is the conversation I've been waiting for.
ReplyDeleteKekel, I'm with, get yours brother. Can I get some leftovers please.
I was talking about the chicken wings and potatoes though...
ReplyDeleteLOL...
ReplyDeleteI can't imagine the horror when Kekel reads this on a nightly basis.
Ya pervert
I wonder if his boy knows and that's why he's doing IT now instead of doing church crap.
ReplyDeleteSounds like his son never got in but hey, I never new the little rugrat.
Not little any more, probably just a rat.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't he still live at home with his parents?
ReplyDeleteSomething tells me Grant has "escaped" to some degree. If he's not a pastor or working in any official capacity than good for him. I wish the brat well if he's no longer a member.
ReplyDeleteAs for his Father, Darth Vader, I can't wait for more embarrassments to be posted. We know you who and what you are Kekel. We know you too Olson, Kinson, and the like. All a bunch of deviants!!!!
Yada yada yada...
ReplyDeleteGrant escaped? Maybe he is not in the program of Gawd but I bet his education, home and whatever else was paid for by all of us was fine with his spoiled sorry butt!!! I'm not interested in giving an inch to that kid, his father, mother and all the other putzes that benifited off of us.
Exactly and that's where I'm at and have been for a long time. You got to be crazy if you give to that church. Unfortunately there are plenty of crazy people out there. No biggie. The world if full of the blind leading the blind.
ReplyDeleteI'm not so sure the leaders are blind. I think they see very clearly what they're doing.
ReplyDeleteI would say it's the crooked leading the blind. I know I was blind. When you tell me you have the answers to questions I couldn't answer I start listening. That was my bad. Now I'm trying to tell the long term blind (as most fade away quickly) in that org to pray for sight. I thought a few years was not only bad but how could I have been stupid for that long?
Yet some of these saps are in for decades? Crazy is as Crazy does...
They're all a bunch of blind nut jobs. Even those that are at the top believe in their own legend. I don't think Olson, Johnson, Kinson or whomever even think for one moment about what this org has done to anyone. They're into the pastor worship, their mystique, and the doctrine of whomever is in charge. They'll make a square peg fit into a circle to keep up the façade they now believe in.
ReplyDeleteyou will be judged for your blasphemy
ReplyDelete"You will be judged for yiur blasphemy"
ReplyDeleteWhat spirit in you drives such a sentiment? Is it the pray for your enemies spirit that Jesus taught and modled? Are those Christs words as he died or did he pray father forgive them they know not what they do?
Examine your heart and I think you will find your time in NTCC has lead you away from the spirit of christ.
But by all means keep reading the blog, it will engage your critical thinking and lift the fog.
Eric
I am a bit tired of listening to all of you. I don't believe any of you were there when all these rumors got going... You left, deal with it.
ReplyDeleteLeave then
ReplyDeleteDear Brother Bit. Tired,
ReplyDeleteI believe I was around when these rumors got started. What are you talking about? Who are you to dispense judgement upon us who disagree with your cult leader and all the harm sissy boy kekel is doing to you poor misguided ministers of ignorance???
Quartus
Anon said:
ReplyDeleteYou left, deal with it.
DNA said:
We deal with it by exposing double standard hypocrites like you and the hucksters you follow. Get over yourself.
Don't you find it the least bit odd that you are tired of what everyone is saying but you keep coming back for more? Your very presence here speaks volumes about you. If the group of hucksters you love so much were busy doing the right things, you would have no reason to be here. They must not be doing what they were called to do or you would not be straying from them into forbidden territory. Shouldn't you be out recruting more tithe payers? There has to be a few more suckers out there who will freely give their money to Mike and Tanya.
ReplyDeleteGod can save you from these greedy, fault finding money grubbers. All you have to do is walk up to Kekel and tell him the truth. Just slap him on the back and say "Hey Mike, I'm tired of watching you get rich off of tithe paying suckers like me. I don't think God's purpose for my life is to buy you and your insatiable wife more cars and bigger mansions. The void in your miserable lives can not be filled with my tithes and offerings." If you say these things to Kekel, he will run you out of the church faster than a gnats gocart going around a greased BB. Then you will be free to pursue life, liberty and hapiness. You might even find the true God whose yoke is easy and burden is light. At least you'll be free from the cult bondage that causes you to rush to judgment of others.
I see nothing wrong with what is going on in the current church I attend. Reading these blogs you'd think I was about to be raped by some gay paster or hit on by a slutty sister
ReplyDeleteI think you guys have the wrong church, maybe you all went to Tom Cruise's church.
The NTCC's formal doctrine is more orthodox than Scientology but they employ similar cult tactics of control and manipulation. The corruption is at the top and the further you get from the top, the better ntcc probably looks. This is not a healthy church.
ReplyDeleteEric
Who is not crooked by your standards? Is the Pope crooked for getting a city? Is the Retired Lutheran Pastor crooked? Is Rev Kekel Crooked for have a nice house and car? So he's done well? Comes with the position I guess. Hopefully I can get to the top through trusting the lord.
ReplyDelete"I see nothing wrong with what is going on in the current church I attend."
ReplyDeleteSome of the local churches are more or less benign, depending on who's running them, save for their chief purpose of funneling people to the machine in Graham. Maybe you go to one of those. I was pastor in the org myself, and never intentionally exploited anyone. But be aware that there are two levels of deception in the org. The one you're subjected to is designed to make you think you're a member of a great team of godly people who love souls and Jesus (and no doubt many at that level do). But if you make the big mistake of getting "called" (or guilted) into the ministry, you'll be subjected to a whole 'nother layer of manipulation, one that's carefully hidden from the masses. They'll get their hooks so far into you that you'll be nothing more than a Stepford Wives robot (you might have to google that if you're as disconnected from modern culture as we were), brainwashed to serve the elitist overlords who live in a completely separate world of luxury that you'll ever experience, other than vicariously by cleaning mansions or washing pimpmobiles.
Ok Ok but who isn't crooked by your standards? Who do YOU follow? The beat of your own drum?
ReplyDeleteDashawn
Get to the too? Top of what? Everyone else's money? Your very statement is a testament to your money grubbing mentality. Kekel doesn't trust the Lord. He trusts the almighty dollar. That in and of itself wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't everybody else's almighty dollars. Kekel is a con artist and certainly not godly.
ReplyDeleteStandards? Kekel is crooked by any standards. You obviously know nothing about the Kekels.
ReplyDeleteThings i trust more than the NTCC leadership...
ReplyDeleteBaghdad Bob
Hillary Clinton
KGB
Ford Pinto
Tools from Dollar Tree
Eric
And clearly you are unable to answer the question... You follow no one. You're trying to be a blogger instead of a Christian (just my opinion). Why not forgive any trespasses done to you? Why not show me the example?
ReplyDeleteInstead,You just bash and bash.
Bash,Bash,Bash:
ReplyDeleteWhat has Kekel done that needs forgiving?
Let me guess, "You can't remember the last time Kekel sinned"???
ReplyDeleteHey there little boy, you need to wake up and realize you have done got yourself mixed up in a cult. You are better off leaving now, instead of throwing away another 5-10-15-20 years of your life serving a man in the name of God.
If you know someones house is on fire and you dont tell them because your afraid they won't like what they hear, your not a very good person. Weve been where your are at, been to the bible school and entered the ntcc ministry. We've walked the walk and know howbthe story ends. How can we not warn others?
ReplyDeleteEric
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteAnd clearly you are unable to answer the question... You follow no one. You're trying to be a blogger instead of a Christian (just my opinion). Why not forgive any trespasses done to you? Why not show me the example?
Instead,You just bash and bash.
DNA said:
Why is it so necessary to follow someone other than Jesus? Why are we always the ones who need to forgive? The ntcc didn't ask for any forgiveness when they changed the standards which they once used to run people off. Were you around when Davis used to make women cry because they were pregnant and hindering their husband's ministries? Where were you when men were encouraged to leave their wives and women were encouraged to leave their husbands? Where were you when families were split apart in the name of the Lord. I can tell you who we're not going to follow and that is the ntcc hucksters and double standard hypocrites. Why do you hold us to such high and lofty standards while you ignore what the ntcc leaders are doing? We blog to warn people not to fall into the same trap that we fell into. Our words might mean nothing to you but there are quite a few people who google the ntcc after they visit. They get that feeling that something is wrong. They can't understand why these people who claim to love Jesus are preaching people into hell for not paying tithe when tithe is not a New Testament Requirement. You wanted us to answer you, and we are answering your questions. How about you answering some of our questions? Can you show us one scripture in the New Testament that requires Christians to pay tithe? I bet you can't. Doesn't it bother you that the ntcc has preached for decades that if you don't pay your tithe you won't make the rapture? Did Jesus ever preach that? Of course he didn't. Jesus came to fulfill the law and do away with all of the animal sacrifices and the handwriting of ordinances that was against us. Come on now. You ntcc'rs claim to know the bible, why are you so afraid to answer simple bible questions? You rush to judgement and are so quick to condemn others, but you have no answers.
You ask who we follow. If we told you that we went to a baptist church than you would condemn us for once saved always saved doctrine. If we told you United Pentecostal you would blast the Oneness doctrine. If we told you Charismatic you would say we were all reprobates. That's what the ntcc does. I witnessed it from the front row church pew for more than a decade. Ange and I don't "follow" a man, but we do put our hope and trust in Jesus. So, tell us, oh wise ntcc'r: Why must we follow a religious huckster to be Christians in your eyes? While the bible does say not to forsake the assembling of ourselves together, it also says to Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. Look it up. We really hope that you find the truth before you waste decades of your life. You are following hypocrites and we can only warn you and hope that God will open your eyes. You have to be honest with yourself and ask the hard questions of those you hold in high esteem. We doubt you'll answer any of our questions but we'll be waiting as usual for a clear answer.
Unknown said...
ReplyDeleteThings i trust more than the NTCC leadership...
Baghdad Bob
Hillary Clinton
KGB
Ford Pinto
Tools from Dollar Tree
Eric
DNA said:
At least you might get one use out of your Dollar Tree tool and you are only out one dollar if it breaks. Even a Ford Pinto would be a great investment compared to a years worth of tithe. I was thinking that a Yugo might even bring you more happiness than a sentence in the ntcc. It's funny that you bring up these comparisons because back in the day, you had to survive the ntcc experience by shopping in Dollar stores and driving junkers. I had at least one car for every year in the ntcc, (13 years total). 2 VW Buses, 1 Olds 98 and 1 Olds Delta 88, 2 Ford Rangers, 1 GMC Safari Mini Van, 1 Dodge Colt Vista, 1 Plymouth Duster, 1 Geo Metro, 1 Suzuki Sidekick, 1 Chevy Cavalier, 1 Chevy Cavalier Convertible, 1 Ford Escort, 2 Cadillac Sedan Devilles, 1 Cadillac Coupe Deville. That's a total of 17 that I can remember and I spent two and a half years in Korea where I didn't need a car. Only one of these cars was brand new. Most of them were junkers and left me high and dry. There are stories behind each one of these vehicles that are crazy. We did what we could to survive. What a waste of time and money. After leaving the ntcc there is much more stability in our lives. The car I have now, I've had for almost 3 years and the one before that I had for almost 7 years. We've lived in the same nice house for 5 years which is longer than I lived in any one house in my entire life. In the ntcc, we made bricks without straw and then wandered in the wilderness.
"What has Kekel done that needs forgiving?"
ReplyDeleteI lived in the same room with Mike when we were in BS (love that appropriate acronym!) together. He and Phil Kinson boasted to me and another roommate about how they were groping and making out with their girlfriends, Tanya Davis and Debbie Johnson, who were 13-15 years old at the time. We were horrified and remonstrated with them, but they both got up in our faces and made it clear that they wouldn't stop. They were very descriptive about the lustful sensations they enjoyed during these episodes. Fast forward many years, and they're both bigshot leaders in the org. When I recalled this incident online, both of them adamantly denied it ever happened. At the time, I still harbored the opinion that maybe they were sincere but just brainwashed and misguided, however this revealed to me beyond doubt that they are cynical liars and phonies. I would have respected them if they'd have just done what the bible says and admitted their faults and repented, but no, they were more interested in protecting their fake reputations. Now he'd also have to come clean about his public lying to "get right."
So there's another question answered for you. Hope you wake up and smell the coffee before you waste as much of your life as I did mine.
It's just like NTCCers to tell us to deal with it and move on. They say we are bashing.
ReplyDeleteHaha
It's funny, that's what they want. They want us to be quiet. That's what they say over the pulpit and NTCCers just repeat it to us.
THAT'S why I'm not afraid to put my name out there. Call me a basher if you want. If you are an NTCCer on this website, there is a reason. You must be curious about some things that have been going on at your church or maybe you've been noticing some red flags. Or maybe you think you are helping your church by standing up for them.
My so-called friends from NTCC tell me they won't talk to me as long as I continue to talk about the org.
NTCC wants to keep people from this site because we are not afraid to question their authority and practices. Cults do not like when you do that. That's why they say that if you go on these websites, you need to get saved.
I was saved and I still went on this website, and you know what? God used it to open my eyes to what was really going on in that manipulative, power hungry cult. They don't like that so many people are leaving, good people, people who really do love God, and whom God still loves. We don't need NTCC to be a Christian.
All I know is my pastor is good to go. I've never met Rev. Kekel.
ReplyDeleteIf he's a bad guy I'm sure he'll be found out.
D.
I do believe there are some good and sincere pastors in NTCC, but keep getting deeper and deeper in their org, and you will see, it's not JUST Kekel, it's the org and their ways. My eyes were opened to the fact that doing what they wanted me to do was NOT doing what God wanted me to do. They make their policies greater than God's will.
ReplyDeleteOK, so now lets answer my question... Who is in charge of your soul as you walk with Christ?
ReplyDeleteChances are it's nobody. Sometimes I'd rather be watching TV, or playing basketball but I have a pastor to keep me going.
Just saying,
D.
Did you know that your pastor probably watches tv and plays basketball too? If not your pastor, other pastors are. I walked into the local pastor when I was at a co-ed gym where I live. They secretly do these things, unbeknownst to church members, and preach against them. What's wrong with playing basketball once in a while? Kekel plays volleyball with bible school students.
ReplyDeleteBefore NTCC, God dealt with me about my life, and the Holy Spirit convicted me of sin. Why would it be any different after NTCC? NTCC took advantage of me, so it is hard to trust another pastor. I have tried other churches, only to be let down many times. Does that mean that God cannot keep me D?
D,
ReplyDeleteyour argument is weak. instead of deflecting address the corruption accusations
I am of Paul, I am of Apollo and I am of Christ.
ReplyDeleteEric
Anonymous - D said "your argument is weak..."
ReplyDeleteI know Diana doesn't need anyone to defend her but quit asking rhetorical questions to deflect what the main issue is here - corruption and hypocrisy in the NTCC. I wanted to throw this out there, NTCC teaches that you should submit to pastors because of them giving an account for your soul - Hebrews 13:17. Thanks, got it - and we have heard how difference offices in the Church are for the perfecting of the saints - Read Ephesians, got it, thanks. The problem is that many times these NTCC pastors will try to preach against something that they themselves are doing. So TV is bad? What are you watching pastor? Going out and playing basketball, going to the gym, enjoying a baseball game, and all that are bad? So why do their pastors do all they preach against and more and get up as hypocrites when they re-preach something they have heard in a Conference, fellowship meeting, or service from Org leadership?
"If he's a bad guy I'm sure he'll be found out."
ReplyDeleteJust like RWD was found out, right?
Whatever Anon. So here we go. Your Pastor is not a good guy; either that or he is deceived and or misguided. If he is sending money to Graham, than whether ignorantly or not, he is contributing to corruption. He is funding the corrupt Kekels and he should know this. According to your beliefs, when he stands before God, do you think God will buy off on the excuse, "I'm sorry God, I didn't know I was sending money to a conniving Crook". Have you ever read these scriptures Anon, or did you willfully elect to simply overlook this part of the Bible?
ReplyDeleteLuk 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them
Or this?
Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Or this?
Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Well your Church leader is either false, deceived or a believing devil but you are blindly following him. Do you think the cops would want to here that when I dropped my friend off at the bank and he comes out and gets back into my car with a big bag of money and I drive him away, that I had no clue that he was robbing the joint? You didn't see the big bag you dummy?
Well Kekel the leader of your pastor has a big bag but you are too blind to recognize that. Did you know that some years ago, the church gifted a parcel of "CHURCH LAND" to the Kekels valued at about $386 thousand dollars and on the deed is was listed as a GIFT? And did you know that your other leader Olson wouldn't even state the names on the land deal in his original explanation? What, your pastor doesn't know that either? Or do you just not even care? Your pastor, (whether ignorantly or not) is an accessory to the crime if he is just blindly following. You ever read the scripture about the blind leading the blind. Well that's what is happening to your pastor and that's what is happening to you.
You are blindly and ignorantly funding a crooked organization, and you are choosing to ignore KNOWN facts and according to your beliefs God ain't going to buy it. So it's ok to follow a crook as long as I deliberately ignore the facts? Dude or lady, you are just as guilty as they are. You think we are just making up this stuff on this blog?
There are a few people that do stretch the facts but ONLY a few. And be certain that when I know that stuff is happening, I delete the posts because I know a whole lot about the NTCC and it's leaders and your pastor is deceived and mislead and so are you. Do you want to talk about it on the phone? I have facts because I was in the org and I have first hand knowledge. The org as a whole is extremely crooked, and they cover up crime and injustice, and you are just blindly standing by not interested in learning the facts.
Chief
At a conference, I recall where rw explained how he had done some paper work so that when he died his "Sinner family" wouldn't come out and try to get something. This must've been 20 yrs ago when he bequeathed to the org the campground and properties around. He made the statement that why would sinners benefit from what God had blessed him with so he put it under the org's name.
ReplyDeleteWell why would he give his home in az to his grandson? It's well known that grant is not following in his grandparents or parents footsteps so why should he benefit from the monies that the org brings in. It doesn't make sense.
Yes it does make sense. RWD was a double standard, money grubbing crook and so is Kekel, and anyone with the brains that God gave a snail, would eventually figure that out. And so should have Anons pastor and Anon for that matter. You are not going to be able to claim ignorance on this stuff Anon or do you not even know who Grant is? Do you not even know his history? You don't even know who the Kekel's are? Are you even in the org, or are you so you detached from the REAL church leadership that you have no clue what's going on outside of your little small church? Did your pastor even go to Graham to their sorry compound brainwashing school otherwise known as the Bible College. Do you know it's not even accredited? Does any of this matter? Did you know that Church escrow accounts have been systematically been zeroed out for decades? Do you even know what the escrow accounts are? Did you know that as the pastor, Matt Reed was told that he couldn't use the church escrow account to fix the leaking church roof when there was $286 THOUSAND dollars in the account and he was told to take of an offering from the people? Did you know that the church leadership didn't even let him know that much money was in the account and he had to find out himself?
ReplyDeleteSee, you are just blind as a bat and willfully so. These statements should raise anyone's concerns, but no, you will just keep blindly following a bunch of willfully ignorantly people and crooks on top of that. Well good for you. It's good lesson. Doesn't affect me? There are suckers in this world born every day. Why should the NTCC be any different. Have a good one.
Boom! I remember Davis making statements like that. More proof he was a fraud that said one thing and did another. It's about the money. I challenge any NTCC defender to stop paying tithe for a month. Just to test their loving pastor. See how they respond. Just put the money aside instead of giving it to your pastor for a few weeks. See if they are more interested in you or your cash.
ReplyDeleteEric
This whole blog is full of proof. All you'd have to do is read it and you'd drop the org like a hot potato. It's too simple but actually it's not and you know why? I'll give you a few definitions:
ReplyDelete1: A gullible or easily deceived person.
2: A person who is easily tricked or deceived.
3: A person that has been tricked into something.
A gullible person.
I just found all three and they all say the same and they define someone who is otherwise known as a "SUCKER".
And such were some of us.
ReplyDeleteEric
I don't know how to deal with the corruption charge cause I don't know the leadership. I just know my pastor and he's treated me pretty good.
ReplyDeleteI know that I wouldn't make it without a pastor. I'd be wandering around wondering what's right and what's wrong. At least I have something.
I think some of the stuff like Rev Kekel's son will be easy to research so I'll get back to you on that.
D.
I honestly don't know much about these higher ups. I have yet to attend a conference.
ReplyDeleteShould Catholics in Boston quit because of Cardinal Law and his pedophile priests being moved around???
I think no church would exist if the standard is quit because a couple of top guys might be bad.
Am I wrong?
No doubt, but when I starting reading and asking legitimate and real questions, the obvious could no longer be ignored. It was as obvious as the nose on my face and I got a big one. I had been a sucker, and Olson, Kekel and Davis where clearly no more than a bunch of hucksters. I couldn't support that, and I was no longer going to, and this blog has a WHOLE lot more on it and more available information than I ever had access to at that time. That's why to me, ignorance is no longer a viable excuse.
ReplyDeleteAny so called pastor who has been through Graham should know at least a good bit of this information and that's why so many have already left. Even the crooks like Barnes and Denis figured out the NTCC, and they left just to start their own "NTCC" which was simply named something else, but the same scam game. They got sick of the NTCC and Davis and Kekel sucking up their money. Denis so much as told me so when he talked about the distribution of RV's and why it was that pastor Mayers wanted me back in his church so bad.
Denis who was an overseer at the time said it was about tithe, plain and simple. He said Mayers didn't want to lose the tithe when I left his church and that's why he was so upset and right in my very presents, pastor Hunt laughed at Denis' statement because Hunt knew it was true. And then the next thing you know Denis called me personally on my cell phone trying to get me to leave with him when he left the NTCC to start his own church and I was smart enough to know that was about the money also. And I'm supposed to believe that was quote "OF GAWD"?
Anon, do you think I'm just making this stuff up??? DO YOU???!!! If you do, your an idiot. Then pastor Hunt said Denis was a crook when not only 2 weeks earlier, Hunt was claiming that Denis was some "GREAT MAN OF GOD". And those two had spent probable the last two months with each other. And Jones wouldn't even preach at Mayers revival in Atlanta because he said Mayers wouldn't support him $$$$$. So that's what a revival and saving souls is all about??? Getting paid or I don't care about the souls??? Oh I almost forgot; "THAT'S JUST GOOD BUSINESS", right???!!!! "The business of GAWD and the LAWD". WHATEVER!!!!!!!!!!!
Anon, you are being taken to the cleaners and you can't teach that!!!!
Chief
Anon said...
ReplyDeleteI think no church would exist if the standard is quit because a couple of top guys might be bad.
Chief...
A couple?? Almost every NTCC pastor I ever met was bad. Even the ones who were pretty good eventually admitted they were bad and supporting a bad cause. Every NTCC pastor I ever had was bad. One is dead, two have left the church, one who is still in is an abusive blowhard crook, and another who is still in is a failure, blowhard company man and blind as a bat and can't preach his way out of a paper bag and followed the advise of another deceived pastor who told me personally that the only reason he stayed was because of his wife!!!! The one who died was about as abusive than all of them put together accept maybe the crook from Atlanta. He was pretty abusive also.
Anon, I could read your pastor like a book. Wolf in sheeps clothing and at the very best, he doesn't quite know it. Oh he knows some, I'll guarantee it. But that is the best case. Trust me, he's a wolf if he is part of this organization. You never been to a conference?? You know what to expect? A big giant "Special Offering" being taken up that will amount to nearly 200 grand. They do it every time. People make payments to this stupid special offering for crying out loud. Monthly payments and your pastor is part of that ignorantly or not. Dude, I've been to several conferences dating all the way back to the 80s and through the 2000s and I know. Dude, you have no clue. You are part of a scam game. What scam artist doesn't try to make himself seem like the "good guy"??? Do you think your pastor is going to tell you that he is part of a crooked organization? How many con artists make it obvious that they are con artists. Your pastor should seem like a good guy. He wouldn't be a good member of the scam game if he didn't. Well no longer would he fool me. I'll tell you that. A wolf in sheeps clothing. Been there and done it. Got the badge.
I was a company First Sergeant, spent well over 20 years on active duty and I ain't no dummy. Platoon Sergeant several times. Enlisted Aide to a 3 Star General. Driver for the Secretary of Defense. What I'm saying is I've been around the block a few times and brother you are being took, bottom line plain and simple. It is what it is now it's up to you to fix it and figure it out. Dude, I didn't even touch the surface concerning what I know about the NTCC. It is crooked to the core. Nothing good about it. Well, maybe not. The more I talk AGAINST the NTCC the more bless I become. I guess there is something good about it. If I want to become more blessed all I have to do is further expose the NTCC and it seems to work every time and I'm not kidding one single bit.
Chief
Anon said...
ReplyDeleteI know that I wouldn't make it without a pastor. I'd be wandering around wondering what's right and what's wrong. At least I have something.
Chief said...
And that's exactly where he wants you and where the org wants you. Brainwashed into thinking you can't make it from one day to the next without that pastor who has no legitimately recognized credentials. Dude, you are the real deal brainwashed and I can clearly tell by your statement that I just quoted.
And what happens when your pastor is wrong which he most definitely is if he is part of the NTCC? God wants you to be a man, not a puppet who's being lead around on a leash by someone who's brainwashed by the likes of Davis and Kekel. Have you ever tried reading the Bible and analyzing it outside of the guidance of that non accredited bible school pastor of yours? Have you ever even questioned that guy or anything the NTCC teaches?
So Chief, has God called you to rise up and create a church better than the NTCC?
ReplyDeleteWhat about everyone else? Where is the church I should go to. Where is the flock? Online? I doubt it.
That's my biggest issue. Give me some credit for at least trying. IF they are as crooked as you say I'm sure I'll fall by the way side and find something else. My guess is there isn't much else these days judging from where I've been and what I've seen.
I'm not going to say NTCC is perfect but right now it's my best Choice
D
D asked...
ReplyDeleteSo Chief, has God called you to rise up and create a church better than the NTCC?
Chief said...
No but God has given me a brain that he expects me to use. And by the way, probably any church is quote, "better" than the NTCC. Best choice? When you know and I have proof that the NTCC is crooked to the core, that is your "Best Choice". That's like saying that Charles Manson is your best choice in comparison to Jeffrey Dahmer. You can't be serious or you are more brainwashed than I ever could possible imagine? I'm not saying that as an insult either. How can you ignore these facts? Your church is crooked buddy. It's just that simple. I'm talking real crooked.
Child endangerment, incest, total misappropriation of funds, complete and thorough known and deliberate psychological abuse, raising money for stuff it's never used for, destruction of youth childhoods when the founders grandson was allowed a childhood that was categorically preached against for decades. And all the pastors know it??? Need I go on.
So in serving God you are fine with the best of two "known evils". That's the stance you are taking. You ain't heading for heaven. According to your own beliefs, Christ will likely tell you, depart from me ye worker of iniquity, I never knew you. Are you going to tell Christ, "In your name I did many wonderful works", just for him to say, "Depart from me ye worker of iniquity". So you think heaven is earned by attending a church at least "somewhere"? Good grief, you are more confused about Christianity than I thought. You need help that your pastor can't give.
Chief
D asked...
ReplyDeleteWhat about everyone else? Where is the church I should go to. Where is the flock? Online? I doubt it.
Chief most certainly said...
I can tell you for certain where not to go. The NTCC. That is for certain. Dude, I was part of the NTCC possibly before you were born. I don't know your age but I'm guessing. I could be wrong. Are you over 32? Everyone else? If you can't save yourself how in the world can you be worried about, "everyone else". I can tell you where everyone else won't be doing the will of God "ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE". THE NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIAN CHURCH!!!!!
Gods will is definitely not that you contribute to making someone filthy rich off the Gospel, that much I can be certain of.
1 Tim 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
So Kekel and Davis and your NTCC pastor no doubt has taught, (because I was in the NTCC and I know what they teach) that in the NTCC, the wealth of Kekel and Davis is proof of their Godliness. That's a fact because I heard if over and over in conference. Well the bible says in Tim the exact opposite. So who is right, Davis and Kekel or the Bible? Do you know what 1 Tim 6:5 even means or are you waiting to go to conference to figure that one out. No, you need your pastor to teach you Tim right?
God gave me a brain which I've found to be a pretty handy tool when I elect to use it. Your pastor seems to be your brain and your church is clearly your brain.
"I know that I wouldn't make it without a pastor."
ReplyDeleteThat's pathetic. Are you even a Christian? Have you never read that believers are kept by the power of God? Not some pastor-master, but the power of God. What happens when persecution comes and you get locked up in a dungeon by yourself? I guess you won't be making it, right?
These deceivers have you so twisted up doctrinally that you actually believe that they are indispensable to your walk with God, when in reality they're leading you right into the same ditch they're headed for. Man up for a change and stand for yourself instead of cringing in fear. You are truly an object of pity and a weakling if you really think that your success as a Christian rests in the hands of another fallible man. That's what NTCC is, a nest of perpetually infantilized Christians cringing and groveling before a bunch of greedy and abusive overlords who have them so intimidated that they can't even think independently anymore. Get rid of these parasites who are stunting your growth--or stick around and be their punching bag; your choice.
Well, I guess for now we'll have to disagree.
ReplyDeleteI can either believe you guys whom I don't know or those that I do know and have been kind and generous.
Maybe I'm stupid or loyal or both but I do feel like I'm where I'm supposed to be. If that changes I guess I'll let you know.
ISIS feels the same way. It's the world we live in. Yes we will have to disagree. You do pay tithe though right? Show me one place in the New Testament that justifies that as a modern, (dispensation of grace) "Christian" practice. Tell your pastor you are planning on stopping your tithe and see how that works out for you. Is he giving you ten percent of his income plus offerings? I'd say you are the one being kind and generous. Stop giving him your income and lets see how kind he is? You'll get blasted within a week across the pulpit if not in person as soon as you tell him you are not doing it anymore.
ReplyDeleteShow me one place in the New Testament, that's all I ask. How come the NTCC uses 1 Cor 16:2 in their doctrinal statement to support paying tithe when it has absolutely nothing to do with it but rather taking up a free will offering for the relief of the poor? Can you answer that question? Why are they deliberately mis interpreting scripture? Look it up for yourself? That's not that hard is it. Then look up Romans 15:26 which is it's companion scripture referring to the EXACT same event. Could you do that for me or do we have to disagree on that one also?
Dude you have to have an open mind or you are just wasting your time and life in any church you attend. Whatever. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. Blind leading the blind.
Chief said - "Did you know that some years ago, the church gifted a parcel of "CHURCH LAND" to the Kekels valued at about $386 thousand dollars and on the deed is was listed as a GIFT?"
ReplyDeleteIt is amazing how naive people can be and they don't see it under their noses. This 39 acres has been divided and here and is going to be developed according to the Pierce County Permits website when you search for the original parcel # 0418114000. You will never see money from it, it will not go into funding any ministries, new churches, supporting missionaries or those pastor retirement homes they have in their bylaws. Funny thing also is that on the organizations corporation documents is that Kekel is listed as Treasurer. Since when in a real business does the CEO or President watch and control the books too?
it appears that anon D is at a crossroads in his spiritual life otherwise D wouldn't be reading the blogs.
ReplyDeleteIt takes courage to read that those people whom you had in high esteem were never on your side.
Yes, they would try to appear friendly and accommodating and trade laughs and even invite you to visit their corner but you will never be one of them.
I've seen it. It's sad but true.
They put value in people, just go and read their tweets and see what they invest their time in. To them you have to be richer and smarter than them in order to have their attention and maybe you are those things D and if you are than more power to you.
It was never about love for people it was about love for what people can give them.
no crossroads here, I'm glad I got the hell out!
ReplyDeleteMike
D, it seems you're sincere and willing to look at both sides, which I wish I did sooner.
ReplyDeleteThey don't want people questioning their ways, and that's why they say in Graham and at conference that if you go on this site, you need to get saved.
Anon asked if someone should quit because a couple of top guys are bad. That's not the only reason. They took advantage of us, sincere church members, who just wanted to please God and make it to heaven. They start out by loving you because they want you to attend their church, and though I'm sure there are sincere pastors that really do want you to make it to heaven, their greatest motivation is that attendance sheet they have to mail in to Graham, if they still use it, that says how many people were in attendance, how many prayed for salvation, and how much money was given. If their numbers don't go up, they get railed on and they are told it's their fault and that they are not praying enough or working enough, even though they pray and knock on doors more than the Kekel's and Olson's. (I don't believe door knocking is soul winning anyway. That's just inviting people to church. Soul winning is when you lead someone to the Lord.)
Meanwhile, people in Graham are going to co-Ed gyms, skating rinks, watching movies, and brethren are lifting weights together for some beachbody stuff that ministers and ministers wives sell.
They probably don't tell you those things, because it's kept on the hush-hush.
My first pastor's wife encouraged me to use work out dvd's but told me not to tell any of the sister's at bible school.
There's so much hypocrisy and double standards.
All I ask is that you look at your life, and if you feel you can't make it to heaven without them, then don't let me take you from that, because I know they preach Christ, but I also know that they are very cultish, and if they are controlling you by their "policies" that don't match up with the bible, it's worth looking into and praying about. They convinced me to marry someone I hardly knew with the excuse "any two Christians can get along" and "you don't want to go to bible school single" and I regret letting them control and manipulate me so much.
Anonymous said - "It was never about love for people it was about love for what people can give them."
ReplyDeleteThis is definitely the truth! At conferences, in local churches and in Graham they teach the people to only bring someone that has something going for them - car, job, lives in a home, all that. You would hear off handed comments about people who live in apartments don't really care about their stuff. You would see the assistant pastors in Graham and Kekel schmoozing up and act charming to the business owners, doctors, lawyers and white collar types. Sometimes you could see the tag team in action as Tanya would talk up the wife too. You could almost see the dollar signs in their eyes. Then if they weren't in that tax bracket, if someone was willing to give or do something for free they were all about that even though they definitely didn't respect them.
One brother told me what they went through to wash Kekel's Cadillac with some kind of special soap and washing stone (he has since upgraded to a $100000 BMW 750i). Another was so proud he was able to shine their shoes and I just shook my head. There is a difference between a life of ministry and service and a life of groveling and seeking approval of those that would pass you and go to the other side of the street like the Levite in the parable of the Good Samaritan.
Why don't you tell us what church you belong to D.
ReplyDeleteI don't blame D for not telling. They'll blacklist him or her for certain. Make his life miserable. They do it every time. That should even be more proof to him. It's called fear. God forbid you associate with us sinning bloggers. Didn't you know that's just like having a coke and a smile with the devil? Nothing new in the NTCC.
ReplyDeleteNTCC mobsters are so predictable.
ReplyDeleteD is in perhaps least blamable position within NTCC. Never been to conference, never been to Graham (I presume). They have been introduced to a form of Christianity that challanges you to forgo and give up aspects of society causing one too feel like they are on a superior path. Its easy to understand how one would struggle to understand why people would have an issue with NTCC. Especially if their local pastor is a half decent person, trying to do the right thing in a bad organization.
ReplyDeleteAll that said, D is now armed with a greater warning than any of us were ever afforded.
God never called pastors to be lords over his heritage. They are to be servants. Arranged marriages, pressure to attend an unaccredited college, directing people to leave careers, driving wedges in families and marriages, making grown stand in line to ask permission to visit a friend or date a girl. Anyone who sets themselves up in that position deserves a whooping and not to be worshipped.
Runaway D. And if you want do that, take care of yourself before giving your money to the local church. Tell the pastor you want all of your money to stay local.
Eric
D, are you out of Fort Campbell by any chance?
ReplyDeleteI hope he's not part of Ft Campbell. I hate it when soldiers get drawn into that mess. I hate the deeds of NTCC just like Christ "hated" the church of Nicoliatans.
ReplyDeleteRev 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
That second verse shows RWD and is Kekel. God hates the deeds of the NTCC leaders which I also hate. No doubt in my mind. They are crooked to the core and their pastors are deceived and misguided.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Woe unto you NTCC leaders!!! You seek the souls of good young men and women (SOLDIERS, Americas Best) at all these military installations and when they are converted, ye make them twofold more the children of hell than yourselves. God hates your deeds! And the NTCC leaders live in riches and wealth and are destitute of godliness just like the church of the Laodiceans. He that hath and ear let him hear.
Wow, felt compelled to get spiritual there for a minute. Doesn't happen very often.
ReplyDeleteLike I said. We'll have to disagree for now. I understand many feel burned. I just say move on but don't leave god behind.
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Read to their blog D. They have left God behind. They don't go to church, they don't do much other than complain about paying money to a church. Little do they know it actually is an expense to have lights, AC/heat, a building, water, and whatever else.
ReplyDeleteSure is. For a small space, which is what the average ntcc church is, about $300 per month for electricity. Avg. Local ntcc pastor probably sends about that back to graham each month instead of paying tithe locally.
ReplyDeleteThere wasnt much of God in NTCC to leave behind. Most of what was there left with us.
NTCC is not about God or the gospel. The gospel is free but it does cost something to spread it. In NTCC money only flows one way and thats to Graham. They never reinvest that money in church plants or anything that grows the gospel. Yet the leaders in Graham live like fat cats while accomplishing nothing with the resources they have.
NTCC is a joke and those who stick with it are wasting their life, time, treasure and talent.
Eric
Little do they know it actually is an expense to have lights, AC/heat, a building, water, and a million dollar mansion, a quarter million dollar Mrecedes McLaren, 100k BMW, A MILLION Dollar recreation vehicle, and whatever else you brain washed suckers are stupid enough to buy for them.
ReplyDeleteBMW? Oh come on a Pastor needs to sport his pimpin best on Sundays.
ReplyDeleteMike
For crying out loud how is he going to seduce the "Sisters" when they're cleaning his house? A BMW says hey baby come to "Daddy".
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D said...
ReplyDeleteLike I said. We'll have to disagree for now. I understand many feel burned. I just say move on but don't leave god behind.
Chief said...
D, you leave God behind every time you walk through an NTCC door. You get burned every single time you put one dime into an NTCC offering plate. You are definitely getting burned and suckered every time you give them a tenth of your income thinking 1 Cor 16:2 justifies that. Knowing what little you know already you are definitely leaving God behind every minute you remain in the NTCC. You D, have left God behind. No doubt.
Anon wrote...
ReplyDeleteThey have left God behind. They don't go to church.
Chief said...
Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me?
So Anon, how in the world can you draw that conclusion? You obviously err not knowing the scriptures. God doesn't dwell in your NTCC church building that your pastor has taken part in paying for 10 times over because he pays rent on it just like every pastor did before him. You probably didn't know that either. So if not going to church is proof that you've left God behind, you better get in contact with Luke and tell him to throw Acts 7:48 in the trash. These church folks err not knowing the scriptures or the power of God.
2 Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Anon, Just because I haven't found a home church yet, does not mean I am not looking or praying about it. By your statement, it is church that saves us. You are being foolish and only accuse.
ReplyDeleteDiana, you do not own anon an explanation. I certainly wouldn't give one. You are more decent without a church building then he is with one. You own no self righteous religious person any explanation. Don't fall for that trap. Never explain yourself. That's your business.
ReplyDeleteANON, go back to soul winning, aka bothering everyone, and leave the fun stuff for us sinners.
ReplyDeleteGo back to yelling at a wall for an hour to prove you're more spiritual than the next guy yelling at the wall or the alter or the floor... Putz!
Mike
Putz?
ReplyDeleteAt least I'm praying, reading the bible, going to church. I understand faith shouldn't be works based but you'll be able to tell Christians by what they do.
No need to get nasty. Like I said originally, move on. Be happy.
I understand faith isnt defined by my actions but if your a christian you will behave just like me. Sounds a lot like NTCC isnt the only right church but the others are just like them.
ReplyDeleteNarrow minded cult double talk.
How about behaviors like compassion, empathy, charity, grace, trust, humility...the ones not practiced, preached or modeled in the NTCC.
Eric
I never observed anyone who prayed more than Denis. His church is just like NTCC. He must be a model of Christ and holiness.
ReplyDeleteEric
Is this Eric Hannah?
ReplyDeleteI am pretty sure it is Eric Granger. Who is a pretty level headed guy in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteYou don't pray you just yell out trying to outdo the guy next to you in a holiness competition. Ridiculous!
ReplyDeleteYou don't attend church, you attend an Amway convention/pyramid scheme.
You read the Bible but loose complete site of Christ's example.
How is that?
Mike
Be advised, the Vikings are going to reek havoc across the league this year. They will win the Superbowl. COUNT ON IT.
ReplyDeleteMike
Good luck. I'm just not seeing it. Time will tell. That's for certain.
ReplyDeleteYo D, have you checked out the latest testimony about your overlords over at http://ntccxerblog.blogspot.com/ ? Do you really believe that this account is just a fabrication? Check it out and consider how you are funneling money into an organization that routinely commits these kinds of spiritual crimes against sincere and conscientious believers. Is that really something you want to support?
ReplyDeleteRight on Vic,
ReplyDeleteThese scammers hope the "flocks" don't get wise to their deception and tyranny.
Mike
Looks like D has been discovered and reprimanded by the borg. Or maybe he read the testimony at NTCCXER and is having issues he's trying to resolve.
ReplyDeleteNo telling. More often than not, people just stop blogging at least for a while. They get tired of it and I can certainly relate because that has happened to me on way more than one occasion. I understand D. We all went through it to one degree or another. It's hard to accept that you've been played or taken advantage of. That's happened to anyone who's ever been in the NTCC. Even if the local pastor didn't mean to do it that was exactly what was happening. He was just getting played at the same time.
ReplyDeleteAll of you do understand that you will have to eat your words when you stand before God Right? And that anyone who reads this trash you call "testimony" will be called up to be a witness against you. And if you are to be Christians and if pastor Kekel did do these things (and we all know he didn't and you are all haters, liars, and have not the fruits of the spirit in you) then shouldn't you be praying for him instead? and I also know that anyone who falls into the lies of these evil "leaders" (like Chief) will also have there fate, Hell. I don't hate anyone on this page. In fact, I feel sorry for you. I am praying for all you. I wish upon no one these things that will pass. but the thing is wrong is wrong. but God leaves it up to you to change and ask for forgiveness from God from the pastor and all the souls you sent astray from your rants about a man who you are just jealous over. if you want to make it to heaven it isn't too late this is your wake up call. so beware of your words and your cowardly typing on a blog with nothing but haters of good because hell is still burning.
ReplyDeleteAnon, I understand where you are coming from, because I too would read these blogs and I don't really care for certain accusations when there's always two sides to a story. Your leaders do the same thing. They talk about people. I was never so critical until being around NTCCers. Do you not understand the point of this blog? This gives us a voice when we had no voice. You say we should pray for them instead, but do they pray for us instead? Or do they talk about us too? People have come to me telling me what Kekel's wife said about me. Do you give them the same warning?
ReplyDeleteThis blog may seem wrong, because NTCC preaches that if you go on here, you need to get saved. That's a sign of a cult. When I started reading these, I didn't care for the accusations and would skim over them. I didn't leave NTCC because of accusations. I left because of my experience. This blog didn't send souls astray. It is your leaders, who gave them reason to come here, who sent them astray. And only astray from NTCC, not God. Leaving NTCC does not mean you've left God, as your leaders make it seem.
Yes, I can speak for myself and say I agree with you that I should pray more, just as anyone else. But for you to say that because I am a part of this, that I am on my way to hell, you sound just like the cult, trying to keep people from seeing the other side. What are they so afraid of when someone reads these? They don't like that this helps makes people bold to question their practices.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I am not here because of jealousy as you say. I am here because an organization took advantage of me and others and I want no part of it and I am not ashamed of anyone knowing that.
Ma'am I will pray for you and everyone else on this blog like i have before and I am not a cult member or a leader of any sort. I also believe the if they did take advantage of you then they will be accountable for their own actions. Two wrongseparate don't make it right. There is no need to use your situation to warn others. Because let's face it no matter what some will still have another story. but let's just show people jesus and salvation instead of anger and hateful blogs. And leaving a church doesn't make you a sinner but when you so division that does. I hope everyone on this blog is praying so we can all make it to heaven. I'm am done posting. Just please pray.
DeleteAt least some of us aren't so cowardly that we won't even put our names to our words. You are the fearful one, cringing before your NTCC masters, afraid they'll find out you've disobeyed their orders to stay away from here. Grow up and assert power over your own life instead of letting some phony stuffed shirt run it for you.
ReplyDeleteOoh, hell. I'm supposed to be afraid of burning in fire for eternity because I dared warn others about the evil shepherds you serve? No legitimate God would punish that, and I can say along with Chief that the more vocal I've been about your false teachers, the more I've prospered. Wake up and escape your bondage, before you die old and broke, still asking for permission to have someone over for dinner. How weird is that? Are you so far gone that you think it's normal? WAKE UP!!!
I lived in the same room with Mike Kekel, and I know more about him than you ever will, no matter how many times you shine his shoes. The truth threatens the fake little world in which you've chosen to live, so you continue to stick your head in the sand and ignore the blatant reality that you're just a sucker and a dupe for a bunch of cynical, manipulative overlords. Take your pathetic ass back to the NTCC and continue to suck up their deceit and abuse--it's what you do best. At least some who come to this blog get enlightened enough to escape their servile predicament, but it appears that you'll go down to the grave like Ralph St. Clair, trapped until the end. What a waste.
Lol if you served the same God I did you wouldn't have used the language you did.And I don't care if I die broke my retirement is in heaven.and Jesus is the best life insurance policy ever. Vic I will pray for you. Because I wasn't the one who was deceived.
ReplyDeleteAlright Mr Super Spiritual. You don't even know what to pray for. Pray for a little common sense so you can learn the difference between a decant person and a religious huckster fake. If you are talking about showing the ntcc brand of salvation no one with any sense wants to see it. Pray that your brain will learn to function properly enough to not get deceived by religious con artists.
ReplyDeleteSuper spiritual is right--salty language isn't a sin; plenty of it's even in the bible. No one is impressed by your fake piety.
ReplyDeleteYour retirement might be in heaven, but Mike and his gang are making sure their earthly old age will be lavish, while you'll sit around eating ramen in a singlewide because you gave all your money to the avaricious millionaires who appointed themselves over you. They love to hear you spouting off about Jesus being your insurance policy, but you can bet they've got their bases covered, sucker. Not only are you deceived, you're deceived about being deceived. Wake up and take charge of your own life for a change and stop trusting in charlatans.
Bitterness is plain to see in this blog. An as far as sending money to Graham that ludicrous Graham also supports most of the church's with that money Received from prospering congregations,
ReplyDeleteBS. Graham is notorious for never stepping up with help. The flow of money is one way in that outfit. I pioneered two churches and never got a thin dime, but I sent thousands to the rich profiteers you serve. Even when churches have hundreds of thousands of dollars in their "escrow" accounts, pastors are told to "take up an offering" when there's a need. Quit drinking the Koolaid and overcome your severe case of Stockholm syndrome.
ReplyDeleteHow does Graham support works Anonymous?
ReplyDeleteGraham is a giant money sinkhole--they take from all, not just "prospering congregations." From the minute I went into the ministry, I sent money to Graham every single week, without exception, even when the church wasn't generating sufficient income to pay for itself. I never knew any ministers who received monetary assistance from the Cadillac-driving elitists occupying positions of leadership in this moneygrubbing cult. No, we ate chicken neckbones and rice and beans so they could dine at the Space Needle and shop at Nordstrom's.
ReplyDeleteWe used to have fellowship meetings in the different regions, and the offerings were allegedly to be used for establishing new works. To date, not one minister has been found who can testify about receiving such help. Some ministers have assumed "broke" churches, only to later learn that the previous minister left an "escrow" amounting to tens of thousands of dollars.
It's a scam and it's always been a scam, run by greedy users who are sociopaths bereft of normal human empathy. They succeed because sincere people can't imagine some would stoop to exploiting people via spiritual manipulation, but sadly such people do exist and they're the ones who rise to the top in corrupt organizations like NTCC. I lived in the same dorm with the current crop of exploiters and know personally that they're not the holy men of God they impersonate, and they seem to have only become worse over the years. Caveat emptor!
You guys have a lot of bitterness and hate to dedicate a whole blog to this junk,that for all we know could be lies . why not get over if something did happen and definitely move on. it's petty. and childish. plus all your comments reek of hate. yet you call yourselves Christians though you know I'm not spiritual or anything buttt I'm pretty not hating people is in the Bible some where. Move on get a life... Maybe they aren't replying not because they are scared or because it's true, but because these comments are pathetic.
ReplyDeleteOh, you have the gift of discernment, do you? You can magically detect the attitudes of others and commence judging? Has it occurred to you that people who have already undergone the full "NTCC Experience" might actually be concerned that others don't suffer the same negative fate? Why are you even reading this? Your overlords have instructed you to stay away from these blogs, so apparently you're rebellious and disobedient.
ReplyDeleteStop for a minute and ponder that we might be trying to do you a favor and impart some vital information that just might save you years of heartache and trouble. There's nothing pathetic about trying to help your neighbor; that's a motive of which Jesus would approve. Think about it and don't react automatically with your NTCC mind-control conditioning--all critical thoughts regarding your cult don't originate with the devil. Maybe God himself is trying to warn you, but you think you know better. Wake up!
I don't have have overlords?? And no one has forbidden me from reading these? You have problems if you think everyone that disagrees with your guys comments here are ntccers, like did I ever say I was part of them? No. I don't know you and I don't know them. I'm just saying you guys sound like the ones "commencing" judgement. You literally sound like a child who got in trouble from their parents and are now telling your friends how such horrible people they are. I guarantee you that probably more than half this stuff is nothing more than lies. And if they did do something wrong to you, get some consoling, and move on. I just don't believe this, there's two sides to every story. I'm sure you guys aren't completely innocent in these situations despite what you say. It's just pathetic. .. and childish. ..
ReplyDeleteSo what about the other "half" that is the truth anonymous? Oprah Winfrey spoke out against her family because they still bring her child rapist around during family gatherings. Therefore she does not attend family functions. she got in trouble with her parents and family members for speaking about family business and not moving on. Pretty childish, right!? People that protect rapists and child predators deserve exposure.
ReplyDeleteBecause I doubt these people are rapists. It all sounds pretty sketchy to me. You guys just sound butt hurt and are now making up stuff just to try and ruin someone's life. come on tell what you did in the situation? really you guys are so quick to set then out for their supposed wrong doings ,why not tell everyone your guys wrong doing in these situations. I'd guess my life on in that you guys aren't innocent. I REALLY doubt you guys are. How about grow up and shut up...
ReplyDeleteAlright,troll. NEXT!
ReplyDeleteLol that's all you have to say? pathetic
Delete"No. I don't know you and I don't know them."
ReplyDeleteOK, you don't know them...no wonder you're ignorant of their devices. If you did, you would have no problem believing the testimonies shared here. We do know them, and we know what they do and how they act. That you refuse to believe us is your problem, and you just conceded that you aren't in any position to "guarantee" anything about these serious allegations. So just get out of the way and let us shine some light on the darkness that constitutes NTCC. At least others might be spared the misery we experienced firsthand.
I defended them too, until I got to know them, and especially once we were sent out to a work. In England, our visas disallowed us to work a job, so as to not take a job from an English national, and NTCC signed a paper saying they would support us. They did. They had to. But they started telling us to just take up special offerings. They wanted us to ask the church members, who were also struggling financially, to help pay the rent for the church and for our living quarters. When we were leaving England, instead of giving the car to a faithful church memeber in need, we were told to get as much as we can for it so we can put that money towards our plane tickets back to the states. They didn't care for the church members. They only cared to not spend extra money. The drums that a brother helped pay to repair, we were told to sell to him instead of giving them to him. I felt horrible. We, the church, should be helping these people, but instead, our "Godly" leaders wanted the church members to support us. It was wrong. Some guy that we didn't even know got the car for $500, instead of giving it to a fellow brother in need. Him and his wife and daughter had no car, and they had been faithful to us for a while. Come to think of it, my ex-husband was trained so well by the NTCC scam artists/leaders, that he didn't even feel guilty doing that. It was me that pointed out to him that it was wrong.
ReplyDeleteNo, I don't always believe everything that is posted on these blogs, but the fact that we can have an outlet to express and warn others about this organization is very healing, because they bully and gossip about us who have left behind our backs and over the pulpit, and this is our way to expose them and share what we experienced at their hands, trying to save some from the same pain they've caused us, and not just to help new people, but the things written in this blog show other NTCCers that all the red flags they've been ignoring are really there.
YOU ARE NOT CRAZY OR REBELIOUS FOR QUESTIONING NTCC. Question them! When they tell you to stop contact with your family, question them. When they try to match-make you with someone and say "he may not like you, but you don't want to go to Bible school single, and any two Christians can get along," question them.
When they tell you that you need to get saved if you are reading these blogs, question them. Why don't they want you on here? Because WE'RE bitter? It's because they don't want you to get brave to start QUESTIONING them and your experiences with them.
The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.
ReplyDeleteWe speak out to warn others.
Jesus himself rebuked the Pharisess, and the NTCC is their modern analog. So if we "have a lot of bitterness and hate," so did Jesus.
ReplyDeleteAnon the lover of the preacher blaster said...
ReplyDeleteHow about grow up and shut up..
Jeff AKA Chief said...
The good news is despite the fact that this tactic used by control freak NTCC preachers works in the NTCC, it doesn't work here nor did it work during Jesus' days on earth. The religious creeps of Jesus' day tried the same thing on him and that tactic didn't pan out too well.
Religious sanctimonious control freaks can't stand it when decent people set them straight and Anon is certainly no different. I am grown up and as long as your crooked con artist preachers keep taking advantage of people and swindling them out of their money, you won't be shutting me up any time soon. You are either a con artist yourself or the enabler of such individuals but I'm not.
As long as the Kekels keep teaching false doctrine by trying to justify their swindling with 1 Cor 16:2, I will keep not shutting up. Until they figure out a way to turn back time and put Grant through the same hell they required of our children, I most definitely won't be shutting up. A Catholic college? Give me a break. You are an enabler of hypocrites. Any other parent of any kid who didn't go to the SORRY NTCS would have been preached under the pulpit and if you are too stupid to figure that out you are dumber than I thought. Say no less attending a Catholic college for pete's sake. I guess you never heard them preach about the "Great Whore" did you. That's right, you are too much of an "NTCC Rookie" to figure that one out either one way or the other.
You know, at times I feel bad about speaking out against NTCC, the Kekel’s, etc, but then I remember the hypocrisy too, they burdens they placed upon Jesus’ sheep that they themselves would not bear.
ReplyDeleteMatch making people.
Controlling and manipulative.
The Lord knows what they have done. May He bless them and soften their hearts.
My parents were members NTCC when I was younger in St. Louis. RD Davis controlled every aspect of our lives. My father was a hard working man that was raising 3 kids on his salary from the ship yard. When my dad wasn't working he was working for the church. My dad scrimped and saved a large sum of money giving it to RW Davis for a school for us to be built. That's when RW Davis left our church and took the money with him. No school was built. The reason for his sudden departure was he had been caught having affairs with several when in the church including the organists and pianist of the church.
ReplyDeleteYeah same old story. RW was a criminal, liar, and swindler who had no conscience; in his wake trailed hundreds of shattered lives. It was a great day when he finally croaked.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, I’m curious how he controlled every aspect of your lives. Not that I don’t believe you, but I too had a pastor in NTCC that controlled every aspect of our lives. We’ve seen many work and then work for the church. Give all they had. Not sure about the claims of affairs as they never did such to me, but the controlling part for sure is a characteristic of that church/cult/org.
ReplyDeleteI pray the bitterness go away. Let us not become or be like them.
ReplyDeleteThe affairs are what led to the forming of NTCC--the previous church ran RWD off and he managed to scavenge a handful of people with which he started the cult. We were lied to and told that the old church "didn't want holiness" and were just a bunch of compromising sinners, but later the truth emerged that he was a serial adulterer who was caught and run off. NTCC was illegitimate from the beginning, and his handpicked cronies are still carrying on as if he was some kind of "man of god."
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