As I sat at my computer this morning, I thought that I'd like to put up a new post but I quickly arrived at a dilemma. There is nothing new or even interesting that would make a good topic? You see this blog was set up specifically as a means to warn people of the severe dangers and dire consequences of getting involved with the NTCC. Over the years we've posted true stories about the NTCC leadership systematically abusing it's congregates, vast misappropriation of church funds, known doubles standard practices, known hypocrisy and examples of sexual deviance committed within the NTCC by the NTCC leadership. We gave real examples with real names. Not the least of which were the notorious R.W. Davis, M.C. Kekel, J. Olson, etc. We gave examples of misappropriation of church property and actually posted lands deeds proving our assertions. There have been first hand stories of women in the NTCC being sexually abused by the NTCC leadership who were married. Time frames, locations, etc.
We've given testimonies of children being abused both physically and psychologically by the NTCC leadership. Examples of it being brought to the attention of the NTCC leadership just for nothing to be done other than sweeping it under the carpet in an attempt to cover the NTCC and hide the facts. It's all written right on this blog. The further back you dig into this blog, the more you will find about the KNOWN dastardly deeds committed by members of the NTCC leadership. The NTCC is absolutely and undeniably a truly horrible organization with more dirt than a motocross track. The worst dictators in the world have NOTHING on the NTCC leadership in terms of their cruel, conniving, hideous ways. The NTCC is dirty and dastardly, plain and simple.
I have ZERO respect for the NTCC leadership and it's pastors. I have nothing but disdain for such people. They are willfully blind to the facts. With the age of the internet in full bloom, there is no excuse for not having any interest in knowing the facts. Again, if anyone sincerely wants to know if the NTCC leadership has it's congregates best interest in mind, all they have to do is dig through this blog with an OPEN mind. Lastly, the NTCC teaches false doctrine, bottom line. If you want to know exactly what I'm talking about, just ask in a comment.
By the way, if you get a chance, read the thread below.
Yep. The truth is there. Not to mention one's own internal witness that they've been denying in order to be a part of NTCC.
ReplyDeleteThe sad fact is there are millions of ways to be exploited in this world, NTCC just happens to be the big one that got me. Glad to say that ended in 2009.
I challenge NTCCers to take a month off. Visit other churches or no church. Take your to the money and give to a good charity, help vets or the poor. If your NTCC friends treat you kindly and in a charitable manner during that month. Great, go back. If not, you have your answer. They are only interested in what they can get out of you.
Eric G.
And one time...
NTCC Minister B.S., M.A.
LOL, if you leave for a month you'll be gone for good. No more senseless yelling at the walls at "prayer meetings". Having free time. Having time with friends and family... I never gave that up once I got it back.
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Ah, NTCC Minister B.S. M.A. Real cool. Enjoyed our interaction back in the day. I can't remember who, but someone told me who you were after a good while. I trust that your involvement with the Wilson's was a pleasurable one. Of course I'm sure you knew we were good friends. I hated that they were still part of the NTCC at the time. Had nothing to do with you, just the org as a whole. They are real good people as you well know. And that's why I hate the NTCC as much as I do. I HATE to see people that good being used by such a crooked org. I hate to see their hard earned money supporting the likes of the Kekels, RWD and sorry Olson. Same with Kinson. Same with all those crooks.
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ReplyDeleteI never gave that up once I got it back.
Chief wrote...
Join the club Brother. Life is great. Gerrrrrrrreat. Like Tony the Tiger. The NTCC sucks and life without that sorry organization is great.
Yep, the Wilson's are good people.
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I never did understand those who left the borg and then went back. One whiff of freedom was all it took to reinforce the correctness of my decision to bail. Life is so much better there is no comparison. If you're still trapped, try Eric's suggestion and taste and see that life sans NTCC is good.
ReplyDeleteOld Vic. Still on the firing line. Got to keep on the firing line. LOL. I like firing at them crooks every now and then.
ReplyDeleteYeah, I can't resist the opportunity to lob a grenade or two now and then. Been reading the HOP blog; yeesh--Denis is Davis on steroids. How did we ever get mixed up with all that crap?
ReplyDeleteI don't know Bro. Actually I do know; and quite well at that. The brainwashing game is pretty effective especially to young impressionable people. Especially young impressionism GI's away from their families.
ReplyDeleteMy daughter and her family are members of the church and I have noticed signs of sexual abuse with my 11yr old granddaughter by her father. I am really worried and now the church has told them they need to leave Spokane and go back to Graham yet they had no where to go. I recently went out to wa and had not seen our daughter for 6yrs, she was so secretive but did tell me a brother of the spokane church was just sentenced to 5yrs for doing something to a 7yr old girl yet when I asked what the charges were she said I don't know but I know he would never do that. They are staying with friends from the church and i don't know where. I feel my daughter and granddaughter are in great danger and don't know how to find them.
ReplyDeleteCall the police. Give the information to the authorities. And make absolutely sure that you give only the FACTS. Not what you THINK. Only give the facts. If the facts justify your suspicion, then hopefully the police will take action. That's easy enough.
ReplyDeleteI've learned that I really dislike the vast majority of conservative christian folks. They are some of the most judgemental, stuck up, holier than thou, self righteous people I've ever met in my life. They are really generally not nice people. They spend so much time looking at the outward appearance of everyone else, that they totally overlook at how rotten and nasty they are inside. God forbid that someone looks like this or dress like that. I can't stand that mentality.
ReplyDeleteHa. I'm thinking there is a story there.
ReplyDeleteI never really cared what others did as long as it didn't impact me, until I became part of NTCC. Even then I had a more of a take it or leave attitude. Trying to convince someone of something is misguided and a waste of time. I know holiness folks can be judgmental, I think it's a defensive posture from isolating themselves from mainstream society. I've found that folks subscribing to Calvinism are some of the hardest Christian people you will meet.
Eric
There is a "Hop" blog? Oh fun... Where is it?
ReplyDeleteYup, still don't regret leaving and God and Jesus are still alive and loves us.
ReplyDeleteIt's good you left. The NTCC stinks to high heaven and God knows it. The Bible clearly shows that God can stand religious hucksters like the Pharisees and NTCC leaders.
ReplyDeleteChief,
ReplyDeleteYou should have a "Family reunion day"
August 1st everyone comes on and gives updates to how great life is without the NTCC. Just a thought since you're the only real thread out there still.
The HOP blog is at www.hopcc.com . Apparently HOP recently changed its name to "The Place of Help" Huh? Could anyone even devise a more inappropriate name for that bunch of crooks and swindlers? I guess it's the place they help themselves to whatever they can get from the suckers they've trapped.
ReplyDeleteFinally, a picture of Denis...
ReplyDeleteLooks like a nice guy. Of course they all have that face when they need it.
he looks like a lightweight to me... I'm surprised people would follow him. Doesn't look distinguished in any way.
ReplyDeleteHow did Denis get to be a bigwig? Was he racking up big numbers of people and money?
ReplyDeleteYeah, all we heard about in conferences for a few years was what a wizard he was and how if we would only emulate him we'd "succeed." RW loved him because they were kindred spirits, but he never anticipated getting played like he did. It was delicious!
ReplyDeleteOh if I could have been a fly on the wall... I've read a little bit here and there but I don't know how true it is. Something to the effect Davis pulled out a pocket knife and asked Denis to stab him in the back.
ReplyDeleteSomething tells me this whole thing revolves around the lack of opportunity to become CEO/Master of the universe that Kekel was handed after having done nothing to earn it.
To be honest I don't know if Denis was any good. He sounded like he was reviled within the org. I think Curry followed him out the door though. This may have been a race thing in the end.
Well, if I was black, I'd have been pretty sick of the nigger jokes after awhile too. But I think that was just a smokescreen; Denis is just a bigger narcissist than RW was and didn't want to settle for just being an overseer cruising around in a land yacht, especially when he saw the nepotism firsthand and knew he'd never break through to the top in NTCC.
ReplyDeleteVic, what is the top level? I thought Ashmore was somewhere near the top than poof... He's just a pastor in San Diego.
ReplyDeleteI thought Curry was at the top (preaching at the biggest church in the org) then poof, he left with Denis I believe.
Is it just Kekel's spot? Is that the lone position of power and influence?
I always thought if you made the "Board" you were at the top. I know very little about the inner circle.
RW claimed he "had no friends" and exercised that freedom to throw anyone under the bus on a whim, but it's interesting to see that flesh and blood seem to have preeminence. Generally, the board consisted of those who had "done something for God," with a notable exception--Tanya's husband. Mike went around "evangelizing" for awhile, but the skids were already greased for his meteoric ascent and he never had to "dig a work out" before being promoted right to the top. It was galling to hear him excoriate returning "failed" pioneer preachers knowing he'd been sitting around in the comfort of his imperial station, having had everything delivered to him on a silver platter. How come he became the CEO instead of Olson? We know why. Anyone who isn't part of the royal family is totally expendable. So there is no "inner circle;" there's only an inner family.
ReplyDeleteHey Vic, I have been following the HOPCC/APCC/Place of Help blogs. I personally fear something tragic could occur soon, especially if charges are filed. What is your take Vic?
ReplyDeleteonly an inner family... So how does this thing get passed on as Grant doesn't look to interested in becoming a preacher.
ReplyDeleteSomething tragic has been happening all along. No kidding. Lives have been wrecked often beyond reasonable repair. That's nothing new and I hate to say it but it's the truth. Your fears are already reality. People have killed themselves as a result of the trauma they've experience in the org. Kids have been abused and molested. Don't know how much worse you can get than that.
ReplyDeletePeople have died and left their families with nothing, (Briggs) because they blindly trusted the org and it's leaders. And Briggs isn't the only one. The org is no good.
ReplyDeleteFreebird, the HOP thing is fascinating. Hard to tell what old Rony will do if jail is looming. RW was shrewd enough to fly under the radar, but it looks like HOP pulled out all the stops to collect more loot, and have consequently attracted some unwanted attention. It's never good for a cult to be making the front page of the local news. I work with a lady who lived in Hinesville and she says it's common knowledge that HOP is a weird cult, but I don't think NTCC has anywhere near the notoriety. Denis may just scoop up the money and disappear, or he may go full Jim Jones. Can't tell with these psychos.
ReplyDeleteThanks Vic, luckily I never met Denis face to face.
DeleteHow does it get passed to Grant? Well, a lot of it already has; he's inheriting a house in AZ from RW and has already scored hundreds of thousands in education. NTCC may have been careless with the brazen 39 acre land grab, but we can be sure that the Mike and Phil gang are surreptitiously looting the till and stashing the ill-gotten gains somewhere obscure. I wouldn't be surprised if NTCC collapses financially at some point, but the royals will be set for life after they've finished hollowing it out. I've been in the back room after service and witnessed the peon moneychangers sitting at a table overflowing with cash. Do you think all of it makes it to the church? Who would know if the overlords skimmed half (or more) of it off? We already know they've been guilty of continuing to collect pledges for long-defunct works; what happened to that money? There is zero transparency, and where there's smoke, there's fire. This thing was a scam from the start. RW was a lying salesman who figured out that selling the gospel was the easiest con around. No money tied up in inventory; just get the suckers on the line with some fake bait, reel them in, and empty their wallets. It's a slam-dunk for someone devoid of conscience.
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