Proof: The New Testament Christian Church Got This One All Wrong. Their Chauvinistic Ways And Mindless Mistakes / Deliberate Dereliction Is Costing You A Lot Of Money, Prosperity And Stability.

In the KJV, Titus 2:4-5 reads: "That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, to be discreet, chaste, keepers at home…that the word of God be not blasphemed."

   Oikourgos is a compound based on the word oikos, "house" and ergos "to work" (associated, by folk etymology, with ouros "to guard"). It is translated as if it was a noun (many Greek nouns end in -os). However, the -os noun ending is masculine. Since in this context it is referring to women, the masculine ending would not be correct. Therefore we know that the word is not a noun. Instead, the ending is actually a different suffix: -os in its usage as an adjective-forming verbal suffix. This may seem like much ado about nothing, but it significantly alters the meaning, as you will see.
  The KJV translators saw the word oikourgos as a noun, and since it was describing a person, they took it to mean a certain type of person. Since oikos means "house" and urgos (a form of ouros) comes from a root meaning "to keep", they translated it in the KJV as "keepers at home".

   Later translators confused the meaning even further, believing that the lexical meaning of "keep" in that sense was that of "to stay". 

  So what does the phrase translated "keeper at home" really mean? I’ll get to that in a moment. First, we must consider the ramifications of the mistranslation.

  Hundreds of thousands of Christians, reading the KJV and some newer versions, have taken the misrendered phrase "keeper at home" to be equivalent to the modern word "homemaker." Dozens if not hundreds of Christian books, weblogs, articles, radio interviews, etc. have used the phrase "keeper at home" in their titles. They often misunderstand the verse to mean that all Christian women should be "homemakers". The Conservative Mennonite church has actually made a doctrine out of the mistranslation; they teach that married women (even those who do not have children) should not work "outside the home" or "off the farm". They claim to have "found" this doctrine in Titus 2:5, in the phrase "keepers at home".

  So, first, what oikourgos does not mean: It does not mean "homemaker" or "housewife" in the modern sense, as some mistakenly believe it does. 

  Nor does it mean "stayer at home". It does not mean that women should "stay at home" and must not be involved in external matters or take any work out of the home.
 Now that you know what oikourgos does NOT mean, we are free to discuss what it does mean. As stated above, the word is a descriptive word, not a noun.

  Oiko-, as you should remember from the above explanation, means house. The form -urgos, a form of ouros, means "to keep". In the case of compound words, it means "taking care to keep something (in good condition)".

  The entire word, oikourgos, then means "mindful (or careful) to keep their houses in good condition". Why? "That the word of God be not blasphemed!" The verse is saying that keeping your house clean, orderly, and in repair is a good witness for the Gospel. 

  So you see,  this admonition means something totally different than many Christians believe it does. It has absolutely nothing to do with home economic roles, and everything to do with "public relations" for the Gospel. A disorderly, poorly kept home conveys a lowlife feeling, and speaks poorly for the faith. 

  The oikourgos misrendering ("keepers at home") seems primarily confined to the English language. In Spanish, the SBRV version (which is to Spanish what the KJV is to English) renders the Greek word as que tengan cuidado de la casa ("that they care about the state of the house"), a translation far more accurate than the KJV’s "keepers at home".

  There is no Biblical support whatsoever for the doctrine, held by Conservative Mennonites and certain others, that women must stay at home or on the farm, and not work outside the so-called "domestic sphere". The virtuous woman, in Proverbs 31, is described as doing eleven things "outside the home". She is involved in agriculture and business, and is even politically active (in Hebrew idiom, the "gates" are a synecdoche for political affairs).
   So now you know…the REST of the story.

Nothing New In The New Testament Christian Church

Amy Wrote:

My father was Peter Hoffman (Pete or PT) and my mom was Paula Hoffman.
My older brother was Stephen and my younger was Lance. I was the middle, Amanda.

I'd get boys both young and older teens flipping up my skirt and touching my body. I was even invited to an all boys treehouse. Turns out I was only invited to show off my body which made me feel dizzy with an overwhelming feeling of sickness and like bugs were crawling under my skin. I remember praying to God a lot, but people told me that he only helps you if you're good. I was 5 years old, what did I do that was so horrible that I deserved to have boys touch me and girls pull my hair and throw sharp rocks at me. 

I told my mother everything except the sexual stuff. She wouldn't have believed me. And my father would have said I was asking for it or provoking it or get mad at me for no reason of my doing.

He'd belt me really hard for anything. Like, he had this Lincoln car next to the driveway, with all these bushes and trees close enough to touch it if a breeze came by it'd scratch his car. And every time he'd yell at us and spank us and ground us and take our dinner away until he fell asleep and mom came to get us to eat. He'd lose his keys and blame us, lose his wallet and blame us. He also raped my mom. But, in NTCC marriage rape is allowed.

Did things to me too. He'd hold me down and shove his tongue in my mouth.

I remember going to Rev Kenson about the abuse at home and everything. We were trying "counseling." Can you guess what he did? Instead of guiding my father in how to be a better father and husband, he told my father what I said! OF COURSE my father denied the allegations and my mom did too, both out of fear and thinking to herself "it's not that bad." She had to tell herself that because acknowledging the hell we lived that we couldn't escape was too much for her.

-Amy Weber

Chief wrote:  NTCC People:  Question?  Did you ever read the part (or parts) in the Bible that showed God fearing people standing up for what is moral and right?  Is Kinson still in the NTCC?  Are you going to stand up for what is right.  If not, I don't know how in the word you can even remotely consider yourself to be quote, "saved".  You are not saved at all if you don't question this stuff and do something about it.  Are you going to turn another blind eye to another girl who was getting her dads tongue slammed down her throat?   You NTCC people are sick.  "Sick" and "saved" do not mean the same thing.  You say, "I'm not sick Chief".  Well then do something about it other than just turning a blind eye.   If you turn a blind eye, you are sick.  

Kinson is an absolute moron.  These people should be put in Jail.  Amy's dad should be behind bars.  Amy's Mom, should be tossed into a psycho ward.  That tramp should have called the cops on sorry Peter her husband.  What a bunch of basket cases.  Amy, I don't know how old you are now or the statute of limitations concerning your situation, but you should go the the police and report as much as possible.   This is exactly the problem with the NTCC.  Olson, Kinson, and Kekel are all complicit and should be held responsible.  Your story is one of the many and this stuff will keep happening until someone gets these creeps arrested.  Kinson, you are a straight up chump, punk and a big fat crook.  And by the way Amy, you shouldn't refer to Kinson as "Rev".  He's Kinson the enabler / fat chump. 

Kekel Has A History Of Inappropriate Behavior - You Decide

The picture to the left should be displayed outside the NTCC compound. 

The following testimonies were posted on-line (as far as we can tell) by current or former NTCC members and more specifically, (in some cases) women.    Kekel is something else.   I don't understand why any NTCCers follow that creep. 

Testimony #1: I cleaned M. Kekel's house before too. He hit me on the butt once. I went to Olson about it. M. Kekel claimed he bumped my butt accidently and nothing more was said. It bothered me but I thought I was in the wrong. This confirms I wasn't wrong. He hit my butt on purpose. I think he was testing to see what he could get away with before he tried more

Testimony #2: This is so sad. My wife told after we left NTCC that on a few occassions Michael Kekel's hand had slightly touched her butt when passing him. She was asked to clean his house but never did since he had made her nervous by the slight touching. She felt so guilty about it after leaving bible school. This might be why Michael never seemed to like me.

Testimony #3: We went before the board on something that was said over the pulpit and Kekel flat out denied it. I knew then that he will lie his way out of a situation.

Testimony #4: I was jealous of how much time Julie got to spend at Davis’ house, Ashmore’s house, and Kekel’s house. Now sadly I realize I had no reason to be jealous. I now am so angry that she was dragged to these homes.

Testimony #5: My wife is one of the ladies that cleaned for Tanya and some of the other ladies as well. She told me one day that M. Kekel was in the house and asked to speak with her alone. My wife knew she was to obey the Man of God but her gut just didn't set right. She finally stammered out sir I will gladly speak to you but I would like to wait until my husband is present. My other pastor told me it is not good to be alone with a man including the Man of God. M. Kekel didn't seem happy and told her she could go home. Nothing more was said and she was not allow back to clean. We couldn't figure out what that was all about since nothing happened and not much was said.

Testimony #6: Oh this is what happened that day. I was around that day she was told Kekel wanted to see her at the Lodge. Her son was just an infant. I didn’t see or hear her called to go see him but after she had already gone I was asked to wait for her. I was to take her to the motel where her baby was when the meeting was over. What I am about to say it hard for me to even type.

Julie got out. She didn’t seem okay in fact seemed pretty shook up. She walked or more stumbled to my car. I said Sis. Ridgeway what is wrong, what did you get in trouble for this time. I really didn’t know Julie at all but I had witnessed her being told before this day that one or more of the leaders wanted to speak to her. She got into the car she seemed in a daze. I had to help her get her seat belt on because she seemed unable to focus on the task at hand. What is wrong with this girl something isn’t right?

She starts rocking back and forth mumbling like she isn’t present at all. She said things like I don’t want to do this. I’m dumb stupid I’m yucky. I don’t like the bedrooms. Why must this happen? I want it to stop.

Chief wrote...

So do you NTCCers think all this stuff is simply fabricated and erroneous? Is Kekel the great, "man of God" as so many of you have supposed? I don't think so and in fact I know not. Kekel is a stone cold creep, double standard hypocrite who is touching your women and spending up your money and laughing all the way to the bank. Oh and for those of you who don't know, Julie strongly affirms that Kekel had sex with her in his house in Graham on more than one occasion. If you let your wife go to clean Kekel's house you are a dummy. If you are a woman and you've read these testimonies, and you still go clean Kekel's house, you must be looking for sex from Kekel. If you are an NTCC husband and your wife has read these testimonies, and she still wants to go clean Kekel's house, Kekel will probably have her bent over from the minute she walks through the door and he'll be right behind her pumping away and I'm not talking about pumping fuel at the gas station either. And lastly; if you you've read these testimonies and even a small portion of the rest of this blog and you've still decided to stay in the NTCC, you are a hypocrite, sucker and anything but saved because you are willfully following a predator / con-artist who's sucking up your money like a Dyson vacuum cleaner.

Oh, and another thing. Olson is an absolute low down jerk, degenerate, double standard hypocrite huckster con-artist, wolf in sheep's clothing moron and a complete waist of oxygen. Pam Norton also went to Olson, because R.W. Davis was having sex with her and giving her money so she'd keep her mouth shut and Olson told her to go find another church. Olson is no more than an enabler of criminals, con-artists and creeps. Olson is worse than all of them. I have more respect for Kekel than him. At least Kekel does his own dirty work. Olson is the one who sweeps in under the carpet and covers it all up.

Time for something new.  Been away from this for a while.  I'm sure not many people read this any longer but that's ok.   This blog has served it's purpose over the years.  

1. Is there anyone out there who believes the New Testament Christian Church is a good church and if so why? 

2. Is there anyone out there who believes that if you attend services with the NTCC it will help you have a better chance at making it to heaven?  

3. Is there someone who believes that the more services a week you attend, the better chance you have at making it to heaven?   

4. Lastly, are their people who believe that "no" is the accurate answer to each question and why?

Lets see if people actually still read this thing.

Chief

My Short Story Of Leaving The New Testament Christian Church written by Diana Molino (Bullington)

Below is a testimony written Diana Molino (Bullington) and her experience while in the New Testament Christian Church.  The guy to the left is Olson. For many years now, I've viewed him as the most crooked, dishonest NTCC minister in history.  I'm glad there are still people who like to share their testimonies about life in the New Testament Christian Church.  All the text in RED below, is my reaction to the Kekel's, Davis and Olson's sorry explanations and my reaction to the statements written by Diana. 

My Short Story of Leaving NTCC

I was in NTCC from 2002-2011. I was reached in Anchorage Alaska, went to Seminary in Graham, WA, and worked to build churches in Olympia, WA, Tillicum, WA, and Mildenhall, England.  England was where our eyes were opened to the truth of NTCC.

Even after a year of telling Rev. Olson we couldn't handle it in England anymore, the best he offered was, "We love you, God loves you, we are praying for you, and maybe, just maybe, you will have 100 people in service and someone might write a thousand dollar check."  What a crook, con artist huckster Olson is.  Same old song and dance.  "We Love you, we are praying for you".  What a joke.  Jam 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? Sound familiar.  Olson to a tee.

Then you just press on, right?  But the fact remained, what he said never happened, they were never really concerned for us, and we were ready to leave. England, and the NTCC.

Rev Olson and Pastor Davis had no one to replace us when our two years was about up. They even asked us to extend our visas another two years! After we were adamant about not extending, it was explained that they would've had someone there sooner, but they still had to replace them and the ones replacing them still had to be replaced! Sounds like a lot of replacements. The NTCC's sorry revolving door of failures.  There was a problem because someone that was supposed to replace someone, had left NTCC.  Imagine that. They ought to call NTCC ministers "The Expendables".  Not sure if it was the Annis', but I think they wanted them to replace us.

Rev. Olson had asked, "What about the church?" And we responded, "What about us?"  Go figure. What about the offering plate.  Man who cares about the minister and his wife; they are replaceable - expendable. 

Pastor Davis ended up saying they would close the church.  Ding dong, you just won the prize Davis.  Didn't take a genius to figure that one out. 

This was about one month before our visas were to expire and we were told to sell everything, including the car, and to make as much as we can to buy our plane tickets.

Later, Pastor Davis told us that the church in England was going downhill even before we got there.  Oh my.  Would have been nice to know that from the get go.  Just another failed experiment.  I saw plenty of those while I was a part of the NTCC.  Nothing new there. 

Mike Kekel said he originally didn't even want us to go, and he even offered my husband a lay pastor position back in Graham. Mind you, this was after we said we were not coming back to Graham. He tried buying us with a position.  Keep the money in Graham.  Got to fund the Kekel's lavish lifestyle.  Tanya the spoiled brat with the silver spoon in her mouth needs some new furniture. 
We began to read these blogs and realized many other good people were leaving and we saw people weren't afraid to question the leaders of this organization.

That's why they don't like these blogs.  Yeah baby, I'm sure they won't like this testimony either.  LOL.  

We began to see very similar stories, how NTCC draws people in, and then takes advantage of them. We started looking back, to the beginning, and realized there were so many red flags that we ignored.

Sister Kekel wanted us back in Graham when I told her I decided to get a job. She said that many women in Graham work jobs.  CAN YOU IMAGINE THAT!!!  According to the NTCC crooks, it was a sin for a woman to work.  I knew they couldn't stick with that forever; too much lost tithe dollars with the slave women not working. I responded that I know that, but that they also preach against women working and they look down upon those women. She said her husband has never preached against women working. Really? Rev Kekel?  Dog gone lying hypocrite.  Old compromising Kekel but what's new.  Davis definitely preached it and so did every other NTCC minister I EVER knew.  I knew at that moment she was lying.

I don't say the above in anger, bitterness, or jealousy...I say the above as a proclamation of the DOUBLE STANDARD and HYPOCRISY and GREEDINESS that exists and is allowed in the NTCC leadership and organization. There is so much more to say. I'd love to hear from more people who have left and their story. Lots of young couples have left, but why? Where is the outcry. Why are they staying shut? Are they scared? Of what!? The truth!? Were you made to agree not to talk bad about them?

They say, "If you leave NTCC, you leave God."
A false doctrine.

NTCC truly is a cult.  AMEN SISTER.  PREACH. 
Oh, to hear the stories of others, I'm sure they would be similar.

In love, Diana Molino (Bullington)

Complete Lack Of Wisdom, (Continued).

A while back, Mike Kekel wrote an article on his blog called "Ain't Misbehaven". I'm astounded that Mike would even publish and openly display such information.  Approximately one year ago I posted an article referencing what Mike wrote titled "The Irony Of It All".  Directly below is a link which will take you straight to that article. 

http://truestoriesoflifeinthentcc.blogspot.com/2010/09/irony-of-it-all.html

Anyway, I wanted to repost what M.C. Kekel wrote because I'm still amazed  that he'd be so careless as to throw his father-in-law, RWD under the bus in such a fashion.  Either that, or it's part of yet another New Testament Christian Church master plan to allow in what they've called "compromise" for decades. 

M.C. Kekel wrote and I quote...

"I do not make the rules, and have only recently had opportunity to affect them. In the past I have only been in the unfortunate position of having to enforce them. That doesn't mean I agreed with them. If so be they were mistakes, they weren't mine. As for the church organization? I have nothing to do with policies and doctrines of the organization concerning things like TV (which ministers aren't to have if they carry license in NTCC- unless it is solely as a gaming monitor or something, and not connected to TV input) and couldn't change them if I wanted to. If that gets changed, Rev. Olson will have to do it by mandate or through board approval. I have no such power. Even in the Bible School realm I am limited."

"My influence on the bible school rules has only been to lighten them, not increase them. Further, since I wasn't a bible school student during that time, I was not UNDER those rules. The sports rule was not bible based to begin with, and was for bible school students. Not me."

Chief said... 

These statements absolutely amaze me!!!!!! They're jaw dropping.  I don't know how anyone in the New Testament Christian Church could ignore these statements if they have a conscience or any intelligence or common sense.  Do you really trust the NTCC leadership with the task of guiding you to heaven?  Really?  There are two people who are key leaders in the NTCC;  namely R.W. Davis and M.C. Kekel.   These statements (written by one NTCC executive board member, namely M.C. Kekel) made a complete mockery of the Founder of the NTCC, namely R.W. Davis.  Who do you think came up with all the rules and or endorsed every last one?  RWD!!!   Basically Mike wrote, (and of course I'm paraphrasing here) that he was the unlucky scapegoat who had the dubious distinction of having to enforce a bunch of bogus rules that he didn't agree with and had nothing to do with in the first place.   Boy if that ain't throwing RWD, and the rest of the general board under the bus, I don't know what in the world is?  

Listen here, armed with this information, I'd have no reason to believe that God inspired one single rule that RWD ever spewed out of his big fat mouth.   "Ask permission to go visit who"?  "Ask permission to stop where"?  "Ask permission to accept a job"?  "Ask permission to date or talk to who"?  "Stand against the wall just to talk to a woman"?  "You said it's a sin for all women to work"?  "Where is that rule found in the Bible, Proverbs 31"? "REALLY, ARE YOU SERIOUS, ARE YOU KIDDING ME"?  

Obey them that have rule over you?  When I know that they have a history of coming up with a bunch of bogus rules that Kekel doesn't even agree with, and he considers himself to be  unfortunate for even having to enforce them?  REALLY?  Huh!!  Never again.   I'm a grown man with a family to look out for.   You can follow a bunch of stupid rules and con artists if you want to but I'm not the one.

Chief  

P.S.  I wouldn't follow M.C. Kekel or RWD to find a toilet (say no less as spiritual leaders) if I had diarrhea.

As I sat at my computer this morning, I thought that I'd like to put up a new post but I quickly arrived at a dilemma.  There is nothing new or even interesting that would make a good topic?  

You see this blog was set up specifically as a means to warn people of the severe dangers and dire consequences of getting involved with the NTCC.   Over the years we've posted true stories about the NTCC leadership systematically abusing it's congregates, vast misappropriation of church funds, known doubles standard practices, known hypocrisy and examples of sexual deviance committed within the NTCC by the NTCC leadership.  We gave real examples with real names.  Not the least of which were the notorious R.W. Davis, M.C. Kekel, J. Olson, etc.  We gave examples of misappropriation of church property and actually posted lands deeds proving our assertions.  There have been first hand stories of women in the NTCC being sexually abused by the NTCC leadership who were married.  Time frames, locations, etc.  

We've given testimonies of children being abused both physically and psychologically by the NTCC leadership. Examples of it being brought to the attention of the NTCC leadership just for nothing to be done other than sweeping it under the carpet in an attempt to cover the NTCC and hide the facts.  It's all written right on this blog.  The further back you dig into this blog, the more you will find about the KNOWN dastardly deeds committed by members of the NTCC leadership.   The NTCC is absolutely and undeniably a truly horrible organization with more dirt than a motocross track.  The worst dictators in the world have NOTHING on the NTCC leadership in terms of their cruel, conniving, hideous ways.  The NTCC is dirty and dastardly, plain and simple.   

I have ZERO respect for the NTCC leadership and it's pastors. I have nothing but disdain for such people.  They are willfully blind to the facts.   With the age of the internet in full bloom, there is no excuse for not having any interest in knowing the facts.   Again, if anyone sincerely wants to know if the NTCC leadership has it's congregates best interest in mind, all they have to do is dig through this blog with an OPEN mind.  Lastly, the NTCC teaches false doctrine, bottom line.  If you want to know exactly what I'm talking about,  just ask in a comment.  

By the way, if you get a chance, read the thread below.  

To the left is a picture of the late R.W. Davis in his younger days; probably around the time that he knew Pam Morris (Norton).

About 7 years ago, I was on what was formerly known as the "Yahoo group".  Basically it was an Internet based social group of ex-NTCCers who were sharing their experiences, (horror stories) while in the NTCC. Pam Morse (Norton) was on the group and she posted this letter which she wrote to the group.  This letter came first hand from her. I was on the group forum the day she posted it.  She stated that she regularly had sex in some form of fashion with R.W. Davis. 

Could she have resisted?  Sure but that is a whole lot easier said than done in a cult when the leaders of that cult and specifically Davis have such control of your life.  Now, Diana Taylor said that Davis came to her place one time when her husband was not home and she flat out refused to let him enter.  But you know what, it's not the same for each person and Diana Taylor was no doubt more mature and Diana Taylor's mother didn't raise her in the organization like the sick, sad, sorry mother or Pam Morris (Norton) namely Barbara Norton Warwick.   Now Barbara Norton Warwick is a sick twisted woman.   

Do I think that Davis used and abused his position in order to gain the confidence of a YOUNG woman who was a member of his church and the wife of a husband who worked for Davis and was also his church member?  You better believe it.  Do I think that Davis manipulated a much younger woman, namely Pam, and used strong powers of persuasion to gain unsolicited access to her blouse and dress/pants?  You better believe it!!!  Do I think that Davis the con artist double standard hypocrite used proven known cult tactics to brainwash his church to such a degree that he could have so much control over specifically (young impressionable women) that he could manipulate this particular situation in such a way so as to get Pam to "allow" him to have sex with her?   No doubt.  

Now for the record, Pam did not say that Davis had intercourse with her but in my book, touching breasts, hand in her pants, and fondling is hardly any different and in most cases certainly leads to intercourse.  You can make a guy or girl get off with your hand or mouth, it doesn't take "private part to part" contact.  I'm not saying that Pam got off either.  Having said that, Davis wasn't just going by Pam's house "daily" to shoot the breeze, (the actually frequency unknown) so there was definitely some stuff going on.  If Davis could manipulate your mind, he could manipulate your body also, so to what degree that Pam "allowed" Davis' advancements, we'll never know, but I do know that Davis wasn't going by there to play tiddlywinks and he knew what he was there for and so did Pam.

Was Pam a victim???  You best believe it.  Rape victim?  In a court of law?  Possible, but somewhat of a stretch as to whether or not you'd ever get that one to stick.  Does Pam feel she was raped?  Most definitely.  She said so.  Is Davis a scum bag either way you look at it?  If you don't think so you are an idiot.  Rape, adultery, sex outside marriage....   Once I read this letter, Davis wouldn't have ever given me one ounce of spiritual advise and neither would Kekel or Olson for that matter.  Kekel and Olson are just a guilty as Davis because they brushed it under the carpet and ran Pam off to shut her up.   I wouldn't stay in the NTCC with this knowledge.  Your an idiot if you do.  Are you stupid enough to believe that Pam would have admitted to this if it never happened?  She said she allowed it for crying out loud.  Who would lie about that?   What benefit would it be to Pam to ADMIT that she allowed a man 3 to 4 times her age to have sex with her if it never even happened??? 

Letter from Pam Morse: 

He made sexual advances towards me when I was a teenager. When I finally did speak up and began to tell people such as Olson, he said he could not except it and it would be best for me to find another church to go to. He also said I had to have 3 witnesses. Kekel did not do anything. When I told my mother, one of her negative comments that she had made several years ago was, "Out of all the pretty girls, why would he pick you Pam? To this day we have no relationship because of this. She says that I'm lying and that God will judge me for this.

Davis knew what he was doing. He came to my apartment when Johnny was at work. (Johnny was employed by Davis and so he knew where he was at all times.) He told me I was pretty and he wanted to make love to me. He had his hands down my pants, on my breast etc and fondling my body to put it bluntly. I allowed him to do this. I really did not believe he was sinning at the time. I remember asking God "Why do you allow him to do this to me? Then he gets up and preaches fire and brimstone and yet the very next day he would do it all over again. I began to tell myself that it's ok. It's pastor. This is how sick I was in my thinking. Thinking it was ok and he could not sin.

He would also give me money. Sometimes, by the end of the week I had more money than my husband did. He would ask me where it came from and I told him Rev. Davis gave it to me. I realize now that he was basically paying me to shut my mouth. He did not love me like I thought he did, like a daughter. He was using me to get in my pants and that's all it was.

The NTCC Blowviator

The NTCC has a way of twisting the scriptures.  With little research and a functional brain, even the most novice of theologians can distinguish fact from fiction or what simply doesn't make good sense.  

An unknown individual posted this message a few threads back and I thought it would make for a good discussion.    

Anon said...

We've attended NTCC in Alabama and they're teaching about Holy Ghost Baptism-A SEPERATE Baptism with "FIRE" Holy Ghost saying that you are saved but have to wait for a second baptism in the HOLY GHOST and Speaking in tongues is indeed the evidence of it - telling people basically your saved but in essence not that saved if you don't have the Holy Ghost (This is as I know it to be a Pentecostal belief) and the scriptures they give to substantiate their claim don't coincide with it at all much like their tithing scriptures ? I don't believe that and never have ... This teaching seems to cause a division/superiority among members and often leave those who believe this wondering "Why" they have not "Yet" Received the Baptism of the HOLY GHost ? Then as I stated They say their are 6 OTHER BAPTISMS ! What Do U Think Of This?

Anon 2 replied...

Here is what the Bible says:

1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 

1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

....In the Bible these are all rhetorical questions. The answer is NO. So here is my point.The NTCC teaches that everyone who has "The Holy Ghost" will speak in tongues but the Bible clearly suggests otherwise. So they coax people into speaking in tongues and say they all have the gift of tongues but here is the ironic part. When Briggs had cancer and died, where was the gift of healings? When Ramirez got sick and died, where were the healings? They weren't because people in the NTCC have not been given that gift so therefor there was no healing to be had. What about interpreting tongues? Not that one either? So the point is I simply don't buy it?  What about making the blind see?  Not that miracle either?  The lame walk?  Oh, I guess not that one either.  What about water into wine?  Multiplying the fishes maybe?  Oh, I see but they all can speak in tongues.  Again, I don't buy it.  

So thousands of NTCCers all speak in tongues, (because I witnessed them uttering something) but I never saw someone healed when they were sick like with cancer or something tangible like that. Oh my headache got better doesn't work for me.  Quite honestly NTCCers can knowingly or unknowingly fake some noises with their mouth, but there was no one who could heal Briggs when everyone knew he was dying of cancer and of course he died. NTCCers are fake knowingly or not. It's just that simple. 

Chief said...

I've seen some many people in the NTCC leave the NTCC who supposedly did receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.  Then the NTCC pastor claimed they were not saved.  So what, did they ever really get the Holy Ghost?  So does that suggest that their tongue talking was fake all along.  So Denis never really had the Holy Ghost?  What about Reed?  Taylor?  Blumenthal?  Both Sister and Brother?  Shunk?  So none of them ever really had the Holy Ghost or the Holy Ghost really wasn't able to keep them which according to the NTCC made them no different than someone who never got the Holy Ghost in the first place.  

Lets be real here and stop all this hocus pocus.   The NTCC leadership doesn't have a clue who in fact really has the Holy Ghost and who doesn't and my questions are guaranteed proof.  If the NTCC version of speaking in tongues was proof then none of these so called, (Holy Ghost filled) saved brothers and sisters would have ever left the NTCC in the first place.  They supposedly "Lost out with God" which, (according to the NTCC false prophet leaders) wouldn't ever happen if they got baptized with the Holy Ghost for real in the first place.  So what, it wasn't for real?  So their speaking in tongues wasn't real?  So are the only real tongue talkers the ones who stay in the NTCC?  

It's a bunch of hog wash and if you have a functional brain, and with this knowledge, you should able to see right through these NTCC fakers.  

Daddy, Can I Invite A Girl Out To Play?

I'm just reposting stuff that was written a while back.   

To all you single Brothers:   If you'd ever get a backbone the picture to the left could be you a whole lot sooner than you think.   Yeah!!! 

Kris wrote...

The NTCC has a way of keeping a lot of single men single for many years until they reach their 30's or more.

Jeff said...

Ain't that the truth.  Some of those single ministers completely give up on having a woman after a while.   Pastor Bentley is a prime example.   That dude probably hasn't had a woman for close to 15 years I would guess.   The NTCC is a cult which can be evidenced by it's leadership not wanting their people to marry someone who is not part of the New Testament Christian Church.  Well guess what that does to the men?   They often find it quite hard to get a woman and often even harder to get a good looking woman.   I've personally witnessed occasions where a desperate NTCC man took an extremely homely women to be his wife.   Hey, I'm calling it like I see it.  I didn't name names.   I'm certainly not the best looking man so if you aren't the best looking woman, you are who you are and it is what it is.  

Then you have the New Testament Christian Church leadership placing all kinds of dating restrictions on their personnel.   Mike and Tanya certainly didn't have that many restrictions placed on them when Tanya was only 15 and 16 years old and Mike was feeling her up.   You're an idiot if you let the NTCC leadership influence who you date.   You're being treated like a child if you stand against the wall or ask permission just to speak with a woman.   Why in the world would you allow some NTCC creep to dictate when you can or can't talk to a woman?  That is ridiculous.   So you are a single guy and they will only let you talk to NTCC women or "girls" yeah that's right "girls" and then you have to ask permission to talk to them?  When you are in conference, which may be the only time you even get a chance to meet a single woman or in the NTCC's case a single "girl",  you can't even talk to them there.  What gives? 

Here is what you need to do single guys.  Boycott that mess. Go to conference and walk up to some fine Sister, (if there are any) and plainly ask, "Could I get your phone number and give you a call sometime."  If she gives you her number then immediately ask,  "Hey, before conference is over, maybe we can go out and get something to eat".   Don't ask permission because that is childish.   Don't let the bully control mongers treat you like a child.   Take the girl out, call her up, hang out with her as much as possible and then if you guys like each other, TELL THE NTCC LEADERSHIP YOU WILL BE GETTING MARRIED.   DON'T ASK.  

The reason some of you guys don't have a woman is because you lack self confidence.  Don't walk up to a lady all stuttering because you are all worried about old lying RWD or Kekel the control monger.  Tell the woman she looks nice and you'd like to take her out to dinner. If you can't do that, it's alright.  Go half your life without a woman if you want to, I'm not the one.  My wife and I got married and I didn't ask some dummy for permission and we have a little boy together and I didn't ask permission to do that either.  We made it happen if you know what I'm talking about.  Botta, boom, batta, bing.  Yeah.  Get some back bone and stop allowing some NTCC control freak to keep you frustrated for decades.   If you can't find a woman in the NTCC find one outside the NTCC.  Visit other churches.  Did I say that?  You better believe it.  There are more fish in the sea then you'll ever find in the NTCC.   Then bring your fine wife back and show all those other brainwashed, frustrated brothers how good she looks.  Yeah!!!!!   Maybe then they'll stop asking permission to talk to someone of the opposite sex.  


Jeff 

The Million Dollar Trailer

To the left is a picture of Davis, (when he was alive) swimming in cash.  The dude in the picture actually kind of looks like Kinson.  Haha.  

The trailer I'm referring to is the serviceman's home in Augusta that has been there about 35 years, (an educated estimate).  I used to live in that trailer back in 1986 when I attended BNCOC at Fort Gordon.  The pastor in Augusta (lower case p) at the time was Medrano.  A trailer like that back in those days probably cost maybe $20,000 - $30,000 if that???  Certainly not much more especially knowing Davis who naturally wouldn't pay top dollar for anything.  Can't blame him for that.  I actually wrote up a design for the steeple on the church building while I was in BNCOC.  That wouldn't have cost much either as it was very small sanctuary which no doubt got funded by donations from GI's and an over inflated rent charged by Davis.  Well back to the trailer specifically. 

Don wrote this statement:  That Trailer was there in 83 when I started attending church. I know it wasn't new either because there were pictures in an album from the previous pastor. The pastor at that time was Cyrius and before that I believe it was Taylor.  I'm not sure exactly what year it was purchased in but I know it's probably around 80 or 81, just a guess.

M. Reed wrote this statement:  Also when we were at Ft. Gordon, GA, the dumpy old trailer home which had been there forever was supposedly behind in payments when we arrived. I asked, when is this going to be paid off? Oh, it's coming. When? We got it current and kept paying until we left, and we never got an answer.

Chief wrote...

So here is the moral of the story. Lets assume that trailer has been there since 1980 which by all accounts is quite plausible and likely with Don being there in 83 and pictures of the trailer showing it there previously.  The point being, we all remember the trailer and the minimum amount of time it's existed as property of the NTCC. 

So assuming the pastor sent approximately $800 a month, times 35 years, times 12 months per year you come up with  $336,000 paid for a $22,000 trailer (approx) with a little small sanctuary which no doubt was paid for when it was built.  And this is why we, (Don and I) decided to title this thread "The Million Dollar Trailer".  Of course based on my rough estimates, $1,000,000 hasn't been shelled out for the trailer but $300,000 is an absolutely ridiculous amount of money to be sent to Graham for such an inexpensive dwelling.   This is just another example of how the NTCC leadership has SOAKED it's ministers over the years.  M. Reed was sending money to Graham for that trailer years and years after I lived there which is proof that the NTCC leadership will keep requiring payments on a building long after it's been payed for many times over and over and over again.  When are you NTCC people going to wake up?
Don't let the NTCC leadership confuse the issue here with the monthly payment amount because even at $700 a month, the servicemen and pastors would have shelled out $294,000 which is a down right rip off for a crummy little trailer with a match box sanctuary.   $30,000  at $700 a month would have been payed off in just over three years, 42 months to be exact. This means that the NTCC leadership has been incorporating the practice of EXCESSIVE usury, which we can find to be a forbidden practice in the Old Testament.  

Exo 22:25 If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.

Lev 25:36 Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee. Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.

Deu 23:19  Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:

Chief 25:36   Thou shalt not rent him thy serviceman's homes and church building for increase.  

Well the NTCC leadership specializes in exacting usury upon it's brethren and if you can't see that you are blind as a bat.  Oh again I forgot.  Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy doesn't apply to the NTCC unless of course it's for the purpose of enslaving women.  Silly me.   

The NTCC leadership which includes Olson, Kekel, Dead Davis, Defrancesco, Johnson and previously Ashmore are crooked money lenders who's main goal is to make an increase and exact usury upon their brethren.  This is wicked conniving crookedness.

The Advanced School Of Theology, AKA Advanced School Of "Soak Your Brother Ology"

Vic Johanson wrote...

I used to attend RW's sham "Advanced School of Theology." Money was almost all he talked about. One time he was showing us how we should stick our money in Savings Bonds. He was doing the math on how much we would end up with investing $25/week. He made a decimal placement error in the calculations and had everyone thinking they'd be an order of magnitude richer than reality would dictate. It was like "stick $25/week in low-yielding government savings bonds and you'll be a millionaire in 20 years." Not by a longshot, Rodger.

The textbook for AST was "The Law of Success" by Napoleon Hill. Lots of good advice for secular prosperity, but Napopleon Hill was an occultist who believed in the Ascended Masters, evolved humans who have lived thousands of years and communicate via mental telepathy and can psychicly project themselves out of their bodies. Yeah, that was some really advanced theology, all right, especially for a "holiness" institution.

He did tell us the real secret though. It's OPM--"Other Peoples' Money." There he was telling us to our faces that the secret to his own wealth was the money he'd extracted by various means from other people (including us). From tithes, to dorm rent, to tuition, to "love offerings," to the tablespoon of salsa that they sold in the "fellowship" hall for 75 cents--all of it was designed to cause OPM to flow up the pyramid. Some people are willing to be users and abusers, and they prosper in NTCC. The rest go broke.

Chief wrote...

I sat through a few of Davis' investment teaching messages.  One was in Germany and I remember it quite well. Of course it was all a scam because in the NTCC, you never really had enough money to make any decent investments. You spent too much time giving it away to the NTCC and not enough time keeping it to invest.  I also listened to Davis tell everyone how he "prayed" to God that one day he'd become a millionaire and of course it happened.  Clearly Davis was preoccupied with figuring out ways to accumulate wealth which placed him in the category of having the "love of money" which the Bible tell us is the root of all evil.  OPM hey?  Well he sure got plenty of that because it all roles up hill in the NTCC.  

I wonder why I can't find one example in the New Testament Bible of this type of money exchange taking place in the early church.  Do we find evidence that Paul, James, Peter or John lived in a mansion or road around in a real nice chariot with big fat horses pulling it along?  Did the Apostles travel around in a large private sea going vessel compliments a bunch of tithe payers or world missions pledges?   Things that make you go hmmmm....

Chief's advanced school of investmentology.  Never give your money to rich millionaire church leaders.  If you want to give as unto the Lord, do it the Lord's way.  Give to people who need it like the fatherless or widow or the less fortunate in the church. 

Examples: Jam 1:27, Rom 15:26 or 1 Cor 16:1&2 which by the way has nothing to do with paying tithe like the NTCC suggests in their doctrinal statement.  Compare Rom 15:26 and 1 Cor 1&2 and you'll see they are dealing with the same event.  These scriptures deal with taking up a collection for "POOR SAINTS" which contrary to what the NTCC teaches doesn't have jack to do with paying tithe.  1 Cor 16:1&2 defined in Strongs.  It's obvious if you know how to read and how to use your brain. This is another NTCC lie designed to mislead and deceive.  How about Acts 4:35?  When was the last time you saw Davis or Kekel try that one.  Davis and Kekel have taught that Peter and John were misguided socialists in Acts 4.   Amazing how they can twist the scriptures to suit their needs when it's convenient.  If you aren't sure what those scriptures are just click on them.  Mat 25:40.  That's what giving unto the Lord is all about.  Not paying tithes to some rich greedy multi mega millionaire like Davis and Kekel and watch them live like kings while you live from paycheck to paycheck.  

The New Testament Christian Church Will Steal And Waste Your Life. You Won't Get It Back.

I've been warning people for years but too many people haven't given heed to my warnings.  The NTCC will really mess  you up.  What if you live to the age of 80?  If you spend 20 years in the NTCC and finally come to the realization that the NTCC leadership is in fact no more than a bunch of con artists, (which it is) you've just thrown away a QUARTER of your life.  Most NTCCers have no idea how damaging that can be to an individual.  It will have a major lasting effect on the rest of your life.  It will really mess up your life emotionally, financially and psychologically.   

I know so many people who've been messed up by the NTCC it's mind boggling.  Most never totally get over trauma associated with having been a part of the NTCC.  You don't clearly see the damage being caused while you are in but it becomes painfully obvious once you get out.  You can't get all those years of life back. Families broken up, marriages wrecked which should have never been in the first place.  Childhoods destroyed, forever lost and wasted.  I really wish NTCC people could see the light but I know from experience that most can't.  They won't see it until it's too late but then the damage will have already been done. Irreversible damage.  

I know of a couple who were in the ministry for about 15 years in the NTCC.  The NTCC messed them up.  This husband and wife combo messed up other people pretty bad while they were in the ministry.  The NTCC leadership misguided them and screwed them over. Nothing good came from the entire debacle.  Now the church is gone like I predicted years ago.  Another example is the Oberhausers.  An experiment gone bad.  A minister who's preaching couldn't bring a horse to water in the middle of a desert. From Graham to Columbus back to Graham to Savannah to who knows where now. A complete waste time and a legacy of pure failure.  Never one ounce of success in the ministry and you expect me to believe that God was behind all that???  So God sent them to Columbus?  God sent them to Savannah?  God sent them back to Graham to be recycled?  Bologna. The Graham crooks sent them everywhere they went.  And why do the crooks bring people back to Graham?  To keep a steady cash flow rolling to line the Kekel's pockets and if you think otherwise you are completely misguided and deceived.  

The whole thing is so sad.  I get no joy out of writing this stuff. Thank God I got out of that mess when I did.  Life has been so good since I left the NTCC.   Unlimited blessings have flowed my way.  It never stops.  The NTCC is a curse and to find your way out of the NTCC's mess is a blessing.  The problem is, in many cases, the NTCC caused so much damage to so many lives, even after people leave the NTCC the negative effects are often irreversible.   A wasted life in America.  Born in the United States, the land of opportunity, only to throw it all away following a bunch of con artist cult leaders.  What a shame and what a waste. 

Chief