Yes SIR!!! I'll follow your rules but first, can I go back to pick up my brain? Maybe I can figure out where I left it?
The word is, Kekel took down many of the threads which he had previously posted on his own blog. I guess old Mikey decided (or it was decided for him) that much of his propaganda was not good at helping the NTCC's cause.
Which ever the case much of the data would appear to have been removed, away from the public eye. It doesn't surprise me. He did make old RDub look pretty bad with the "Ain't Misbehaven" thread. Mike basically said that he never supported certain rules which old RDub had initiated. Before the information became un-viewable, here is some of what Mike wrote:
"I do not make the rules, and have only recently had opportunity to affect them. In the past I have only been in the unfortunate position of having to enforce them. That doesn't mean I agreed with them. If so be they were mistakes, they weren't mine. As for the church organization? I have nothing to do with policies and doctrines of the organization concerning things like TV (which ministers aren't to have if they carry license in NTCC- unless it is solely as a gaming monitor or something, and not connected to TV input) and couldn't change them if I wanted to. If that gets changed, Rev. Olson will have to do it by mandate or through board approval. I have no such power. Even in the Bible School realm I am limited."
Jeff said...
Look at what Kekel wrote. He wrote that he was in the "unfortunate position" of having to enforce the rules. WOW!!!!! He should have just slapped old RDub in the face with that statement. Then Mike wrote that it didn't mean that he agreed with the rules. In other words he didn't. What Mike was saying is that he didn't agree with his father in law because let's face it, RDub is the one who came up with the stupid rules in the first place. Now Kekel is openly stating that even though they were in fact NTCC rules, it didn't mean he agreed with them. Well isn't that a novel concept. Kekel doesn't agreed with God? Isn't RWD and the General Board supposed to be considered men of God? In conference I heard RWD say, "if you have a problem with me you have a problem with God". Well it's obvious that Kekel had and has a problem with RWD's rules. None of us could have gotten away with that one. That is nepotism at it's best. Then Mike suggested that the rules may have been quote "mistakes". I didn't know that God made mistakes because surely RWD had openly stated that he'd never missed God and everything he did had been directed by the Holy Ghost. Then Mike said that he had quote "NOTHING" to do with certain policies and doctrines of the organization. The bottom line is that Mike Kekel (in writing) dogged his father in law, the NTCC leadership and the organization. I don't know how you could look at it any other way.
Then Mike wrote...
"My influence on the bible school rules has only been to lighten them, not increase them. Further, since I wasn't a bible school student during that time, I was not UNDER those rules. The sports rule was not bible based to begin with, and was for bible school students. Not me."
Jeff said...
So Kekel is admitting here that the rules were too stringent hence the need to, and I quote, "lighten them". Boy that sure does put old RDub's and the general boards decision making abilities in question. Mike said that "the sports rule was not bible based to begin with." So I wonder what rule these control mongers have come up with over the years that have been quote "Bible based"? Mike said the sports rule wasn't for him. I guess the NTCC leadership forgot to tell their sorry abusive pastors (who'd incidentally had been taught by the NTCC leadership), that the rules against organized sports participation shouldn't apply to church members either. They sure preached against it enough, I can tell you that. The fact is at this point, any sensible person should question every decision, standard and or rule that anyone in the NTCC leadership ever came up with.
I don't believe in following some bogus guidance that Kekel has clearly pointed out isn't and wasn't Bible based to begin with. I don't know how you NTCCers can stick around and follow these control mongers who's decision making abilities are clearly in question here. I'd rather follow a blind, three legged dog if I was blind also. I'd make it a whole lot further in life. How in the world can an intelligent person deny what I've just typed? I didn't write Kekel's statements, he did, and they just confirmed what I've been saying all along. What do I know, I'm just a bitter, hater who turned down the opportunity to attend the NTCC's "SCHOOL OF RULES" who an NTCC pastor said of me that "my house meant more to me than the calling of GAWD". Well knowing what I know now, I'd rather follow someone who "called" me to shovel crap than attend a non accredited school full of ridiculous rules that according Kekel himself aren't even Bible based to begin with. Get some of that. Above and highlighted in red are some excerpts of what Kekel decided to remove from his blog. When are you NTCCers going to wake up out of your slumber. Thank God that he gave me the fortitude and clearness of sight and mind to leave the NTCC, move on with my life, and get it back in the right direction. Nothing wrong with following Jesus but the NTCC leadership is corrupt and self serving and this blog is full of evidence which proves as such.
Jeff
46 comments:
Jeff,
You don't miss much, glad you are here to point out these blunders that kekel makes. The first time I looked at the kekel blog I could hardly believe that he was devoting so much time to damage control. I had been away from ntcc for 14 years and could hardly believe what I was reading. Reading your's and Deb and Greg's blog had a big role in allowing me to see what ntcc is all about.
Seeing kekel devoting all his time to X-er damage control helped me realize how severely out of touch these cult members are. I guess if you "throw a rock into a pack of dogs, the one that gets hit yelps the loudest". kekel seems to be doing a lot of yelping lately. If he were doing right he would concentrate on posting blogs that were edifying to the body of Christ, but what we have here is not the true church but a cult that is being taught not the word of God but a bunch of hypocritical phony rules that control peoples lives and keep them in constant fear.
I'm so glad that I woke up and discovered that God does not intend for us to serve him out of fear. I would not want a child or even a dog to love me because they were constantly afraid of me. The Parent's love is what makes a family stay together, not being a strict disciplinary tyrant, always correcting and belittling folks.
I do however sympathize with some of these ntcc'ers in the sense that I was once just like them, oblivious to the cult deceptions and following the ntcc brainwashing doctrine. Others of the ntcc cult I think will be held accountable because they know what they are doing and they are purposely deceiving folks for monetary gain and for power.
I think what we are doing is providing a helpful and healing service to those that follow our blogs. The progress seems slow at times but there are a number of people that follow our blogs that know that something is wrong albeit they are afraid to make that move. I believe that the lights will come on for many soon and people will see that it all was a big lie, a sick joke and they will wake up one day and realize that God is not a cruel task master that expects them to be perfect. Until then we will be here for them, as a lighthouse to help them find they're way back to reality.
Don and Ange wrote...
"I do however sympathize with some of these ntcc'ers in the sense that I was once just like them"
Jeff wrote...
And that is exactly why this blog exists. I'm trying to help prevent folks from having to endure what I went through while I was in the NTCC. Additionally all the wasted time, money and the abuse my family endured. I certainly sympathize with them which once again is the only reason this blog exists.
Take care Don and Ange.
Jeff
"Yes SIR!!! I'll follow your rules but first, can I go back to pick up my brain? Maybe I can figure out where I left it?"
why do you mock
sounds arrogant
The moral of the story here is you're nuts if you allow RWD or Kekel to be your leader. Obviously the things taught by RWD will certainly be overturned and undone. Secondly it's obvious, (just like I've been saying all along) that Kekel has never agreed with RWD's and the organizations rules. So having quite clearly concluded this, why would you allow either one of them to lead you? The only logical answers are you are not man or woman enough to stand on your own outside the NTCC because you know no other life and you are afraid that your family and ex-friends will say, "I told you so"!!!!
I'll tell you this; it didn't stop me. I figured out a while ago that there were double standards and divisions in the NTCC not the least of which being between the two head honchos; Kekel and RWD. Kekel and Tanya have never agreed with much of the holiness rules which is why things are changing. Kekel has clearly admitted that with his own writing as I've proved with this very thread. So the NTCC is going to get you to heaven hey? You are not only wasting your money but you are wasting your time with an organization that clearly in the midst division at the very roots.
Being armed with this information I wouldn't even consider allowing Kekel or Davis to be my spiritual guide. This whole debacle put all their pastors in question also because Davis and Kekel and Tanya taught every one of them. These guys don't have a clue.
No sports one day, sports the next. No TV one day, TV the next. Certain rules one day, the same rules are gone the next. Tough rules for the students which put people through hell one day, Kekel admittedly tried to quote, "lighten them" the next. One day the rules supposedly came from God, the next day the CEO or the Org writes that he never agreed with the rules and they may have been a quote, "mistake".
Oh my goodness, what a complete joke of an organizational leadership.
Like I've been saying all along, these guys couldn't lead me to the latrine if I had diarrhea.
That's alright, just keep wasting your life NTCC folks. It's going to be a sad day when you are in your 50s, 60s, and 70s, and you finally come to the harsh realization that you've completely thrown your life away following a bunch of guys that are anything but men of God. Folks if God only spared Noah and his family during the flood, you ain't going to get a bi when you lived your life doing anything but God will while following a bunch of double standard hypocrites. Face it folks, you've been deceived by the same group of NTCCers that I was deceived by. Just keep following Kekel and see where that gets you?
Jeff
Anonymous asked...
why do you mock? sounds arrogant.
Jeff said...
Because I'm trying to wake folks up. Every NTCC pastor that I've ever heard preach mocked folks in their congregation during church service. Prespeloopian, Bapticostal, and making fun of Catholics constantly who happen to be the ones now teaching Grant Kekel at his new college. You talk about arrogant!!! Those NTCC crooked preachers making statements like "if you have a problem with me you have a problem with God". Now that is arrogant to the utmost. One doesn't even know the meaning of arrogance and mockery until they've listened to an NTCC preacher run his mouth from behind the pulpit. They are constantly arrogant and they are constantly mocking people and you know it. This happens to be my way of giving them a dose of their own medicine. I'm treating them the same way they've treated their congregates for decades.
The fact is I bought off on most of those rules for a good many years while I was in the NTCC and the only reason I did it was because I had also left my brain at the entrance of the NTCC church. That is one of the the only reasons that RWD taught to go after military folks because they wanted folks who were trained to follow every stupid rule and order they could dream up. The other reason is because for the most part military folks have money and RWD said that openly.
I questioned some of their foolish rules and misinterpretations but certainly not nearly enough. I had blind trust in a so called spiritual leader that ultimately resulted in me turning off my brain while ignoring what should have been good common sense.
I was saying, "yes sir and no sir" when a whole lot more often I should have been saying, "what in the world are you talking about man"? "That doesn't make any sense at all". "You acted like a jerk today behind the pulpit, ppppastor"!!!
You are exactly right, I was making a mockery of all this blind loyalty to these crooked double standard leaders. You should be mocking yourself and saying, "boy was I stupid for following guys like Kekel and RWD". "Yes sir no sir, ha, boy was I a dummy".
Jeff
in the lake of fire there is no mockery
Anonymous said...
in the lake of fire there is no mockery
Jeff said...
Very true. You need to preach that to these NTCC pastors as well because they are far more guilty of mockery toward their church members than I am toward them. I don't suppose you have the nerve to preach that to RWD, Kinson, Jones, Ashmore and all these other NTCC pastors who mock their church members and other denominations REGULARLY? I didn't think so.
I can assure you that the Bible clearly illustrates that Jesus has a far bigger problem with religious hypocrites (like these NTCC leaders) than he has with me. I don't suppose you've considered preaching at the at the NTCC leadership? According to the Bible, people who practice partiality should have there part in the lake of fire as well? You might want to think about that. You could avoid the lake of fire. Just preach at the NTCC leadership like you've preached at me. Look up the words partiality and partial in the concordance and see what you come up with.
Jeff
I'm kind of slow sometimes but I just figured out where you got this "mockery" business from. I would imagine that you've been reading Kekels blog and you took note of the text he used where the lady was mocking Paul. I suspect that my conclusion is quite probable and accurate.
Needless to say and once again, you need to preach to these NTCC ministers who've been mocking virtually every other "Christian" denomination in existence for the past four decades. It may be that you are also too brainwashed to recognize that obvious fact. You'll figure it out one day.
Jeff
a blog based upon vengence and mockery
wwjd
Anonymous said..."a blog based upon vengence and mockery"
I assume you're talking about Pastor Kekel's Blog?
Gregory
Hey anonymous try to answer this question if you dare. Why on earth would Michael Kekel say that Casey Hays left Puerto Rico to play golf in Florida when he himself did not even know it was true?
And then later on, Michael Kekel says he owes Casey Hays an apology because the person who lied on Casey later told Michael Kekel that what he told Michael Kekel was not true. Why was Michael Kekel so quick to believe this lie and put it on his blog?
After Michael Kekel was told by "the source/spy" that it was
not true and now wants to apologize to Casey Hays. Michael Kekel definitely owes Casey Hays an apology and I'm not talking about an "in code" apology either. Michael Kekel should call Casey Hays on the telephone and apology to him directly!
And then furthermore if Michael Kekel believed this lie about Casey then one must ask the question of how many other false reports has he believed on others and has possibly put it on his blog?
To the self-righteous ignoramus who wrote: "There is no mockery in the lake of fire"
First, Mockery was used by Elijah when he was contending with false teachers also.
You are diverting the truth in your own mind my friend.
Look at Kekel's words from his own mouth- He is pulling an Absolom!
He knows that he can make more money in a "nice" church, like Joel Osteen
His father in law did all the foot work, established a money making cult by the sweat of his own brow and now Kekel wants to manipulate the DNA of this cash cow.
He will one day have his place in the lake of fire along with his father in law and Olson, as for today- He feels he can do it better, steal from, delude, brain wash a larger portion of the population...he is probably right
You on the other hand may be saved, but why are you wasting your life following these people? why do you choose not to think on your own? why do you not seek God yourself? Is it easier to have someone else think for you?
Sincerely,
T
mck should dig for the facts before he jumps to conclusions. kekel is very quick to spurt out accusations against people that do not bow down and worship him. He also said that the X'rs "drive wedges and sow discord on facebook". We don't; I know the Shunks don't; and Jeff doesn't even use facebook. Maybe he's talking about other X-er's; I don't know but this is just another example of how kekel likes to accuse without any supporting facts.
It is, however, perfectly alright for him to send his minions to our blogs in a feeble attempt to disrupt the true facts about ntcc. We don't even invite ntcc'rs to our blog even though all are welcome; they come visit us on their own. In spite of all that ntcc preaches against X-ers in telling them to stay away, and lying about what we say and do, we still have people from all over the world visiting our sites. Why is this? If they are rooted and grounded in the truth, and they have the only real gospel being preached to them, why waste their time visiting our sites? If we are so evil why is the ntcc leadership having such a hard time keeping their cult members away from the X-er blogs? Could it be that there are many in ntcc that know it is wrong to judge the world when they themselves have not the love of Christ in their hearts? They say, "We're not judging the world; the bible is". Really?
How many people have the ntcc leadership sent away saying, "Be ye warmed and filled" because they were not digging deep enough into their wallets and paying luxury tax to the General board? I have seen ntcc preachers filled with hatred railing against people in church service for not giving enough in offerings and tithe and other programs, while new souls are sitting in their pews for the first time wondering why they came out to this nut-house. They thought it was to hear about Christ and the Cross, but it was to come out to the Sin-agogue and listen to chief priest and pharisees find fault with the those that are doing their best to give and survive; and meanwhile those that are hungry for the Word of God are leaving ntcc empty. They want you to think that your churches are struggling with few members because the path is so narrow and there will be few that find it, but in actuality it is the fact that ntcc preachers are hell-bent on preaching for money and they can't keep new people around.
When Peter preached, 3,000 people got saved on the spot and then the Lord allowed persecution to drive those new believers to the utmost ends of the earth to spread the Gospel, all without a single ntcc preacher preaching, "ALL CHRISTIANS PAY TITHE AND GIVE IN OFFERINGS".
Yes SIR!!! I'll follow your rules but first, can I go back to pick up my brain? Maybe I can figure out where I left it?
now you stoop low to make fun of members
Anonymous said...
"now you stoop low to make fun of members"
Jeff said...
Contrare my little NTCC supporter. It's apparent that you failed to read what I wrote about myself. Earlier in this very thread I wrote: "The fact is I bought off on most of those rules for a good many years while I was in the NTCC and the only reason I did it was because I had also left my brain at the entrance of the NTCC church."
Jeff also said... If the shoe fits wear it!!!!!
I certainly wore those shoes for quite a few years. I was brainwashed just like YOU are. Sometimes the truth hurts, but often it's a help to those interested in hearing it. It doesn't appear as though you are ready for the truth.
Jeff
anonymous said, "now you stoop low to make fun of members"
r w davis calls members "niggers"
m c kekel calls members "grubs" and "sorry slugs"
m c kekel calls children "evil" and "filthy"
m c kekel calls "gis" "knuckleheads"
anonymous said
"why do you mock
sounds arrogant"
r w davis sounds arrogant mocking every church outside of ntcc with derogatory phrases and names like
"the pappy" for the catholic pope
"preysbylupians" to mock the presbyterians and episcopals and anglicans in one fell swoop
"babticostal" to mock the baptists and pentecostals
"plentycrossed" to mock the pentecost church members
r w davis also repeatedly mocked pentecostals by calling the women "contentious" and made fun of them for wearing bluejean skirts
r w davis also called church member women who wore skirts and tennis shoes "frumpy"
m c kekel mocked so many in so many ways, there is scarcely room to record it all
even dogs know this is as wrong as a park without a tree or a street corner without a fire hydrant to pee on
sincerely al
It is what it is. Sounds like Davis and Kekel to me.
Jeff,
Recieved an insightful email from a dear friend of mine on Facebook that I met 10 years ago in Korea.
The sad part is that the sister who is married to a guy in NTCC took my friend Nancy Legg off of her facebook account. They used to be really close friends.
That is just like NTCC. Breaking hearts, one person at a time. The following email you will soon read will make you mad.
Sister Legg left to go to Bible College at NTCC once upon a time after her tour in Korea but something told her to LEAVE
and I am thankful she got out of the CULT and can think on her own two feet.
From Sister Legg:
Hi Michael and Young mi! It is good to hear from you. You know I looked on my friendship list after reading this and discovered that Heather took me off of her facebook. I have to say wow....I didn't expect that. How sad! We were so close a...nd even though we go to another Church I didn't expect that. I don't see God's hand in any of that. People make their choices. However it is sad when it is not completely their own choice, but influenced by people who "claim" to have their best interest at heart. I am so glad that God is not limited to an organization and His presence is felt by millions of people around the world. Love you both. Give Young Mi a hug for me. :-)
Bro Jeff,
Here is my response to Sister Legg:
Sister Legg, I can say with assuredly that we were in a cult. Not that I doubted MacDonald's ministry or his ability to preach, but we were had. A lot of good friends of mine either cut me off or faded away. That is why I was overjoyed t...o see you out of that mess, along with the Shunks and others who left NTCC for good. As I recalled I last saw you at a church service at the Graham Chapel back in 2001. Man time flys. I am really glad you saw the light like I did. Had it not been for Young-mi seeing NTCC for what it was that time in Korea and the unGODLY abuse she endured through Hanna and Hanna's wife (I was too naive to see it) I would be a poor, starving trying to make ends meet NTCC unaccredited paper milled preacher. You are special, my friend, stay in touch and you have a good looking husband!!
Bro Johnson
Bro Jeff,
This is what I wrote to Sis Legg (Part II)
The good news is Hanna and his wife left NTCC too, so I can forgive him and his wife, but I cannot forget. Young-mi miscarried due to Hanna's and his wife's theatrics and manipilation, and I am ashamed to say that I was not man enough at t...he time to tell him in his face that he was a fake. I am ashamed to say that I was not a man but a boy and did not do a better job taking care of my tender wife. I will have to live with that knowledge for the rest of my life. What I can change is putting Young-mi and the kids FIRST in ALL things. I was naive and did not want to belive the pain and hurt Young-mi was telling me about how she was constantly insulted, ridiculed (not in my presence) and humilated daily by the Hannas. Used and abused. Forced to go soul winning which led to a painful self-abortion. She did not do it for Hanna, going soul winning and all. She did it for me. We almost divorced. I almost lost her. I was the so called leader. It was by the sheer grace of God that we stayed together, God got us both out of that basterdly mess. Sorry to dump all of this one you but you need to know what was REALLY going one. Stuff was going on behind our backs that would make your head spin. A renegade preacher out of control, you can only imagine. Comments like Don't wear lipstick. Why do you paint your face. Why are you wearing jeans. Your going to hell, on and on and on.See More
Bro Jeff,
Here is the last continuation email letter to Sister Legg:
NTCC has done a full circle due to their compromising preachers. Preachers can have TVs now. Sports are cool. Pants are in for ladies. Fake everything, NTCC is now adversting via the net. RW Davis is not doing a thing about it because he is a con artist. Graduates flash gamg signs at recent NTCC graduations. Kekel and his wife are a complete sham. It is said that Tonya's dresses are so tight she cannot even sit down. Kekel's son Grant attended private school, PLAYED FOOTBALL, and ate up $20,000 a year in tution. Where did Kekel get the money to pay for that yearly tution? From YOUR TITHE!!! Less and Less people attend the churches. Attendance is down. They have been investigated locally. They do not report their earnings to local newpaper reporters. They hide escrow accounts. Davis lives in a million dollar manison while his laboring earnest preachers, a good majority work at the poverty level. But, as they say in NTCC, God is Winning!!
That is a shame that so called friends are taught by the NTCC to disown folks who are not in their church. At least it was "just" a friend. NTCCers have a history of disowning family members such as brothers, sisters, parents and children. The NTCC is a cult big time.
I've endeavored to not "verbally" discuss the NTCC with exNTCC friends that I still have. The reason being is that I've concluded that the crooks in this world are not going away. The world is full of them and so is the NTCC. If we managed to ever shut the NTCC down, (which is highly unlikely to ever happen) they would just open their doors under a different name so they could soak as many GI's as they can. It's a shame that they pray on GI's like they do. The NTCC wants as much money and time as they can possibly get out of them.
I've gradually become pretty apposed to organized religion. I think the Bible was trying to paint a picture of what modern day Christianity should be in the book of Acts and for that matter throughout all the Epistles and the Gospels. Modern churches such as the NTCC hardly fit the description of what the Bible portrays. Priscilla and Aquila had church in their house along with Paul and I hardly think they were announcing that "all Christians pay tithe and give in the offering" during every service or get-together. Modern day churches are out for one thing. The all mighty dollar. The NTCC hardly fits the description of a non profit and they don't give to charity. The NTCC leadership is about three things; the accumulation of money, real estate and the absolute control of peoples lives.
The only way these crooked churches would get shut down is if the Government intervened. Make those crooks pay taxes on every red cent that comes into the church. If the Government taxed these greedy churches it would sure help out the deficit. Tax the Catholics, tax the protestants, tax all religious organizations and audit the daylights out of them. Hit em with about 30 - 40%. Tax their property. I'm all for it. The only money that shouldn't be taxed is money that is proven to have been collected for the relief of the poor and needy. If the money is just going to be used to buy a big houses and land then tax the snot out of them. 40%. I think it's a great idea.
Jeff
Bro Jeff,
If you ever run for public office, you have got my vote my friend!
Hooah!
Bro Johnson
Jeff, this will be my last post as it's time for me to move on. This has been part of my healing process and by the grace of God it's time for me. I believe God has called me to help those in poverty and to love them. I will pray for those that believe that our Lord and savior can be "put in a box". Without charity your religion is in vain.
Revelation 2:15-16 (King James Version)
15So hast thou also them that hold the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, which thing I hate.
16Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
Free Indeed...
Bro J said...
Hooah!
Jeff said...
Airborne all the way. Tax the daylights out of them.
Jeff
L Travis said...
Jeff, this will be my last post as it's time for me to move on.
Jeff said...
I fully understand my Brother. Let me explain why I call Larry, "Brother". Because he acts like it. The brotherly kindness he's showed me isn't conditional upon whether or not we believe in the exact same doctrines and or go to the same church. Larry Travis isn't fake like so many NTCCers that I've met.
Larry and I have real discussions about real life. Every third sentence that we speak doesn't include phrases like, "Praise God" or "I'll pray for you" or "God Bless you" or "Be it the will of the Lord" or "Wasn't service great" or "Be blessed" or "We missed you in church" or "Yes sir, no sir, yes sir, yes sir, yes sir, brother this and brother that.
I've grown to very much dislike all this religious churchy rhetoric. The fact is, I've conclusively determined that by far and for the very most part, all that churchy rhetoric it's fake. The Lord told me this and the Lord told me that. Blah, blah, blah, blah. The Lord didn't tell you anything. Every time you sneeze, you think it's the Lord. You stub your big toe and you think the Lord is trying to tell you something. You feel happy and you think it's the Lord. You feel sad and you think the Lord has left. You feel glad and you think the Lord is back.
Larry wants to genuinely help needy children and that is more than the NTCC has ever done. The NTCC is all about helping one group and one group only. The big wigs at Graham. Outside of that, you are on your own. I don't care if the NTCC sends an occasional pastor a little chump change; 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 grand. What in the world is that in comparison to all the money you've shelled out to the church? Don't let them make you feel as if they've done you any favors because they've not. True religion is to help the fatherless and the widow and the NTCC leadership doesn't know the first thing about either one.
Jeff
Oh and by the way; I understand why Larry has moved one. He's sick and tired of thinking about the crooks and abusive folks in the NTCC. For that matter so am I. The difference is I've taken personal responsibility of this blog because folks need to know "The Real Story" about the New Testament Christian Church. With the help of some other people this blog has been going for a while now and it's my responsibility to keep it going and I don't see that changing.
If it weren't for that, I'd have moved on also but someone must bare the burden and keep the colors flying. I'm actually sick of this blogging business but I plan to finish what I've started. This was never a fair weather plan for me. The NTCC has wrecked and or done significant damage to the lives of many people. If this blog can help just one person escape the bondage then I feel like I've done my part.
Keep the banner flying baby. Hooah!
Jeff
I could type before I started this blog (because I took business typing in school) but now I'm one of the fastest typists in the universe. My hands, brain and this keyboard have become one just like there are three that bare record in heaven and these three are one. All three work together. I still believe in the trinity but I can tell you that I've met some oneness who show a whole lot more decency than these pompous trinitarian NTCCers. I'll take a decent minded oneness over some of these self righteous NTCCers any day of the week. I no longer care what someone believe but rather how they act and treat their fellow man.
Everyone believes different anyway to include different people who are both in the NTCC. RWD and Kekel don't even remotely believe the same stuff and Mike proved that himself with the very words that he wrote and I copied and pasted on the cover of this blog.
I'm done in till the next time.
Jeff
Hey Jeff,
I got a copier you can borrow. Sorry to hear that kekel had to remove all of the negative stuff from his blog because your copier broke down. I guess I thought he removed it because it made him look foolish and unlearned. In all actuality I think it's safe to say that mck can't help himself and can't control his compulsion to mock the truth in which we stand for. I sure would like to know which part of the truth he disagrees with. Oh, perhaps everything. That's why your copier broke down.
Jeff,
We were recently reading your previous thread: Don't Steal Your Kid's Childhood when we saw these gems that you wrote in the comment section about a man who left ntcc only to have his "concerned pastor" chase him down to remind him of a pledge ($) he had made to ntcc:
Jeff said: "Once again, what a joke. The guys breaking ties with you and he don't owe you jack. If you promised to give Timothy Mcveigh some money right before you found out that he was going to use it for materials needed to blow up the federal building; would you still be morally bound to give him the money?
The way I see it the NTCC has totally messed up a whole bunch of lives and as a result I don't see that someone is bound to fulfill a pledge that will be used to propagate yet even more lives being messed up. I wouldn't give money to the Waco Tx crew just because I may have previously thought they were a decent group.
At which time an individual comes to the realization that the NTCC is a bonafide Cult, (which it is) I don't see that you are morally bound to give them squat regardless of what your original intent was.
If you promised your kid a vehicle but you found out that he was planning on driving it to an ATM machine to yank it out of the ground and steal it, would you still be morally obligated to give the kid the vehicle anyway.
I certainly don't think so and I see the NTCC leadership in the same light as the fictitious crook that I mentioned above. Kekel has gotten rich of the backs of a bunch of struggling Christians to the degree that he has elected to send his kid through grade school that has cost almost $20,000 a year for at least the last several years. He did that while some other NTCC parents were moving around and actually holding their child back a year because they were putting the NTCCs expansion plans ahead of their own child's education." -- Jeff
Don and Ange say,
We noticed the "pastor" did not try to restore the man who was leaving the way the Good Shepherd would by leaving the 99 and going after the one...
All that ("pastor") HIRELING CARED ABOUT WAS THE MONEY HE WAS GETTING FROM THE MAN WHO LEFT!
I just remembered a two thousand dollar pledge that I had made while in the ntcc that I never paid after I left. In the past I would think of it and feel guilty, but no more.
Now I've learned the ntcc is a cult that hurts people. I no longer feel bad about not giving money to them to help fund their SPIRITUAL TERRORISM.
In fact I'M GLAD I DID PLEDGE THAT MUCH AND DID NOT PAY IT!!!! At least I won't have the spiritual blood of others on my hands the way the ntcc hirelings do!
Don and Ange
The attitude of Kekel towards the rules is so elitist-- "The rules are for the little people, not people like me" (paraphrasing).
The sad reality is, if the little people like me had not followed the "rules" that Davis set forth, we would have been publicly humiliated in front of the whole church, and either had our minister's license taken away, or pressured to either give in or leave. There is NO middle ground with NTCC-- you either play by their "rules" or they make your life a living hell. It's as simply as that.
I can't believe that I ever though Kekel was sincere and maybe even a good person. He's a snake in the grass, who will do anything to further his political and religious ambitions.
AXP (another ex-preacher)
Good post AXP.
But, I don't know how sincere and good a hebephilia should have been considered to be. But, we didn't know about Pastor Kekel's attraction to young girls when we became dedicated to NTCC, did we.
Yet, when we found out we stayed with NTCC? What does this say about the influence NTCC has on people? Good or bad? Godly or un-Godly.
Whatever Pastor Kekel may be now, he started out as a sick and perverted man. All with the approval of the one who never missed God, and does all by the Holy Ghost.
Gregory
Gregory said of his knowledge of kekel's attraction for underage girls, "Yet, when we found out we stayed with NTCC? What does this say about the influence NTCC has on people? Good or bad? Godly or un-Godly."
Hindsight is 20/20.
When you are in the forest, it is hard to see the trees.
Many of us already came from the military where we were accustomed to being ordered around and not having our voices heard. There is a certain loss of self actuation in that environment that feeds into the whole ntcc borg collective operational system.
Face it, sophisticated control mechanisms are and were in place in the ntcc designed to prevent thought and analysis that would occur in an healthy environment.
It is the mind control program alive and well in the ntcc that makes them a cult in the way they treat people and teach them to dumb-down:
Don't question 'leadrship' --- they are the men of God; after all, we told you we were so; you have to listen to us. Or are you just rebellious (loaded-language) blah blah blah...
Everything is controlled to get you to think what they want about everything.
Every decision is made for you from how many nights a week you will spend in church, to who you will marry -- starting with the permission from the borg leader to even talk to a woman.
Women have no power or authority except to recommend feminine products. Imagine, when Deb and others went to bs they did all the typing for the men and obtained no credit, no license, nothing. Not even a title of "Minister."
No wonder people don't think straight or make normal judgment calls that they would outside of ntcc.
You're right, Gregory; it does say something about the amount of influence the ntcc has over people. It is a scary concept that we've seen over and over where good, Godly, intelligent people are broken down by the ntcc's cult mind control mechanisms until they think aberrant behavior (like kekel molesting minor teenage tanya when he is an adult nine years older than she) is normal. SO normal that people line up their teenage girls to be married off to twenty something year-old men as soon as their daughter turns 16... Very scary.
Glad to be out!
Don and Ange
P.S. Good to see AXP's post too!
"RW Davis is not doing a thing about it because he is a con artist."
It's my suspicion that RWD is ill. No, I can't prove it beyond an absolute shadow of a doubt, But I believe that he is not well.
For everyone who doesn't know this......I had a meeting (In person) with Mike Kekel, as well as with his uninvited wife on the Graham Compound. At some point and time I would like to make the contents of that meeting public knowledge as to what we talked about.
I will say this though. Tanya was at that meeting for 1 reason and 1 reason only. And that was to try and defend her Daddy. I remember meeting her a few times many, many years ago and she struck me as Bossy and Arrogant, as well as Pushy and she hasn't changed one bit. If anything, over the years it's gotten worse (Exponentially)If I had to be around her for any length of time I would have to get Tranquilizers just to keep myself inebriated. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone out here, But those are my feeling about her. My wife and I both got the feeling that she runs the show out in Graham. She made a big "To Do" about Jeff Collins, And the fact that Jeff "Doesn't even know me, nor has he ever met me".
Well, I've met you Tanya, and my opinion of you is probably far worse that that of Jeff's opinion.
More at a later time. Mark
Mark,
That is hilarious when you think about it!!!! The leader of this cult is "whipped" by the wife!!!
I find that to be very funny as well as reflecting extremely brightly on Kekel's leadership ability (or lack there of)
Every man i know who is whipped by his wife is the epitomy of a follower
T
Mark wrote...
She made a big "To Do" about Jeff Collins, And the fact that Jeff "Doesn't even know me, nor has he ever met me".
Jeff said...
I probably did meet Tanya during one or more of the many conferences that I attended. Either way, the meeting wouldn't have mattered much to me one way or the other. I've certainly seen her and her husband enough times, and neither one of the two made a favorable impression on me. High and mighty was the impression that I got.
I didn't need to become overly acquainted with Mike or Tanya to know that they were extremely sorry leaders. This whole house cleaning business has been a sore subject with me for quite some time. They have no business as church leaders having church members come to their house to clean it. That practice is the epitome of authoritative misuse and abuse. Mike is the pimp and Tanya the pimpstress. They are pimping their own congregation and it's sickening. I didn't need to know Tanya to figure that out. With that knowledge I know she is sorry. Clean your own house you pimpstress. Tanya and Mike don't know the first thing about effective, good, decent leadership.
What they are practicing is mind control cult tactics 101, not good decent leadership. If Tanya is too busy to clean her own house, it is too big and she needs to be a "keeper at home" which means to be a good house keeper.
If it takes all these other women to clean Tanya's house than Tanya has totally failed to be a keeper at home but she has succeeded at "using" the NTCCs congregants.
Tanya is simply void of any good leadership skills but it's not totally her fault. She was taught that garbage by her abusive daddy and Mike bought off on that junk hook line and sinker.
So the moral of the story is I don't need to know Tanya because I know what she is really all about based on the garbage misuse tactics that she has perpetuated. That is who Tanya is. She is a proverbial pimpstress that uses her female church members to come clean the big fancy house that she should be cleaning all by herself or maybe with the help of her son and husband. The high and mighty Kekels who are so busy for GAWD that they don't even have the time to clean their own stinking house. Buddy that is too busy and anyone who buys off on that mess has been played like a sucker and they need to quit.
Jeff
It would be one thing if they had PAID help to do that. The rich and famous do that all the time. Buy a house that 1 person can't clean up by themselves but then turn around and hire a staff of people who do the yard work, as well as house work and pay them a salary for what they do. No problems with that.
OK........Tanya......LISTEN UP!!!! I'm getting ready to talk about your beloved "Daddy" again.
I spoke with someone who has known RWD for many years before you were born, and I was told by this Gentleman that RWD would have a revival and this is how he would do it. For example: If he needed plumbing done, Then he would have someone who was a plumber by trade (But was now a Preacher) preach the revival. But THEN he would have the Gentleman do the plumbing work that he needed done for either free or for a greatly reduced rate, Therefore saving him the money that he would have to pay for a plumber. If he needed mechanic work done, Ditto, the same thing. I mean, Let's face it, For the people who truly do love God, The sky is the limit. They will pitch in and help and try and be a blessing in any way, shape or form that they can, and not even think about the money. But the sad part about this is the fact that there are people out there in the Christian world who will exploit the generosity and the kindness of these people to save buck even when they have it to spend.
All I can say is this. Rodger, It's to day that "Back in the day" if you needed Carpentry work done that you couldn't ask Jesus to come out to Graham and preach you a revival, Isn't it?
Yeah, back in the day.
If rdub were around when Jesus walked the earth, Christ could have had the privilege of building rdub a mansion. Afterall, Jesus, if you really love God, you want to bless his man, rdub, right?
And Mary, the Mother of Jesus could have the privilege of cleaning vicki's house for her. saa.
Oh, and instead of seven Holy Ghost filled men looking after the widows, ntcc could have seven preachers' wives looking after the board members' cooking, and cleaning, and shopping,...
Andrew, Peter, James and John could do the fishing to bless rdub, the man of Gawd, first-up-before the throne of Gawd, blah, blah, blah...
Matthew Levi could keep and cook the books for the ntcc...
kekel could have Mary Magdalene washing his feet with her tears since she ruined her husband's ministry by getting pregnant and all the while kekel could simultaneously put her down for being a sinner because she wears make-up and dingle bobs (ear rings)
And vicki davis could instruct tanya kekel to dance before rodger davis, thus pleasing him so he could promise her whatever she wants, to the half of his kingdom (and she'll get more than that anyway) and she can ask for the head of Jeff Collins to be delivered on a silver platter
joe h olson could stand before the congregation and wash his hands perfunctorily while proclaiming his innocence (though he is guilty)
and so on and so forth...
Then they can all scream, "WE ARE BEING PERSECUTED. LET'S FLEE TO THE REFUGE OF OUR $250,000 MOTOR HOMES AND TRAVEL AROUND THE COUNTRY SIGHT SEEING" "unhindered, unaccountable, unstoppable" with no one knowing where we are, what we are doing, how much money we have and spend on whatever we like while we gluttonously stuff ourselves and scream at the congregation that THEY need to sacrifice...
oh yes, that is how it would be if r w davis lived in Jesus' day... but wait, THIS IS JESUS' DAY...
How's that scripture based song go?
"Whatsoever ye do, to the least of My brothers, that you do unto Me."
Someone should low-jack the ntcc motorhomes. That would make good blog material!
Ashmore is a jerk. He treats NTCC people bad. Thats alright Ashmore, what goes around comes around.
After having read my comments on the last section I think I'll be doing a better job of proof reading on the next installment.
Anonymous said,
"Ashmore is a jerk. He treats NTCC people bad. Thats alright Ashmore, what goes around comes around."
Don and Ange said,
Would you care to elaborate on that a little more? How does that relate? Any specifics?
As strong as I feel about the ntcc leadership, I think it's important to clarify specific reasons as to what the issues that you have are. Personal attacks without basis hold little substance, however if you were to give a reason then it adds legitimacy to your complaint.
Don and Ange
I was asked not to get into details. I have personal knowledge of Ashmore recently treated someone in the New Testament Christian Church very badly. He has a history of displaying a snobby attitude which I've personally witnessed so it doesn't surprise me. Ashmore spoke to this person in an extremely degrading, dogmatic and disrespectful manner.
So I've concluded as I had before that Ashmore is a jerk. The New Testament Christian Church is the same as it ever was.
Anonymous said,
"I have personal knowledge of Ashmore recently treated someone in the New Testament Christian Church very badly."
Don Said,
I understand. That happened to my Mother also when she went to visit The Church in Colorado Springs. She had been to Services before with ntcc in Fayetteville, NC, and had a fairly decent impression of the ntcc, but when ashmore visited Colorado Springs to preach at a service that she had driven 90 miles one way to see on a weeknight, she said that he was cold as ice, very judgemental towards her and mean spirited. That seems to be the norm at ntcc, the more you preach about hell and against sin to the members of your church who are supposed to be saved from sin, the more people you run off. He was and probably still is a favorite of ntcc'rs because he seems to get the most people shouting amen. I wish I wasn't so brainwashed at the time or I would have stuck up for my Mom. I wasn't even at the service and I couldn't comfort my mother after this spiritual abuse she had to go through. She was definitely a better Christian then I was when I was in the borg. People are better off to leave the ntcc as soon as they can. There is nothing at ntcc except for phoniness, lies and hypocrisy.
Don
Don and Ange wrote...
but when Ashmore visited Colorado Springs to preach at a service that she had driven 90 miles one way to see on a weeknight, she said that he was cold as ice, very judgmental towards her and mean spirited.
Jeff said...
Bingo. That is Ashmore. All he did at the Columbus serviceman's home was talk about other church denominations for about an hour or more one evening. He does come across as very judgmental and cold. These reports don't surprise me at all. NTCC ministers commonly display the same type of cold hearted, abusive attitude toward folks in the congregation and other NTCC ministers and their wives. Ashmore is no different. Anonymous said it best. They act like jerks. The name "JERK" best describes they way they act.
Jeff
Funny how it all comes full circle.............. 2022 and now he's headed for the clinker.
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