Here is another chance to get the word out about what the NTCC is really all about. An article about the NTCC has been written in "The Dispatch", (A South Pierce County Washington Newspaper). At the bottom of the article is an "Article Comment Submission Form" that will allow you to voice your feelings about the NTCC. I think this a good thing however we will see. Attached below is a link.http://www.dispatchnews.com/main.asp?Search=1&ArticleID=2556&SectionID=6&SubSectionID=6&S=1
Some folks have already posted their comments and I believe the word is getting out. Many of us know that the NTCC is a destructive cult who's primary goal it to control peoples lives so they can gain control of their money. The NTCC has always hated publicity because they have a whole bunch of bones that they don't want to have let out of the closet. This newspaper will certainly get the word out to the Pierce county residents. What the newspaper editor leaves out we can include by submitting our comments. The most important types information we can add are known facts. True, first hand testimonies will open the eyes people more than non quantifiable jargon such as the NTCC being a cult. Yes that is true but why is the NTCC a cult. I included some facts with my submission. The train is slow folks but I believe we are making progress. The NTCC has done much irreversible damage to the lives of many people and the word needs to continue to get out.On a side note. Soon I'm going to visit my Mom and it's good not only to have the time, (because it won't be wasted on yet another blow hard conference) but I no longer feel the need to explain my itinerary to some narcissistic, control monger of an NTCC pastor. Thank God that he woke me up long enough to see that those days needed to be over.
Jeff Collins
29 comments:
Jeff,
Good point about that facts. It must be a law-enforcement thing:
JUST THE FACTS, MA'AM.
;-)
Not bad; it will be interesting to see how deep they dig in subsequent installments. Stay tuned!
"I even saw a guy once walking up the O-K Highway who tried to steal a 40-foot ladder!" Kekel related.
So his thinking is. If he saw some petty theft. That this Organization needs a HUGE fence surrounding the buildings.
Since leaving ntcc,been to a few Churches. Petty theft is not secluded to just on OK highway. So why don't churches ALL over America have a fence around them?
Because,there not paranoid! Other real churches are not afraid of who comes into there buildings. MORE CONTROL!
Also ntcc has many skeltons in there closet'S! They need to see who is coming onto there grounds. So they can send there HOUNDS on people that they may not want to show up to CHURCH!
Folks that are still in ntcc. That Fence is not to stop Petty theft. It is for control. Watching folks,knowing who is coming and going.
A CAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CM
but something much more authentic. In addition, both men agreed that the NTCC seeks to "change the nature of humanity."
Ok,what kind of crap is this? DOUBLE TALK!!!
Change the nature of humanity. We are born sinners. They can't change that.
CM
The comment section at the bottom of the article is turning into a real blog. Read what Bro. Riley (an NTCC yes man) wrote:
"This thread is ample evidence the enemy of souls is raging mad against leadership chosen of God who refuse to compromise on HOLINESS, and continue to live and preach a gospel in step with Christ commandments.
As was once preached by one of those leaders, in the end.. "GOD SHALL HAVE THE LAST WORD"
Jeff said...
What a joke. Unfortunately old Bro. Riley is just as brainwashed as I used to be. Hopefully he snaps out of it sooner than later. I've learned that some folks will never snap out of it. They've been with the NTCC for too long and they simply refuse to face the facts. There are certainly enough facts that can be found on the internet these days. It very hard for some folks to admit the truth. It doesn't feel good to admit to yourself that you've essentially been a sucker.
Jeff
"This thread is ample evidence the enemy of souls is raging mad -- Bro? Riley
Who's raging mad?
The sad truth is that he won't get the pat on the back and Scooby snack (Kris!!) reward he expects for coming out swinging for the ntcc. They will rebuke his ill-advised zeal since it proves what we have been saying about how brainwashed and abusive people are in ntcc.
Don't worry Mr. Riley. We true Christians will be here waiting for you when ntcc (Not True Christians Cult) has finished using you and throws you away...
See you sooner or later.
BTDT ;-)
Anonymous said...
but something much more authentic. In addition, both men agreed that the NTCC seeks to "change the nature of humanity."
OK,what kind of crap is this? DOUBLE TALK!!!
Change the nature of humanity. We are born sinners. They can't change that.
CM
No, They can't change that. The best of men are men at very best!!!
anyone take a look at Mike K. in this article.
He is looking puffy,fat in the face!
Kinson is fat as ever.
blovd,
I can relate. Love is like that. It's easy to give, even when you've been burned. Don't forget too, they DEMANDED that love. Not that they ever showed love. Sure they gave a lot of lip-service, "I love you. I appreciate you. I'm concerned for you." But it was ssssssssooooooooo conditional.
Just stop producing.
Hiccup and mess-up a little bit.
Then watch how quick they throw you under the bus! All your past good performances will mean NOTHING. I think they like it that way. It keeps everyone off-balance and trying real hard to please them. Then they just switch-a-roo a rule or two; and, you know; suddenly you're wrong; and out you go...
Such hypocrites. If grant or tanya or mikey had a problem, they'd get all the grace and mercy in the world. But let some 'little' brother or sister need help of any kind; they will be made out to be some kind of devil and will be run-off at the first opportunity. Then the smear campaign and lies will go into full swing.
We've seen it over and over. It's just that nobody challenges them. They're sssooo brave behind the pulpit.
But in real life, they have nothing.
Yeah, we loved them for a time. But the time has come to sever that relationship and realize they are hurting souls so they have made themselves enemies of Christ. I don't even pray for them anymore. Now I pray ABOUT them. There's a difference.
Their hateful ways are deliberate, not accidental. They won't change for the better, only get worse. They need to be stopped. Or people need to be warned. So we blog...
"church behind the fence" kinda says it all...
"It is quite troubling that I would feel anything for this church when I have lived days that I wished I had never known them."
Not really. Love for one's enemies is a hallmark of genuine spirituality, according to Jesus. Rejoice that nothing they did could make you hate them. I hate what they do to people, but sometimes I still mourn the fact that promising men were diverted from their potential for good, and seduced into shallow and materialistic lives. They were my friends, and still should be.
I remember when rwd used to joke around and say that there is no such thing as "falling in love" that you might be in lust, but not love. Love is when you will to love somebody despite all the faults and failures, of course, sometimes when that love becomes abused you have to be rational and think with your mind, not your heart and leave that abusive relationship.
It was so weird because I was looking at some books at this store and there in front of my eyes was a book titled "when men become gods" I was like, this is not the section for books of that nature! My mind had been a little unsettled with all this newspaper article and I was looking at the books at this place and right there out of nowhere there is this book.
I know for sure alot of people treat the kekels and rwd and the rest, as gods. It is quite alarming when people act the fool just for a little praise from a human being just like you.Some people are working and doing for ntcc and not for God.
blovd
I feel nothing for these men or women. But contempt,disgust. Wish they would shrivel up and fade away. Can never wish death on a person. Especially these people. Who have so much to come clean with God over! If I wished them dead,Hell is going to be there home!
They live in there pretend,fairy tale world. I am not at fault if a minister fails,I am not to blame for anyone's so called failure's. They sit up in there castles. Do not connect with there common man(ministers). Have no idea what they go through in there daily lives. And could not care less. As long as the bottom line is taken care of. There fat dairy airs! Fill there stomach's,fancy cloths,fancy lifestyle. That many of us,could CARE LESS ABOUT. But that they get that lifesytle. From the hard work of others. How did the Pharoh's live like they did. From the hard work of the Irealites! rw davis is a modern day Pharoh. We work and work. And it is never enough. The quote is raised each day! Slap the whip,as he uses his mouth to bash and bash,ridicule,ridicule. Mike K. is going to follow right in his footsteps. Know how to butter his bread. Not lift a finger of work himself. Sitting in his lofty office. Doing diddly Squat! While men do go out and pioneer works. Works that Mike K. has no idea how to do that. Since he has NEVER gone out and pioneered a work. His wife,Tanya does not know how to truly be a Pastors wife. Sitting up away from the people while in a Church service. Instead should sit right down with the people! Make sure she is looked up to,as the Queen of Sheba!
They all live a FAKE life. One where they do not know how a common minister in ntcc live's. Barely paying bills,kids go without,living in horrible living conditions. But there tithe is paid,let them not rob God! There offerrings are sent into Washington. Or else you get a phone call from Olson,Mike K. right hand henchmen!
I am going on and on. As you can see I do not hold any love for these people. My heart was dead the day I got to Washington. And rw davis bashed women over and over when I first got there. Before it was opened up to town folks. Then he tried to be somewhat nicer! But the man can't do that,be nice!
CM
It is quite alarming when people act the fool just for a little praise from a human being just like you.Some people are working and doing for ntcc and not for God
BLVD said.
This bare's repeating. I watched so many KISS up to rw davis,and Mike K. Not many kiss up to Olson. They know he is going no where in the Organization. Poor man. Thought he was next in line to be in charge. Just to watch Mike K. take his postion!
Men that would scamble,to edge in closer to rw davis while at the fellowship hall. In his Inner Circle.
I am sure there were Irealite's that kissed up to the Egyptians. To try and make there life somewhat easier. As did men such as Chavez',George Perez,John Cardenus,Bro. Winters,Connors. All that group is still in. Still kissing up to the men and women in ntcc. Trying to make there life smoother,easier. Then men and women that actually go out and work!
Winters went out into a work,but came right back to WA. To hard,there daughter could not attend a private school in SK. Chave's have never left WA! George Perez went to Chicago,but soon was in WA and has planted his Butt there. Cardenus,went to WI,were doing well. But then back they went. To stay put!
Those folks would sell out anyone to make sure they look good. Stay in good with the so called leaders of ntcc.
ntcc is full of back stabbers,two faced people! NOT a CHRISTIAN in there LOT!
Then you got some like Tammy was Gerow. Who is thrilled with the changes. She lived like this,just stayed under the radar. that is why there all thrilled now. Look my kids can now play sports,were jeans,denium form fitted skirts,jewlery,watch movies,who knows what music Grant is listening to. Sure they got TV on Mike K. computer!
Full of hypocrites,liars,backstabbers!
CM
CM, you have my vote in taking over this blog for Jeff when he goes on vacation!:)
I could read your posts because they make sense to me. Sometimes they are long but they still are saying something that I am familiar with.
I would hope others feel the same way.
blovd
You know I should contact Jeff and help him out. If I get a bit long winded,I am sorry. My fingers do take on a life of there own!LOL
Especially when I get that inspired,OMG,moment. And I am off!
Thanks BLVD for your vote of confidence in me.
CM
LET THE SMEAR CAMPAIGN BEGIN
...Apparently Mr. Kekel has been making disparaging comments from his bully pulpit about The Dispatch News reporter Mr. Bruce Smith just because Mr. Smith put together an article on the NTCC. This can only be seen as another sad effort by Mr. Kekel to try and discredit Mr. Smith and divert focus from NTCC's many flaws. Perhaps Mr. Kekel will next attack Mr. Smith's family and
"your little dog too!"
I second the vote for CM. Hi everyone; things are going fine. I'm getting ready for dinner and I'll be back later.
Take care ya'll,
Jeff
AL Faifa said...
...Apparently Mr. Kekel has been making disparaging comments from his bully pulpit about The Dispatch News reporter Mr. Bruce Smith just because Mr. Smith put together an article on the NTCC.
Jeff said...
I wouldn't doubt it but how did you get such information? You must know someone still in the NTCC, am I right? The reason I asked is because you used the word "apparently" which suggests that someone has indicated that such an occurrence has taken place without you having first hand exposure of the event.
I just want to make sure that your statement is credible. Understand that I always desire credible and verifiable facts. Having said that I wouldn't put it past Kekel to display such conduct. I've seen this type conduct displayed by NTCC pastors. Damage control is a regular practice of NTCC pastors.
If this is verifiable and factual and you know it to be the truth, I'm sure that many folks would be interested in knowing. If it is pure speculation it would be good for the sake of the blogs credibility to know that as well.
Please understand.
Sincerely,
Jeff
"...Apparently Mr. Kekel has been making disparaging comments from his bully pulpit about The Dispatch News reporter Mr. Bruce Smith just because Mr. Smith put together an article on the NTCC."
Phil tried to plow his field while he was there in service, talking about lying journalists and such. They know that org shenanigans can't withstand objective scrutiny. All their chuckling friendliness to his face was the typical phony act, but once it became apparent that he wouldn't succumb to the love bombing, out came the fangs.
Wow Vic, so Bruce went to service and Phil plowed his field. Imagine that. Those crooks get off on that stuff. They never cease to amaze me. They are true control mongers who actually get a high from plowing peoples field. One time Phil said while preaching that he loved the pulpit because it was the one place where he could talk and people had to listen.
That is a fact.
Jeff
"They are true control mongers who actually get a high from plowing peoples field."
Hopefully the IRS will plow their fields when they come to visit!
Anon!
You know Jeff, I was wondering if the journalist is "really" digging into what transpires in the buying of churches within ntcc. We all now know that the buying of a church by the org. doesn't mean that that church will be own free and clear by the particular congregation in that city, no, because these buildings will forever be own by the org, and whoever takes over will be paying rent forever to the org.
To any pastors out there that think their congregations is getting a church, it is not so, it is ntcc who is getting a church, you are merely making it possible for ntcc to acquire another real estate property, and then the pastor, if he works in a secular job, has to pay his tithe to nttc, then if he has tithe payers, that money is used to pay for any bills that the church can't pay with the offerings that came in(you pay tithe on this too) then, yes, then, whatever is left over you take 40% and put it in an escrow account in the name of ashmore and difrancesco, and whatever is leftover you keep! In other words you are paying ntcc to pastor a church!
Sometimes I myself can't believe this, but yes, it is happening and people are still singing and shouting that God is winning!
blovd
there is now a new article on the dispatch. It is true Bruce did get bashed by Kinson. Amazing that he would do that. And know it would go into print. Keep it up kinson,Mikey. You are just shooting yourself in the foot. This is not going away. I hope it just gets bigger and bigger from this smaller newspaper! Everyone should send a link to there newspapers. Never know,a reporter might pick it up. Especially if there is a local ntcc church in that city you live in!
Should tell Bruce,you have just joined our ranks!LOL The ranks of being bashed by these prideful,hauty men of ntcc! Men that have NO other education but ntcc bible school. think they know more then this reporter!
CM
I love how they go out of their way to tell everyone they are NOT a cult-- but when a reporter shows up, they go out of their way to diss him! I love it! Keep it up Mike & Phil. Your church will be gone in no time.
Article comment by: Dr. Edward F. Schwartz
I have read all of these blogs (I consider them as slanderous). It is true that we do have a right to express ourselves under the constitution. What most people are doing here is going against a biblical forum, we will be judged for every word that we utter and the motivation behind those words. Having said that, I attended N.T.C.C. college, I was a Co-Pastor, and I pioneered a church as a Pastor, it was under God's direction and not under an organizations direction. I am no longer a member of N.T.C.C. but I am convinced of there mission as being God ordained, most of these responses in my opinion are foundless, and hate filled to destroy the work of God, these men that lead this organization are responsible to God and God alone. I would ask each of you, what is your motivation? What do you plan to accomplish?
I would ask you to consider what you are doing.
Like I said I no longer belong to this organization, but I do love and pray for them, that souls would be won for Jesus Christ.
was a comment on the dispatch!
"Slander is the oral communication of false statements that are harmful to a person's reputation. If the statements are proven to be true, it is a complete defense to a charge of slander. Oral opinions that don't contain statements of fact don't constitute slander."
(definitions.uslegal.com)
He has a Doctorate, and doesn't know the difference between slander, opinion, and libel.
Otherwise good post sir, but please get your facts straight!
Anon!
it was under God's direction and not under an organizations direction
If he thought ntcc is so wonderful. Why did he leave the org. in the first place. Sounds like someone is still fearful of ntcc. wants to make sure he isn't the one exposing them. Got his ROSE colored glasses on.
Oh,I still love them,there still doing Gods word! What a bunch of crap!
If he believed what he writes. he would still be in ntcc to this day. But like he said. He has left ntcc! Something had to be wrong for him to leave!
Something on my mind. Just sticking this in.
Ever been into Mike K. mansion? Chandliers,chunky furniture,cook-coo clocks,grand piano,ect.
And then how they parade around with what is supposed to be expensive suits,Tanya with what she thinks is the latest fashion sense for a penticostle fashion for a woman.
Well,guess what Mike Your OUT of Style. Since being out,contemporary furniture is IN. and chunky,heavy wood is OUT!
We all know that it is a matter of PRIDE for you and your wife to be the hypest in ntcc. try to set yourself above others.
Guess what,your kind of behind the times. What was that rw davis would say,don't be the first in fashion or the last one out. YIKES<looks like your the last one out!
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