It's funny how soon folks forget and then the change takes place.Mr. Kekel has decided to try and capitalize on some favorable comments made by Nellashara on his blog. When I say favorable, I mean comments that reflect favorably upon the NTCC. He wants to exploit her as the forgiving kind the likes of which he suggests we all should be. Now to Kekels credit, he did apologize to her. So is that proof that the almighty NTCC was wrong? Couldn't be. Read the statement below and you decide. Well the funny part is that it was on the 27 of May, nearly one year ago that Nellashara wrote the statement found below right here on this blog, and of course it is archived for all to read. A link to the thread can be found directly below.
http://truestoriesoflifeinthentcc.blogspot.com/2009/05/fort-riley-and-junction-city-kansas.html
On the 27th of May, 2009, on this blog, Nellashara wrote:
Dawn,
I think we had a somewhat similar experience..except mine under Rev Boles.
He was abusive. He told us we were a dry church, because we didn't clap and yell at every word he said. We were "punished" with soul-winning and revivals because we didn't bring enough people to church. Who then were run off. Your contacts looked a you as being a friend and couldn't understand why you would bring them to a service to be verbally assaulted. Bro Jeff...that was the worst feeling in the world. I still feel some guilt over it.
He called one sister a whore in service in front of her husband because she disagreed with the standards. He told us who to talk to and when...(not that we listened) If your spouse left the church, you were to treat them in such a manner that would cause them to divorce you. Dude I really thought he was looking on the back of a cereal box and making this up!
We had multiple meetings with him...still didn't change. Then finally he said "Folks this is what I was taught.." I saw the look on his face. He was sincere, frustrated...something clicked I began to feel sorry for him. He was truly repentant...yet he could not understand what he did wrong.
It was a very painful time in my life.
Jeff wrote...
That statement was certainly highly unfavorable where the NTCC is concerned and how things have changed. It was one of the most scathing statements written about the NTCC right here on this blog to this very day. Now for the record, I understand why Nellashara has decided to move past all that and I can respect her decision. That doesn't mean I take the same stance because obviously and justifiably I don't. There have been too many times that similar treatment was dished out by NTCC pastors in addition to (Boles the Jerk), for me to simply forget and not warn others to avoid such abuse. How do you avoid such abuse? Simply don't go to the NTCC for any reason. There is no way on Gods green earth that I will ignore such abuse knowing fully good and well that it continues to go on within the NTCC. Nellashara can move on, and be the good Samaritan, and speak favorably about the NTCC, but I'm not the one, and I haven't forgot nor will I. The NTCC is one seriously sorry organization masquerading as a church.
And by the way; these NTCC traveling revival ministers often act like "Prima Donnas". "I want my coffee fixed just like this". "I want my food fixed just like this". "The Home needs to look just like this". "Sister, you need to fold the towels just like this". I saw so much of that stuff it practically made me puke. It was more then just making things nice for the so called "man of God". It was egotistical, Prima Donnaism and it was expected.
If you want to have it "your way" go to Burger King you pompous Prima Donna and get up and fix your own coffee or drink it the way I fix it and be happy about it. Half of those guys just want to be catered to and it's flat out disgusting and I witnessed it just about every single time they came by the serviceman's home. Taking up all these special offerings for the traveling minister when the NTCC INC is nothing but a cash cow and the local pastor and three quarters of his church members are essentially broke. The NTCC INC should pay for their travel and "ALL" expenses. BLAAAAAT. That was me puking up dinner cause it makes me sick.
Jeff
Jeff
20 comments:
Bro Jeff,
Roger, brother, as Superman states "I am always around".
Good to hear from you to. Are you on Facebook?
I could not help but notice that someone from the Phillipines was on your blog... interesting!
Take care Bro!
Bro Johnson
Hey Bro J. No I'm not on Facebook. For whatever reason I just never quite got into it. As you know this blog kind of takes up a bit of my time.
Philippines? That is interesting; I hadn't noticed. The word is getting around, I can tell you that. It would get around a lot faster but the NTCC damage control machine still runs strong and unfortunately it probably always will.
Good to hear from you Bro and take care.
Jeff
Mike K. wants folks to believe that it is NOT expected that you pamper,spoil the ministers and wife that come to visit the local church.
rw davis himself said,he would not come unless his air fair was paid and he had wheels to get around with. I can remember while in the local Church./ They made sure his room was stocked with his favorite's,newspaper,coffee,navy beans. I love to have company over. I usually ask there likes or dislike's. But there might be something on the plate they don't like. NOBODY has to jump through that many hoops for ONE MAN!
We hosted the Kinsons when we were in ntcc. You still felt that expectations. It is expected WITHOUT being said outloud. We scraped something together. Gave him the little offerring money we had to give. Which would have done more good in our own pockets. Taking care of our needs,and our child. Since your already paying for all the church needs,your family needs,and of course bills! I DREADED when a minister and his wife would come into town.
Olson came a couple time's. Always Late,late at night. We had a young child. And to drag her out into the night. To sit in there RV. Go over books. As if a audit could not be scheduled during the daytime. Without hauling me and our child along.
It is all about putting us at a inconvience! They don't really think of our needs. Only there own!
CM
Amen to that Sister. Now that's the "Real Story". Take care CM.
Jeff
Talking about hosting.
How many a times we were cleaning the church and doing all these things for what?
I remember so clearly this pastor was so excited that rw was driving by his church to be in one service and this pastor for some reason has always been so affraid or maybe it is an inferiority complex when he is around these people,he couln't talk or do anything right, but anyways, this pastor was so thrilled to tell rw that they've just had 85 people in church and when he goes outside to greet rw and his entourage rw just looked at him with a condescending face and passed by him and told him:"why didn't you have more!"
The guys face fell to the floor and everybody that was around him busted out laughing.
Puttin' on the dog for what? Some like ashmore, olson are very particular about germs and if they see a speck of dirt on your floor or whatever that they think is unsanitary they will "suggest" to the pastor that they want to go to a restaurant better.
Enjoy hosting!
I removed my post because I discovered a huge grammatical error lol. Here's my edited post:
Ha! Your statement brought back something that had been the back of my memory banks.
Rev. Salon was coming to visit, and he told us that he HATES pepper, that he won't eat anything with it. Now, I can understand not liking a particular food, and if someone is having me over for dinner and asks if there's anything I don't like, I don't hesitate to tell them that I don't like seafood. In fact, I despise it, but I'm fairly nice when I tell people I don't care for seafood. At any rate, we (the pastor's family and my family, and Rev. Salon) were sitting around the table eating supper, and he was practically boasting of one time when he went somewhere (excuse the vagueness, I don't remember where it was or when) and the pastor's wife served pepper in the corn. He all but sent it back to the kitchen to be de-peppered! I'm sorry, but that's just rude. If there's something on the table I know I won't like, I eat the other stuff being served. So far, I've never had ONLY seafood be served, so I guess we'll see how I'll deal with that if the time ever comes (bleh! lol). I have tried some really narly stuff because that's what was being served. If I don't know what it is, I'll try a small amount, and if I don't like it, I don't ask for more. I certainly DON'T make a big stink out of something being served that I don't care for, especially when they didn't have to invite me over in the first place!!!!
Then he came to a second bible study. He accused Pastor Kinson of “shooting at him” in the first Bible Study, but the lesson from Acts about the ungodly fighting the church was not pre-arranged “just for him”, sorry. Bruce Smith followed Pastor Kinson around, red-faced and flailing his arms and reciting the accusations of the X’ers. We had already told him in the interview that we had no interest in debate of the X’ers issues and lies, but he kept on. We still have no such interest. He proceeded to angrily protest to PK, saying, that if he didn’t surrender sensitive, private information about how much people are paid, and what the income of the church was, he would publish that PK is level-3 child abuser and felon (which he isn’t
IF Bruce did do this. This is NOT helping the cause out at all! He is making the article look bad. Giving Mike K. ammuniation to use for his damage control posts.
Did you see he is all full of pride. Now that more people are coming on his blog. AS IF there coming to check out ntcc for postive reasons. I wrote to him,which he will NEVER post. Folks go on the internet to check out ntcc. So they know what there getting into. BEFORE getting STUCK in the mist of FALSE TEACHERS!
Hey ladies,remember those prayer meetings. Women waling,walking as fast as they can. Hurrying in for precious spot to kneel down and PRETEND to be speaking in tongues. so many of those women do Things FOR LOOKS! Seen woman full of pride because they are look alikes to Tanya K. Look I found some THIRFT store shoes,purse,dress that looks as nice as Tanya's. Except she bought hers off the rack and you got it after a few people have worn it. Because that is all you can afford and ten years later. That is all you will still be able to afford!
Now there doing women luncheons. Appealing to the PUBLIC. a POTLUCK! GASP! RW davis BASHED POTLUCKS ALL THE TIME. BASHED women wearing tennis shoes with there dress. Did not want to appear like the penticostle or Baptist's! they are now doing the EXACT OPPOSITE that RW davis preached against. And in his words,he was directed by God. And God NEVER Makes a mistake. And there having potlucks. Totally going against rw davis and GOD!
Keep sharing Mike K. We will find out more of the COMPROMISE going on! This is awesome!
CM
Jeff,
I recently bought my wife a Black 2007 Audi A4. Brother, it is nice!!
I would not be able to afford this, even while paying my SUV off had I been a member of NTCC.
I recall in fellowships past that a group of ministers or brothers pitched together some money to buy Davis (he ain't no Rev!) a Car or a Cadallac. This is sick. Force the guy to buy his own car with honest funds.
Buy the way some NTCC sympathizer named Danny cut and pasted my comments to the Dispatch. How low can someone go?
That is telling me that someone is desperate! Ha Ha!! I hope they cut and paste THIS!!
Take Care Bro, Blessings to you and your family!!
Bro Johnson
Mike Kekel said, "He can't keep facts straight, therefore he won't get any more from us."
It's funny how that when it comes to the financial accountability portion of the series concerning NTCC, that the leadership stops the interview.
Well, the financial piece is actually easy - Mike Kekel has ALL THE MONEY!!!!
Just initate an audit of his tax records, case closed!!
What should be blitzed is military installations,chaplains. Anyway to get the information out to the troops. To go on-line. Read,be informed about ntcc. They are vunerable to ntcc and there ploys. Of love,home cooked meal,a casual home setting. taking folks away from home for the first time. they are sitting ducks for ntcc picking.
I have informed a few friends I know that are in the military. To stay away and to tell others. the more that folks know they more informed they are. The better off they will be. STAY AWAY from ntcc store fronts,service home's,
Why I come on here and do what I do. Is to toss that lifeline to my fellow military members,and civilians that do not need to go through what so many of us lived!
CM
Mike Kekel said, "He can't keep facts straight, therefore he won't get any more from us."
HA HA HA
ntcc hasn't given the man any facts yet, just smoke and mirrors routine!
liars won't even admit how few people they have, how few churches
liars point out empty buildings and say, there is our library, there is our teen center
THAT SIT EMPTY AND UNUSED
liars who say,
"We're friendly though."
Jeff,
I have one last little spill.
I was just telling my version of events while in NTCC so people can make their own decision.
I apologize to anyone in or out of ntcc if I hurt or offended anyone.Especially if I called you friend. Like Angie,Dawn and handful of other ex-ers I have realized that with this particular battle, there is no "happy medium". Some people say they want your side of the story but, sometimes the reaction that follows does not convey that. Most of the time the fault lies with the communicator.
At any rate my best advice to anyone in or out is not to lose sight of God and to love your family.
Best wishes,
Nellashara
Well Nellashara this is how I see it. Literally hundreds of us have reported the same kinds of abuse, double standards, hypocrisy, totally inconsiderate conduct, lack of common decency, mean spirited verbal abuse and misuse of the pulpit committed by countless NTCC pastors.
These occurrences are absolutely not isolated acts of misconduct but rather they are common place within the NTCC.
My question is, if you knew the specific whereabouts of a rapist, or child abuser, or an individual that commits felony assault and battery habitually, or a compulsive thief / robber, would you not warn people to avoid such an individual?
Well I liken the NTCC to the above mentioned but in many respects even worse.
It's no joking matter when an individual dedicates literally decades of their life to an organization just to learn that it is filled with ministers that commit and have committed the same kinds of double standards, hypocrisy, totally inconsiderate conduct, lack of common decency, mean spirited verbal abuse and misuse of the pulpit. The problem Nellashara is that the NTCC leadership not only does much of the same stuff but more significantly they cover up like occurrences within their organization while doing their very best to keep it all quiet and that is utterly sickening. If it weren't for the internet we wouldn't know 1/1000th of all the crooked practices that have existed and still exist withing the NTCC and I take that very serious especially when I see young GI's being prayed upon.
I care about these young GI's but the NTCC doesn't. I took good care of these young GI's for about 16 years while I was a leader in the Army and the NTCC doesn't even care about them but rather they use them for their own gain and when they are finished with them they spit them out like an old piece of gum.
All you have to do to prompt the NTCC to be finished with you is simply speak out against their double standards and abuse and rather than fix the problem, they will be finished with you also. My wife and I spoke out about an abusive NTCC pastor and all it did was get us banned from conferences.
So Nelleshara, think it not strange that I use this blog as a tool to warn folks to stay away from the NTCC. I can't reach everyone or even come close but I can certainly try because the NTCC is one "SERIOUSLY" crooked organization and this blog has "NOTHING" to do with God or my family. My family is out of the NTCC and God hates the deeds of the NTCC just like God hates the deeds of the Nicolaitanes: Rev 2:6
Jeff
Additionally, I could care less about the good qualities that do in fact exist with certain NTCC ministers.
The good doesn't cancel out the bad. That is like saying it's ok do commit armed robbery, just because you helped the old lady to cross the street earlier that day. That is like saying it's ok to steal someone's car just because you returned a lost wallet full of money to it's rightful owner earlier the same day.
I'm not interested in whether or not an NTCC minister is a "nice guy" or not when three of his comrades just verbally abused someones wife by calling her a "whore" or "Jezebel" or "fat" or jumped all over her because some control freak NTCC pastor thinks her dress is a quarter inch too high. The same dude who wouldn't even have noticed if he hadn't been looking at her legs in the first place.
Some of these guys are real creeps and have no business being in charge of a rat say no less a congregation. One of the biggest problems is that few people in the NTCC (other than a few older veterans) are professionally qualified by virtue of some legitimate accredited training to lead anyone and I'm sure that is 95% of the problem. A rare few just have good sense but the remaining vast majority have never received and or implemented any legitimate leadership / management training and as a result that estimated 95% aren't even qualified to lead anyone. I don't believe the majority were even genuinely called and it's doubtful that the ones who were, were ever legitimately chosen. I'm not talking about being chosen by RWD either because he's been proven to be as or more abusive than the rest.
Plainly put the vast majority of these guys are simply not qualified and that is why so many of them have obviously become out of control, loose canons.
You can take my analysis to the bank because I saw the same occurrences coming from young Buck Sergeants in the Army. Half of these ministers never even made it that far and half the ones who did make "Buck Sergeant" never remained in long enough to really learn jack! Not all mind you but many fall in this category. And now their supposed to be qualified to lead an entire congregation? Please, and that fact combined with RWDs kooky teachings have molded some real control freak, abusive, jerks. I witnessed it over and over and over from pastor after pastor after pastor.
I'm not interested in hearing about their few good deeds which are few and far between anyway. Kekel and RWD teach against doing any real charity anyway and that is evidenced by their own doctrinal statement. Read it! The most charity half of these guys have ever did is telling someone "I appreciate you brother" the very service before they tell them where they can find the door.
Jeff
Jeff: I was wondering why would somebody spend so much time trying to say that the reporter is of a different religion, and going on and on trying to discredit the exers, what is the use, shouldn't he just go on and try to use other strategy?
blovd
blovd, He could; but he won't.
kekel is using an old cult tactic:
It's called the US vs. THEM mentality. It is very effective.
Timing is everything.
Here comes conference; let's get everybody whipped-up into a frenzy thinking we are the persecuted church, the last bastion of light against the ramparts of evil such as the spirit of ramtha.
BLAH BLAH BLAH
Take up an offering.
NOW GET OUT THERE AND KNOCK ON DOORS LEST ramtha HAVE MORE PEOPLE IN SERVICE THAN WE DO!
It's really all hooey, and kekel knows it. But he knows people want to serve a cause. So he creates a phony sense of hysteria and it's time to go....
The truths exposed about ntcc are working. People will leave. So kekel has to work extra hard getting anyone who stays to recruit even more fresh replacements. You know how it is. More positive thinking speeches and all that jazz they pass off as classes in conferences.
Discrediting sources is just a bonus to a sociopath like kekel. He fits that profile so well. Only he can be right. So it's just sport or game to discredit others. To him everyone is expendable anyway. Might as well have some fun with it...
Read the "Other Related Qualities" portion of the profile link, the second sentence. kekel.
Thanks to whoever contributed and posted that profile on Deb's blog.
Chief,
Did you ever have to deal with domestic violence complaints where somebody called the police, but instead of being glad to get rescued, the one being beaten "flips" on the police and attacks the officer?
Something ntcc prides themselve's on. Well the women and there pride. There thinking is the dresses they were,purses that match there shoes. Kooky strange looking hair duo's. All of that makes them "feminie" lady like. More then women that wear pants,jewlery and make-up.
As I have been out. I have discovered quite the opposite. I can now do little things to pamper me,girly lotions,fingernail polish,make-up. All of it makes me a Girl. Not a stuffy woman that walks around thinking she is the best example of "holiness" that by living by the ntcc STANDARDS. They are that much closer to God,there righteousness is sweeter then others.
That is a BIG hang up those in ntcc have. There standards make them sweeter savor with God. Then other Christians. Who they don't even consider true Christians. Unless they dress like those in ntcc dress. Give of there time like ntcc does(they have NO LIFE)
I know wear pants. even wear GASP,sleeveless shirt. My cloths are actually MORE modest then Tanya's TIGHT knit dresses,chocker scarfs,TIGHT blazers,slinky high heels. She look more like a HO on the street. Then I have EVER looked. Modest is in the heart of each person. Modesty can not be made as a RULE,standard,policy by a MAN!
I also wear jewlery. Simple,pretty items. UNLIKE the GAUDY diamond rings that Tanya wears and the uppity up wive's in ntcc that try to Emulate after Tanya. You want to see Pride. Walk into a service. These women raising there hands. JUST to look at there UGLE huge diamonds. What a WASTE of Gods money!
CM
Folks are told we leave ntcc to become more like the "world". Os that we are leaving for the lust of money!
Guess what folks,that is not true. if becoming like the world is being able to afford to take care of our health! If being like the world is,having food in our pantry. Or,providing for our children,giving them a childhood. Like some are afforded,but not for all.
If being like the world is,not being stressed out ALL the TIME! You will be amazed at the stress that just leave's the brain/body when you escape ntcc.
Free to have your OWN choice's. Yes,you might have a bit more choice now. BUT,it is ONLY because Mike K. has allowed it to happen.Because his dirty secrets have been exposed. So he has to cover it all up. And make it all look rosey again. So he does not lose even more folks.
Guess what,if your still in ntcc. Watching folks like the Shunks leave,Butlers,Rickertes,Bellmans,And many,many more. And your led to believe. I have to pull myself up by my bootstraps. And get into Gods word even more,pray even more. Because that could be me,leaving ntcc. I can only hope that you can be like me. And get to escape this controlling cult. We are NOT leaving to be like the "world",or for the lust of money. I will say,God has blessed us with better health care,food in our pantry,nice cloths on our backs,house for the roof over our head since leaving ntcc. So if that is being like the world. THEN Mike K. is being like the world as his YES MEN and YES WOMEN(johnson,olson,gesang,gandy,defranchesco,and of course RW DAVIS and his mansion) Who can not be sastified with what he had. He LUSTED after a bigger home,and a HUGE gate to keep everyone out!
CM
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