There have been discussions taking place on the previous thread concerning whether or not the Kekel's son should be considered quote " socially disadvantaged". I think my wife's research and analysis best describes G.K's social experiences. It's all in black in white, you just have to look for it.
What many don't understand is that by virtue of the school G. Kekel has attended, his socialization experience has been vastly different from the typical NTCC kid. I recall a conversation when Verna Davis told of a school trip to Canada that G.K. attended. This included an overnight stay. I'm not sure how many days. That classifies as a sleepover in my book. Tanya Kekel stating that her son was not allowed to attend sleepovers is just another one of their half-truths in my opinion. School trips and outings are sleepovers, just not at someone's private residence. G. Kekel has probably partook of many such school-sponsored excursions.
At the bottom I've attached a hyperlink to Charles Wright Academy 2009-2010 report that clearly outlines requirements for their graduates. Backpacking, sea kayaking, camping, 15 hours community service per year, mandatory senior internships, and mandatory sports participation doesn't sound like a situation where G.Kekel had no opportunity to socialize outside of NTCC.
Also note the report states that CWA is a college prep day school where 100% of their graduates attend a 4-year college. I guess that rules out NTCS for G. Kekel. Also (pun intended) NTCS is not on the college matriculation list.
My point: G. Kekel has not missed out on socialization having been an NTCC kid. While the rest of NTCC has kept the strict rules of no sleepovers, only 2 visitors, and no fraternizing with the world, the Kekels have indulged their son in all sorts of "worldly" experiences. They've gotten away with it right under everyone's noses. Why? A possible response from Mike Kekel: "Silly rabbits, don't you know we were just following the requirements mandated by G K's school."
Below is the link to the document I referenced. When you open the link, make sure you scroll through and at the bottom, look carefully at the list of "additional graduation requirements". These are activities that other NTCC children have been deprived of because they were considered worldly and of no benefit to "God's program".
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Grant does not live a disadvantaged life nor will he the way I see it. I think Jeff and his Wife are right about this one. The kid has been allowed to do all kinds of different things including socializing with non-NTCC kids. One hour a day is spent in church and approximately 10 hours a day are spent in school not to speak of all the other activities that he has been allowed to participate in with non-NTCC kids. He probably spent more time at football practice than he did in church.
What would you expect the kid to be exposed to? Drugs? Drinking? Walking the streets of a city ghetto late at night? All kinds of loose girls? All kinds of wild parties? Would those activities make him normal? There is nothing wrong with a private academy and especially the one that Grant attended. Grant has lived an ideal childhood outside of all the NTCC brainwashing that I'm not so certain he was subject to anyway. He has always been allowed to do stuff that other NTCC kids couldn't.
There should be no reason that Grant will have any problems adjusting out in the world, a world that he has experienced a lot more of than most other NTCC kids.
Yep, Grant lives a privileged life. And the proud sponsors? The people that made all of this possible?
Yep........You got it! The people of NTCC!!!!!
NTCC took away my dignity, But God gave it back to me.
Jeff's Wife said...
Also note the report states that CWA is a college prep day school where 100% of their graduates attend a 4-year college.
LTravis said...
The day GK entered CWA Mike must have known he was going to a 4 year college. The interesting thing is if GK doesn't attend a 4 year college CWA can no longer make that claim.
I'm going back to 1990 for just a minute and as I recall I encouraged my wife to work part time for the local school district.
The only reason I wanted my wife to work was so her teaching certificate would stay current with the state.
I don't understand from a biblical stand point or any other why you would throw away 6 years of college. I didn't want my wife’s hard work to disappear because some uneducated pastor said the bible says a woman is not to work. I’m still waiting for that scripture to appear.
The NTCC has changed because back in the day the NTCC would shut you down if you even thought about a higher education outside of their church. I say you can't have it both ways.
com•pro•mise
Charlie Daniels said...
The rich man goes to college and the poor man goes to work.
LTravis
This particular Thread bring back all kinds of memories for me. If I sound angry, or bitter, it's because I am and I'll not try to hide it or blow smoke up anyone's Butt.
Grant has choices, I didn't. I don't begrudge the young man for that reason. What really bothers me is all the Clintonesque answers that Mike gives, as well as the spin that he tries to put on things concerning this matter. I mean, does he really think that people are stupid enough to buy into the explanation that the "Fellowship" never said that it wasn't sinful to receive a secular education?
I'll not try to go into detail right now, Because I don't have the time. But I will say that I wish I could have gone to College. Being raised in Foster homes, My only chance was to try and get a Football Scholarship to be able to go. I was good enough to have several teams want me to come as a "Walk on", But not good enough for any of them to ask me to sign the dotted line. I was forced into the Army. The Army really wasn't a choice, But more of a lack of options.
I would never, EVER recommend any branch of the Armed Forces to a young man, or woman. More about that later.
I hope Grant goes to School, and does well. I hope that he will also understand that it took the SACRIFICE'S OF OTHER PEOPLE TO MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO GO IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!
If your going to bash the military. I really wish you would consider your words carefully! Alot of us,were nto PUSHED into serving our country. Ready to defend the US! I joined to fight for my country. And for No other reason!
April
Well April.....Good for you!! I have considered my words, and I stand behind them. If you were not pushed into the Military, Then that is great, But I think that it is safe to assume that I did not have the same experience as you, So I will continue to mean what I say and say what I mean.
I figure I'll throw in my two cents here for what it's worth. I love the military and of course I served for over 20 years and I draw my retirement which I'm quite glad to have. Do I expect everyone to like the military? No. Do I like the military? Most definitely! In fact I would prefer to be back in. Do I want to go oversees? No!!! Do I think there is a cause for the U.S. to be in Afghanistan and Iraq? Sometimes I do and sometimes I don't and I'm confident that the U.S. has made decisions in the past that has resulted in the need for us to be some place that we otherwise may have been able to avoid.
So what I'm saying is that I'm extremely pro military and not so pro government. The government has stuck it's nose in the world in some areas in the past which has caused us problems during the present. That does not make the military a bad institution. Having said all that everyone is entitled to their opinion the way I see it. The military is not for everyone and I offer no apologies when I say that it is most definitely for me or anyone in my family who is interested in joining. I wouldn't be really excited about one of my family members going to Iraq of Afghanistan though. Lets face it; they are dangerous places this day and age and I believe they always were.
Airborne - Air Assault. That's me baby, hoorah.
Jeff
Mark G. If I came off Popuous and rude when I stood up for the military. So sorry about that. I also stand behind what I say! What I could have said. If your going to come on and bash the military. Be prepaired for others to come right back and support the military and joining the military!
I joined when I was 19 years old. And wanted to join a military branch since I was in fifth grade. I am kind of that way,once I make my mind. That is what I want,and stick to it. I hate quitting. Silly,but one thing that did bother me big time when we left ntcc. I felt like a quitter.
That is one BIG thing ntcc robbed me of. My career in the Marine's. I joined to be a lifer. Or I was going to stay in for so many years. Get out and go to police acadmey! I still have Huge respect for the police force.
I wish you did not have a negative view of the military. We actually got back into the military. Hubby rejoined the Army. He got a awesome bonus,got his GI bill back,made some great friends,financially more stable. Now he is getting out,and going into a medical field,using his GI bill.
As for me. If My kids want to join the military. I would not forbid them. I would be there with them in the recruiters officer. So they do not get screwed over! that is what DH had on his side this time. Age,maturity helped him make a better MOS pick.
I am patriotic to my core!
April
Just so there is no misunderstanding I don't blame Mark one bit for not being pro military. Like I said, it is not for everyone. There were times during my twenty years that I wasn't very pro military either. However with me, (where the military is concerned) through it all, the good far outweighed the bad.
With the NTCC, it wasn't all bad either however through it all things were just the opposite. With the NTCC, the bad severely outweighed the good. BY FAR!!! I served with some really great leaders in the Army. In the NTCC, the leaders by far all stunk. The practice of excessive double standards makes any leader stink and that is regular with NTCC pastors who follow RWD and Kekel. Double standards are also a regular practice with Davis and Kekel.
All these NTCC pastors know what the NTCC used to be and what it has become. As someone previously wrote they've done the big flip flop. It's all been for the Kekels sake and anyone who can't see it is blind as a bat. The NTCC has become an organization full of blind followers and hypocrites. You have to be blind to keep following the Kekels and RWD has enabled them so he is just as bad or worse.
Jeff
I feel quite sure that I'm not the only one in the World that has unfulfilled dreams. I recognize the fact that there are people out here that are retired, As well as pro military people. That's great. I can handle differences of opinion. But until you have walked a mile in my shoes, You can't possibly understand where I'm coming from.
Like I said, I would have a different outlook on the Military if things didn't turn out like they did for me. Perhaps, As time goes on I'll get into detail as to why I feel this way. If you had a good experience, Then I think that it's great, And I wish you all the best. But as for me.......
I despise the Military. And yes, I was Honorably Discharged.
I don't blame or fault you a bit for feeling that way.
Sincerely,
Jeff
Thank you, Jeff.
Age,maturity helped him make a better MOS pick.
I am patriotic to my core!
April
This is not "Pick on April" week, But it brings something to my remembrance that my wife said when she spoke about her late deceased Husband. He was in the Army at the time when this happened and she told me the story about how that he went in. (It was either volunteer, or get drafted at the time)
At any rate, He went in and was guaranteed that he would not have to go overseas because he was just recently married. 3 days into his Honeymoon he got orders to go to Korea. He could not take his wife over to Korea, So he was stuck over there for 13 months by himself. And get this.....The kicker was that they didn't even have his MOS over there so he took a clerical position (Or was "Forced" into it) Anyway, Whenever it came time for him to "ReUp" He had the satisfaction of telling the person who ask him about it (and who knew the story) that it would be a cold day in Hades before he ever even entertained even the thought of reenlisting.
I remember when it came time for me to "ReUp". I was very low key, And didn't go around advertising the fact that I was a "Short Timer". The 1st Sargent talked with me briefly about it, And I told him that I would "Think about it" which really wasn't the truth at all, But I didn't want to make any waves.
Anyway, To make a long story short, Whenever it became apparent to him that I have no desire to stay it, I started to find myself on Guard Duty every other day. I got sick, and went to the Doctors office and got a bunch of medication, and a profile, And the 1st Sargent called the Doctor up and got my profile lifted just so I could pull Guard Duty. I guess his way of thinking was I might as well make his life miserable since I know I'm not going anywhere.
I better not even get started!!!!
F=Fun
T=Travel
A=Adventure!!!!!!!
Mark, you happened to have some bad experiences in the military which would obviously make you quite displeased to say the least. I had a bunch of bad experiences as well in the Army, but with me the good far outweighed the bad. That obviously wasn't the case for you and I understand. The more rank I got the better it got for the most part. I had good jobs as a lower enlisted but the ones that I had as a Senior NCO were far better with not as much nonsense to put up with.
I spent some time on guard duty during the time that I had a pretty good Satellite MOS but I don't remember it bothering me that much. I was on guard duty when I was a PFC and I was Sergeant of the guard when I was a Staff Sergeant. I got funeral detail when I was a Sergeant First Class taking care of bereaved spouses. Didn't like that a bit, but it came with the territory. Special duties just came along with the army territory. Half the time I didn't work in my MOS and sometimes it was by choice.
I always got the assignment that the Army had promised, so in that category, with me, there were no surprises.
I worked for a General for a year and it was truly an honor. I was a Platoon Sergeant for years and each time it was very rewarding. While I was an E-7, I served as a First Sergeant twice. I liked being a Platoon Sergeant better. I was an instructor which I enjoyed immensely. I was a Battalion Plans and Training NCO which wasn't a bad job either and my supervisor, (the S-3) was OUTSTANDING.
She is a General now and she was probably the best supervisor that I ever had while I was in the Army; which is probably why she made General. The NTCC doesn't have one leader who is anywhere near her caliber. They are all duds in comparison. As leaders they are duds anyway so they can't compare. I compare them to some of the young, power hungry, control monger, new Buck Sergeants that I had to straighten out when I was a Platoon Sergeant.
Make no mistake; these NTCC pastors are some really poor leaders. The best way to describe many of them is "insecure control mongers". That includes RWD and Kekel.
I enjoyed the military and as a result it is sad to hear that it didn't work out for you. I'd like to believe that you'd have found things to be different had you worked for a good leader.
Jeff
Thanks Jeff,
To some out here I know I've been a little grating, So I'll be quiet about it now. Thank you for not trying to "Censure",or "Silence" me. You let me speak my piece, and I appreciate that. This thread brought back a myriad of thoughts for me. Some good, some bad. It is not my purpose to antagonize anyone. I just know that there is no going back and doing it over again, But I also know that I have a few choices.
(1)I can let this continue to fester, and die an angry, bitter old man.
(2) I can trust the sovereignty of God, and say that things worked out for the best in the long run. I think that the better of the choice is #2.
I will say that I met people while I was in the Army that I still count as friends. People that I know out here, as well as people that I haven't seen in almost 30 years who would be as welcome at my house as I would be at theirs.
I really hope that Grant Kekel does well in School. But I just wish that his Old man would stop all the Spin, as well as the BS (Don't worry, I meant Baloney Sandwiches)
April, I'm happy for you, as well as your husband. But just please keep in mind that some of us don't have the luxury of going back and fixing things. You all did, And I wish you the best.
Kindest Regards, Mark
April, I'm happy for you, as well as your husband. But just please keep in mind that some of us don't have the luxury of going back and fixing things. You all did, And I wish you the best.
Or you can make your own future! Which is why I am choosing. I got the VA disablity retraining to use. I had not used it,because I was destined to be a SAHM. Now I am looking to find something I would like to do as a job outside the home. For the first time,since I was in the United States Marines. Folks that are quite up there in years are still going to college. Because you did not go as a young person. Does not mean you can not go as you have aged! You can't go back,you can go forward from where your at!
And no I have not walked the walk you have walked. But mine is not that rosey either! Not many of us that went through ntcc for upteen years. Or my time in a Good Ole Boy controlled Marines.Going to come out with no mental scars. No way that I can say what I went through is worse then your experience's. And vise versa!
Ad far as going into the Marines. Getting what I wanted,ect. I was a Cook in the marines. Yeah,doesn't that sound like a lovely job! I don't think so.Everything I have been through in life.I Can take alot of life lessons from them. I learned alot more while I was in the military that I can apply to life then I can from my years in ntcc.
To each is to there own. I will take up for the military any chance I get. I like what you said Jeff,the good did out weight the bad.
and as far as picking on me. I really do not care. Since I have what ntcc took away from me. I can stand up,on my own two feet. And give it just as much as it is given!! I will also stand up for what I believe!
April
Semper FI!
You know April.....
I got enough preaching when I was at NTCC to last me for a lifetime. Perhaps you mean well, But I think that you assume to many things in your last post about me.
If you had a good experience, Then GOOD FOR YOU!!! I didn't!! However, I believe that it is important to be balanced, So, I will give the good, as well as the bad. If that makes me somehow "Unpatriotic" then that is OK too. I've been called worse by better.
You don't have to wear a Uniform to carry yourself with dignity, pride, or to have honor.
You are right about that Mark.
I disliked the Army and am glad my own son never enlisted, but there is no question that it helped me in many ways. It's that way with many life experiences, including NTCC; the negative ones are often the most beneficial. Obviously I'm vehemently opposed to the leadership's practices and attitudes, but in the final analysis, they could only inflict temporary harm, and as the adage goes, whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. So I'm not filled with angst and regret, but neither am I sentimental about either institution.
When it comes to evaluating our lives, we are at a disadvantage in that we can't know how alternative paths would have worked out. We may think avoiding the org would have been better, but it could very well have been worse. The important thing is learning and applying the appropriate lessons. And there are plenty of them to learn from the cruel NTCC taskmasters.
You sir Mark G read to much inbetween the lines. I never called you unpatriotic!!
Like I said,.you can say what you want and bash the military. and I can come on and support the military 100%. As far as preaching. If that is how you take it. So be it. I was NOT PREACHING. sharing our TRUE STORIES is what this blog is about. Which is what I was doing. and have been doing since Jeff put this blog up. and other folks were sharing there OPINIONS. Which is what I was did!!
Wipe my hands of this conversation. It is really going to go no where!
April
You sir Mark G read to much in between the lines. I never called you unpatriotic!!
I never said that you called me "Unpatriotic". I believe I said "If it somehow makes me Unpatriotic, so be it."
As I had indicated in one of my other posts, I just wish I would have had more choices 33 years ago. Coincidentally, Tomorrow will mark 33 years ago that I "officially" joined the Army.
Sure, There were "Good" things that came out of the Army. I have commented on some of those things. But, I also diluted the statement by saying that the "Bad" outweighs the "Good". My Brother was in the Army for 20 years. My wish was that I dad not of been PUSHED into the Military Service. To me it wasn't a choice, But a lack of options at the time, Just a way to "Unload" me, If you will.
I have to Chuckle about it now, But when my Football Coach found out about it he went through the ceiling. He told me that he had assumed that I would go to College because I was a Foster child, and that the State would automatically pay for it. I told him that it would have happened "Only" If I had a GPA of 3.0 or higher. Mine was like 2.7,2.8.(C+) I had hopes of getting out and possibly going to college and playing football there, or possibly playing Semi Pro, But I started going to NTCC and then I tore my ACL and the rest, Well, It's history.
Jeff, That is cool about your S-3. Have you ever contacted her regarding the ntcc? Sometimes it's not just "what" you know, but "who". She, as a General, may know someone too etc.
Just a Thought.
Ange
Well, I'm feel quite certain that we will be finding out,(and very soon) what College Grant will be going to.
I just wonder if the young man lives in such a vacuum that he never ever just out of curiosity comes out here from time to time just to see what all the fuss is about. Or, If he is just plain unaware. I find that one very hard to believe.
Perhaps he won't even go to College. Maybe he'll join the Military. OK, Long-shot, I know.
You could be on to something Mark. I doubt he'll enlist, but one of the military academies would definitely be an option for G.Kekel. West Point, U.S. Naval Academy, and U.S. Air Force Academy would definitely line up with Charles Wright's goals. He'd be going off to the military (so-to-speak) while simultaneously attending college. Good point.
I don't know if they have changed the qualifications for at least West Point, But if memory serves me correctly I believe that you have to be "Sponsored" by someone. It seems to me like by a Congressman? I don't think that you can just take an SAT test and then they determine if you are "worthy" to attend like in most Schools.
But, I may be wrong on that one, So many things have changed.
Grant Kekel will be going to the University of Saint Louis with Ryan Langford (Kevin and Diane Smith's Son. Hypocricy at its finest. Thanks Kekel for teaching us young parents what to do to prepare our kids for thier future besides pioneering a church and starving them half to death.
-Semper Fi
Before anyone responds to this information about GK's potential college choice, please allow me time to verify its validity. Hello Semper Fi, could you call me or give a little bit more information on this blog about GK potentially attending the U of St. Louis? The reason I ask is because this is serious information that a lot of folks would be interested in and I just want to make sure that it's totally accurate.
I'm certainly not questioning your trustworthiness but of course you posted anonymously and as you can imagine not all the information posted can be always considered accurate. I've learned that it is important to do my best to try and verify this kind of info. I would start a thread with this info and before I do, I want to do my diligence to insure it's categorically accurate.
Please understand,
Sincerely,
Jeff
Actually my relative had to work a day with Grant K at a local insulation Company and he told me that Grant told him he was going to the University of St. Louis as well.
T
If and when this is verified, I would be interested in knowing. I've got something to say to Mike when I know for sure that this is verified. I won't be to nice about it, either. He will probably pull a Les Contreras, But, who knows, Perhaps not. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
We will see Mark. It does "appear" to be the case at this time. Maybe someone still in the NTCC who is disgruntled and who knows of the Kekels plans will come on here and provide yet some more information. We seem to have some pretty good info right now from Semper Fi and T.
It would make sense for GK to attend school in St. Louis anyway. The Kekels are probably still considered residents of Missouri (with the NTCC being a "Missouri Corporation") which would potentially qualify GK for grants and or resident scholarships. My daughter is getting ready to attend college, so for her to get the right scholarships in Georgia she must be a Georgia state resident. Of course this is speculation however it is a plausible explanation as to why GK would possibly be going to Saint Louis.
I looked up the school on-line and it has quite the reputation for having and providing some serious academics. The school is very highly rated to say the least. It certainly isn't some roody-poo university. It is the second highest ranked college or university in the entire state of Missouri and it's ranked #82 nationally. It's the real deal and I can absolutely see old Mikey sending his son there. It is also relatively affordable and that is relative.
Oh yeah, I can definitely see the old Mikey and Tanya sending their son to the U of St. Louis, especially since GK has certainly attended Charles Write at the cost of $20,000 a year. Nothing is too good for Old RDUB's grandson, (the prince of the NTCC). Screw the NTCS because it's not good enough for Grant. Who needs to be that serious about God anyway. The NTCS is only for the pawns and the lower class NTCC folks. It is certainly not for nobility such as Grant. Are you kidding me, that would be absurd.
You NTCC folks just got duped. You got bent over by Davis and Kekel and they didn't go easy on you. L.D. Jones daughter, drop out. Mayers daughter, kept back a year. I sure would hate to be a girl in the NTCC because they are being treated like crap. Their only hope in life is to marry some old broke NTCC minister (who doesn't even have a real diploma) and struggle just to keep food on the table while pioneering a church that will never belong to them. Boy the NTCC leadership and specifically RWD and Kekel have suckered the rest of the NTCC. Holy moly. What a con game.
I've heard RWD in conference praise the parents of children who were going to attend the NTCS and dog the ones who didn't. Are you NTCC folks so outright blind that you can't even see whats going on in your own crooked organization? Boy I thank God that neither me or anyone in my family ever attended the NTCS. I would be literately fit to be tied after finding out this information.
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Oh get this. The U of St. Louis is a "CATHOLIC" university. The NTCC has called the Catholics and anything to do with the Catholics a cult, the great whore and everything else that you can think of. Do you NTCC folks get this. According to NTCC standards that I've heard taught for years, the Kekels have sold their son to the devil having him attend a Catholic university assuming this information is credible which it would certainly appear to be. If I was still in the NTCC and I found out that GK was in fact attending the U of St. Louis, I would leave the organization so fast folks wouldn't even know what happened to me. As a so called holiness Christian, I wouldn't follow Mikey Kekel to the nearest toilet if I had the worst case of chronic diarrhea. I'd rather poop all over my self.
How in the world do you folks follow Mikey Kekel? Don't you know he is the head of your organization? You've got to be out of your mind if you think Mikey is leading you toward heaven. He ain't nothing but a stone cold hypocrite who is the biggest perpetuater of double standards that I think I've ever seen in my life.
Man you were DIRT in the NTCC if your kid left to attend a "Catholic University" with your blessings. You'd have gotten dogged and blasted at every conference that RWD preached at which was all of them. You know I'm speaking the truth. Holy cow. Man I thought I was a sucker spending as much time with the NTCC as I did but you folks that stick around got me beat by a mile. If I was in the NTCS and found out this information is true, I would drop out today and go to the U of St. Louis and get a real education with a real diploma.
The last great hope for man kind, what a joke? Go get a law degree at U of St. Louis so that you can really do a service to man kind. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. I am in my late 40s and I've never seen anything like this in my life. I have never personally witnessed so many good decent folks get took by one organization. The NTCC leadership has convinced you folks that the only hope for man kind is the NTCS and it would certainly appear that the Kekels son is heading off to a "Catholic University" for advanced secular schooling. All this is being done while you suckers (just like I was) attend the non-accredited NTCS where you have to follow every rule that RWD and Kekel can possibly dream up. Holy moly!!!!! I am truly amazed beyond what the readers of this blog can possibly imagine. Mike and RWD can't possibly believe a word of what RWD has been preaching for the last 30 years or more. All I can say is that we were all duped and if you can't see it you deserve what you get.
Keep sending your kids off to the NTCS and you've just been qualified as the sorriest parent alive. 4 years of boot camp, every rule that RWD and Kekel can possibly dream up, your wife can clean Kekel's house and dirty underwear, you can rent one of RWD's houses just so he can get richer while you are not allowed to have more than 2 cars parked in the driveway, if you even wind up with a transcript or diploma it's not even real, have RWD send you all over creation to pioneer churches that you will never even own, get woke up every week at 2am so Olson can feel important while you have to answer for every dime you work so hard to bring in what should be your church but it is not nor will it ever be. Admit it, you are a straight up sucker just like I used to be. Mike Kekel is going to be a billionaire and all he is going to say all the way to the bank is "God sure has blessed me". You've already paid close to $200,000 count TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS just to get GK from Kindergarten to 12th grade, haven't you had enough?
Holy moly. I have seen it all.
Jeff
So, will Grant be paying his own way through College?
The reason I ask this is Pastor Davis taught (for as long as I have known him) us all that the parent shouldn't worry about paying for College for their child(ren). That children should pay their own way.
So, will Grant be paying his own way through College?
Will Grant be getting a grant? If so, good for him. Student loan? Good for him. Will he be the one paying it back?
Will Grant be getting a scholarship? In what? Sports? This wasn't allowed when my daughter was growing up. A scholarship in music? Lessons (music, martial arts, etc), after school activities (band, softball, basketball, field hockey, swimming, etc.), etc. weren't an option when my daughter was growing up; in that anything that took away from attending the rigorous church schedule, or that impacted the family finances to the degree you couldn't sufficiently contribute to NTCC, or attend all mandatory activities worldwide was not part of NTCC's culture.
So, will Grant be paying his own way through College?
Gregory
I want to sit back and watch and see where this goes. Right now we don't really have (I feel quite certain) all of the facts, And there are just to many questions that need to be answered first about this.
I'm just glad that I never went to their crummy so called "Bible School". And to think that I wasted the time of agonizing over that fact!!
So, will Grant be paying his own way through College?
Gregory
(Chuckle) I think you know the answer to that one.
If NTCC isn't anything else, They are "consistently inconsistent".
One thing is practically for certain; you can bet Grant won't be attending the NTCS.
Now in response to Greg's question about Grant paying his own way. Who knows, he may through grants, money he has saved, or scholarships, pay some of his own way but you can be certain of this. Tanya is not going to sit back and watch her son go without anything without providing some or much assistance. Notice that I specified "Tanya".
She didn't even let Grant go on a field trip without her and Verna following closely behind. I know this to be a fact because Verna spoke of following Grant all over the place one evening in the Columbus serviceman's home. Verna said that Grant hadn't been gone for a day and Tanya was agonizing so that Verna and Tanya left Graham and literately followed Grant so they could watch him because Tanya missed him so much.
So do you think that Tanya would watch Grant go without anything? I have a better chance at winning the lottery than seeing that happen. Tanya will shell out as much money Grants way as she needs to in order to have peace of mind. Grant will be taken care of by Mike and Tanya and so he should be. The hypocrisy is what you stated Greg, that other kids have been required to categorically, without exception, provide for themselves. Greg, it is a double standard no matter what information we have at this point and that fact has already been confirmed. Whether GK goes to the U of St. Louis or not the whole thing is clearly a double standard.
Jeff
Well, I will say this. They certainly don't seem to be trying to hide any of this. Not that they really can, or wouldn't if they could.
I haven't understand this from the beginning. What is so wrong with saying.......
"Hey, we just plain SCREWED UP" in much of what we said! WE WERE WRONG. It seems like you can get more out of an apology than you can trying to play "The Spin Doctor" or coming up with some of the most Clintonesque answers that I have ever heard and then trying to pass things off just like nothing ever happened.
I mean...How DARE we NOT believe what is being said.
The NTCC leadership has it's members brainwashed enough so they don't even believe their own ears. It's bad when you don't even believe your own ears. I know I'm not the only one who heard all this stuff preached just to see it change.
Not only are they brainwashed but many are just down right crooked. As long as the money is flowing in the churches they don't care what standards change. Many of the ministers like Briggs and Oberhauser like to put the spin on whats taken place as well. I remember clearly when it was taught and preached that you failed God if your child didn't attend the NTCS. If GK really is going to the U of St. Louis, I bet they try to spin him also getting credits somehow through the NTCS. They will possibly somehow tie this whole U of St. Louis thing into the big church there assuming the reports are accurate which I have little doubt.
The pastor there or his associates have probably taught at the NTCS and they may give GK some private tutoring. This may be far fetched and totally inaccurate but I'm trying to cover all grounds in preparation for the inevitable spin doctor explanation forthcoming from old Mikey himself. Mike always puts a twist on everything and he's proven that over and over. Olson is good at that also. They are both Davis's crooks. Kekel and Olson are the NTCC's hit-men.
Jeff
"Tanya is not going to sit back and watch her son go without anything without providing some or much assistance. Notice that I specified "Tanya".
She didn't even let Grant go on a field trip without her and Verna following closely behind. I know this to be a fact because Verna spoke of following Grant all over the place one evening in the Columbus serviceman's home. Verna said that Grant hadn't been gone for a day and Tanya was agonizing so that Verna and Tanya left Graham and literately followed Grant so they could watch him because Tanya missed him so much."
--Jeff
HOW HUMILIATING!
GRANDMAMMY AND
MOMMY HAD TO GO ON THE FIELD TWIP WID DA LIDDLE BABY...
TIME TO SNIP THAT UMBILICAL CHORD.
(Not the vasectomy snip.)
Children really do hinder the work of the borg, don't they? But it's different when it's your kid. ha. ha.
Joke's on who?
shmekels
Sassy
How old was Grant when Tanya did go with him on his field trip?
I have been on many field trips with my children. And not because I want to codle them. I go to be part of there childhood,education. Both kids have loved to see me in there helping at there school. Done it since day one for both of them.
I also give them there breathing space. they both go on sleepovers,hang out at friends home's, ect..
April
April asked...
How old was Grant when Tanya did go with him on his field trip?
Jeff said...
Tanya didn't actually go with him. She followed him after he'd already left. Grant didn't know she was coming. Her and Verna just showed up and Grant spotted them. I have no idea how old he was. I don't think it's a bad thing to go anywhere with your children but it is bad when you place all kinds of restrictions on everyone else concerning what they do and their kids do and then you go do the exact opposite.
The NTCC has taught that all those activities were of no benefit to the program of God. That is the problem that I have. The NTCC has taught that souls are dying while you are running around following your children; your children are supposed to be following you. How is it that you have time to follow your children when souls are dying and going to hell? BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. That is what I heard for ten years and everyone knows it true if they've been around the NTCC for any length of time. Either that or they sleep in church. Well I didn't sleep and I remember what was preached and the Kekels have lived the exact opposite from what was preached.
The problem is Kekel is RWDs son in law and he has got away with what everyone else would have gone to hell for and it's only because he is family. Look up the words nepotism, preferential treatment, partiality, bias, inequity, favoritism. That is exactly what you have with RWD and Kekel and that is why I focus so much attention on them as a subject. What I'm saying is real and anyone who's mind is not garbled with the NTCCs brainwashing can see it as clearly as I can. It's outright sickening folks. The NTCC has thoroughly restricted your lives while essentially placing no restrictions on the Kekel's lives. It's true. Play football, basketball, wear shorts, leave your church to follow your kids on a field trip, stay put and don't move around and get a big house, get all the secular education you need, have fancy cars, get a basketball hoop in your back yard, go to music festivals, watch DVDs and don't let the NTCC tell you you cant because the Kekels have done it all.
Now take it one step further. Realize that all that stuff was preached against by RWD and his ministers for 30 years, hate the hypocrisy and leave the NTCC and start your very own church just like RWD did decades ago and stop following a hypocrite. Stop sending all the money that should stay in your church to Graham. Get a building in your name that you won't loose when you get sick of the NTCC's hypocrisy.
Amen? Amen!
Jeff
the Kekels have lived the exact opposite from what was preached.
The problem is Kekel is RWDs son in law and he has got away with what everyone else would have gone to hell for and it's only because he is family. Look up the words nepotism, preferential treatment, partiality, bias, inequity, favoritism. That is exactly what you have with RWD and Kekel and that is why I focus so much attention on them as a subject. What I'm saying is real and anyone who's mind is not garbled with the NTCCs brainwashing can see it as clearly as I can. It's outright sickening folks. The NTCC has thoroughly restricted your lives while essentially placing no restrictions on the Kekel's lives. It's true. Play football, basketball, wear shorts, leave your church to follow your kids on a field trip, stay put and don't move around and get a big house, get all the secular education you need, have fancy cars, get a basketball hoop in your back yard, go to music festivals, watch DVDs and don't let the NTCC tell you you cant because the Kekels have done it all.
Now take it one step further. Realize that all that stuff was preached against by RWD and his ministers for 30 years, hate the hypocrisy and leave the NTCC and start your very own church just like RWD did decades ago and stop following a hypocrite. Stop sending all the money that should stay in your church to Graham. Get a building in your name that you won't loose when you get sick of the NTCC's hypocrisy.
Amen? Amen!--Jeff
Jeff, I couldn't have said it better myself.
But I still think it was wrong of tnaya and vicki to shadow grant on a field trip. They are domineering dowagers and their sickening form of s-mother-ing is the kind of dominant behaviour that leads to serial killers being formed. Check out the book Deviant- the Ed Geins story. Or watch the movie Psycho that tells Ed's story. Dominant mother figures lead to abnormal psycopathic behaviou8rs in their children. These gals are sick in their s-mother-ing the boy. I already shared once before how vicki pouted and fretted because grant-p would be living off the compound in Graham only five minutes down the road. But that was too far for greedy gran'mah davis!!! sick.
Let's see how mommy and granny follow widdle gwant to St. Louis and follow his every move and date and sporting event and blah, blah, blah.
There is a healthy form of support like what April is talking about.
vicki and tanny far exceed the norm in following the boy on field trips!
gk might not be socially disadvantaged, but he is probably psychologically disadvantaged by such sickening smothering!
Sassy
That's what I've heard about grant going to st. louis and probably will be put to work in the church there in holly hills so that he can say that he is working for his studies, as for me probably he already paid for his first year in advance. Hey, a business degree is pretty good for somebody that wants to make money.
I was just thinking about all this college stuff and it came to mind when in the factnet page there was a lady called bonita that came into the forum to speak "for" ntcc and she was making a point that her son had graduated with honors from high school and that he could have had a scholarship from some college in indy but that he refused because he wanted God more than some secular title. That comment probably is still there and maybe somebody can look it up. I wonder what she thinks now that gk is going to a secular college instead of bible school.
blovd
Well, who is surprised? We all knew that the elites would never deign to send their royal offspring to the institution they operate and promote to the serf class. They know more than anyone what a pathetic scam it is, and their actions speak far louder than their doublespeak. Now those that sacrificed their own children's aspirations and potential will have to face the fact that they have been badly used. At least hopefully they will face that painful truth, but no doubt many will keep their heads in the sand.
I personally heard RW Davis, the self proclaimed apostle who maintains he has seen angels and heard the audible voice of God, and that he has never missed God and does everything by the Holy Ghost, emphatically state that if one's sons and daughters didn't go to "bible school," it represented abject parental failure. It is astonishing to observe the blatant hypocrisy prevalent among these wolves in sheep's clothing. And they'll have the nerve to brand anyone who raises the subject as "jealous" or "bitter," or try to spin it into an attack on some hapless kid. Well, this isn't about Grant at all; it's about the corrupt and decadent NTCC leadership who place heavy burdens on others which are grievous to be borne, but won't lift a finger to help. And it's not bitterness or jealousy; it's the same spirit Jesus had when he denounced the Pharisees.
Anonymous said...
I was just thinking about all this college stuff and it came to mind when in the factnet page there was a lady called bonita that came into the forum to speak "for" ntcc and she was making a point that her son had graduated with honors from high school and that he could have had a scholarship from some college in indy but that he refused because he wanted God more than some secular title.
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Where did she learn that?
LTravis
That's one of those things that make you go Hmm.............
Grant Kekel is 18 years old.
Yup, it's official. In some states Grant is legally an adult.
Now he has the choice (as we all do) to
1-Serve God.
2-Not serve God.
And in that second category is a sub-set of Pretending to serve God--Hypocrisy.
His whole life Grant has witnessed so much hypocrisy in the lives of those around him.
It will be interesting to see what he does.
If he vows unfailing service to the Lord, the more he studies the Word, the more painfully aware he will be of the hypocrisy within his family (both blood and church).
Like I said, it will be interesting to see what happens.
My prayer is that God will send him people just like his dad and grandad and their followers.
I hope he gets the exact same treatment that mike kekel and davis and his followes have doled out to the people God sent them.
Hmmn.
Makes you think.
Ange
Still waiting on Mike Kekel to address his son's post high school choice on his blog site. He's posted a link to the list of recent seminary suckers, I mean graduates. If that is something to be applauded, then why isn't his son attending?
Mike has been quick to dispel other subjects on this and other blogs. Why is he so silent now?
If you're in NTCC, do not let him go "gently into that good night" concerning GK's plans. Get dogmatic, get indignant. He and Davis would do the same to you.
Just Saying
So, will Grant be paying his own way through College? The reason I ask this is Pastor Davis taught (for as long as I have known him) us all that the parent shouldn't worry about paying for College for their child(ren). That children should pay their own way. So, will Grant be paying his own way through College? Will Grant be getting a grant? If so, good for him. Student loan? Good for him. Will he be the one paying it back? Will Grant be getting a scholarship? In what? Sports? This wasn't allowed when my daughter was growing up. A scholarship in music? Lessons (music, martial arts, etc), after school activities (band, softball, basketball, field hockey, swimming, etc.), etc. weren't an option when my daughter was growing up; in that anything that took away from attending the rigorous church schedule, or that impacted the family finances to the degree you couldn't sufficiently contribute to NTCC, or attend all mandatory activities worldwide was not part of NTCC's culture. So, will Grant be paying his own way through College? Gregory
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