That is exactly what I plan to do with these old threads; start them all over again. There is hardly anything new that hasn't been discussed anyway. So I plan to take the oldest threats and systematically move them back to the top. As you see I've already started with the 1st thread. If anyone has any ideas concerning new threads I'm all ears, but for now, (unless something else of interest comes up) I will be recycling the old threads. Jeff
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Here is a thread idea. Things that happen in everday life can bring a flashback to occur. I just dealt with normal coughing,high temps in my household.
I started to remember how Rw davis was determined not to shake anyone's hand that might even have a sniffle,cough,ect. He repeated it MANY times. If your sick,don't shake his hand.
Yes,that is a common curtesy not to give someone your cold. But he was very adiment about not getting anyones germs. As if,possibly afraid to get sick? If he was sick that would show his weakness. And it had been said that getting sick can be the devil attacking you.
Man had MS in ntcc,it was the devil attacking him. Get sick before a conference,oh that is just the devil attacking you.
So what is others theories or might even have more insight into this phobia of his.
April
I looked at the topic a little differently. I couldn't tell you how many times I had to listen to an NTCC pastor preach negatively toward folks who had become sick or ill. NTCC pastors would make comments like, "you don't have enough faith in God to stay healthy"? "You don't believe God enough to heal you"?
I got sick, (no pun intended) of hearing that garbage. So many of these NTCC pastors are no more than a bunch of phonies. How quickly they forgot how often RWD would express his worries about getting sick himself. Frankly I wasn't a big fan of all that hand shaking either. An individual can Google the subject and find out that one of the easiest ways to spread germs and pick up sicknesses and illnesses is through hand shaking. Since I left the NTCC I may have gotten sick once or twice and those occasions were minor and didn't last. I kept some kind of illness while I was with the NTCC. I don't think I've been sick once at any time throughout the entire last year.
It got to where I didn't want to shake anyone's hand and I certainly didn't want my little boy shaking hands either. I'm hardly a fan of RWD as can be clearly seen by anyone reading this blog. Having said that I totally share his sentiments concerning the dangers of spreading germs through hand shaking. His super spiritual pastors might do good to put a stop to all that hand shaking especially during flu season.
To all the NTCC pastors who like to blast their sick church members because they have become ill, "you can kiss my white behind"!!! I've been way healthier since I left your germ infested buildings thank you. Maybe that was Gods way of trying to get me to leave in the first place? I stayed sick while I was in the church in Atlanta. In Columbus I told Oberhauser more than once that folks in the church needed to leave my little boys hands alone. I'm glad I'm not having to deal with that garbage anymore.
I couldn't tell you how many time I told folks to leave my little boys hands alone!!!!! What do kids do? They put their hands in their mouths far too often. From your hand to their hand to their mouth and the next thing you know they are sick as a dog and the poor parent is the one staying up all night with their sick child. To all you overly friendly, unwise NTCC ministers; stop trying to be JOE the super greeter and leave the little kids hands alone.
Jeff
P.S. I like your post and the topic April. Good info.
Sincerely,
Jeff
I was always getting sick due to hand shaking in the ntcc; especially at Ft.Bragg where the Taylors were packing around 70 people into the small chapel.
Then there were the days of no heat in the campground rooms. And no hot water for showers. Plus the huge influx of folks for camp. Great combo to get sick.
Now I don't get sick. I've had the flu, thank God, only twice in the last ten years. Don't remember any other illnesses.
God is good.
Ange
RW's handshaking phobia goes deeper than what is normal. We are human beings, and we can't walk around in a bubble. A healthy immune system will deal with what needs to be dealt with. It has been proven that extreme germ avoidance causes the immune system to atrophy (or overreact, causing allergies). I'd rather get a few colds here and there than end up with compromised immunity. And RW was fanatical about it, like Howard Hughes. I wouldn't be surprised if he's holed up in his mansion with Kleenex boxes on his feet and Nebuchadnezzar-style fingernails, surrounded by empty bottles of hand sanitizer, swilling Nyquil by the case and muttering about imagined enemies. Anyone seen him lately?
RWD's handshaking phobia may very well go deeper than normal but I can tell you that I've been healthier since I left the NTCC and specifically since I left the church in Atlanta. I often thought there was something wrong with that building's ventilation system.
I'm around people all the time (more so than I've ever been due to my job) but one thing I'm not doing is shaking the hands of 20 to 60 people, (more or less) depending on what day it is. I'm not a big fan of hand shaking anyway. Brothers would go to the bathroom, pick their nose, and dig in their butts and the next thing you know they would extend their hands proudly for a good old hand shake.
Who knows, I may have somewhat of a phobia as well but I know there are a lot of people like me who aren't really into hand shaking. I hardly ever even use hand sanitizer, and I don't use it in my house. I don't carry it and therefor I wouldn't use it unless it happened to be available during a time when I felt there was a reason for using it. I have used it after shaking someones clammy hand most specifically while I was in the NTCC in a church building.
When I was a Platoon Sergeant and an Instructor around lot of sick Soldiers, I remember going for about 3 - 4 straight years without getting sick. During that time I took note of that fact because there were a lot of sick soldiers around me and I was staying healthy. This was from 95 to 99. Next thing you know I retire from the military start going to the church in Atlanta and I was coming down with some kind of illness constantly. That was definitely more than just coincidence and that is when I started analyzing why it was that I was suddenly getting sick so often. Mayers wanted to make it a spiritual matter like folks who were sick had a lack of faith and he would preach it and I got sick of it. Figuratively and literately. Now I've left the NTCC and I'm regularly healthy again. Go figure? I attributed much of the problem to handshaking and or the actual building in Atlanta and their old germ infested vacuum cleaner that Mayers wanted me to use all the time.
Jeff
Less sickness post-NTCC could also be attributed to less stress and a more healthful lifestyle. Germs are all around us, but when we are in optimum health, we're not susceptible to infection. I hardly ever get sick either, and practice absolutely zero germ avoidance (and I even work in a hospital). NTCC itself is a source of ill health; getting away from it can only help.
I'm not saying that no one else in the world has illnesses, but I've often thought that NTCC wives are the most ailing group of women I've ever seen. These women suffer from serious illnesses on a regular basis. Illnesses that require medication and surgery. They constantly complain about some pain, injury, or illness on their blogs. When we were still in NTCC, fellowship was always a time to share about a new pain or illness. There was one sister (Cantrell) who would call off the list of major illnesses that plagued her like it was a banner to be worn.
My point is that these women don't work and supposedly live the "good life". Then why do you suppose they are sick all of the time?
I know, it's the devil fighting them. Fooy.
The most reasonable interpretation is that exposure to NTCC makes one sick.
My point is that these women don't work and supposedly live the "good life". Then why do you suppose they are sick all of the time?
A side note I take particular offense to. The don't work? I am still currently a SAHM. I have been on the go constantly. Actually more then when I was in ntcc. Because I get my kids out and enjoy there childhood. Don't work? Having a job with a paycheck does not mean your the only one working!
That being said,I am all for working at a job that provides a pay check. Something I hope to do soon myself. Part-time,so I am still there for my kids(school stuff,ect)
Women in ntcc and there sickness. I would take a stab at there lifestyle,eating habits,quality of life has ALOT to do with it. Since ntcc does not support Bodily exercise. For many years,gyms were off limits. And time contraints did not give folks that much time to try and get a home workout in. Many ladies walk. For me I felt ackward out walking the track in a skirt. Or riding a bicycle in a skirt. I was one of the women that helped get the point across to Mike K. that Curves was for women. You could have Christian music played,and you change there. Then alot more women started frequenting CurveS! Then Many of them started using Sparkspeople.com.
From pictures thought,it appears many are still obese! Obesity is going to casuse ALOT of health ailments. Many don't have health insurance. So a small problem,can become a even bigger problem.
Eating habits. Processed foods that they buy with there double off coupons. Save money,but buying junk food that they feed there families with. Lots of them are big time soda drinkers,coffee drinkers(sugar). What they do for recreation,have folks over to there home to eat late at night!! Sugary baked goods and ice tea and coffee are generally served. Go to Tanya's house,get day old baked goods and canned soda after cleaning her house for her!
quality of life. What to do they do. Get up,curl there hair,go to a prayer meeting. Come home,type notes. Eat. Go to Church. Come home late,eat. Go to bed. Occassionaly have folks over to "fellowship" which is more eating and drinking coffee or tea.
Hiking,biking,canoeing,swimming. Off limits!Unless done in a skirt!
Life after ntcc. I go and buy fresh produce,veggies. Lean cuts of meats. Soy milk that I like. healthier snack choices for the family. and if I don't want to,no coupons for processed foods! But life outside of ntcc is worse then in ntcc! SURE!
April
April said...
Hiking,biking,canoeing,swimming. Off limits!Unless done in a skirt!
Jeff said...
I guess you didn't know that some wives of NTCC pastors wear pants while exercising? That is absolutely, categorically accurate. I had two NTCC pastors who's wives wore sweat pants to exercise in. One of the wives told my wife that it was ok for a woman to wear sweat pants for exercise. The other I saw in sweat pants. Just another NTCC double standard.
April you must have missed the part in the Bible where it says that "a woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man unless she is exercising". Ha, ha. What a joke. These NTCC crooks change the rules every time it benefits them. I can't stand them. They better hope there is not a hell because from what I can tell from the Gospels, it will be a little bit hotter for a religious, double standard, hypocrite. The NTCC is one seriously sorry, sad, and sick organization. It does more damage than good and I've seen it first hand, over and over and over. I've read all the sad, sickening stories of abuse and the disturbing testimonies that coincide exactly with what I witnessed while I was with the NTCC. You all better wake up NTCCers because you are following some serious hypocrites. Christ warned that you should beware of false prophets and your organization is full of them. You all know that Kekel has changed all the rules but yet you still stick around. You are going to find yourself just as responsible as he is. You can't claim ignorance and that is for certain.
Jeff
This is more in jest. I was reading in a magazine today to get out and get some Vitamin D. to expose as much skin as the neighbors allow when you go for a nice brisk walk. Vitamin D is also to help prevent or get rid of Depression funks! Which many ntcc ladies have depression. But have to pretend that all is good. Nothing is wrong with them.
Ladies that I used to walk with. Had just about All Skin covered. Not letting there skin get any vitamin D!LoL. Another reason there sick and unhappy!
April
I wonder if Tracy has taken her blog down again? Her blog has disappeared into thin air seemingly for the second time. I'm glad that my key strokes aren't just eternally wasted on this blog. Jeff don't take this blog down. It would be a slap in the face to all who have taken their time to post here.
Anon
Tracy is going through health problems with her Mom. She has gone off line for know. As she takes time for other things that are much more important.
Knowing Tracy,she will be back. When she feels it is the right time to take back the cause of Exposing ntcc!
April
The first blog she took down never came back. It's not about her coming back but all the information on her blog being gone for good. Many people spent a lot of time posting comments on her first blog which are gone now. That is why I said I hope that Jeff doesn't take down this blog. It's not about Jeff or Tracy coming back but about the time that we've dedicated to exposing the NTCC. We don't expect our efforts to be in vain.
Anon
go make your own blog then ANON!
P.S. Please don't call me Mike, we are not on a first name basis, thanks. I apologize April for spelling your name wrong, and for posting anything that you did not say. Please let me know, and I will remove everything that you did not say. Your name has been corrected. (MCK)
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I was on Mike's blog. Clicked on my file. That I am a facebook agent,so hilarious!
But look at how he wants me to call him Mr. so and so. But he turns around and apologizes to WHOM??? APRIL! So it is Ok for him to use my First name. But I am not to use his first name. A man that is a minister in a UNacredited organization. I will not call him a Rev. because he is not reconized ANYWHERE else but within ntcc. We are not on first name basis. But he will use my first name like it is no big deal. INTERESTING!
April
if you type in the google search engine
tracy blog ntcc
you'll see the url in the descriptions of not new tesament christian church.
instead of clicking on the link click on the word "cached". and it should bring the page up so you can then save it to your computer.
As far as saving the info from jeffs blog, download the program win-httrack. it is a website ripper and it can copy all the links and posts on jeffs blog and save it to your computer.
by the way, hi mike. how are you ? see ya.
As I look at Mike's blog. And think how sad it is for him to put me up there. And say the things he says. So much is untrue. And the stuff I e-mailed to him personally. Is right on the mark about ntcc.
if any good can come from him trying to hang me out to dry. It would be for people that leave ntcc because of his actions.
A church I have attended since ntcc. Had some problems within the church. Some folks left. And stuff was said. that church has a web site,and the minister has a FB page. Does he go on and try and smear other folks name. Under the disguise of,I am warning the sheep. When Mike is just guessing that those Anon blogs messages are from me. So he is attacking my character and has no proof for sure that they are even from me. The e-mails,yes 100% positve those are from me to Mike.
I have printed correspondence from me and Mike back when we FIRST left ntcc. When i thought I would still attend as a church member. I thought that would be SAFE. I would have some control over my life. Six months goes by and slowly I realize what ntcc is really ALL about! My printed information. Is from me IM him on yahoo. So it is for a fact it was from him what was being said. Instead of him,trying to pin messages that an ANON poster leaves on me. So he can smear my name,along with some personal e-mails I wrote to him. He wrote back,but do I have those. No,deleted. Why doesn't mike delete folks e-mails????
April
NTCC guys like Mike are smear doctors. They've learned to keep information on people like your email to use against folks.
You see it's common for people who have left the NTCC to become more disgruntled with the organization over time and here is the reason. When we first leave the NTCC we try to be courteous,considerate and understanding and at that time, that is routinely the message contained in any written or verbal correspondence we have with any NTCC leaders.
Well time goes on and as the NTCC looses it's grip over our lives we start to realize how thoroughly messed up the NTCC really is. We find information about other stories of abuse, misuse and downright nasty conduct committed by NTCC pastors and senior leaders. So what happens is that gradually and with others like myself rapidly, (due to the fact that we now have unlimited access to information about the NTCC leaders dastardly deeds) we become far more disgruntled than we were when we first left the organization and that transformation is reflected in our correspondence. Then spin doctors like old Mikey use do their best to use such info against exNTCC members in an attempt to show us as being double-minded. I've watched him do it time and time again.
My question is if the mail man, who came to your house year after year was suddenly found to have broken into your house one day, don't you think that your feelings would change about that dude? Of course your feelings would change and so it is with the way we feel about the NTCC as we learn more about their crooked deeds. Folks let me tell you, Kekel, Olson and RWD are absolute menaces to society. They do and have done far, far, far more damage than good. Just read this blog. Do you really believe that we are all lying? Every one of us? Please.
Mike Kekel is a snake who is only interested in trying to preserve his crooked organization's sorry reputation and he doesn't care who's name he smears in the process. Olson, RWD and Kekel are no more than three crooks and I've been saying that for a few years now. If you leave the NTCC and say nothing about their sorry organization the NTCC leaders think that is great but if you speak or write negatively about their sorry organization, guys like Mikey will dig up every bit of dirt he possibly can on you and spread that information in every way possible. The pulpit, word of mouth, the internet and written documents that they disseminate through the churches and broadcast. I remember such a document which was read openly by my NTCC pastor containing all the names of the ministers who left during the split. My pastor said they had all been deceived by the devil, every one and they were all going to go to hell if they didn't repent. Well the funny part is that Denis had said the same thing about the NTCC leadership to include all it's pastors. I guess that Denis had learned well from the same crooks that he served with.
Jeff
I was reading on the FB page "White shirts and wingtips" that the St. Clairs are being moved from Mississippi back to Tillicum. That struck me as interesting because the pastor listed on the NTCC website for Tillicum is Randy Oberhauser. Looks to me like Oberhauser has struck again. He came to Columbus, GA and was left a congregation of about 65-70. After about two years, he had run off all but about 5. The previous guy, Hunt, was called back from where he said "God had called him" to salvage the situation. I guess God has called the St. Clairs to salvage yet another of Oberhausers mess-ups. RWD, MCK, and Olsen just don't care who they place over people's lives just as long as they are blindly loyal.
Jeff's Wife
Jeff's Wife
"I was reading on the FB page"White shirts and wingtips" that the St. Clairs are being moved from Mississippi back to Tillicum."--Jeff's Wife
Good to see Jeff's Wife weighing in again. ;-)
Ntcc has a revolving door for all their preachers.
They have so many reasons too for such a policy.
Moving ministers allows ntcc to zero the esrow account and 'poof' ( the magic kind, not the hair kind ) there goes all that money to who knows where; never to be accounted for again...
Then there's the old let's hide the child-abusing ntcc-minister's license carrying 'mininster'... What? Three ministers in good standing have mailed in duplicate copies of signed reports that Johnny Slap around the kids is slapping around the kids?No worries. We'll just move ol' Johnny. If anybody tries to get too vocal about it; we'll run 'im off at conference and say he was too proud to serve God. But we have to keep good ol' Johnny Slap around the kids coz he produces number$$$$$.
Then there's the ol', Well, the Board thinks Brother Loved By All would make a fine replacement candidate for ntcc's president. I know Brother Loved By All wants to to a great work for Gawd in the city. Let's send him to the armpit of the world mission instead and leave him and his family to rot overseas with no support from the ntcc. Heh heh. I love my job...
Oh, yes, there are more reasons for revolving door ministries in the ntcc; but none of the reasons are good--just like all things ntcc--no good.
Ange
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