The trailer I'm referring to is the serviceman's home in Augusta that has been there about 35 years, (an educated estimate). I used to live in that trailer back in 1986 when I attended BNCOC at Fort Gordon. The pastor in Augusta (lower case p) at the time was Medrano. A trailer like that back in those days probably cost maybe $20,000 - $30,000 if that??? Certainly not much more especially knowing Davis who naturally wouldn't pay top dollar for anything. Can't blame him for that. I actually wrote up a design for the steeple on the church building while I was in BNCOC. That wouldn't have cost much either as it was very small sanctuary which no doubt got funded by donations from GI's and an over inflated rent charged by Davis. Well back to the trailer specifically.
Don wrote this statement: That Trailer was there in 83 when I started attending church. I know it wasn't new either because there were pictures in an album from the previous pastor. The pastor at that time was Cyrius and before that I believe it was Taylor. I'm not sure exactly what year it was purchased in but I know it's probably around 80 or 81, just a guess.
M. Reed wrote this statement: Also when we were at Ft. Gordon, GA, the dumpy old trailer home which had been there forever was supposedly behind in payments when we arrived. I asked, when is this going to be paid off? Oh, it's coming. When? We got it current and kept paying until we left, and we never got an answer.
Chief wrote...
So here is the moral of the story. Lets assume that trailer has been there since 1980 which by all accounts is quite plausible and likely with Don being there in 83 and pictures of the trailer showing it there previously. The point being, we all remember the trailer and the minimum amount of time it's existed as property of the NTCC.
So assuming the pastor sent approximately $800 a month, times 35 years, times 12 months per year you come up with $336,000 paid for a $22,000 trailer (approx) with a little small sanctuary which no doubt was paid for when it was built. And this is why we, (Don and I) decided to title this thread "The Million Dollar Trailer". Of course based on my rough estimates, $1,000,000 hasn't been shelled out for the trailer but $300,000 is an absolutely ridiculous amount of money to be sent to Graham for such an inexpensive dwelling. This is just another example of how the NTCC leadership has SOAKED it's ministers over the years. M. Reed was sending money to Graham for that trailer years and years after I lived there which is proof that the NTCC leadership will keep requiring payments on a building long after it's been payed for many times over and over and over again. When are you NTCC people going to wake up?
Don't let the NTCC leadership confuse the issue here with the monthly payment amount because even at $700 a month, the servicemen and pastors would have shelled out $294,000 which is a down right rip off for a crummy little trailer with a match box sanctuary. $30,000 at $700 a month would have been payed off in just over three years, 42 months to be exact. This means that the NTCC leadership has been incorporating the practice of EXCESSIVE usury, which we can find to be a forbidden practice in the Old Testament.
Exo 22:25 If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.
Lev 25:36 Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee. Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.
Deu 23:19 Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:
Chief 25:36 Thou shalt not rent him thy serviceman's homes and church building for increase.
Well the NTCC leadership specializes in exacting usury upon it's brethren and if you can't see that you are blind as a bat. Oh again I forgot. Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy doesn't apply to the NTCC unless of course it's for the purpose of enslaving women. Silly me.
The NTCC leadership which includes Olson, Kekel, Dead Davis, Defrancesco, Johnson and previously Ashmore are crooked money lenders who's main goal is to make an increase and exact usury upon their brethren. This is wicked conniving crookedness.
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Haha, I remember when Salvador pastored there back around 1980. Tillicum was the flagship servicemen's home, and Augusta could have been the second. It might hit a million too, the way they keep rotating suckers in to do their part getting ripped off, but maybe the jig is up on their inflated mortgage scam and they'll have to settle for a mere $336K. Oh well, there's always that sweet escrow to fall back on; no telling what's in that. It's getting harder for them to run their rackets with all the info out on that pesky sinnernet.
No doubt Vic. The sinnernet is a thorn in their side. Based on our calculations, that trailer should have been paid for in full by the Augusta church folks no later than 1984 which is 31 years ago. Get some of that profit, compliments a bunch of young poor GI's.
I just don't understand how much longer these NTCC folks can live in blindness. Probably forever.
Chief
And here is the other sick sadistic part. I quoted Old Testament scriptures to condemn this practice of usury, (making interest or increase) which has clearly been used over the years by the NTCC leadership. Well they'll say, "We aren't living under the law and that doesn't apply because that's in the Old Testament.
Well guess what? If that's the case then tithing doesn't apply either you bunch of con artists because that was also found in the Old Testament. You can't have it both ways you bunch of conniving crooked cheaters and hucksters.
I wonder how much the ntcc brought in with home offerings and tithes for all the brain washed suckers that have lived in that trailer including myself. When I lived there in the 80's it was packed out with about 8 people. When I lived there in the 90's there were anywhere between 5 and 8 people living in the home in addition to the Pastor. So let's say that we take an average of 6 brain washed suckers and then you average their home offerings at $200 per month. I paid $150 when I was in but that was in the 80's and early 90's, not sure what it costs to live in the Servicemen's home now. Let's say the average tithe was $150 per month which is a very conservative estimate. $350 per person times 6 people = $2100 per month X 12 months = $25,200 per year X 35 years = $882,000 in 35 years. It's getting closer and closer to a million dollar trailer.
We were really building up the kingdom back in those days, were we not? Davis was swimming in Cash and Kekel still is. That trailer and the small sanctuary were paid for many times over and every time there was a need in that home or church they would take up an offering. The Escrow on that building was probably quite a bit also. Would like to know how much sits in escrow in Augusta if it hasn't been zeroed out and spent on Mansions and such.
If you add the Escrow to the estimated $882,000 charged to GI's to live there you probably have your million dollar trailer.
Oh yeah Bro. You and I were more close than we thought when we came up with that title. The million dollar trailer. Imagine that.
Any of you ntcc pastors who are a little strapped for cash this month should withhold your payment to the ntcc and go ahead and buy some groceries and maybe a second suit so you have one to wear while the other one is at the cleaners.
We're pretty sure kekel will be much more forgiving, now that indoctrinated ministers are on such short supply. The more of them that leave, the more "forgiveness" you who remain will receive...
ANON: Dave
How can Kekel be removed? What can the board do?
A CEO can't be that insulated. If he continues to lose people and senior members of prior boards, churchs (San Diego), I mean come on. There has to be some power from the Chairman to hold a no confidence vote.
What the heck man?
I'm wondering if there is a promotion angle being dangled out there to those who remain faithful?
Those who've stayed for 20 years or more get a seat at the table??? This is a sinking ship, why stay?
Burn it all down Chief!!!
Anon said...
Burn it down Chief.
Chief said...
Not so easy my friend. About 500 people have been trying to accomplish that for the last 9 years with little success. The NTCCs leadership has been Teflon for the most part. Trust me. Kekel and company have been almost untouchable. Ashmore's departure leaves a glimmer of hope at best. Kekel ain't going anywhere.
Chief
To many brainwashed people in the NTCC. Kekel could slap their Mama right in front of them and they would find a way to explain it away. My friend, you have no idea how brainwashed these people are. We've written about rape, incest, adultery, thievery, homosexual conduct of ministers, physical and extensive verbal abuse, breaking and entering, etc etc etc. A minister visiting a whore house and getting caught and still becoming an overseer when Davis knew about it, ministers insulting children etc etc etc. Escrow accounts being zeroed out, land being purchased by the Org and given to Kekel as a gift and then Olson writing a letter which was clearly meant to mislead everyone about the transaction and you know what happened??? Kekel got richer and got yet a bigger house and the church said, "God bless you brother Kekel".
The Kekels are like Teflon. Everything roles right off them.
Yeah Chief, if the Mormons and JWs are still here a hundred years later, NTCC probably doesn't have anything to worry about. We were total suckers for years, and there are more born every minute. They're not geniuses. The only thing it takes to succeed at being an exploiter is the absence of all conscience.
Chief said...
To many brainwashed people in the NTCC. Kekel could slap their Mama right in front of them and they would find a way to explain it away.
DNA said...
That's the truth. Davis always tried to emphasize certain scriptures that would influence peole to slap their parents in the face, not in the literal sense, but people would end up rejecting their parents by neglecting and disrespecting them. If there was anything in your life that Davis perceived as a threat to his cash flow, Davis would find a way to convince you to remove it from your life and he would do it in a way that made you think that it was your idea and that you made the decision yourself.
"You need to cut the umbilical cord, and stop sending money home to your parents". Anyone ever heard that? It's not that Davis cared about you being attached to your parents by an umbilical cord, but any money that you gave to your parents was money that you could have given to him. Davis always frowned up people spending money on anything other than the ntcc. If you bought a house, he would ridicule you for loving a house more than God. If you joined a gym he would say, "Bodily exercise profiteth little". If you asked him for money from the escrow, he would jack you up and get steaming mad, and tell you to take up an offering. Davis had his own God and it wasn't Jesus Christ or God the Father, it was money.
It's crazy when you think of the extent that people would go through to please Davis. Chief you used the analogy of people slapping their MaMa if Davis asked them to and I'm sure many will say, there is no way we would do something like that. I bet if Davis told people to go to their parents house and slap your Ma Ma, there would be at least 50 people who would do it. Look at how many people got vasectomies because Davis laid a guilt trip on them for ruining their ministries with children. He didn't even have to tell them to get snipped, he just made them feel guilty and they all went out and got this expensive procedure that would forever change their anatomy.
Sorry, Your analogy was of Kekel, not Davis. I consider Kekel to be much like Davis but a little more stupid.
I understand DnA. Davis, Kekel, Olson, Ashmore, they are all the same. The analogy is relevant either way.
And Vic,
You said it Bro. That's what I figured a couple years back which is why I mostly stopped blogging for good while. These crooked churches aren't going anywhere. A new one springs up every day. If the NTCC went away tomorrow, Kekel, Olson and Kinson would start another under a different name within a month. Then they'd make sure to aggressively recruit Jones because, "all money spends the same" whether from black or white. Jones is a puppet just like Denis was before him.
Some would say, "There you go with that Black and White thing Chief. It's not like that at all Chief".
Oh but it is. For years the NTCC has had a black guy as a traveling figure head. And the reason I know I'm right is because Jones himself told me over the dinner table when we went out to eat one afternoon, that Jones himself was in Davis' cross hairs and that he had definitely become the target of ridicule.
Anyway Denis was the great black hope right up to the time of the split and then low and behold, Jones who had previously been the target in the cross hairs conveniently became the next Black traveling revival preaching overseer. It's wasn't because Jones was considered some great prophet but because they needed a black guy to replace double crossing Denis and Jones was the next logical choice.
And the other reason I know this to be true is because it's been reported over and over and over that the NTCC leadership has a history of referring to black men a the "N" word and that's a fact people. Conniving Davis would blow it off by saying that he and his people used that word to toughen up the black guys because the bible said,
PSA 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
And Davis and his sorry sad preachers would use that scripture to justify verbal abuse and the practice of calling black people the "N" word.
So if you are a black guy in the NTCC, your only hope for advancement is to move up to be their quote "house servant". My wife is black and she agrees with my sentiments totally and so do many other black people who've been in the NTCC. How come there is not a black guy on the board? How come one isn't living in Graham with a house built for him by the NTCC? If there was one today or there ever has been one, why so few? It's not like there hasn't been plenty of black people in the NTCC.
Why did Barnes leave? Because he wasn't going to be their "house servant" down in Mississippi paying over inflated rent on a church building forever. Barnes was smart enough to know that as a black guy, he was never going to get a piece of the pie so he flew the coop. For the record, Barnes is an abusive jerk also. I've been to his church enough times to know without doubt. Barnes is an abusive blow hard jerk who talked about money just about every time, (if not every time) I went to his church in Mississippi.
You want to talk about brainwashed? You have to deliberately ignore the obvious if you are a black guy in the NTCC because there is no way, a black person should want to give their money to a family who has a long history of slinging out the "N" word like pop corn at a carnival. And then blowing it off with a scripture from Psalms while flipping the script and making the black person feel guilty for quote, "getting offended".
Now that my friends is brainwashing at it's best. Call a black person the "N" word and flip it around and make them feel guilty because you did it. Wow, wow, wow, wow. That's some serious brainwashing. Holy Moley.
Chief
And Rev Snyder??? He was one of the most racially charged pricks I ever met in the NTCC. One day at very large revival service in Savannah that Davis was preaching at, around 2004 I think, Rev Snyder was in the sanctuary telling tasteless black jokes one right after another and I specifically remember that one of the trash jokes he was telling specifically made reference to Black people's lips.
Psalms hey? Nothing shall offend them hey? That's a bunch of manipulative garbage. Even then I thought his jokes were tasteless and racist. This didn't happen, but if some black guy would have gotten upset, one of the house servants like Jones or Hunt would have acted all holy and quoted Psalms 119:165 to the guy. If I would have spoke up, me and my family would have gotten kicked out of service after having Psalms 119 slung in our direction. I strongly regret not giving that old racist prick a piece of my mind but I was just as brainwashed as everyone else at that time but I can tell you this, I didn't like his jokes one bit. They made me very uncomfortable and I never forgot that mess and Snyder had no problem spewing out that garbage because he knew Davis advocated it.
I can't stand the NTCC. Let one of those racially charged pricks try the mess around my son and see how that works for them. In fact do me a favor you NTCC pricks who no doubt still advocate that trash. If I run into you in Columbus, tell one of those tasteless jokes in my presents so I can sue your sorry church for every dime I can get. In fact I aught to call the ACLU on you right now you bunch of pricks and see how that works for ya.
Oh but I guess I'm making all this up. Look at all the black people in the NTCC Chief, certainly your are wrong about this Chief.
I know what I heard with my own two big ears people and Vic will tell you that they used to throw the "N" word around darts at a dart board. This stuff came from MINISTERS. Oh they don't do that ANYMORE??? What, did they finally get saved? What a joke. The NTCC leadership is about as holy as my crusty big toe.
Oh silly me. They slung around the "N" word because they were prepping the "Brothers" for the inevitable racism they would encounter when they were sent out in the field. Sure. And my name is Sammy Sausage Head. And I'm Willy Nilly.
No, that wasn't it at all. They were making sure the "Brothers" Black guys knew their place in the NTCC. It was subliminal. Covert.
Snyder... Was he in South Carolina in the 90's
Mdr Here...
Chief said, "To many brainwashed people in the NTCC. Kekel could slap their Mama right in front of them and they would find a way to explain it away."
I remember when Schmekel "slapped" his own mama in a church service! He had just visited home, imagine that, and got up in a Sunday Morn. service and began shredding her about the broken, ugly toilet seat in her house.! You would think that if he had the Love of God, which he does not, he would have made his way down to Wal*Mart and purchased her a new toilet seat for his ugly ass to sit on!!!
Lets be clear about SCHMEKEL...The only thing that he has ever done in the "Ministry" is KISS THE BRIDE!!!!!
mdr
"Kiss the Bride"
I like that. Talk about entitlement and being married to the right person.
Mdr said...
Vic said..."Haha, I remember when Salvador pastored there back around 1980."
Hey Vic, hope all is well with you and your family! When I assumed the work in Augusta GA. I was told that Salvador had bought the Trailer home without permission from Davis and put it on the property there in Augusta. Well, when Salvador left the Borg. He "dumped" that trailer on them. Of course, I couldn't verify that, but had to roll with what I had been told. The payments to the org. on that dump was 6mths behind when we got there and guess who had to make them up? Yours truely!
That place was a money pit to say the least! My wife and I put a lot of our own money into that place just to keep it operational. Not to mention the money that the brethren were called on to give for new carpet and plumbing. Don, I'm sure you remember all the offerings taken up from you and the guys just to keep that "dump" in living condition. Davis would always make us pastors call on the brethren for offerings to cover repairs.
NTCC never steps in to take care of their biuldings
In the words of "crooked" finger Kinson, NTCC doesn't give out offerings, we take-em up!!!
mdr
All's well on the northern front, bro. Who knows what the real truth is; once Salvador left it was open season to slander and revile him. Whatever really happened, it's obvious that far more was collected on that place than it'll ever be worth. The shenanigans they pull constitute quite the racket.
Oops--that last post was me.
MDR, Actually I was oblivious to all the giving. It was the same everywhere in the ntcc. I got used to the fact that as long as I was a member of the ntcc, I would not have much. The whole financial experience in the ntcc was a big blur. I made somewhere in the neighborhood of $300,000.00 in 13 years of military service and when I got out, I had nothing to show for it. All of my peers had houses, nice cars and were working towards retirement. I believe that the majority of that money went directly or indirectly into the ntcc.
Even the money you didn't give to them, you gave to them. What ever it costed you to survive, was just a necessary expense so that you could be used in the ntcc to further the work of the Bonco. Your car, it's payment, your insurance and maintenance costs all were necessary to pick up souls and get them to the spiritual oasis so they could be forever defiled with cult doctrine.
I remember someone asking RWD about the stock market. He had said, Every time there is an increase you have to pay tithe on it. So someone asked, What if you buy MSFT at $80 and it goes up to $100 and then down to $70, and it does that 20 times in the same day, as stocks can do.
RWD said, Every time there is an increase, you pay tithe on it, even if it ends up a loss at the end.
I thought to myself, RWD has alot of property. He doesn't pay tithe every time the county auditor shows an increase on his home of 30 or 50k. You wait until you sell it, which may be 10-20 years later, THEN you pay tithe on the increase.
As so many of us do, We just listen to him, and sadly & quietly, we ignore what he said & go about our business.
You know, those are called unrealized or paper gains for a reason...
Go figure. We did an extensive study on tithing a while back with the late Robert Briggs. Several of us were involved. When all was said and done, no one to include Briggs who was in the NTCC could justify paying tithe from a New Testament biblical stand point. There is simply nothing in the New Testament that justifies mandatory compulsory tithing.
In not one single Epistle is or in Acts is there an example of tithe being paid or required. Not one. Paul made no mention of it and neither did Peter, James or John but they sure mentioned a lot of other stuff. In fact the only place in the New Testament that you can even find the word, Tithes or tithe mentioned is in three Gospels where Jesus was addressing Jews and more specifically the practice of tithing by the Scribes and Pharisees and in one case Jesus even made a mockery of the religious people being lifted up in pride because they paid tithes and in Hebrews where the author was mentioning Melchisedec and the levitical priesthood and how that pointed to Jesus. None of those cases could even remotely be interpreted as a commandment for Christians to continue the practice neither could it be assumed by those scriptures that such a commandment was being implied.
Additionally, I provided irrefutable proof that some of the scriptures cited in the NTCC doctrinal statement supporting tithe had absolutely NOTHING to do with tithing at all such as 1 Cor 16:2. That scripture clearly has to do with taking up an offering or collection for the relief of the poor people in the church and nothing to do with a mandate that one is required to pay 10% of their income, increase or the like.
The only examples you can find in the New Testament where the Apostles encouraged monetary giving was for the relief of the poor, fatherless or widow or the redistribution of wealth which Davis and Kekel never advocated and Kekel said that the Apostle Peter was misguided in doing so. So they explain away and or refute the practice of real giving and support of the poor while simultaneously deliberately misusing scriptures to support paying tithe which a blind man could see has nothing to do with tithing at all.
Davis was a crook.
Just food for thought. An open mind is a good thing. What the New Testament does command is that you provide for your family because if you don't, the Bible say you are worse than an infidel. So if I was running low on money, I'd take care of my family first before I'd give a dime to the church. How would you like to pay tithe and be worse than an infidel at exactly the same time? Well there is no telling how many thousands of NTCCers have fallen in that category.
ANON MIKE
This alone should cause them to be put off limits to military bases... The problem is the squad leader gets a soldier who tends to be honest, hard working, and respectful. Unlike those who don't attend church and are chasing strippers, cursing, and getting DWI's.
The Army would have a tough time banning an org that creates better soldiers who are trouble free for the most part.
Better Soldiers is relative but I do get your point. There are plenty, plenty of good soldiers in the military who are better than the ones in the NTCC. The problem with NTCC soldiers is that they quickly get to a point where they are no longer "that" interested in the military. Additionally they often are brainwashed into having an interest in heading off to Graham Washington.
Well that's not good for retention during times when retention becomes a military priority. But like I said; I've known thousands and thousands and thousands of soldiers over the last 32 years who had nothing to do with the NTCC who were OUTSTANDING soldiers and a whole lot more dedicated to the Army cause than NTCC soldiers, (generally speaking).
I'd was definitely a better Soldier when I wasn't in the NTCC vs when I was for a variety of reasons. Having said all that, I do totally understand your point and I understand that in some instances, there would be validity to what you stated.
Chief
ANON MIKE
Good point, they did lose interest in the military. They all wanted to become preachers, all were called to go to graham and become ministers. I always thought that was a bit bizarre. I'd like to point out that they rarely caused problems in the Army but they were always terrible husbands.
Where have the Shunks been with all the stuff coming out of NTCC?
Wow, no wonder they say most millionaires make their money in Real estate.
Anonymous said:
"Where have the Shunks been with all the stuff coming out of NTCC?"
Try looking for them in the Ashmore's Camp. You might be surprised who you find over there. Chief, if you want to participate in a really good forum just like factnet, open up a facebook account and request a friendship with James Ashmore's commentary and you will find a whole bunch of people trash talking the ntcc. He'll probably accept you or anyone into the fold, especially if you are wanting to see the New Testament church fall.
Interesting you say that. I've read on his own blog that he didn't quit, he was "let go" but in his words would still be there if they just responded to his requests.
Its a journey when you leave. thats why so many people stay in cults. Mainly because of all of the friends they have there and after living this way for 10-15-20+ years, especially for a man, its hard to leave because we don't have to wear a dress or not cut our hair, and your wife has to do everything you tell her to do.
But then when you begin to really think it through and look at the bible, many of their teachings just aren't biblical.
For instance, If they are a true full gospel church, then how come they never lay hands on the sick at an altar call like 99% of the other full gospel/pentecostal churches do and the bible specifically teaches?
If they claim to preach the whole counsel of the bible, Have you ever heard a sermon on grace or with Ephesians 2 being the text?
Yes, I realize the once saved always saved argument, but why not teach from that scripture or chapter at least once a year?
I could go on, but its of little use. You've got to make your own choice and ask these same questions in your conscience that so many of us have done, and now are healed and the better for it.
Chief, I didn't mean that last comment as an insult, but I actually think that there are a lot of big time X-ministers and X-members that use his Facebook page as a platform to air their grievances against the ntcc. Ashmore has allowed just about anyone to come on board, but I'm not sure if he would allow you even if you wanted to, but I would venture to say that there is a lot more anti ntcc participation on Ashmores Facebook page then there is on both of our blogs together. I don't know this to be a fact but I have heard through the grapevine through X-ministers who are Facebook friends with Ashmore that a lot of ntcc discontentment is displayed there. Some used to participate in the blogs and sided with many of us. As soon as it became public that Ashmore left, there have been people that couldn't wait to jump ship. Xer's and ntcc'rs alike. I wouldn't be surprised if there are more X-ers than ntcc'rs that have defected to the dark side. Not that you would want to, but I bet if you friend requested Ashmore and stroked his ego a bit, he'd probably let you on board, on a trial basis that is. The first time that you said anything to offend his delicate character, he'd probably unfreind you.
Where is Davis' wife living?
If you google her "Verna Mae Davis" she lives in Glendale Arizona and Graham Washington.
DnA said...
Chief, I didn't mean that last comment as an insult
Chief said...
I didn't take it as an insult. Never even crossed my mind. I've been golfing today and bowling last night. First time on the blog since. I'm not even suer which comment you're talking about. LOL.
Chief
So who's in the big house now? who gets the little house? Is Grant coming home anytime soon to take the throne by daddy?
What work/mission will he start?
He'd get a church with considerable tithe coming in from the start if he ever got anything. Having said that, I really doubt Grant will get a church. He doesn't have to. The Kekel's will break him off a large house, (compliments) NTCC tithe payers along with a whole bunch of money no doubt without him ever stepping foot in a church. And when it happens, it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Grants been (SERIOUSLY) benefiting from our tithe money from a couple decades anyway so whats new. Your tithe money serves one purpose where the NTCC is concerned. Ultimately to provide the Kekels whatever their hearts desire and if you think any different you are a blind ignorant dummy.
Chief
I hope Grant sees how evil his father is and leaves. If he comes back then he'll be the same crook as Kekel.
Grant is back in WA and you can believe that he's being taking care better than any preacher is up there in Graham!
HE'S BACK????
What is he doing?
Grant is some IT/account executive.
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