(Continuation) "SFC Johnson: I Need Your Help" Part II

Thread #31 I am starting this thread at the request of SFC Johnson. I figured, "why not" being that the last SFC Johnson thread did so well, and there was so much participation. Also, with much prayer, "It seemed good to the Lord." NOT!!! That is the statement that NTCC ministers made regularly when they didn't otherwise, from a logical standpoint, have a clue what action should have been taken.

Let me break it down a little bit further. I will start with "It seemed". I looked up the word seemed in the dictionary and it means: "to give the outward appearance of being or to pretend to be" So when an NTCC minister says, "It seemed", it means that there is nothing conclusive to what they are about to say next which in this case is the word "good." Now let me break this down. Good is the opposite of bad so when someone says, "It seemed good", that means it appeared to be good but it actually could be bad because it only "seemed" good.

Now let me continue with the part where they throw in, "to the Lord." That part of the statement is no more than a bunch of super-spiritual, phony baloney, holier than thou mumbo jumbo. You see they throw that part in the statement because they don't expect anyone to question the quote "Lord." Why didn't they just say that "it seemed good to me"? That is all it really was anyway, because if it was truly from the lord, it wouldn't "seem" like anything, it would be that way. Why didn't they say it "is" good to the Lord? Because they don't have ANY IDEA whether it is good to the Lord or not, and because they don't want to take any responsibility for their decision, they place it all on the Lord but conveniently throw in the disclaimer "seemed." And in doing that, they can say they didn't ever know for certain whether it was good to the Lord or not, when everything goes wrong.

There you go SFC Johnson; how do you like that? Ha, ha.

Jeff

SFC Johnson: I Need Your Help

Thread #30

SFC Johnson: Please give me a call at 404-405-7842 when you get a chance. I am working on something that you could potentially play a huge role in.

For all that don't know, SFC Johnson was involved with the NTCC for a long time and he and his wife experienced some serious abuse that was dished by NTCC pastors. He has posted on here extensively and he is quite passionate when writing about all the garbage that he and his family had to put up with. I can totally relate because I think he and I are in a race to see who can tell the greatest number NTCC horror stories. I don't think this blog could contain all of mine and his put together. I know; not literally.

SFC Johnson: We need someone to contract us to write a book about our unbelievable experiences while with the NTCC. It would probably become a #1 seller and we would become millionaires. I initially said this in joking but in the last one minute I realize that it's actually worth thinking about. Nevertheless that is not what I would like to talk to you about because what I would like to talk to you about is of much greater importance. Our Soldiers. I need your help hooah.

Jeff

I Posted This Comment On Factnet About A Year Ago The Topic Is Relevant To Recent Decisions About Wealth That Only A Select Few In The NTCC Possess

Thread #28 I posted this before and I am throwing it back to the top to see if I can get more takers. I really feel that this tells a lot about the NTCC leadership.

If I were a preacher, I personally would not be interested in telling the people in church: "The more that you give in the offering, the more that you will be blessed". Is that why half of your NTCC pastors are essentially broke? Just because you give sacrificially to a crooked church organization, does not mean that you will be blessed. If I give sacrificially to a pimp will I be blessed? Give to someone that is poor and needs it and you will be blessed. Cornelius gave alms and God blessed him. That is Biblical proof. I would rather give to the poor than put another dime into Davis’s greedy organization. I would rather help someone that has a true need than to help Kekel and Davis just get richer. What did Jesus tell the young rich man? Sell what you have and give to the POOR. He didn’t say give sacrificially to the Rich which Davis and Kekel obviously fall in the category of so that they can have bigger houses and more land and so that Grant can attend a high school that costs about $20,000 anually. And they do this while their Pastors who have dedicated there lives to God and the Org financially struggle. The Pastors helpers also struggle because many of them find it difficult to get a decent job that only requires them to work 8 to 5, Mon – Fri. So Davis and Kekel get richer while the vast majority of everyone else remain in a perpetual state of poverty.

They convince people to give while displaying a scripture in the NTCC doctrinal statement that has absolutely nothing to do with paying tithes: 1Cor 16:2. That scripture deals with giving to poor Christians/Saints in Jerusalem. Read 1Cor 16:2 and reference it against Rom 15:26. You guys are being willfully deceptive in using that scripture in your doctrinal statement to support tithes. What do you think; we are all just stupid? 1Cor 16.2 has nothing to do with tithing. I am challenging ANYONE out in cyberspace or in the NTCC to prove me wrong!! If you can't prove me wrong, which you won't be able to, than that is proof that the NTCC leadership is willfully deceitful. All you have to do to view the NTCC doctrinal statement, is go on the NTCCs official web site, and look under "we believe", and there you will find the NTCC's doctrinal statement. 1Cor 16:2 deals with helping out the less fortunate folks in the Christian Church. When it come right down to it you guys are nothing more than a bunch of prosperity preachers. The difference is, unlike the big prosperity churches; your system makes it almost impossible for your "faithful" church members and preachers to prosper minus a select few. The schedule that you maintain doesn't allow most people to find and or work a decent job. Consequently the only answer is, "Get the money from the people", which you have no problem preaching. The laborer is worthy of his hire does not mean get filthy rotten rich off of your church members while they struggle financially. It definitely doesn’t mean that the NTCC CEO, President, and Founder stay filthy rotten rich while their pastors and church members struggle in the depths of poverty literally below what is considered the poverty level.

Jeff

Many NTCC pastors Lack Common Decency And They Don't Truly Care About Their Church Members And Specifically Their Pregnant Church Members

Thread #27 I pasted this from a previous thread.

In my opinion the NTCC did just about everything short of murdering people. That may sound extreme but I actually mean that.

Another NTCC Sister that I have never talked to before, called me last night and told me of yet another case where a woman was driven to such extreme soul winning while she was pregnant, that she had a miscarriage. Now can I say from a factual, medical standpoint that for sure she "had the miscarriage" because she was guilt tripped into soul winning so much during her pregnancy by her abusive NTCC pastor? Of course not. Can I say that her NTCC pastor lacked basic consideration and common decency and that he was definitely an abusive jerk? Most definitely. Can I say that a woman can be driven to miscarrying her baby due to too much strenuous activity. Yes and this is why.

My wife was driven to do so much for the NTCC church including "much" soul winning that her OBGYN ordered her to bed rest because she was having premature contractions that came months in advance. During that time Mayers was consistently asking when she would be back to church and back to doing all the NTCC activities which includes soul winning. She regularly continued to go soul winning right up to her 7th month until her doctor and I finally put our foot down. Mayers biggest concern was his sorry church program and not the people in it. As I already stated, she finally did stop but she definitely went on far longer than she should have with all that church business and soul winning.

I hold a lot of guilt because I allowed it to continue as long as I did. We left Mayers church for good before my wife ever gave birth to our son. I got sick and tired of his abuse, but I am guilty of allowing it to be perpetuated much longer than I should have.

Bro J. said the same thing happened to his wife but she actually had a miscarriage and the other sister that called me last night told me the same story!!!! Do these pastors care about the well being of their church members? Absolutely not; and when a pastor doesn't even care about a woman who is pregnant and he doesn't care about her unborn child's well being, that is the next worse thing to murder in my genuine opinion.

Driving a pregnant woman like a slave is about as bad as you can get.

Jeff

NTCC's Views on Women

Thread #26 I want to start a thread about all the bad things that women had to endure in NTCC. NTCC has a very old fashioned view of women, which they say they get from the Bible. Their basic belief, and this is certainly evidenced by their practices, is that women are stupid and only good for cleaning the house, cooking the food, having sex and making babies. At least when they are not telling you that it is not a good idea to have a baby. Women are NOT allowed to have a leadership role in church, with the exception of Tanya and a few other UPPER CLASS NTCC woman. There may be some biblical validity to women not holding certain leadership roles in the church, but why is Tanya Kekel the biggest exception to that rule in the NTCC? Nepotism but that is a whole different subject. If you listen to Davis for any length of time, you really get the impression that he thinks pretty lowly of women.

It doesn't matter how smart you are, or how educated you are. If you are a woman and join NTCC, you will never get to use your talents period. Of course once again, not unless you are Tanya. I know a lot of educated and intelligent women in NTCC who hated fellowshipping with the typical sister, because all they talked about was coupons and babies and sewing and thrift stores, and if they were the UPPER CLASS, shopping at real stores and buying NEW items not USED.

If you want to talk about politics, or the economy, or issues of any real importance, you'd better find another church if you are a woman, because it is a rare occurrence that you will discuss those topics with any of the "Male" leaders. But, according to NTCC, if you are a woman, those intelligent topics are for men only and that is certainly the impression that RWD gives. Why do I say that?

How often during a fellowship, either out at a restaurant, or in the serviceman's home, do you see men and women fellowshipping together? Not often unless they are eating and often they are separated there also. What's a stupid woman doing wanting to talk politics? Of course, in the real world, women make great leaders, and hold positions in all kinds of intelligent fields. A lot of great inventions and ideas in this world have been created by women. If they had belonged to the NTCC none of it would have happened, because Davis would have reminded them how they were nobodies or second class so to speak, and were only suppose to cook, clean and have sex. NTCC is so out of touch with reality on this issue it's incredible. Read Proverbs Chapter 31 and that will put thing back into perspective. I also have seen women in NTCC who were better leaders and decision makers than their preacher husbands. And if you are a married women in NTCC, forget about working on a job-- it is not allowed and Jeff has covered that topic extensively.

I have personally witnessed Davis tearing women down for no good reason. I remember once sitting in a class while Davis proceeded to criticize a new sister because she wore a bow in her hair. It was a very strong criticism in front of the whole class. The poor girl was crying and Davis could care less. Those of us sitting there couldn't believe we were witnessing this senseless act of cruelty by Davis. And what was his point? Who cared if she had a bow in her hair? What if one of us had started to criticize his daughter because her dresses were too tight?

Feel free to share your stories-- I know there are ALOT of horror stories out there.

Casey

Once Again; Double Standards

Thread #25 This morning I was rereading some older FACTNet messages and I found this one written by an exNTCC minister. The Minister was giving his account of a discussion that he had with the Johnson's shortly before he left the NTCC for good. What he wrote just highlights once again, that the NTCC makes exceptions to the rule of "you either don't do this or you are going to hell."

We all know that NTCC women have never been allowed to wear makeup for any reason, or they were considered "Hell Bound". Well every woman would have been considered "Hell Bound" except, Sis Johnson and maybe a few select others that I don't know of. All other NTCC women were going to hell if they even tried it, and for those ladies, there were no exceptions authorized to that rule for ANY REASON. Once again; can you spell double standard. Well without further ado, posted below is the statement that was written and posted on FACTNet by the exNTCC Minister who got sick and tired of the NTCC double standards so he left.

ExNTCC Minister said...

"I also learned with the Johnson’s that not all make-up is make-up. Sis Johnson told me and my wife that she wears some kind of cover up for her rosy cheeks condition. My wife was blown away. Sis. Johnson said she did not consider it make-up."

Jeff said...

Here is the way I see it. I understand that Mrs. Johnson has a skin condition and I have no problem with her not only feeling the need to, but also actually covering it up with makeup. Well guess what? Do you know how many NTCC women have some kind of skin problem whether it be acne, or some kind of mild skin blotches, or they just don't like the coloration of their skin and as a result they would rather alter their skin color with makeup? I'm sure plenty.

So what does this mean? That Mrs. Johnson gets a break because her husband is a leader in the church!!! Period.

The NTCC stinks!!!

Jeff Collins

Oh, incidentally: NTCC folks always like to say that we are nothing but a bunch of fault finders. I'm not the one who tried to enforce the rule of wearing No makeup in the first place; it was the NTCC.

The NTCC has Found Fault with every woman in history who has worn makeup. So don't say I'm the fault finder when I'm simply highlighting the occurrence of one of your own ladies breaking your OWN RULE. You hypocrites don't have any problem finding fault with EVERYONE ELSE who wears makeup. How about starting with one of your own like Mrs. Johnson who is NOT a Church Member. You won't because you are too weak.