The NTCC; A Communist, Capitalist Organization. Part 3 Of A Series

Thread #43 Once again; as stated in the previous thread, the definition of the word communism is: "a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party."

Communism and Capitalism usually don't run hand in hand but the NTCC is a church who's leadership has crafted a way to make the two work as one in order to satisfy their greed. To understand, one must also know the definition for capitalism: "an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals or corporations, esp. as contrasted to cooperatively or state-owned means of wealth."

You see to understand this you must first understand how a corporation runs and understand that the NTCC is in fact a corporation. In a corporation people are appointed as Officers to manage all corporate assets. These appointments are normally found on the organizations corporate resolution. The corporate resolution identifies people in the corporation who have been given the authority to purchase property, sell property, redistribute property, for example in the case of the Kekel land gift, and handle the corporate finances. If the corporate officers decide to allot a specific minister an unfair share of money there is virtually nothing anyone else can do about it. Not only that but there is virtually no one else other than a select few who would even know about it like the case of the Kekel land gift. Had we not dug it up and posted it on factnet no one other than Olson, RWD, Kekel and maybe Defrancesco would know about it to this day. There are only a handful of people in the NTCC who have any control or knowledge of what goes on with any of the NTCCs property or money.

You see the point that I was making when saying all that, is that the system of capitalism only legitimately benefits a select few in the NTCC. Everyone else, with a few exceptions in the NTCC, for all intensive purposes, lives under Communism. Why? Because the self-perpetuating totalitarian capitalist NTCC leaders, control all economic activity within the NTCC. Hence the definition of communism.

Take the seminary for example. Here is what the student handbook says about finances: "The Seminary looks to the Lord to supply its material needs through the gifts of His stewards, and it is consistent with scripture to, if necessary, make the Seminary's financial needs known. Giving is a privilege and is entirely voluntary."

First off that is garbage. Lets be real. The Seminary doesn't look to the Lord for anything. It looks to the people. That is one of RWDs common teachings and I heard him say this kind of stuff openly in conference. He said that some pastors are in terrible need of money because they are afraid to ask the people. He also taught that if the pastors weren't holding a full schedule of church services they had no business calling Graham if they were short on money. So what he was teaching is that the more church services you hold per week the more money you can bleed from your poeple or the more you can fleece your sheep. Then these crooked NTCC leaders once again used some good old mind manipulation to convince their students that they the students will receive benefit when they give money. They did this when they stated in writing that quote "Giving is a privilege." I'm of the belief that Kekel is "privileged" when he receives enough money from the NTCC "givers" that he is able to live in a huge house that is like a museum inside and he is able to send his son to an academy that costs almost $20,000 a year! Kekel and RWD and some of the other greedy ministers are the ones privileged, not the other way around.

In fact the NTCC has figured out how to make it as hard as possible for the average member or minister to ever accumulate any substantial amount of money or assets. How do I draw that conclusion? Show me one place in the bible where it says that you "HAVE" to attend "Five" services a week or you will go to hell? An NTCC person is generally forbidden from working on Saturdays or Sundays or in the evenings or overtime. The NTCC teaches that women can't work unless the NTCC leadership makes an exception to that rule. They don't tell you about the exception part even though it does exist. It's not even biblical to teach that women can't work on a job in the first place. I've proved that in previous threads. The NTCC writes that giving is voluntary but the leadership lays every guilt trip imaginable on folks who don't either feel compelled to give, or really can't afford to give. So "the people" give anyway, and they remain broke working limited hours due to NTCC mandates, while denying there wife the option of "legitimately helping out" due to NTCC mandates, while simultaneously watching the Kekel and Davis family become more wealthy by the minute at the current or previous expense of everyone else's sacrifice.

Plainly put the NTCC has their people duped. Because of their bogus rules, the NTCC leadership covertly controls all economic activity within THEIR organization and then to top it off they manipulatively convince their people that "Giving is a privilege". For the record giving to the poor and needy is a privilege; not giving to a church that only provides substantial monetary benefits to the greedy rich folks and no one else. I believe that God expects us to have better judgement than that. I don't call that being a good steward. You wonder why you can't seem to ever get out of the poverty class, NTCC person? Maybe because you give all your money away while letting the NTCC convince you not to work on a job that interferes with their services. What good are all those services and functions doing you anyway? The Bible says that you are worse than an infidel if you aren't providing for your own family; 1Tim 5:8. The Bible was talking about your immediate family not Kekel and RWD. The NTCC won't even let there students quit their job if they don' t tell the NTCC leadership first. Once again, another example of control of economic activity.

Jeff

The NTCC; A Communist Christian Organization. Part 2 Of A Series

Thread #42 As stated in the previous thread, the definition of the word communism is: "a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party."

This is significant because my assessment is quite legitimate. Let's first talk about the totalitarian state of the NTCCs mandates, concerning controlling ones social activities. Also; how can the NTCC be considered a "totalitarian state"? Definition: exercising control over the freedom, will, or thought of others; authoritarian; autocratic

The NTCC is exactly that. PROOF!!! This is on page 5 of the NTCS handbook. "Once you arrive at that Seminary, all correspondence with your previous church, its members and Pastor should cease." "If you need to correspond with someone in another church, simply inform Rev. Kekel of your intentions." Page 9 of the handbook: "Internet access is not allowed in any dorm at any time" Page 10 of the handbook: "Family events, such as weddings, graduation and such like , are not valid reasons for absence." "In the event of Illness, you are required to obtain a doctor's excuse and must do so within tow days of your absence. (If you are sick enough to miss class, you need to see a doctor)." "By signing the pledge you agree to abide by the guidelines and policies of the seminary, including obtaining permission for certain activities, (listed below)." Page 11 of the handbook: "All students are to go directly home after classes, this is for the purpose of typing, studying and completing their class work while the lectures are still fresh in your mind. Fridays and Saturdays are exempt from this rule" "Fellowship is limited to two couples, without exception. Obtain permission before issuing invitations. Married students are not allowed to invite dorm students to their houses. Periodically inform Rev. Kekel of your baby-sitting arrangements." "Courtship is permitted during Sunday Evening Fellowships, but only by permission." Page 12 of the handbook: "The patronizing of professional sporting events is not allowed. Playing cards, television sets, classical music and any other such immorality as set forth in the scripture is forbidden." Page 14 of the handbook: Permission to quit a job is a pre-requisite; i.e. before you say anything to your employer.

Jeff said...

Is not all social activity controlled by the NTCC? They tell you who you can socialize with and when, what family events you are allowed to attend, how many people you can socialize with, what church's you can socialize with, who you have to ask permission from, when you have to go home, where you are allowed to access the Internet from, what sporting events you can attend, where you have to be to listen to radio preachers / page 12, what to do if you get sick and how!!!! Tell me of one other college that you actually pay to attend, that makes you bring a doctors excuse if you are sick and mandates that you go to a doctor. Totalitarian all the way and therefor communist all the way. All social activity is controlled by the totalitarian state and don't say that is only for seminary students. Hogwash. It wouldn't matter if it was for seminary students only because it is a communist, totalitarian method used specifically to gain total control of everything that NTCC folks do. It is also designed to suppress information flow which is called "censorship" within a communist party.

I was told by an NTCC pastor years ago not to go to my God Fathers funeral. I was told by Mayers who could babysit my child about 7 years ago. I was told who I could fellowship with and who's house I could go to by Ramirez years ago. I was told by LD Jones that my job was unacceptable. I was told who I could or couldn't date and what RACE. I doesn't matter who these rules are for because it is a bunch of garbage for church members or seminary students to follow any of this stuff because the NTCC is a totalitarian, communist organization and they fit the description and definition to a tea.

The real acronym for the NTCC is the NTTCCC: New Testament Totalitarian Christian Communist Church. They proved such an accusation by the existence of their very own handbook. Tell me of one other institution, organization, or country in the world other communist China that have such rules and censorship. Iran maybe, the old USSR, Cambodia, North Korea, Iraq under Saddam Hussein and the baathist party? READ THE NTCS HANDBOOK because it is totally absurd. It is Mike Kekel and RWDs attempt to control every facet of your life. Why? Because if they control your life they control your money!!!

a system of social organization in which all "economic" and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party." In part 3 I will cover the economic control using none other than; "The NTCS Handbook"

Jeff

The Communism, The Capitalism, The Cult, The NTCS, The Student Handbook. Part 1 Of A Series

Thread #41 The NTCC leadership, with Mike Kekel at the helm, has devised the most devious, and diabolical methods, to control their church members, that probably exists in the Christian world. I will systematically prove my assertion with the use of only one document; the 2006 NTCS student handbook. I am attaching a hyperlink to the NTCS student handbook for all to use as reference, in the event that someone wants to verify the information that I have included.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/11625258/NTCS-Student-Handbook-SPRING-2006

Currently I don't have much time because I have to get ready for work however I will preface the series of posts that I am prepared to publish with one statement found in the NTCS handbook.

One requirement on page 12 of the handbook it reads as follows: "We expect that students will continue to maintain these high standards even when away from Seminary."

I personally talked to Mike Kekel on the phone within the last 6 months. He assured me that the quote "knot head" or "knuckle head" pastors who were abusive and controlling, didn't know enough or have enough sense to leave the seminary behind when they went out to pastor a church.

Well Mike; isn't that a great and novel concept other than the FACT that you tell them in your student handbook that they need to continue to maintain these high standards even when away from seminary. Well they never stopped what you should have never started. The fact is if you didn't teach these absurd controlling rules neither would your pastors but the apple never falls far from the tree. I don't care how you think they are supposed to interpret that statement; that is what you wrote and printed in YOUR handbook, and signed your name to. You have a bunch of NTCC pastors who are overly controlling, with a bunch of stupid rules to follow, and they got those rules from your communist, totalitarian handbook and they are continuing to enforce them because of what you teach and partly because of what you wrote on page 12 of YOUR student handbook. I will continue later with the communism part. I will preface the next thread with the definition of the word communism.

"a system of social organization in which all economic and social activity is controlled by a totalitarian state dominated by a single and self-perpetuating political party."

Jeff

The New And Improved NTCC?

Thread #40 Some would contend that the NTCC is new and improved. You may ask why I say that? Mandatory minister conference attendance that has been mandated for decades is OVER. I'm sure everyone remembers that it used to be a mandatory requirement that NTCC ministers attend conference. Well it is over.

How many times in the last 3 years have you seen S. Mayers at conference? He is the pastor of the Atlanta Church. Aren't pastors required to attend conferences anymore? How many other pastors or ministers have you missed seeing at conference? I know of more who have repeatedly missed conferences. Some who actually have the money miss conferences deliberately. RWD would have considered them to be completely wrong or even a sinner had they missed conferences previously. Has God changed, or has RWD changed, or has Kekel and Kinson changed everything while in the process of still changing everything. Well I know God hasn't changed so the rest must be true. The problem is that RWD has always stated that he took his directives from God. Either that wasn't true or he has forsaken God's guidance. ONE OR THE OTHER.

Is the NTCC Improved? In some respects yes but at what cost? At the cost of every minister who has ever spent his last dollar, or quit his job, or deliberately place his bills on the back shelf, or failed to effectively take care of his own family just to make it to conference. It's a slap in the face to ALL NTCC ministers who have been required to attend conferences for decades.

What is the NTCC leadership doing about it? Nothing but turning a blind eye while allowing pastors like Mayers to miss conferences repeatedly. To all the NTCC ministers who have sacrificed to make conferences year after year; you've just been slapped in the face, now bend over.

Did men wear shorts at the last conference? There shouldn't be a problem with it because Kekel wrote that it is OK for men to wear shorts. Kekel wrote that his son wore shorts to play basketball and it was ok because they came to his knees. Kekel wrote: What is the difference between a man wearing shorts that come to his knees and a woman wearing a dress that comes to her knees? Once again; an improvement? Maybe so but at the cost of every NTCC man that was ever taught that wearing shorts was a SIN and immodest. Length was never specified you hypocrite. It was simply taught that they were wrong.

What about beards? Mike Kekel wrote this on his blog, and you can still find it written there by Mike Kekel himself. Mikes written statement reads as follows: "This is another policy that has been misconstrued. Ministers are taught in seminary that the bible says nothing at all about facial hair being wrong; therefore NTCC does not teach that it is wrong"

Jeff said...

Oh it's not taught in the NTCC that it is wrong for men to wear beards? Could have fooled me because I heard RWD in conference openly refer to men who wear beards as the quote; "TALIBAN", end of quote. Kekel, you are a sorry hypocrite and so is your father-in-law. Everyone thought it was so funny when RWD called men with beards the TALIBAN. I guess Jesus was the TALIBAN. The last time I checked, the TALIBAN was wrong. Ain't nothing been misconstrued Kekel!!! You guys are a bunch of double standard, hypocrites who make quote, policies, laws for years, and say it came from God, and then you change them and say they were never wrong to start with.

Jeff

NTCC's Take On Marriage Or Rather, What Is NTCC’s Take On Marriage?

Thread #39 The NTCC is an organization that definitely advocates marriage as a whole. The NTCC is also an organization that definitely advocates divorce within their ranks. Through out the years the NTCC has systematically done everything in their power to break up marriages and compel people get divorces. Most inquiring minds would wonder why it is, that a "church" leadership who advocates marriage, would go so far out of their way to promote divorce among their members? The answer is simple.

The NTCC only wants their members to remain married if both married parties, "happily" show that they maintain the desire to remain part of the NTCCs cultish organization. Why did I put quotes around the word happily? Because the NTCC does not under any circumstances want someone to remain a part of their organization, if that person doesn't openly show joyful contentment, with the NTCC as a whole, and more importantly, with everything that the NTCC teaches. When any individual questions the NTCCs doctrine, or the NTCCs leadership, that individual very rapidly becomes ostracized by the NTCC leadership; and this ostracizing starts at the individuals pastor and has been known to continue up the chain, all the way to RWD himself.

When there is a married couple in the NTCC and one of the married parties becomes disgruntled with the NTCC as a whole, the NTCC leadership will do their best to convince the person who is NOT disgruntled with the NTCC to leave and DIVORCE the one who is. When there is a married couple and only one of the two parties attends church with the NTCC, the NTCC pastors have been know to try and convince the one spouse to go to the NTCC's so called Bible school, and leave their spouse behind and ultimately divorce that person in the end.

NTCC pastors have EVEN been know to try and get a married person interested in someone other than their spouse, because their spouse was not a part of the NTCC. My wife and I witnessed this exact occurrence. An NTCC pastor and his wife. made innuendos to a Married Sister, that she take interest in an unmarried brother in our NTCC church. Remember; this woman was still happily married, but her husband refused to be a part of the NTCC. They spoke to this Sister who happened to be close to 60 years old, about leaving Georgia and in the end no doubt her husband also, and go to the NTCC's so called Bible school. Sounds like a great practice, don't you think folks?

Over the years, marriage has only been important to many NTCC leaders, if both married parties wanted to be a part of the NTCC. If they both didn't want to be a part of the NTCC, the NTCC would do their best, to try and convince one spouse to "STAY WITH THE NTCC", while leaving and ultimately divorcing the other. This is a fact folks. These things have been commonly practiced by the NTCC, and these practices definitely give the NTCC a place in the "Cult Hall Of Fame."

Jeff Collins

The Big Lie

By Casey Hayes

Thread #38 Whenever someone leaves NTCC, almost without fail they will lie about that person. If you go away quietly and keep your big mouth shut, you may get away with a mild lie, where they will tell people, “He got crossed up with God”, “He started listening to the devil”, etc. If you leave and decide to spill the beans about ntcc, and tell people how abusive and manipulative they are, then the leaders will be compelled to tell the big lie—“He turned into a devil”; “I knew he never was saved”; “they just wanted the world”; or maybe “I think he ran off with someone’s wife and is a drunk now”.

I was thinking about this recently, because someone posted how after I left, some “workers” that we briefly had criticized us as being lazy and not wanting to “work for the Lord”—or something to that effect. I’ve also heard that I left because I wanted money. (I find that funny, because when your in ntcc and have NO money, and leave and finally get some—you supposedly left because you were greedy and loved money more than God. But, if you’re one of the rich leaders who is living like a millionaire in your mansion, while your fellow brothers and sisters are near poverty and you do nothing for them—nobody seems to think that maybe the LEADERS love money more than God!). But the worst was the lie that we had taken money sent to us in an oversees work and “misappropriated” it by spending it on our kids. Not only was it a lie, but I tearfully asked God why the leaders would lie about me like that!!!! Well, I’ve learned since then that it is classic Davis.

But, it is just really unfair (and sinister really) that you can devote years and years of your life to ntcc, spend all of your hard earned money for ntcc, sacrifice your wife and kids lifestyle, go through incredible hardship and pressure and turmoil, and live in poverty—all for ntcc—just to have them LIE about you when you leave-- and make everyone, especially your friends, think that you are a loser who just wasn’t willing to sacrifice for the Lord. It doesn’t matter if you were faithful for 5 years, 10 years, 20 years, or 30 years. You WILL be lied about and talked bad about, and the church will be left with a negative impression of you. It’s called Character Assassination. And ntcc has perfected it. You wish you could call all your ntcc friends and tell them the TRUTH, but you can’t.

I remember Kekel telling me how Brian Pelfrey, who is a good friend of mine, got “crossed up with God and started lying about ntcc”. At the time I had a hard time believing that Brian and his wife would do that. Later, after talking to him directly, I found out that the story was completely different than I was led to believe. Brian had made the mistake of telling Davis how incredibly abusive and manipulative Steve Dorsey and his wife were toward the congregation in Newport News, Virginia. The church members had come up to them one by one to recount horror stories of Dorsey. When Brian brought this to Davis’ attention, he was told that the church members were lying and that it never happened. But it DID happen. Brian and Tracy left ntcc soon after- and so Davis brought out the BIG LIE. It wasn’t Dorsey that was the problem, it was BRIAN who was the problem! Classic cult tactic.

Has anyone else on here been lied about?

Trust Kekel And RWD? You've Got To Be Kidding Me!

Thread #37 How are you supposed to trust Kekel and RWD when their leadership is so pathetic, that they allow their own church members to come over and clean Kekel's house when he has a wife who could do it her self. I'm supposed to trust Kekel? What? It isn't the church members or the bible school students fault that Kekel lives in a virtual museum, and he needs a maid, because his wife is one of the only women in the NTCC allowed to have a job.

I wouldn't even dream of allowing my church to run a roster to determine who will be first to clean my house. Anyone who thinks that is OK doesn't know SQUAT about GOOD LEADERSHIP or GOOD DECENCY. Believe it or not that in itself is about the worst psychological manipulation that I have seen. To convince your whole church that they will be blessed if they come and clean your house? Well NTCC church member; your wife can clean the MASTERS house if she wants to, but my wife will clean OUR house, not Master Kekels. His wife can clean his house, and I don't want his wife cleaning mine either because she needs to be the keeper of her own home. What a joke!!!

Man what do I need to do to have about 100 women who are other men's wives get on a list to come clean my house? WOW!!!! Next thing you know Kekel's going to have about 50 concubines. He actually has that already but they are just other men's wives who come to clean his house. "Just make sure you get on your HANDS AND KNEES SISTER when you scrub my HARD WOOD FLOORS." "Just BEND OVER to get the places that need it the most!" Yeah!!! JEFF what is wrong with you? Nothing but maybe what I wrote will get your attention because you are letting your wife get the proverbial pimp treatment. Man you've got to be kidding me because more than half of these women are married. They ain't got no business going to clean another mans house and especially a man who is supposed to be their pastor. You husbands should not allow that to happen. You are being pimped.

That was actually part of the previous thread but I realized that it had become way too long.

Jeff

Stewardship; The NTCC Way

Thread #36

Anonymous said...

"I was thinking upon these things when I was reading my Bible. Stewardship! NTCC frequently tells its members to be good stewards with the things that God gives them. For an example we were instructed not to give money to bums on the street, because there was a question to were the money was going. However, the financial secrecy that surrounds NTCC does not leave the room for the church member to practice good stewardship. Am I right or wrong?"

Jeff said...

You are absolutely right. The NTCC leadership wanted us to literally, blindly trust that they were investing money in all the areas that God would have them to. There was always much secrecy concerning the handling of finances throughout the NTCC. What I want to know is why should any of us have trusted the NTCC leadership? The NTCC leadership doesn't even trust their own pastors, and they prove that they don't, with the way they handle the church escrow accounts. The church pastor can deposit money into the escrow accounts, but only certain leaders in Graham have the signature authority to make any withdraws from the escrow accounts. Once the money is put into the escrow accounts by the local pastor, that same local pastor no longer has any control what so ever, over what is done with that money.

The leadership in Graham teaches that the escrow account is handled that way to protect NTCC Incorporated from a potential renegade pastor who might decide to leave his church with all the money. Ok that is great, but what protection does the local NTCC churches have that guarantees that the NTCC leadership in Graham won't take that money, and do what ever they want with it? There is no financial protection setup for the local NTCC churches what so ever. The local church folks just simply have to trust that RWD, Kekel, Olson and the rest of the NTCC leaders will do the right thing with that escrow money. Well buddy I don't trust them no more then they trust their OWN PASTORS!!!

Did everyone know that it is a common NTCC practice for the NTCC leadership to take every dime of the escrow money when an NTCC pastor leaves a location and is replaced by another NTCC pastor. Did you know that it is common for the NTCC leadership to leave the incoming NTCC pastor with a zero balance in an escrow that was previously loaded with money? That is right, and it has been confirmed by MANY NTCC pastors. Not only that but sometimes the money has never been restored to the location where the money was taken from. I have been told exactly that by three different NTCC pastors and one of them said that it happened to quite a few others. The NTCC pastor would leave $10,000, $20,000 or even close to $40,000 in the escrow account, and when the new pastor arrived the account showed 0 - zero. That is a fact and Vic Johanson asked RWD to his face when the $10,000 would be restored to the church in Fairbanks Alaska and to the best of my recollection RWDs response to Vic was; "When the time is right". Am I right Vic? Well the time was right the minute the new pastor took over at the same location and that is the way I see it; period. The accounts never should have been zeroed from the start and no excuse or justification that the NTCC could possibly give is acceptable. It's flat out crookery.

Now I know that the NTCC will give the example of how they took the escrow money from the church down in New Orleans when the hurricane hit, and let the pastor use it to help get a new church started. I wonder how much money the NTCC received from the insurance company for the church building that was probably rendered a total loss because of the hurricane? The escrow money was probably a drop in the bucket in comparison to what the NTCC received from property insurance. The NTCC always wants to be able to say how great they were when they do one thing that is right, like that makes up for all the stuff that they do which is wrong. No matter what the case, that occurrence still doesn't justify why the NTCC has cleared out so many other escrow accounts and left zero balances for the incoming pastors.

Have you ever thought it to be strange why NTCC pastors aren't supposed to discuss financial matters with each other when they replace each other? Because the NTCC doesn't want the incoming NTCC pastor to know how much money was left by the person he replaced? Why do NTCC pastors have to essentially pay rent on a building that the NTCC corporation has already purchased in full? Can you imagine how much escrow money some of these churches accumulate over the years? Tens and hundreds of thousands so why in the world would the same church have to pay rent on a building that was purchased for church? I will tell you why. Because it is just another part of RWDs money making scheme. Just like his rental houses in Graham that you have to give him cash for when you make your payment? RWD and the NTCC has more money coming in from more angles than you can even imagine. The NTCC has the money coming in that you pay to attend a non-accredited school, where the transcript that you receive says right on it that the school is worth NOTHING if you ever decide to leave the NTCC, and frankly it is worth nothing if you are still in the NTCC.

Folks RWD, Olson, Defrancesco, and Kekel have you guys so duped that it is unbelievable. You don't have to worry about true stewardship if you are in the NTCC unless you are one of a select few. You don't have to worry about being stewards of the real money because RWD, Kekel, Defrancesco, and Olson have that taken care of, and you have no choice but to let them take care of it the minute you open one of their sorry escrow accounts, which is set up to only allow them to withdraw the money.

Jeff

People On This Blog Have NEVER Threatened RW Davis

Thread #35 There was a report recently, that RW Davis said in a church service that people from the blog were threatening his life. For the record, this is a complete lie. Nobody has EVER threatened Davis from this site or any other blog that I know of. Jeff has stated on a comment that we don't wish harm on the ntcc leaders. We DO wish they would go away and stop ruining people's lives, but we do not wish harm on them or their families. I consider this accusation very serious, and want to head it off.

As I've stated before, I believe Davis is a textbook narcissist-- and this allegation doesn't surprise me one bit. He has to create a false crisis to make it look like the devil is fighting him, because he has falsely led everyone to believe he is a man of God-- which his actions show he is not. A REAL man of God does not harm people and intentionally split up marriages. Also, a sign of a cult is that they feel they are always under persecution, when in reality their own abusive and manipulative ways cause the so-called persecution.

Do not believe this lie-- nobody has threatened Davis or anyone else!

Life After The NTCC And NTCC Friendships

Thread #34

*****************I have significantly changed the introduction to this thread. If you don't mind, please read it again because I have added some new points. I did a very poor job writing this earlier because I was in a hurry to leave for work. I've edited it quite a bit in the hopes of making it better while getting my point across more effectively. ******************

I was sitting here trying to figure out if there was anything that I miss about the NTCC? I always heard folks talk about the fellowship and how great it was. I didn't develop any better friends while I was in the NTCC than I had before the NTCC or after. I also know folks now, who's friendships are not contingent upon me staying in the same church that they do. Not all NTCC folks are like that, but the majority are, and the ones who aren't, would be pushed into being the same way if the Leadership in Graham knew they existed.

Secondly I would like to define the word "fellowshipping" as "socializing" because that is essentially what it is. I think the main reason that many folks perceived that the socializing was so good in the NTCC, was because for what ever reason they didn't have a very good social life prior to life in the NTCC. Then suddenly they found themselves in 5 services a week spending more time socializing before and after service then they ever had before they were with the NTCC. Knowing the way the NTCC operates I suspect that these new converts didn't even realize that their social life was probably no better than it was before they were with NTCC. They were tricked into thinking their social life was better by folks who were TAUGHT to act friendly, but in actuality could really care less about you. There were a few exceptions of course but not many.

Here is proof. First; how many so called NTCC friends have forsaken you because you decided to leave THEIR church? You call that a real friend? How many NTCC people, that you considered yourself to be good friends with throughout the years, are you even in touch with any longer. I suspect not many. I'm not talking about forums or blogging either. Even if you are still friends, you no doubt have all moved to different places, and you essentially have little or no contact with them at all with few exceptions. Am I right?

Millions of people who are not in the NTCC not only have a good social life, but any wise person realizes that friendships more often than not, are very short lived in life anyway. So basically the point that I'm making is what's the big deal about socializing which is essentially the same as fellowshipping? I do know it is important, but I would rather not have a friend at all, than have a fake NTCC friend, who thinks you have suddenly become the enemy as soon as you decide to leave THEIR church. Whats important is your family, because when all is said and done, they are generally the ones who will be there for you anyway. NTCC folks surely have proven they won't be there for you, even if you are interested in continuing to attend THEIR church.

RWD, Johnson, Kinson, and Kekel have figured this lesson out a long time ago, and that is why they all take care of each other and they don't take care of you. That is why they have big fat houses and drive nice cars and put Grant through the nicest schools while you go without. Word to the wise: Don't ever turn your back on your family or let the NTCC persuade you to do so, because for the most part, unless they have been brainwashed by the NTCC, your family will be there for you when everyone else has forsaken you.

Jeff

Fort Riley and Junction City Kansas. Home Of Yet Another Abusive, Mind Controlling, New Testament Christian Church

Thread #33 There has recently been a rash of disgruntled, formerly abused exNTCC members posting on this blog, who were all attending service at the same NTCC in Junction City Kansas. A U.S. Army installation named Fort Riley, is also located in Junction City Kansas. The NTCC deliberately goes after young GI's because the young GI's are not only away from their family but they have also learned to follow orders which makes them an easy target. The NTCC also understands that young GI's have steady income which makes them a very attractive, easy target; and the NTCC attempts to bleed them quite successfully for every dime the church can possibly get. I know this to be a fact because this is what NTCC pastors teach, and it comes directly from RWD.

One of the Junction City folks who left the NTCC wrote this:

"After struggling off and on for 3 years with the manipulative mind games I LEFT!! I always knew deep down something wasn't right. To this day I can't explain in words the emotional destruction NTCC caused me as a new christian. I'm glad to be OUT!!!"

SFC Johnson was also with the NTCC in Junction City Kansas. He has posted extensively on this blog and he's told countless stories of all the bad experiences that he endured while with the NTCC, so consequently he left the NTCC also. Another person has also posted some alarming info about the Junction City NTCC on this blog.

It sounds like Junction City has been the breading place of some seriously abusive NTCC pastors but what's new? So is just about every other city who's soil an NTCC pastor has placed his feet on. NTCC pastors are taught to be abusive and that is not only true but it is the only logical explanation that would explain why as many people complain about the existence so many unruly NTCC ministers.

If you have specific stories about life in the Junction City NTCC feel free to post them. Obviously everyone can feel at liberty to reply or chime in as they see fit.

Jeff

The NTCC Is A Destructive, Abusive Cult Group, That Messes Up the Lives Of Many People.

Thread #32 A person who posts on this blog, who goes by the screen name "t", wrote this statement on a previous thread and I thought it was important that I highlight his statement while posting my response. The reason I am highlighting his statement is because there is much validity to what he has written. However I want folks to know my feelings which I CLEARLY showed in my response.

I want to use this blog in any way possible, to clearly show current NTCC members, that they are a part of a seriously messed up, abusive organization, and they need to leave it. To do that we must prove beyond any reasonable doubt that the NTCC is as messed up as many of us say it is!!! How do we prove that in the most effective manner? By writing of our own personally experiences, which will clearly illustrate, that there is VALIDITY to the blanket statements we make, which assaults the NTCCs credibility. You can't just say the NTCC has messed you up or abused you. You have to prove it by writing about exactly WHAT IT WAS THAT THE NTCC DID TO YOU that messed you up or was considered abuse, or double standards. If the NTCC never did anything to you that you consider bad you may be on the wrong blog with few exceptions. Now without further ado here is the statement made by "t" and my response.

T said...

"I think this blog is beginning to sound to much like a psyco-therapy support group.
While that is needed and can bring healing if its practiced in a biblical manner, it is not really the purpose of the blog"

Jeffs response...

T: I understand your point and I also understand why you feel that way. Whats interesting is that some of these people ARE actually telling stories that expose the NTCC in the process.

One lady spoke of how an NTCC minister said it was her fault because she had been sexually and physically assaulted. Others have talked about various different kinds of abuse that they received at the hands of an NTCC pastor.

However T; you are absolutely right when you say that the purpose of this blog is to expose the NTCC, and the title of the blog is "True Stories Of Life In The New Testament Christian Church." Without doubt, my ultimate goal for this blog is to see people write of their own personal experiences while "IN" the NTCC that expose the NTCC for what it truly is. If people will do this, it will not only help people who have left the NTCC, but it will help people to leave who are already in the NTCC or people who are thinking of entering the NTCC.

The NTCC is a destructive cult that PROMOTES and practices psychological abuse and manipulation, double standards, false doctrine that can't be validated by the bible, hypocrisy, and a greedy money driven agenda that for the most part only benefits the few elite because of the practice of NEPOTISM. I.E. Kekel, RWD, Kinson, Ashmore, Johnson and a few others.

Having said that, there were and are many people who have been mentally messed up by the NTCC. Of that I am certain. The NTCC as a group remains TOTALLY uncompassionate while lacking COMMON decency. Because they display these characteristics, very few NTCC pastors show any true TANGIBLE love for anyone.

So when I read these stories I feel compassion for these people, and I figure that if this blog can be used to help heal some of these folks than I am all for it. I am no Psychologist, Psychotherapist, or Psychiatrist however I do know for sure that it helps if you can talk to someone who has gone through the same thing that you have. Around the time that I left the NTCC it helped me a lot when I talked to people that went through the same kind of garbage that I experienced. I didn't have a psychological problem, but it did confirm in my mind that I wasn't the only one who knew that the NTCC is FULL, FULL, FULL of a bunch of insensitive, abusive jerks, who have no business in the ministry or any other leadership position for that matter.

Jeff