An extremely crafty computer guru has invaded this blog. Who ever it is seems to know quite a bit about computers and web hosting. The individual is probably someone who the NTCC has paid or possibly someone in the NTCC who is quite educated on computers, networking, web hosting and so on. Needless to say this individual has found ways to disrupt this blog and does so on a daily basis.
As a result I have no other alternative but to go back to comment moderation so I can more effectively block the individuals sorry infected messages. It is amazing what levels NTCC sympathizers and flunkies will stoop to in order to continue their crooked agenda. I will post your comments in a timely fashion. The recent comments section is down and I've yet to figure out how to resolve the problem. The problem occurred when I clicked on the crooks comment to find out what thread it was a part of. I'm pretty crafty at computers myself but this crook is craftier.
This blog will remain as a testament to the NTCCs ability to change its color like a chameleon, while having made the lives of it's members and ministers miserable for years. Thanks NTCC for all the memories.
Above is a picture of me,
Jeff
It is clear that I can't simply leave this as a totally open blog any longer. The other option is to give regular bloggers access so they can post at anytime? What do you think CM?
ReplyDeleteThat does sound like a great idea Jeff. Seems like ntcc fanatics(wacko's) want to sabatoge your blog. To try and promote ntcc. We DO NOT WANT ANY PROMOTING OF NTCC,AT ALL!
Another idea,could get a co-moderator. When your not able to be there. The other moderator can be there to keep things in check.
CM
CM: Are you interested? Give me a call tomorrow. Tonight is a little too late cause my family is trying to sleep. I would like to discuss different options with you. Thanks for your prompt response.
ReplyDeleteJeff
Seems to me that you are a little too effective for nttc.
ReplyDeleteI guess the going on and on about things that concern nttc is getting to some.
I noticed that some of the regulars have stopped posting and some have left altogether because to them is the same thing on and on, but this is what this blog is about. I don't know about pdq and johnson, but this is what it is all about, repetition, maybe somebody will get it and in the mean time I hope you will continue on Mr. Chief.
blovd
I don't know what evidence that you have for what you are saying, But what will happen is that the fellowship will now play the part of Being "Persecuted for Righteousness sake" and are now will to face Martyrdom without even so much as a blink.
ReplyDeleteJust don't give them any ammunition.
I know that since I clicked on the crooks comment in the "recent comments" section the recent comment section has been gone and I can not get it back no matter what method I use. I also know that last night I had a hard time deleting the crooks comment and I hadn't experienced that occurrence before and as a result I had to figure out a totally different method than what had always worked previously. This person is crafty with the computer; I can assure you. Every night the crook tries to post a comment in a foreign language and it frequently has garbage intermingled written in English.
ReplyDeleteWho ever this person is just won't quit. They tried the same stuff once again this evening. I've tried over and over and I can not get the recent comments section to function no matter what method I try? You go figure? That is the evidence that I have which seems to me to be substantial enough. I've learned that this person has been trying this stuff for months. Deliberately doing stuff to disrupt this blog. It is flat out crooked.
Jeff
Nicole made a comment in thread #52. Being that I can't get recent comments back and working, I will have to post info on where to find recent comments as I go. I will get my thread numbering system back and running and caught back up. Oh well. I've been fighting the NTCC for a long time and I'm not tired yet.
ReplyDeleteJeff
blovd, I'm still around. I just have a way busy life. I have been working overtime the last 3 weeks and going to school full time which is leaving me with very little free time. Right now everyone is asleep here at home and I luckily did not and do not have to work today.
ReplyDeleteJeff, Sorry you had to moderate the blog again. I would help you out with the moderation aspect if I had the time (I know how to use blogger pretty well), but I don't. I'm actually in the process of making a photo video for the Volunteer Christmas Party for those of us who are involved in the church I attend in some way. So even on my day off I am swamped. But hey! It's fun! I get 2 weeks of freedom from work and school for Christmas vaca! WOOT!
God bless,
Angie
Hey Angie. Wow, that kind of time off is pretty nice. I'm envious. Oh no, I guess I just sinned. I better not tell an NTCC pastor or he might come on here an blast me. Ha, ha.
ReplyDeleteEnjoy your vacation,
Jeff
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteCall Vic for a solution.
AXP
Hi Jeff,
ReplyDeleteI just wanted to tell you that I spent about 8 years in ntcc. I met pastors such as Grandaw, Spencer, Reed, Purdue, Devonshire, one whose name sounds like La Roo (don't know how to spell it) and many helpers and then of course all of the people in Graham.
I attended several years of the "seminary" and after completing the courses I could not even bring myself to go to the graduation.
The one thing I do know is that the only way I got answers to what in the world was going on, right after I left, was that I walked to the South Hill library in Puyallup and got on the library computer and started searching.
For years ntcc has been successful at getting people to shut up and go away.
So I am thankful for anyone who takes the time and effort and headache to put information and support out there for others.
Nicole,
ReplyDeleteI didn't know you used to attend the JC church. Me too. From 2001-2004. The Reeds had just left so I never got to meet them.
I never had any problems with the Devonshires. I enjoyed them. :)
~ Dawn
Nicole said...
ReplyDeleteSo I am thankful for anyone who takes the time and effort and headache to put information and support out there for others.
Jeff said...
I appreciate that which is exactly why I plan to keep this blog going. People need to know the real story about the NTCC. Now what they decide to do with that information is totally up to them and I've done my part. I have a good friend who just refuses to hear anything negative about the NTCC. This guy is a great guy but the NTCC has him thoroughly brainwashed. He makes up excuses for everything crooked about the NTCC.
The funny thing about it is that we get along. I let him live his life and he lets me live mine. As long as he doesn't try to cram the NTCC garbage down my throat and I don't say negative things about the NTCC, we have no problems. He is a good dude however he is thoroughly brainwashed. I would have no problem with him what so ever if it weren't for the fact that I know he is trying to bring folks to the NTCC.
Well guess what? Every time I find out that he has invited someone that I know to the NTCC, I tell that person just how crooked the NTCC really is. When I finish with them I seriously doubt that they will ever attend and if they do, the preacher will quite rapidly confirm what it is that I've said all along. The NTCC is very good at that. NTCC pastors generally can't control themselves. Ha, ha.
Jeff
Many couples and friends are opposites and maybe that's what makes the world turn :)
ReplyDeleteIt's funny how you said ntcc pastors usually can't control themselves. I once saw Reed slam the microphone down on the ground in the middle of a service because few people showed up and he knew Davis wouldn't be pleased with his report that week.
I moved to JC from another state to marry my husband. When I got there he of course worked all day and then by Reed's rules I wasn't allowed to sit by him in services or at the serviceman's home or go soul winning with him. A female visitor who was looking for a man one time told me she couldn't tell who was single, married, or married to who. Devonshire liberated the women from the kitchen when he arrived, but he had serious issues too.
To no surprise Reed picked up on the fact I was not happy with this and hooped and hollered at me in a church service. That I was trying to hinder my husband's service to God. How? My rolling of the eyes and the sighing? I don't know.
When another married female in the church invited several single males from the base and they showed up just to see her, what was Reed's reaction? Very pleased and happy. Did he blast her from the pulpit for flirting with a bunch of men? No. Reed would have numbers to put on his report to impress the man Davis he was/is so obsessed with.
So it was a twisted place and I had to prove just how stubborn I can really be.
People tell me they want just a yes or no answer, but too bad, they're going to get my opinion too.
By the way, this is the first year my son really understands Christmas so we took him to the mall today to see Santa. The look of joy on his face was priceless.
Nicole said...
ReplyDeleteI moved to JC from another state to marry my husband. When I got there he of course worked all day and then by Reed's rules I wasn't allowed to sit by him in services or at the serviceman's home or go soul winning with him.
Jeff said...
That is a bunch of pure NTCC garbage. It's obvious that Reed was yet another one of NTCCs control mongers. How in the world do these clowns get the idea that it is spiritual to physically separate husbands and wives? They don't even know why they've come up with that stupidity other than that RWD and his flunkies had taught it. It's ridiculous and just another example of the NTCC acting exactly like a cult which is exactly what they are.
Boy would I now love to hear a control monger NTCC preacher tell me that I couldn't sit next to my wife in church! I would tell him that he could take that plan and stick it up his forth point of contact which in case everyone hasn't figured it out is his butt.
Mayers wanted me and my wife to ride in different vehicles to church and I got tired of that quick so I called him and let him know that we would be taking "one" vehicle to church and I would be riding with my family. He didn't like that at all. Oh well. I wound up leaving his church and in the end ultimately leaving the NTCC for good. It's obvious that control monger stuff is taught at Graham either by word, by example or both.
Jeff
Nicole said: " I wasn't allowed to sit by me husband in church....."
ReplyDeleteThat statement brought back some memories of how when I first got married in the servicemen's home the pastor there told me and my husband to not show affection in front of the soldiers because this would put them in a battle. I would call my husband "brother"
in front of people, it was awful.
Maybe the pastor thought that my husband and I were too frisky with each other since we had just gotten married, but I remember being put under such a heavy burden of not touching or giving my husband a peck in his cheek, or just acting normal, like husband and wife. I hated to sit apart from him.
It was always such a weird thing to see that the graham church was still doing this, men in one side and women on the other.
The funny thing was when the graduations came and all these parents came for this special day and of course some would sit wherever they wanted but it was kind of funny to see the faces of some of the members finding that they were going to be sitting next to a female, they would move away, and the outsiders would just looked surprised, like "huh? what did I do?"
blovd
"When I got there he of course worked all day and then by Reed's rules I wasn't allowed to sit by him in services or at the serviceman's home or go soul winning with him."
ReplyDeleteI remember that Nicole. There is little tolerance for newlyweds!
Nicole,
ReplyDeleteIf you are who you I think you are, you and your husband are two wonderful people. I am sooooo glad you two are gone and now have a life! Have a happy (normal) Christmas.
AXP (another ex-preacher)
an old friend....
Jeff -
ReplyDeleteHave you thought about switching to wordpress? I know they have more controls available liking forcing people who want to leave a comment to register with Word Press. Plus I think they have a better way of tracking IP address too. You certainly wouldn't get the anonymous comments you do now, but it might help with the crazies
Kate
Dawn: You were fortunate to have no problems with Devonshire. He has not always been the most stellar individual to say the least.
ReplyDeleteI figured out a fix for recent comments. They're back.
ReplyDeleteKate said...
ReplyDeleteHave you thought about switching to wordpress?
Jeff said...
I actually have virtually no experience with wordpress. For that matter I didn't even know that it existed. Do you know if it can be used as an addition or interface to this google blog? The reason I asked is because I wouldn't want to create a whole new blog because at this point there is a whole lot of good information right here on this one.
From what I saw concerning wordpress; it does seem to have some very decent features and functions. I prefer to keep an open forum however because of some trolls and crooks, I've been forced to moderate this blog. I don't mind folks coming on here with differing opinions but I do mind folks who come on here simply to infect of disrupt this blog. The problem is if I set up the blog in such a manner that results in it becoming too difficult or complicated just to post a message, than folks will simply stop and frankly I wouldn't blame them.
That is why I stay on top of this moderation business. This way people learn to trust that if they take the time to write a message on this blog; I will take the time to post it. I only delete and reject the spam and troll posts, and lately I've been getting at least one each day. Garbage dealing with sex and porn and infected messages that cause problems when clicked on. Each day I post all other messages waiting in the queue. Plenty of people who are in the NTCC have posted messages on this blog. I have no problem with that but I do have a problem with people who are Trolls.
This is a definition that I found for a Troll: "A troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."
I don't want that stuff on this blog and I've regularly rejected such comments. Kate, I appreciate your suggestion and I'm currently looking into wordpress. I simply, (prior to a little a few minutes ago) knew nothing about it, and I still know little.
Jeff
I just saw Dawn's and blovd and the other's comments, thnx!
ReplyDeleteIn my husband's defense, Jeff, he had been in the org much much longer than me, he had extensive relationships and friends, he had faith in God and didn't want to let people down. He was a helper and told me he didn't have the power to change situations. We all know what happens to people who complain in ntcc.
Also we were supposed to get married and immediately move to Graham, but my son's birth dad got a lawyer and sued to temporarily prevent me from moving to Washington.
We were delayed for a full year and I can assure you my husband was very conflicted about how to deal with Reed and still stay in an org we thought was still okay at the time.
A year after our marriage the Reeds were told to head back to Graham. The Devonshire's came and it was the first time I was ever allowed to go soul winning with him.
I have never been in the military, I had never lived in Kansas, I didn't know anybody there but my husband and it was a shock to the system when I wasn't allowed to be anywhere with him.
I loved him very much (still do, our 10 year anniversary is coming up!!!) and moved there to be with him, not to go to an army base and flirt with guys to pump up Reeds church numbers.
Thanks for letting me explain and I hope you find solutions to keep your blog going Jeff.
I've always wanted to say... I do not regret for an instant so many of the people I met in ntcc and wish I only could have met them in another group or organization where our talents and energy and smarts could have gone to a better cause.
We were under 7 different pastors in 5 years. All servicemen's works. I couldn't sit with my spouse most of the time but after Pop came through once and said it was stupid the spouses sat together from then on. You could also sit with a person of the opposite sex if you brought them. While in Graham I always sat with my spouse. There was alot of division but all the years we were in Graham I never heard that you couldn't or shouldn't sit with your spouse or whoever you brought. Saying that, I'm not supporting NTCC, just saying what I experienced. I'm so glad to be out! As a family we are so much closer now that all the pressure is off. Thank God for working in my spouse's life to see the truth and to move on.
ReplyDeleteI've always wanted to say... I do not regret for an instant so many of the people I met in ntcc and wish I only could have met them in another group or organization where our talents and energy and smarts could have gone to a better cause.
ReplyDeleteNicole I need to repeat this statement. It is SOO true! I made so many awesome friends that feel like family. I miss them dearly. I always tell folks if there thinking of leaving. God will use you mightier then you could ever imagine. Ntcc sucks the energy,passion,drive that we have to reach lost souls. Burns us out,and tosses us out in the trash. Moves onto the next Sucker!
CM
I don't know if Reed is still in TX, but this is how he used to operate:
ReplyDeleteReed used the pulpit as a way to punish or reward people. I can count on one hand the number of times he allowed my husband, who was the only associate pastor there, to preach. He often let the brothers in the home preach. (Which was a nice relief to me!)One military couple quickly became faithful and donated $1000 to the building of the new church. Reed was once again irritated at my husband so he had this man who made that big offering and who had been attending maybe a couple of months preach that evening. It was like, "look at how much more spiritual they are than you". My husband just thought it was comical and was ticking off the days until we could move.
Davis came through JC quite often while we were there. Every time word would get back all these people were in the pulpit and Reed would get rebuked for it.
But Reed just learned it from Davis. In Graham, Davis taught he would not come visit your church unless you bought his plane ticket, had the sisters clean the hotel room twice, buy all of his favorite foods, and have a new suit hanging in the closet.
Having grown up in a catholic church where they actually care about the poor and the homeless and foster children, I never caught on to the whole serviceman's home atmosphere where it revolved around doing work for the pastor and his wife and trying to impress them.
Dawn,
ReplyDeleteYou must have joined the JC church just after we left. The leaders of ntcc are notorious for disprespecting marriages and even breaking them up. This was made most apparent with Davis' behavior with the Devonshires, all of which I witnessed first hand after just getting married myself.
When the Devonshires arrived in JC, it was public knowledge they had been previously separated and were just getting back together. Davis did not have many pastors to take over serviceman's work. So that made Devonshire very valuable to him.
However Sis Devonshire had made the heinous decision she wanted a baby. That would take Rev Devonshire out of the serviceman's home rotation. So I personally watched Davis make a full attack on Sis Devonshire and even their marriage.
I was sitting in the restuarant with all of the leaders and the Devonshires and my husband, and let's put it this way... if I had to go through the treatment Sis Devonshire received at that restaurant, I would have run out of the door in tears. But I understood why she sat and took it. She was fighting for her marriage, just like a lot of people. I was only with the Devonshires a few weeks, but Sis was very kind and down to earth and I really liked her.
I was in the conference when Davis paraded Devonshire to all of the women giving him the green light to divorce and remarry if his wife refused to give up the desire to have a baby. I don't know what I would have done if Davis displayed my husband to all the women and encouraged him to divorce. It would have been on like donkey kong!
When I left and started searching on the internet, I found the Devonshires had ended up in a missionary work and were blogging from overseas. And, of all things, he was writing about his new child that was to be born.
I wrote Devonshire and told him who I was and congratulated him on the new baby (no thanks to Davis!) I was just glad to see they were still married!
Funny though he didn't post my comment - go figure.
Nicole, those are some startling testimonies. Your statements show the true character of RWD and flunky Mr. Reed. I knew Reed years ago before he ever left to attend the NTCCs school of rules otherwise known as the Bible college. He really turned into a jerk and it's sad because he used to be a good dude.
ReplyDeleteI hope your testimonies help current NTCC folks to wake up and really understand the true character of RWD and his henchmen. Your presents on this blog is extremely valuable and I appreciate your testimonies. People need to read the real story about the NTCC if they are ever going to escape the NTCCs clutches.
Jeff
Nicole,
ReplyDeleteI have said many time in blogs that the leaders in ntcc are not Christians, because they don't ACT like Christians. If anyone in ntcc bothers to read the Bible anymore, you will see that their life and actions don't add up to what is taught in there.
I wish I could tell you who I am, but I have decided to publish anonymously. Jeff knows who I am. Right before you left Washington I met you and your husband at a restaurant, so you can probably put 2 + 2 together. You're very intelligent. Anyway, life has been GREAT since leaving ntcc, and we are very happy. Tell your husband I said hi.
AXP
We were under Rev. Reed and I remember him throwing down the microphone quite often because his throat was messed up. (From all his screaming, oh excuse me, preaching.) One time he broke the mic. The Reeds are in Guam now. I also remember the conference where Rev. Devonshire was put up on the block to be sold to the best woman. It was sick! Thank God we are out!
ReplyDeleteNever Harm
"In Graham, Davis taught he would not come visit your church unless you bought his plane ticket, had the sisters clean the hotel room twice, buy all of his favorite foods, and have a new suit hanging in the closet."
ReplyDeleteWow what Diva like behavior!
I remember in JC when an Overseer and his wife came through(can't remember their name off the top of my head). The sisters wanted to do an activity with the Overseer's wife, but the wife didn't have any money. I remember being shocked, because I thought they were paid some kind of salary. Anyways the sisters pooled their money together.
Sad!
One of two possibilities. First possibility was that she had (access) to money that either she or her husband wasn't willing to spend. NTCC leaders like to use semantics i.e. by saying they didn't have any money meaning they had no sizable amount of (cash) on them but plenty in the bank.
ReplyDeleteSecond possibility is that they really didn't have (any) access to money (which is very unlikely). If the second option was actually the case that is quite sad being that Kekel and RWD are both loaded. No matter which option was the case it's just another example of NTCC leaders always being willing to spend church folks money but not their own because I'm sure this leader had some money. It's nothing but a big scam that resulted in you sisters deciding to pool money together to support someone that either was, or should have been a whole lot more well off than the rest of you.
Jeff
The overseers are paid a monthly salary. They use to get their motorhome paid for also. Rev. Davis said at a conference that the org. would no longer pay for the motorhomes because of what the Dennis' did.(telling everyone that they had no money, etc) I don't know for sure if the org. really did stop paying for the motorhomes or not. The overseers or whoever preaches in your church gets the offering while they are there but only up to $500 a week. At least that is how it was a couple of years ago.
ReplyDeleteWhile Denis was in Columbus and still with the NTCC, he told us that RWD, (the org) had stopped paying for his RV. For the record, RWD and or the board had made a decision to restrict RV privileges way before Denis ever instituted the split. Denis was very unhappy about the RV restrictions and he expressed his unhappiness openly in front of pastor Hunt and the folks in fellowship one evening directly after church. My recollection is quite vivid. I thought it was kind of strange at the time that Denis would "openly" express dissatisfaction with RWD and the Org in front of everyone in fellowship.
ReplyDeleteWhat was just as strange is that pastor Hunt was kind of a willing participant / observer in the whole conversation. I remember making some remarks that very evening (in front of Denis) concerning Denis's grievances with RWD and the Org. Denis was trying to justify the cost of having an RV vs having to pay for a Motel room. I personally thought a motel was less expensive in comparison to "all" the expenses surrounding driving an RV and I stated that. Of course Denis disagreed.
Hunt was a nice guy and all but he was weak concerning that whole Denis issue. He stood idly by as a willful observer while Denis thoroughly double crossed the org. I know why he stood idly by doing nothing. Because he was worried about the Mafia style NTCC leaders blacklisted him if he decided to blow the whistle on Denis. The org had Hunt in such fear that he didn't dare say anything and I know this is a fact because not only was I in his church but he essentially said the same thing. He was truly worried about speaking out against an overseer. That is how it works in a typical communist totalitarian organization which is exactly what the NTCC is.
I wasn't afraid then to speak out against some of the NTCC crooks then and I'm certainly not afraid now, and I've been doing so for years and I'm not tired yet. Are you tired, NO, I'm not tired yet.
Jeff
I remember being in Hawaii and R'Dub wanting us to pay for his Air Fare from St. Louis. There were only a handful of us and the round fare ticket was $900.00. Back in 1980 and only making about 450-500 dollars a Month that was alot of money. That was also including his wife but still that was alot of money. We did it on 3 different occasions. 2 times in 1980, and Once in 1981 when Pastor Ashmore came with him. I remember they left in a hurry and after only 1 or 2 days. A couple of Months later he came back on his own dime. I suppose it was because he had to leave in a hurry and felt like he didn't give us out "Moneys" worth.
ReplyDeleteno one in ntcc really wants you to connect and stay connected with God. They rather you do what they want you to do. I had a very close relationship with God before I let the ntcc pastors influence me. Though I was obeying them as unto the Lord, their devil-influenced advice (whether they realize it or not) didn't help bring me closer to God at all, it only drew me further away.
ReplyDeleteToday is the day I will begin to do as I did in the beginning and as all Christians should and must do. God first, prayer in the understanding and in the spirit. Doing what Jesus wants me to do and I will serve Him and never any man any longer.
i am no longer afraid of ntcc. as they are not stronger than God though they influcence others to make them think NTCC is greater than God.
God is greater than those in ntcc and sees their hypocrisy.
paint your false pictures of yourselves hypocrites.
change and God will save you.
Remain the same and He will judge you.
douglas hardy
Douglas,
ReplyDeleteI was thinking about what you said having a better relationship with God before you went to NTCC. I realized my time in NTCC made me a lazy Christian. The way to heaven was broken down into a perfect formula, no real need to study the Bible for yourself.Just pay your tithe and change the way you dress. Depending on what kind of day the Pastor was having determined whether you were saved or not. The Pastor told what scripture meant, and if you did not agree your walk with God was less than.
Now I am challenged by God's Word, and learn something new everyday.
What a blessing it is to be obedient, without worrying about constant chastisement!
Anon!
Nicole,
ReplyDeleteI began attending NTCC in July of 2001.
You know, I recall sitting around the fellowship table and Sis. Devonshire talking about how much he loved children and wanted some many times.
It's a normal thing for a woman to want children.
Long before there was a church, GOD instituted the family unit and that included children *gasp*.
Having and raising children are "being about the Father's business". It's raising the next generation for the glory of God.
I hope the Devonshires will have another child soon as I know she is getting up there in age where more risks are likely.
Rev. Davis and his shadows may not like children, but the Bible tells us 'blessed is the man who has his quiver full'.
Children are gifts that our Father gives us for a little while to enjoy. They are not burdens or annoyances.
A husband and wife shouldn't hold back their family desires because of some preacher and his messed up ideals.
I wasn't at the conference where Rev. Devonshire was forced to stand up and get gawked at.
That poor guy!!! I would have stood up and walked out had that happen to me.
Nicole, did you stop attending NTCC after the Devonshires or who else did you have as ministers?
For me, it was the Devonshires and Bellamys in JC...then the Devonshires left and it was the Gandy's and Bellamys.
I moved and it was the Ramierz's.
Moved again, and it was the Bellamys. :) The Bellamy's are cool. I like them. :)
When I moved this last time, I visited the church in town just for the heck of it and the Thorps were there (they aren't there anymore).
Life is good. :)
After leaving ntcc I was amazed at how Close I was becoming to God. MY WALK was just that MY WALK! I remember rw davis telling us not to rely on our concious. It could not always be reliable. Instead listen to the leaders. Those leaders that supposedly cared for us!
ReplyDeleteOnce we left ntcc. I had to become a Free Moral Agent. I had to rely on the Holy Spirit for guidance. When I needed help,I went to Jesus.
I was a robot in ntcc. I let them make my decisions,ALL my decisions!
They would speak about this Reality in Jesus Christ. That was a HUGE battle for me. I NEVER felt like I had this reality in JC! Because I was spoon fed the Bible.
I came into ntcc with respect for minister's. Thinking they knew more then me. Not anymore! I used to have ministers up on a very respected pedalstle. It is not as high as it used to be.
Now it is really just ME and JESUS!
CM
Good to hear from Nicole and to corraborate to her story,
ReplyDeleteI am also a witness of the treatment of sister devonshire and how she stuck to her guns to save whatever life she had in ntcc.
I bet she didn't appreciate the things that happened to her but I guess love transcends all things to the point that you will put with garbage for a man. I guess!
blovd
Axp,
ReplyDeleteIntelligent? I'm thinking of a few blonde jokes right now. I'll tell my husband another x preacher said hi lol!
I have a love hate relationship with blogging and posting. I wrote quite a bit for the Pelfrey's and I go through almost manic periods of needing to write and then not writing anything for a long time. But there are all of these details, which I thought if I chipped in a few to this blog, may help someone think they aren't going crazy.
Isolation can be a very bad problem for women in ntcc, especially those in Graham or across the country who are separated from their relatives and families. Employment and volunteering outside of ntcc is strongly discouraged, along with college classes. The day can become for some the 4 walls, cleaning, recruiting for ntcc and services.
Men who work on the job talk to a variety of people and might have access to a work computer etc. When 9/11 happened my husband saw it on a tv at a worksite where he was installing shelving. I didn't see the buildings fall with my own two eyes until 2 days later walking past electronics in Fred Meyer.
I saw a few mentions of Denis. I only met him breifly while in Jc. His RV broke down there hee hee. Davis appointed Denis with the task of dealing with our legal issues of moving to Washington state. But Denis never talked to us once or helped us with anything.
I got a part time job at a food joint to get out of the house and meet some people. But in entry level unfortunatley many have drug and alcohol problems. I love my friends there, but there is only so much we have in common. Many go to AA or NA. I've since learned they have their own lingo and frequent meetings and every one has a title or position. And recruiting is huge. Every time a new person shows up, there's 3 or 4 people trying to get them to NA. I teased them all they are in a cult.
So anyways I'll wrap this up... Tiger just changed his name to Cheetah... and Davis should change his name too.
Dawn,
ReplyDeleteWe left Jc in May 2001, exactly a year since we had arrived. From there we moved to Graham and witnessed all the craziness there for the next 6 years.
I actually ended up with Reed as a teacher when I first got there (how ironic). Reed was funny... he was the master at buying things and returning them. Sad though because ntcc really puts the crunch on the finances and I guess he felt better buying things and returning them then not buying things at all.
Hmmm... the Reeds are in Guam? Has ntcc been there before or is he the first one? I bet that was a fun move.
When we arrived in Graham maybe a month after the Reeds got there, we bumped into them at Walmart. He was trying to return a hunting knife he bought a year ago. My husband was like, oh geez, what a bad testimony to be that hard up for money.
My husband had pity on him though and actually helped talked the cashier into returning the knife. You can return anything at walmart!
I don't know about pdq and johnson, but this is what it is all about, repetition, maybe somebody will get it and in the mean time I hope you will continue on Mr. Chief.
ReplyDeleteblovd
This is Brother Johnson!
Greetings to all, Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and Happy Easter!
I am still alive. Just extremly busy with my job, as Jeff can understand.
I am going to enjoy my first real Winter Vacation since separated from NTCC. Just me, Young-mi and our three kids with NO NTCC interferance.
Now, back to my Sabbatical!!
Bro Johnson
I can understand why pdq and Bro Johnson would back away from this blogging. Certainly I see the need to continue and I also see benefits coming from repetition.
ReplyDeleteHaving said that I understand that some folks want to just move on. The problem is that it's hard to move on, and it's hard to get over the NTCC when your spending time on this blog or any other forum designed to expose the evils surrounding the NTCC.
I have no grievances what so ever with Bro J. or pdq. I appreciate all they've done to expose the NTCC. I just wish more folks would come forward. I regret that Factnet and Tracy's blog are all but disintegrated. They were such good sources of information. Factnet is still a good source however people loose interest when there is no one posting which has essentially become the case with Factnet. As everyone knows Tracy totally took down her blog which is a shame because so many people dedicated so much effort into building it.
blovd I appreciate you a great deal and believe me; I don't ever intend to take this blog down. The NTCC is one seriously crooked organization and folks need to know about it. This is my contribution.
Chief
When I came to ntcc, I was just a regular christian and never ever came into my mind about how not to do this or that or this was wrong and since I was always a happy go lucky kind of person, I begun to question everything to the point that we didn't even celebrate christmas with a tree like before.
ReplyDeleteThe ministers would shun at all this form of celebration and one of them said: "pastor davis doesn't put a tree" Well,we didn't put any either after that.
Suffice it to say that after many years when the overseers started having grandkids, they all showed pictures of their families enjoying christmas like regular people.
What a lesson I learned, but the thing is that I can't take back
the times that we were like pharisees and refusing to just have a little fun with the kids, all because we were under condemnation that putting a stupid tree was wrong.
Merry Christmas to all.
blovd
If anyone wants to email me, you can reach me at nicole.brownie@yahoo.com. I'm a stay at home mom again. My youngest is in a special preschool our school district provides for children with autism related issues. My oldest is in high school (omg!)
ReplyDeleteI hope everyone has a nice Christmas! :)
Already notified a HS friend of mine in Guam to stay away from ntcc. She is in the Navy. And for her to let her fellow Sailors and civilians to stay away from the ntcc church there in Quam!
ReplyDeleteCM
Merry Christmas to you blovd. I can relate and besides; what is worse? To try and convince your church member to divorce their spouse who doesn't want to be a part of the NTCC or is it worse to celebrate Christmas while putting up a tree and placing gifts underneath?
ReplyDeleteThe answer is quite obvious. It's wrong to suggest divorce just because a spouse wants a child and doesn't want to be a part of an abusive controlling church. I'd rather have 100 Christmas trees than parade someone in front of my church for all the women to look at because I don't like his wife. That is so sorry and RWD was a big fat jerk to do such a thing.
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night.
Jeff
CM said...
ReplyDeleteAlready notified a HS friend of mine in Guam to stay away from ntcc.
Jeff said...
Good for you CM. I regulatory do the same. These military personnel have a good thing going and don't need it destroyed by the NTCC. We all know what the NTCCs agenda is anyway. Get these young military personnel out the military and up to Graham Washington which is a waist of their life by getting a transcript that ain't worth squat.
I would rather have a square of used toilet paper than an NTCC grad certificate. At least the square of used toilet paper was soft to someones butt. All of the nonsense NTCC rules are anything but soft on the folks that attended the NTCCs school of rules otherwise known as the "seminary".
I would rather call it the "cemetery" because it it full of dead mens bones who are morally dead because they've thrown common decency and brotherly kindness out the window. The rules they've devised are quite sorry and extreme indeed. Cultism is a fitting word.
Jeff
There's just one more interesting story I saw while in Graham... One of my neighbors was from England. She somehow reconnected with her dad she hadn't seen since birth. He came to visit and I met him, he was very nice and overjoyed to be with his daughter again.
ReplyDeleteThis man I'm sure felt some sort of guilt one way or another for not seeing his daughter. He was really emotional and trying to make up for lost time.
The strange thing was Davis chose this man to use to try and start a church in England by one of our military bases. I thought, this man is vulnerable right now and would do anything for his daughter, why are they doing this?
They contacted a servicemember over there and sent the Pellicia's and tried to start this thing. I don't know if it is still there or not.
Mike Kekel has never done anything. He has taken over a few things, but never sacrificed the way Casey and so many others have been told to. Mike Kekel mentioned to us at least twice while I was in Graham that God called him to South America (was it Brazil?)... but get this... God's hand was always in his face preventing him from going.
Really??? So you have these God called, I'm in Goshen land on Mt Zion with angels visiting me Holy Ghost filled pastors called Kekel and Davis and they have to use this poor man who hasn't seen his daughter in 25 years.
I bumped into the Pellicias the day before they were leaving to England. We had just left the church and they were bragging about going to England. Gene claimed my husband changed his phone number. I told him absolutely not and told him the # again and told him to call him. He never did. The Malone's were nearby and he was only saying it to save face.
If you have ever read or seen "Catch me if you can" you will know sometimes people can get by with a professional look or wearing a suit, but it catches up to you after awhile.
"I would rather have a square of used toilet paper than an NTCC grad certificate. At least the square of used toilet paper was soft to someones butt."
ReplyDeleteAt least the square of used Toilet Paper was useful at one time. NTCC has made it clear that their "School" is not to be used for Credit of any kind if you do ty to apply to go to a "Real" School. And to think I agonized over the fact that I didn't go to their waste of time Bible School back in 1981 and wondered if I was in Gods will. I went round and round about that in my mind and it bothered me for about 6 Months after I got out of the Army. I was in the Fellowship for about 4 years tops. That's nothing when I hear abut the people who were in for 10-12 years and even longer and have nothing to show for it at the end of their journey. My Heart goes out to those people and I certainly understand their Anger and Bitterness and even outright Hatred for an organization that takes everything, Demands absolute obedience and gives nothing back in return but Heartache and Sorrow. Whenever a person is Betrayed Spiritually it does something to you inside. Many of us have had broken and shattered Childhoods and we can attribute that in many cases to the Depravity of Man in General. But, Many of us don't expect it on a spiritual level. I can have more mercy on my dad who was an Alcoholic and left me in a Foster home than I can for R'Dub and some of the Preachers that are of his Workmanship that he has turned into something not even human in th end. Devoid of Love, Mercy or any of the Fruits of the Spirit.
Mark said...
ReplyDeleteDevoid of Love, Mercy or any of the Fruits of the Spirit.
That's a mouthful and the absolute truth. I've always wondered where all the love goes after "your in."
Quite a comment by nicole.
ReplyDeleteIt is quite interesting that many of the people in the ladder of ntcc are those that followed rwd after his split from the church he was in.
I don't think he can really trust anybody else since these people he has surrounded with know the truth of why he left that church so he has to put these men in positions of leadership because then they would turn their back on him, I'm talking about olson,johnson,wright and ashmore. Pretty much these men are always "in" the board. The rest that are in now can pretty much come and go. it all depends how rwd feels about it and like he says: "if it seems good to the holy ghost" But the point that I was coming to was that as far as I know, any of these men that I mentioned have ever done "great works" for God. I mean, like going to a city and build and establish a church. Maybe I'm wrong but to my knoweledge these people have always just pastored here and there and suddenly now they are put as overseers telling the pastors "actually doing it," how to build a church? Like kekel telling everybody in conference how to soul-win, and how to bring people in, when he and his wife don't go out on saturdays soulwinning because they are in charge of the choir, and the singing. Can't anybody ask and realize the double standard here? Oh well, but what do I know?
blovd
That’s a mouthful and the absolute truth. I’ve always wondered where all the love goes after “your in.”
ReplyDeleteIf you want to really experience the Magic Disappearing Love, stop letting NTCC control your life. What love you ever thought they had for you will evaporate in a nanosecond should you decide to move on. People leave churches all the time, and the healthy and normal response is to respect their decisions and wish them well. That’s not the way it goes in the NTCC; they could probably teach the Amish or JWs a thing or two about shunning.
The quickest way to become an unperson to your presumptive NTCC friends is the make the conscious and informed decision to transcend their religious model. They avoid any mention of those who depart, causing them to quickly be forgotten. That is, unless there’s a juicy story of failure or calamity just too tempting not to exploit, in which case their deep-seated tendency toward schandenfreude compels them to exultantly report God’s wrath on the wretched infidel. And if no real scandal ensues, one can always be manufactured and spread via whispering campaign. Thus they insulate themselves from potential “infection” by “dangerous elements.”
Given that RW is a student of Machiavelli and an open admirer of his tactics, such behavior is understandable. Watch you back.
Hey Vic. Merry Christmas and I wish you and you're family the best. I know that you enjoyed your vacation and I'm glad that you had a good time. Take care.
ReplyDeleteJeff Collins
Jeff, we had a blast. That China trip was one of the best vacations I've ever had. Glad we're not in the borg anymore, so we now have the opportunity to do such things. Now I'm deciding where to go next!
ReplyDeleteHow about Iran? That would be a nice vacation spot, hey? Who knows? If the truth be known, you live in one of the premier vacations spots on earth. The great uncharted frontier. Alaska is a beautiful place.
ReplyDeleteEdmonton Alberta and specifically the West Edmonton mall is one of the funnest vacation spots that I've ever been. That is where I would like to take my family. Everything under one roof. Look it up on the internet if you don't already know about it. I went to Canadian Jump school at Edmonton Alberta Canada and spent all my time at the mall. Large indoor water park, amusement park, sea world and everything else you can possibly think of under one roof; "The West Edmonton Mall". It used to be the largest in the world and it may still be. They even have an indoor bungee jump, water slides and a wave machine. Just a little food for thought.
Glad you had a great time,
Jeff
Okay, I know this has nothing to do with any of the subjects being talked about, but ya'll remember that song "He's God"?
ReplyDeleteAny of you know who sings it originally and where I can find it?
I tried You Tube and all I got was some 11 year old boy from 1970 singing it at church...not exactly what I am looking for..lol.
Maybe nobody really recorded it and it's just a song picked up by Pentecostal churches....
Anywho, thought I'd ask...
:)
Something that came up today. A flash back!
ReplyDeleteAll the seperation that goes on in ntcc. First we seperate ourselve's from the 'sinful" worldly influence. Then ntcc works on us to seperate ourselves from our OWN family. And within the ranks of ntcc hierachy there is ALOT of seperation going on. The upper echelon so called leaders and wives's. Then you got the wannabee's and there wannabee wives. You got the one's trying to copy those groupies.
Then there was the group I was in. What ntcc considers the nobodies. We do not kiss up,try to get invited to Mike K. or Rw house. We do not spit shine Mike K. shoes,or mow his lawn for him. We try and keep a low [profile and stay out of the path of RW and Mike K,Fake Steele gaze!
Back to the seperation brainwashing that goes on. Why it makes it very difficult to leave ntcc. For those like myself was in upTEEn years. You have no contact with the REAL world. You know nothing of today's fashions,what folks are interested in,TV shows,ect. You can talk to folks about Church and God. But that is it. Nothing else in common with them. ISOLATED,CUT OFF from society!
Did Jesus EVER cut himself off from the people. Even when they were following him Everywhere. He took time for them. And not barracde himself in his own home like RW Davis has! He is afraid of the world!
First step away from the cult ladies and Gentlemen.Is to find something of interest to join,away from ntcc. A Moms club,VFW veterans group,a hobby. Something that ntcc would think is a waste of time. But you will start to make friends outside of ntcc. And guess what folks. they will not lead you down a path of SIN!!
CM
***Given that RW is a student of Machiavelli and an open admirer of his tactics, such behavior is understandable. Watch you back.****
ReplyDeleteYep....Something else that I have been thinking about is the fact that I've heard from other people (Not from him personally,or from behind the pulpit) that he asked God to make him either a Millionaire or a Multi-Millionaire. If it is true, and he did indeed ask God to do that for him then I think that in itself is a very revealing statement about himself personally. I can think of many, many other things to ask God for other than something like that.
Oh, Wait, I forgot. He already has posession of all the Spiritual Gift's he needs and God speaks to him in Audible voices and such and he has Esoteric Knowledge and "Special Privledges" not available to us peons. I just wonder why he didn't ask God to make him a Billionaire? If you must ask for Money, you might as well ask BIG.
Mark G. said...
ReplyDeleteYep....Something else that I have been thinking about is the fact that I've heard from other people (Not from him personally,or from behind the pulpit) that he asked God to make him either a Millionaire or a Multi-Millionaire. If it is true, and he did indeed ask God to do that for him then I think that in itself is a very revealing statement about himself personally.
Jeff said...
I'm glad you said that because I personally witnessed and with my "own" ears heard RWD say that he prayed to God that he, "RWD" would become a millionaire. That always left a distinct impression on my mind because it made a few things obvious.
First, it made it obvious that number one and most importantly, RWD wasn't already a millionaire when made that prayer to God. Secondly and quite important as well, he is a seriously materialistic dude. I don't blame him for being materialistic but it proves that he is not as super spiritual as some have suggested because we know that the love of money is the root of "all" evil. RWD definitely loves money or he wouldn't have prayed for it and then openly stated that he prayed for money in front of hundreds of people in that sanctuary.
The reason that it's significant that he wasn't already a millionaire is because NTCC loyalists like to claim that RDUB didn't get his riches through the ministry and from the church people. Well that notion is a complete lie. Yes he made good investments, and yes he made good real-estate purchases but the money that it took to make those investments and purchases came from a bunch of struggling church folks in the NTCC without doubt. RWD gained his riches through greed and at the expense of everyone's sacrifice. We know this because the money had to come from somewhere and we know he wasn't "already" a millionaire when he made the prayer that "I" heard him say that he made.
When RWD made that statement it showed me a lot about his character and his organization. According to the Bible Solomon didn't even make such a prayer and the Bible emphasized that fact quite clearly. RWD is a money hungry blow hard who makes no apologies for that fact, and he doesn't care if his ministers have struggled so that he could achieve that goal, and they most certainly have. Now Kekel is the same way and you NTCC guys are being duped to live in poverty while those two guys just get more rich off of your efforts.
Get your very own church building and stop sending money up to Graham and stop placing money into an escrow account that you have no control over.
Jeff Collins
Nicole said:
ReplyDeleteFor years ntcc has been successful at getting people to shut up and go away. December 06, 2009 12:06 AM
Right! So true. They beat that doctrine into people almost daily:
"KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!"
And as for the going away, well, they do want that, once people wake up and realize what ntcc's been shoveling...
And as has been mentioned, repetition is good.
On another note:
When God judged Egypt with the ten plagues, He was judging their pet idols. That is what God will do also to the idolatrous ntcc.
Any comments on what their idols are?
BitG
Nicole Said:
ReplyDeletePeople tell me they want just a yes or no answer, but too bad, they're going to get my opinion too.
By the way, this is the first year my son really understands Christmas so we took him to the mall today to see Santa. The look of joy on his face was priceless.
December 08, 2009 10:19 AM
That quip about getting your opinion too was pricelss!
I suspect
THE REAL REASON FOR ntcc's ARDENT FEAR OF SANTA IS
not that they consider him a lie, being, in my opinion, liars themselves...
No, they really hate Santa because
SANTA IS MORE POPULAR THAN THEY ARE!
Yes, it's true. ntcc has a bad case of
SANTA ENVY
BitG
BTW
ReplyDeleteRight now ntcc poo-poos Santa.
But give it ten years...
Once Grant spawns and wants to take his pups to the mall to see Santa they'll be singing out the other side of their mouths in true ntcc fashion...
BitG
CM said:
ReplyDeleteSomething that came up today. A flash back!
All the seperation that goes on in ntcc. First we seperate ourselve's from the 'sinful" worldly influence. Then ntcc works on us to seperate ourselves from our OWN family. ... ISOLATED,CUT OFF
Right, CM.
ntcc gets that technique right out of the Abusers' Handbook:
ISOLATE THE VICTIM.
CONTROL EVERYTHING.
Control who they see. (So nobobdy can tell them they are being abused and taken advantage of.)
Control all finances so they are completely at your mercy with no freedom or independence.
Control their time and activities to keep them worn out and dependent on you.
Sounds like ntcc, doesn't it?
Yes that is what one can expect in an ntcc environment.
And they will hide behind the cross. They will say you are serving the Lord.
(But if you had time to read your Bible you would quickly learn how many ntcc doctrines contradict God's word.)
Really you are only serving the machine and men of ntcc by enabling them to dupe more people into following them so they can get rich off of God's people.
Now, from your heart you want to serve the Lord. So listen to the Still Small Voice that is the Holy Ghost Who whispers to you to leave ntcc and serve God in Spirit and in Truth.
You can do it.
We who have gone before want you to know you'll be okay and better than okay. You'll be thrilled to know how real God is. He's waiting for you. He loves you.
He didn't give His Son for you to become slaves and pawns of corrupt men such as rw, kekel and others in ntcc staff.
He came that you might have life and more abundantly.
Ask God to show you personally in your life what that means.
You will see. He will quickly show you to the ntcc exit door and a new life beyond ntcc full of friends and believers beyond wingtips and white shirts and man-made rules and hypocrisy.
Don't take my word for it.
Taste and see.
BitG
Chief said:
ReplyDeleteI would rather have a square of used toilet paper than an NTCC grad certificate.
Oh, thank you Jeff! What a perfect way of putting it. You literally made me laugh out loud;)
Life is so much better outside the Borg.
But I do want to thank you for this blog. It is so good to share past experiences and read how others are being liberated from the 'phony'.
This is the first I'd heard of what happened to the Devonshires. That is so sad and shows how twisted and hypocritical ntcc is.
I'm glad she has been persistent in saving her marriage and pray he will repent of being an ntcc stoolie and work just as hard at getting people out of ntcc as he has at getting them 'in' (and i mean that both ways).
BitG
Jeff said,
ReplyDeleteRWD is a money hungry blow hard who makes no apologies for that fact, and he doesn't care if his ministers have struggled so that he could achieve that goal, and they most certainly have. Now Kekel is the same way and you NTCC guys are being duped to live in poverty while those two guys just get more rich off of your efforts.
And there it is folks.
ntcc (rdub specifically) preaches:
WHERE IS THE SACRIFICE?
It's all around you, rdub, being lived and bled by those who work for you (though they are not your workers but God's).
And all the while rdub is screaming WHERE'S THE SACRIFICE? people who attend ntcc are living lives of sacrifice.
But while rdub demands that people in ntcc live lives of skim milk, he and his are living lives of cream and gravy.
rdub is the biggest hypocrite and pitchforker i've ever met.
God wants to know why rdub and his don't sacrifice a new Cadillac every 50,000 miles so some worker on his so-caled payroll could afford the basics of life like a phone or haircut from a barber instead of his wife shaving him bald since they work for rdub they can't afford a barber...
BLOW HARD is a fitting description. In Bible-speak I believe that would be rendered:
FOR THEY SAY AND DO NOT.
rdub and his do not sacrifice.
But they demand that you do.
HYPOCRITES.
Oh, and for all you losers who think it's being 'negative' to point out the TRUTH: Stop deceiving yourselves and stop spouting ntcc cult jargon in a sorry attempt to silence the truth.
JESUS REBUKED THE PHARISEES, SCRIBES AND HYPOCRITES:
WOE UNTO YOU, SCRIBES, PHARISEES HYPOCRITES.
HE DESCRIBED THEM FOR US:
SNAKES
VIPERS
THIEVES
But people who are comfortable in their delusions living lies like the ease of uing catch-phrases like "that's negative" or "you're jealous" to quickly dismiss the solid truths and real stories being exposed about how ntcc functions and what their true goal ($) is. That way they can roll their eyes, sear the conscience, and say "Give, Give" while they take take.
BitG
PEARLS OF WISDOM FROME THE SWINE'S MOUTH:
ReplyDeleteFollowing is a quote of one of r.w. davis' favorite sayings:
"YOU DESERVE A HUSBAND THAT BEATS YOU!"--r.w.davis
Please pause and think about that, and about what kind of a man says that FROM THE PULPIT.
And please consider what kind of spirit is dwelling in him if he repeatedly says such things.
Jesus taught us that the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh and such things defile the man.
KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE.
HE WHOM THE SON SETS FREE IS FREE IN DEED.
BitG
the style resembles Greg Shunk- I hope it is, it would be great to have him back
ReplyDeleteT
Whoa! I was around for 2o years. In all that time I can't ever recall Rev. Davis saying, "You deserve a husband that beats you." And, yes, we were around him alot. Still, I'm glad to be out! It's true about not knowing how to dress now that I'm out. I don't know where I fit. Not with the teens and not with the old ladies but just don't feel right in anything.
ReplyDeleteCM,
ReplyDeletethanks for your post about separation. For anyone who has been in a long time, the idea of another life can be very fearful. But having new experiences and new friends is great. I got a part time job for awhile and didn't realize how much I would be around teenagers. They were so sweet and just want people to talk to. They caught me up on all the latest and taught me how to text ha!
So get out there with your bucket list because we only live once!
hearing so many stories and personal experiences of others that were in ntcc. Many of us have heard things that others did not. Or were around them in more personal atmosphere. So some things others remember. Does not mean we all will have heard it.
ReplyDeleteI know for myself I do try and forget whatever came out of rw's mouth. It was all pure evil. Since his intentions are evil. It is all evil!
CM
I love the comment about the BUCKET LIST. That is a awesome movie. Seen so much cancer in my family. So it hit home for me.
ReplyDeleteI got my bucket list. Have already done a few amazing things. But will be doing more!
There is so much out there,in nature to enjoy. God created all of this!! Enjoy the outside.
Don't let life get so busy. You don't call friends up. Make time to do coffee with friends. Always hear folks,I am so busy.
I would rather be making memories then making a buck!
I do enjoy money,but those that love us come first!
Isn't that why so many of escaped ntcc. Was being used up and spit out. We missed our families and wanted a better life for our kids!
CM
WIFE BEATERS JOIN ntcc--rdub will back your every punch with a ringing endorsement:
ReplyDelete"YOU DESERVE A HUSBAND THAT BEATS YOU!"--r.w.davis
Please pause and think about that, and about what kind of a man says that FROM THE PULPIT.
And please consider what kind of spirit is dwelling in him if he repeatedly says such things.
Jesus taught us that the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh; and such things defile the man.
KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE.
HE WHOM THE SON SETS FREE IS FREE IN DEED.
BitRepetitious
this does not really go with the conversation. But something that bothers me.
ReplyDeleteI can read from others or hear them verbally say. Gods has it all in control,Praise God for his direction,everything will all work out for the good,on and on.
For me,it just sounds like words with no meaning. How in the world does anyone know what Gods plan is in anyone's life. We just believe he has it all in control. I know Faith. I know all the answers,biblically. But rationally. Living through ntcc. All they talk about is the Reality of God living in us,having a relationship with God. How do you really know your in a relationship with God? What is this so called reality!
to me it sounds like relgious Jargon. right now,in my stage of healing from the cult brainwashing. It makes me want to puke,or tune it out. Not sure if I am making any sense at all.
I do not think I can take ANYTHING good from ntcc and the teachings from ntcc. I want it all erased from my memory. rather start fresh,then pick and choose.
Listened to Jargon spewed ALL the time in ntcc. They had NOTHING else but sayings to get everyone excited. Up jumping around,raising there hands,pretending to speak in tongues to make it look like they were saved!
If I had the HS,wouldn't I have spoke in tongues since leaving ntcc. I HAVE NOT spoke in" tongues" since leaving ntcc.
Something that just gets under the skin. Just doesn't sound real to me!
Now,I have been around other Christians. Don't go spouting off the favorite relgious sayings. And for me,I see Real Christians. Living Life!
CM
I want to let everyone know that I still have to reject lewd and garbage messages literally every single day. I would actually rather not have to moderate this blog however a few invaders are continuing to leave me no choice. I am doing my very best to ensure that I post your messages as quickly as possible.
ReplyDeleteI check for new messages quite often during the day when I'm not at work.
Y'all take care now, ya hear.
Jeff
Those SO called Christians that are sending the lewed,garbage comments. Are trying to stir up trouble. make the Blog,Bogged down. So that you will quit Jeff. And the rest of us get tired of waiting for our comments to get posted. As for me. I do not mind the delay AT ALL! And these negative people. Are not going to stop the progress of ntcc being EXPOSED! We will all shout it loud and Clear. For all to hear and know that ntcc is a CULT! To stay away from ANY ntcc churches doors!
ReplyDeleteBecause once you step in. There claws come out. And try to latch onto you. With there,oh we love you speech. Gods is real here speech. Holiness is righteousness speech. On and on,that ntcc is special,NON-COMPROMISING church.Read here and you will know that they have compromised.
I have been on some women in ntcc FB page's. Just looking at pictures and there interest. Guess what folks they now have there OWN interests. Listening to country music,wearing Denium skirts in PUBLIC,fancy sunglasses,showing the gangster signs. All seem very small things. But folks those are BIG THINGS. Ntcc never allowed a person to show individualty,have hobbies or any interest. But soul-winning!!!!! Yes,ntcc has changed. Trying to be appear Mainstream. But look closely folks,there all still dressing the SAME. Hair is still the SAME. Pale,chalky completions for the women. No,you do not need make-up. But these women have NO COLOR!! Still wearing those ugle blazer jackets on top of baggy dresses. They will still look out of place no matter how much they try to FIT IN!!
CM