I hope that everyone has a merry, peaceful, prosperous, and productive Christmas.
I wish that the NTCC leadership would stop being hypocritical while placing restrictions on their people that the leadership has no intention on following themselves. I hope that the NTCC leadership develops enough decency that they stop using their people for no more than gain.
I wish that the NTCC leadership would stop being hypocritical while placing restrictions on their people that the leadership has no intention on following themselves. I hope that the NTCC leadership develops enough decency that they stop using their people for no more than gain.
Luke 2:14 - Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. If the NTCC leadership could learn to follow this principle, and teach themselves to render "good will toward men", they would totally change the way the do business and rapidly attempt to contact and apologizes to all the people that they've wrongfully used over the years; which is essentially everyone.
They would apologizes to the couples who's marriages they've ruined and destroyed. They would apologize to the ministers who they've wrongfully guilt tripped while driving them into poverty and exhaustion. They would apologize to all the people who they've wrongfully ridiculed, humiliated, mistreated and unnecessarily embarrassed for no other reason than to show an authoritarian use of power from behind the pulpit. For the most part, the NTCC leadership has done everything over the years other than show "good will toward men", and as a result they've totally missed the true meaning of Christianity and Christmas, and they've hardly fulfilled what the Bible teaches that Christ came to accomplish. There is no Biblical record of Christ or his Apostles striving for nothing other than the accumulation of real-estate which has been the obvious goal and objective of RWD / the NTCC all along. RWD and Mike Kekel have practiced "good will toward themselves" in everything they've done, hence the evidence of a list being created indicating who would come and clean Kekel's house next; just for starters.
Jeff Collins
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteall the Christmas's we spent while stuck in ntcc. We made the best of it. Could not buy for other family members. Squeezed out the money to buy for our child. Made sure there was lots of presents under the tree. And not from the dollar store. Was not expensive gifts. But she did make out better then some kids in ntcc. Where some families would not even put up a tree. UNTIL Mike K and Tanya put up a tree for Grant!
Since being out of ntcc. Our Christmas's get better and better. Make sure we can actually get some of the gifts on there wish list and a few more we pick. Stuffed stockings,goodies to snack on,FREE TIME to just hang out and play with our new gifts. No rushing off to some FAKE FELLOWSHIP HALL. To sit around eating DAY old pie from Fred Myers. YUCK! Or standing in line to share a meal with another BS family. Nope,we went to friends house this year. And stayed quite late. Was awesome,just chillin. And NO GUILT TRIP!
Want to wish Everyone a Very Happy New Year. We will be staying up to Ring in the New Year. Since escaping ntcc. So much to Look Forward to. FREEDOM!
CM
My wish from Santa this year is that Kekel Davis and their family will burn in hell!
ReplyDeleteThank you Jeff for your message and hope that 2010 wll bring freedom to many.
ReplyDeleteI was just thinking of how many really received a heart-felt call from the overseers this Christmas.
In the years that we were in, never, ever, ever, we received any call from anybody in the org, at least ackowledging the season.
Unless you were on the list.
For some reason I remember being called one time, not on christmas, but I recall that she said that she saw my name on the list, and decided to call me. Huh?
Maybe be it was a mistake that they put my name on the list because that was the only one time in all my years in ntcc that I was called.
I remember that the conversation centered on how other churches were doing great and how they were holding revivals and people were being healed, that such and such was happening here and there.
I was never asked how we were doing or how my husband was doing, no, it was so weird, I just stayed on the line and finally it ended.
I was left just as empty as before.
So much for being on the list of people to be called.
blovd
Not to be a downer Jeff, but wishing for ntcc to change is just like wishing for peace on earth.
ReplyDeleteI remember being taught that God don't make junk, but those that dedicated so many years of their life were tossed out like yesterday's garbage.
On the upside it is good to know that other people care enough to keep in touch, write blogs, and websites and take the time to listen.
You go Anon! Just let it all out!
"My wish from Santa this year is that Kekel Davis and their family will burn in hell!"
ReplyDeleteWell, I guess you are just saying aloud what many people are thinking this Holiday Season.
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteIt was so nice to just have a normal Christmas with my family and relatives this year. While in ntcc I rarely ever spent a Christmas with my family and relatives-- (and if I did it was because THEY sent my a plane ticket). It was because it was discouraged by Davis and Olson to go home for the holidays, because "Why do you want to be around sinners?". It was IMPLIED (not outright said) that to desire go home and be with your mom and dad was because you wanted the "world". To quote Olson, all they want to do is play pool, drink Mogan David, curse and all the other things "sinners" do. But, in all my times being around my family it wasn't like that at all. We just had fun and there wasn't any "sin".
I was telling someone recently how that you get used to your situation, no matter how bizarre. Now that I'm out of ntcc and looking back, it is so strange (and bizarre) that we had to ask permission for EVERYHING (no matter how mundane); were discouraged from seeing family; discouraged from having a Christmas tree (until the Kekels got one!); and basically kept in bondage (through fear abd guilt tactics). Even our neighbors and co-workers knew we were weird. But we were so blinded by this cult we couldn't see it ourselves.
This Thanksgiving and Christmas I have been so GRATEFUL to be free from the shackles of ntcc-- and able to live a NORMAL life again. You people in ntcc may think you're free, but just try to leave and see how free you are. The leaders will turn on you like a pack of hungry wolves. They'll smear you're good reputation in seconds flat.
Thanks for this blog, and you and your family have a great new year.
AXP
For the past few years people have been getting calls for Christmas, etc. I think it's part of trying to be a kinder NTCC. At least that's what they want you to think.
ReplyDeleteAs Christians should we ever wish anyone to go to hell? Even our worst enemies?
ReplyDeleteOne year, (early/mid 90s) our family in the NTCC gave every family member a subscription to NTCC's newsletter as their Christmas gift...
ReplyDelete(Tell me Davis or Kekel didn't suggest doing that and I'd be completely surprised)
Anon said...
ReplyDeleteMy wish from Santa this year is that Kekel Davis and their family will burn in hell!
Jeff said...
I don't wish that. I understand your passion however I don't share your sentiment. As much as I disapprove of and dislike the abusive methods incorporated by Kekel and RWD, I don't wish them to be in a place of eternal torment and pain.
What I do wish is that people would wake up and see the NTCC for what it is and simply leave. I wish the federal legal system had tangible laws making it illegal to practice the type of abuse and misuse of people that runs ramped throughout the NTCC. I would like to see the NTCC put totally out of business but I don't wish to see Kekel or RWD in hell. I just don't think that way.
I wouldn't mind seeing them spend time behind bars for tax evasion. It would do them some good and maybe that would give them a chance to realize how much damage they've done to the lives of so many, many people. RWD and Kekel are probably the two most selfish people that I've ever met in my life. The NTCC isn't about souls, it's about RWD and Kekel and a blind man could see that.
Jeff
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ReplyDeletealrighty....
ReplyDeletemoving on, lets not get to carried away with our own spirituality, or fall into the same condemnation as ntcc!!
Blvd,
ReplyDeleteI felt that same exact way. It felt like we were sent to another country. Ignored,not visted,no calls. Unless we called. Overseer came twice for a few days. whoopie! To be out in a pioneer work. Not supposed to make friends outside of ntcc. No contact from ntcc leadership(husbands or wive's) Did not have enough numbers to qualify for helpers. But Rw pets could have helpers no matter what there numbers were!!!
I mentioned this to Tanya when we did step down. She tried to brush it off. Said that they did care. She called ONCE! And only after I had tried to catch her multiple time's.
Ever try and have a deep meaningful conversation with women in ntcc. NO DEPTH! Talk about Gods so called blessings,what is happening in a church,Gods is on the move. And more brainwashing Jargon was shared. Coupons,Bon Marshe sale's. But bring up world topics,you get the Glassy eyed stare! They had nothing to say.ZOMBIES!
This is what I would get talking to ladies at conference's,or when I would call one of them.
I am so thankful that I made friends outside of ntcc at our work. And still keep in touch with them to this day! Yes,they knew something was odd about me. But they still continued to be my friend. Was a huge help in getting out of the ntcc CULT!
Advise folks in ntcc. Those so called sinners are not as bad as you think. Take that big step,make a friend that does not HAVE TO BE YOUR FRIEND! Can talk world topics,fashion,any topic. Not just the SAFE topics that ntcc ministers,wives talk about. BORING!!
CM
I remember many time when it was encouraged for us to send the Trumpet as gifts to our family and friends. No thanks, they can keep it.
ReplyDelete"Ever try and have a deep meaningful conversation with women in ntcc. NO DEPTH!"
ReplyDeleteThat was the truth, holding an intelligent conversation was difficult.
I remember asking one lady what she thought about politics. She said she just votes how her husband tells her.
I guess Susan B. Anthony fought for nothing!
I understand totally with wanting them to go to hell. However, I think divine justice would be for the Kekels and Davis' to have everything confiscated by the IRS, and them being forced to live in an old doublewide, drive a 15-yr old beater car with no heater, and Kekel being court-ordered to stuff insulation for a living! That would be sweet.
ReplyDeleteAXP
I think its a lot healthier to write a strong feeling on a blog than to bottle it up all inside...
ReplyDeleteAnyways, after my husband and I arrived in Graham, I noticed a lot of preachers didn't have the kindest words to say about Mike Kekel.
Matthew Reed didn't express very much like for the guy and he would talk about how Kekel would give him the "scum of the earth" look.
I can relate to everyone here who looks back and thinks whoa...
Maybe those who are still in like the Reeds can read this blog and see Kekel is looking at you like an idiot and laughing at all the money you send in.
Whatever happened to that whole land transfer with Kekel? I saw a snipet on his blog that its a rumor and misinformation which is funny. This coming from a person who helps hide all the financial goings on of ntcc.
Now I know never to give money to someone who has to hide where its going. I always check the bbb and charity navigators now.
I'm sorry Double-d but its odd to post your pic but not your name. You were doing ok until the last two paragraphs... 2012 was just a movie and Graham is not in the path of a mudflow. Only Orting and Tacoma.
Anyways, people need a chance to vent otherwise they are going to explode not Mt Rainier.
Most folks already know who double-D is. He has never tried to hide his identity that I can remember. double-D is the screen name that he has picked because of his initials. That is perfectly fine and I've talked to double-D and consider him to be a pretty good guy and a straight forward guy. The man doesn't display the traits of a phony like so many of the NTCC guys that I've known, so if double-D says that he's had a vision, I have no reason to doubt him.
ReplyDeleteIt's not like he is trying to trick folks into attending his church so they can fork over their money. I believe what double-D says because I don't see where he would have any reason to lie. Of course I could be wrong but that is my feelings and I'm sticking by them.
Jeff
I am Double D: Darwin Durek (503) 618-8197 call me anytime, I am NOT anonymous. I delete my comments often thinking perchance I have gone "over the top" - then I pull back, deleting things once I get one "anonymous" cross-hairs-comment here or anywhere. Anon- you are my thorn in the flesh- go for it!
ReplyDeleteBUT: its ok, I can take it... I was in NTCC from 1974- 1982 but I suppose NTCC was never really in me. I discovered when the "church" kicks you out - Jesus goes looking for you. (see John 9). They kicked Jesus out of "church" - Recall it was the religious leaders of that day- who crucified Him! In Rev 3:20 He was knocking on the Church door- trying to get in! Ouch!
My sole purpose is to say- maybe those who depart NTCC are not as "lost" as NTCC says they, or we are!
ReplyDeleteSummation: beloved, God is not the problem, man is: men who are sense-ruled as opposed to spirit-ruled! As I say- "the sense-ruled believer can never win, the spirit-ruled believer can never lose! I judge no man. A person's own works judge them! An evil tree cannot bring forth good fruit. Beware NTCC and beware ALL.
I'm reading "Hoodwinked," by John Perkins. He maintains that he functioned as an "Economic Hit Man," persuading third world governments to assume massive debt in order to build infrastructure they couldn't afford and didn't really need. These countries would inevitably default and be brought into bondage to US corporate and government (which are synonymous these days) interests, regardless of how it affected the lives of countless people. Similarly, RW and his cronies are "Spiritual Hit Men," deceiving sincere Christians into sacrificing all for the "Program of God" and especially the "Men of God," whatever the negative consequences to themselves and their own families.
ReplyDeleteIt's the same kind of exploitation: the rich getting richer and the poor "with us always." NTCC leaders love using that verse to justify despising the poor (we were taught that the poor are poor "because they want to be poor"), but I believe the reason we always have the poor with us is that greedy manipulators and grifters like RW Davis will never stop fleecing people.
Here's paradox for you: inside NTCC you have no friends. What you do have is a spy network of blabs and tattlers waiting to score brownie points in the highly-charged political atmosphere. Yet here on the outside, we experience normal life. No one is reporting you to someone else! Here we (some) are bold enough to list our names and numbers. Others bound by fear cannot.
ReplyDelete...and we discover our true friends- people who accept us for whatever we are. We have a common element- our shock at the NTCC "system" of fear and cruelty. It reminds me of that verse- "the dark places of the Earth are full of the habitations of cruelty". As many of you have already testified many times- rank "sinners" treated you better than the NTCC leadership ever did. And what's with those phone calls at 2 or 3a.m.? is that another of their countless cruel tactics to test you? Oh we all saw it. Or "seen it" as they loved to say. Their misuse of the English language didn't drive me up the wall at all. It just revealed the true man - behind the curtain.
I just finished watching, "A Christmas Carol", which I try to do every Christmas. It's a great story which always has a big impact on me, but is much more than the story of the greedy miser Ebenezer Scrooge repenting of his evil ways after seeing 3 ghosts. It was really an indictment against the rich exploiting the poor, and negatively judging the poor rather than using their wealth to help them.
ReplyDeleteShortly after Dickens published that work, there was a sharp increase in helping the poor and alleviating their suffering. If I remember correctly, it eventually changed societies outlook on the poor, which resulted in a positive change in society, and government intervention to help those less fortunate.
I think Dickens is a testimony that one person can make a difference in this world for good, by standing up to the status quo and fighting injustice against our fellow man. We were put on this earth to do good, not bad.
Davis and ntcc are just examples of the greedy, selfish mindset of alot of the Christian community now, who think God wants them to amass wealth and material possessions at the expense of everyone else; rather than focusing their attention outside themselves to help the suffering of others. That's why ntcc despises the poor, rather than have compassion on them like Jesus did. Jesus taught love and compassion, while Davis teaches coldness and indifference. I think alot of modern Christians have allowed their political views to rule their lives, rather than the Bible's teachings.
AXP (another ex-preacher)
Hi Jeff!
ReplyDeleteHappy New Year 2010 Everyone! The wife and kids and I had a blast this Holiday Season.
First, we went to PA to visit some family.
Then, we went to Florida where my wife purchased for me an ACE 250 Garrett Metal Detector, man I am having a blast!
We rang in the New Year with a good Home Church Service and went shopping.
Sounds kind of wordly, doesn't it?? Well, you can use the world but not abuse it!!
Hope all is well with all. No, we do not want folks rotting in hell (previous blog). If MK can actually get saved, he could do a lot of good in the world...
Hooah!
Bro Johnson
AXP (another ex-preacher) said,
ReplyDeleteI just finished watching, "A Christmas Carol"...
January 01, 2010 4:05 PM
Wow, AXP, that whole post was so well written and thought out! Thanks for keeping it real!
DO YOU SERVE GOD OR rdub?
Since leaving ntcc i have become profoundly aware of how large the world is and how small ntcc's vision is.
ntcc spends more time quoting and obeying rdub than they do quoting and obeying the Word Who is Jesus.
If Jesus clearly commands to give to the poor, but you fear a man and obey him, and not God, then guess what?
You just made yourself an idolator who worships rdub not Jesus.
THE FEAR OF MAN BRINGS A SNARE:
TO WHOM YE YIELD, HIS SERVANTS YE ARE...
By fearing rdub and yielding to him you make yourself his SLAVE.
Do you want to be rdub's slave now and in your eternal future???
joey olson was right when he taught that the little things do matter.
Too bad for him and his he was never man enough to apply that maxim to his own life.
He likes to sign his memorandums and mandates with his name and the phrase: in His service. But we know that joe is in rdub's service.
YOU CANNOT SERVE GOD AND MAMMON.
YOU CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS.
Wake up, folks.
Time to repent.
SERVE JESUS not some self-centered, self-serving man.
BitG