Thread #55 Below is an excellent message that was written by pdq. I clearly understand that it is time for many NTCC folks to wake up and realize the direction that their life is heading. It will be a sad edict to wake up at 65 or 70 and realize that you have totally waisted your entire life. You better think about it because time is ticking, tick, tick, tick. I can imagine you telling God, "God I thought I was following you?" Only to hear God respond, "I'm sorry but you were deceived".
Jeff said...
The NTCC likes to state that "the road to hell is paved by good intentions." It's not often that I agree with the NTCC ministers because they have been blindly taught by RWD to be master manipulators, however the above statement seems to be quite valid. I am convinced beyond all doubt that RWD, Olson and Kekel have their people deceived. You ask how I am so sure? Because of the responses that I get from NTCC folks on this very blog!!!!! I am convinced beyond all doubt that the vast majority of NTCC folks have forfeited their ability to use good judgement, think on their own, think logically, while sincerely and objectively analysing RWD and Kekel's true intentions. They simply don't have the ability to do it. They could recover that ability, but only under one condition; they must want to. As long as they don't want to see the bare truth about the NTCC, they never will. Some folks prefer darkness over light and they would rather believe a lie than receive the truth by admitting to themselves that they have been hoodwinked by RWD, Olson and Kekel all along. That can be a very hard pill to swallow; I know as well as anyone!
Without further ado, pdq wrote...
I spent almost 20 years of my mortal life in NTCC being worse than an infidel. If I live to 80, this is almost one fourth. I could have died lost in sin.
Like you Jeff, I have not allowed my time in NTCC to debilitate me. I owe it to God—and my family, present (my NTCC friends have all forsaken me) and future friends (so I won’t be a burden to them)—to maintain my motivation (and drive to succeed in reversing the damage) high, and to keep my attitude right so I can avail myself of all the opportunities God has been presenting me with. The iron is now hot and I must strike while I still have my health and some youth left.
For the NTCCer, as they approach the end of their days, when they have stayed in NTCC long enough for it to be too late for them to reverse the deprivation, they will have nothing. In most cases no children to help them when they are old, no substance to help themselves when they are old, no friends that can help them (because they are in the same boat), a church that does nothing substantive or lasting for them, multiple marriages in their wake, poor health, bad teeth, no home, junky car, no more opportunities...no hope. Lonely, alone, scared, and seething from their wasted life and missed opportunities.
Public assistance, national health care, food banks, thrift stores, public transportation, unhealthy food, et cetera, will be their lot. Will there even be any Social Security in another few years? What will the Ministers that opted out of Social Security do? The husband may be able to go to the VA but the wife likely won’t (if she is not prior service). If a person manages to save $50,000 by the time they are too old to make any more money (or Pastor), this will yield $1,000 per month for 4 years and 2 months.
The NTCC life is a life of missed opportunities, shattered dreams, and squandered substance; the owner of which the Bible classifies as worse than an infidel. Since they won’t be able to reverse this they are condemned to dying as an infidel (worse). They didn’t take care of their family, themselves, sinned against knowledge, their own better judgment, will be held accountable, and can only rightly blame their own self.
God has delivered me from my NTCC life of NTCC compromises, NTCC misdirection, NTCC sleight-of-hand, NTCC double standard, NTCC’s bad example, and never fulfilled NTCC promises of God’s blessing just around the next corner. I have been given another chance, and for this I am grateful to God. A chance that was impossible for me to take advantage of until I pried NTCC’s hands of avarice from my life; which I also allowed to attach to my family, potential, substance. Chances no one can take advantage of while a part of NTCC.
pdq (who morns for those in NTCC)
All,
ReplyDeleteAs I am reading PDQ's potent post, I can just hear spiritual Atomic Bombs going off.
For example, Read the below statement again:
"I had a plan for my life before NTCC. The plan is still there, but a person only gets one shot at life, to make what they can out of it, and do all the good they can while it lasts".
Can you hear the Nuke going off as he states this?
"KAA BOOOOOOMMMMMMMM!!!!!"
What does a Nuclear Bomb do?
A nuclear weapon is an explosive device that derives its destructive force from nuclear reactions, either fission or a combination of fission and fusion. Both reactions release vast quantities of energy from relatively small amounts of matter; a modern thermonuclear weapon weighing little more than a thousand kilograms can produce an explosion comparable to the detonation of more than a billion kilograms of conventional high explosive.[1] Even small nuclear devices can devastate a city by blast, fire and radiation. Nuclear weapons are considered weapons of mass destruction, and their use and control has been a major aspect of international policy since their debut.
Simply stated, everything that PDQ has posted just blew NTCC away.
Bro Johnson
As for myself, God sent a woman my way to free me from the clutches of NTCC: My wife. Check this out: She was in NTCC too, so we BOTH left together!!!
ReplyDeleteAll she (my wife) could do for me was pray for me, God did the rest with her prayers of intervention.
I have been NTCC free since 2004, although I did stop by every now and then to hear PDQ preach.
He was the exception to the No NTCC rule.
I will be debt free in 1 1/2 years. Then, I truely be free with regards to reversing the debt I have incurred (I cannot blame everything on NTCC, I alone was irresponsible with getting in debt).
Bro Johnson
I would like to add to my comment Jeff re-posted:
ReplyDeleteIs God’s plan for your life, as contained in the Bible:
A. Taking care of your family OR the ministry?
B. Taking care of your family AND the ministry?
Ministry is not a waste of life, it’s the best life, but to minister in NTCC is to waste your resources, and unnecessarily burden your family, to the detriment of your soul.
Towards the end of your life, when you have nothing substantive, haven't taken care of your family substantively, and there is no more hope that you will ever be able to do so, when you are in dire straits, when your irreversible standing with God is "worse than an infidel", will you blame God?
The Bible says ministry AND family.
The Bible isn’t, and never has been, ‘policy’.
pdq
Just the other day I heard MC Kekel say, "My way or the highway, My way, or the blessed Mary Highway! My way's the right way your way's the wrong way!"
ReplyDeleteJust the other day I heard RW Davis say, "My way or the highway, My way, or the blessed Mary Highway! My way's the right way your way's the wrong way!"
Just the other day I heard Rev. Gandy say, "My way or the highway, My way, or the blessed Mary Highway! My way's the right way your way's the wrong way!"
Just the other day I heard Jesus say, "My way, there is NO other way, I am the way, the truth, the life - the WAY!! My way's the right way, Kekel, Davis, and Gandy's way's the wrong way!"
WHO are you going to believe? Man? or JESUS???
Bro Johnson
Hello everyone,
ReplyDeleteWho are you going to believe, Jesus or R'Dub. Really, all the other are just fancy Imitations. Just spin-offs.
I don't know. That's a close one.
Anyway, On a more serious note, If Kekel reads this.(Which I'm sure he does) I just wanted you to know that I had to Euthanize my Cat.
Just thought I would give all you people at NTCC something to rejoice about.
Quite a few NTCC folks would have euthanized your cat for free.
ReplyDelete1. They would have used their cars to run it over. 2. They would have used a well to drown it. 3. They would have taken gun to shoot it.
I've heard examples of all three committed by NTCC ministers and their cohorts.
Then they would have rejoiced. It's a fact and I am not exaggerating. I have personally heard and seen NTCC ministers get visibly excited when they spoke of the methods they used to try and kill, or successfully kill cats. Some of those dudes are sick in the head. This occurrence is actually extremely significant and more so than most folks might think! RWD is the one who taught that cats are evil.
This is a classic example of a CULT. The head leader teaches some wacky doctrine and his loyal brainwashed followers jump all over it and go to the extreme because they can't think on their own. God or goodness is no part of that picture. Mayers and Oberhauser spoke of the crazy cat doctrine. Mayers put it out across the pulpit and spoke to me and my wife about cats, and Oberhauser told me of the cat killing escapades that NTCC ministers would go on and my recollection is vivid. Another totally different NTCC minister said they would drown cats in a well. STRAIGHT UP! Great organization hey folks? It's a whacked out organization.
Jeff
You see people; all these occurrences stuck in my mind and I reached a point where I could no longer ignore them. I once again reserved the right to think on my own and logically internalize all these events that took place while I was in the NTCC.
ReplyDeleteI also reached a point in my life where I was no longer interested in simply trying to explain away all these kooky practices. They just weren't right and they certainly weren't godly and it became obvious.
I knew that I could no longer try and win folks to the NTCC because as a whole the NTCC was ungodly and certainly not Christ like. When I could no longer go soul winning with a good conscience I no longer wanted to be a part of the NTCC.
The whole cat hating business is just one of "many" NTCC practices that I wanted no part of. I certainly didn't want to invite anyone to a church that was lead by a cat hating preacher. When you do that you become just as guilty as they are whether you realize it or not.
Jeff
"I also reached a point in my life where I was no longer interested in simply trying to explain away all these kooky practices."
ReplyDeleteI think that's the key. We were conditioned to believe that the "man of God" could do no wrong. Since we accepted this premise, any outrageous behavior had to be rationalized. Looking back, it's amazing to behold the tortured logic which was sometimes necessary to accomplish this feat.
Any normal person would summarily reject some of the weirder aspects of NTCC culture, but to us, anything that had the potential to expose the true nature of the "apostle" or his cohorts immediately triggered an automatic defense mechanism. The mere hint of disagreement with any of the pronouncements of "God's man" was enough to generate a paranoia attack that we were swilling Pepsi with the Devil.
Just as soon as one rejects the infallibility of the NTCC pope, his bad character becomes apparent, and the necessity to defend the indefensible vanishes.
"What will the Ministers that opted out of Social Security do?"
ReplyDeleteThat is a good question!
What will those who have never payed their taxes do?
After all you know there are those who haven't and probably never will.
Anonymous asked...
ReplyDelete"What will the Ministers that opted out of Social Security do?"
Jeff said...
If they haven't invested a certain amount of money each month or if they haven't made enough money each month to invest they will be in a real pickle when they get older. They will be destitute with nothing and the NTCC won't be there for them. It's just that simple.
Not only that, their eternal destination will be quite questionable as well. I don't know (biblically speaking), how you can be right with God while continually deceiving your people year after year. I wonder if God will give them a break for ignorance, after having facilitated a false doctrinal statement year after year? I wonder if God will give them a break by ignoring the abuse? I wonder if God will give them a break for willfully remaining part of a corrupt organizational system for the majority of their life?
Their eternal destiny will definitely be in question. That would be a terrible thing to waist your whole life and still not make it to heaven and die broke in the process. All for the NTCC and Kekel and RWD? At least those two will die rich!! You are going to give your life away for the sake of Kekel and his corrupt organization? Na, nota chance. Especially not with all the information that I have about RWD, Kekel and Olson. If you want to make it to heaven folks, you have a better chance leaving the NTCC. If God is the God you NTCC guys say he is, he will not turn a blind eye to all your mess.
Jeff
hey jeff,
ReplyDeletei see blogger added a "search" function in the gadgets. if you go to layout options, then add a gadget, you can add a search box to search among everything in your blog.
you can have it on the right or add it above the posts.
PDQ Just wanted to let you know I loved reading your post.
ReplyDeleteIt is a sobering post that of pdq, although I never had the chance on meeting him I could see him in all those people that would wait in line to get in to the chapel in conference. I remember during conference and seeing all these people waiting in line, didn't matter the hotness or humidity.
ReplyDeleteThese people would do anything to sit up front just to be close to the "men of god" because that is where the "A" listers sit. Just to be there in the front and hear rwd do all his antics and specially when he talks and mentions any of them.
I would see the shining of the eyes of the people when rwd would mention any of them. Maybe pdq was
one of them that just longed to be mentioned by rwd, and probably he did but whatever brought pdq to have that "aha" moment only he can tell. I just wish more people would come that conclusion and stop worshipping an organization and for that matter a man.
I pity those people that can't live without the approval of others and they will do everything in their power to be included no matter what the cost.
I remember the moment for me was when olson stood in front of all the people in conference and said that the first thing he did in the morning was to pray for rwd, and he listed other people after that which I don't remember now but to me was like, how can he say that, I don't think his wife or daughter made it to being the 4th or 5th person he prayed for, they were put at the end of the line.
I heard his daughter was practically in her death bed some time ago and I always wondered if olson, prayed for rwd first even though his daughter was dying.
blovd
anonymous said..."...whatever brought pdq to have that "aha" moment only he can tell."
ReplyDeleteThe sum total of what brought me to my "aha" moment is contained in the post some of you all are commenting on. I wanted to stop being an infidel. So I took, and am taking, the necessary steps to reverse this sin in my life.
Now I am free to pursue the complete will of God for my life...ministry AND family.
No longer an infidel in his service,
pdq
Anon said...
ReplyDeleteHey Jeff, I see blogger added a "search" function in the gadgets.
Jeff said...
Done. Very good find. Thank you so much because that gadget will help tremendously. Thanks again and I made it available.
Jeff
Hey Angie, how is school going? How is the kids? How is everything? Ha, ha. I guess I could have asked that in the first place. Everything is going fine with me. I've been looking at motorcycles. I always liked riding a motorcycle however it's been years since I've owned one.
ReplyDeleteI want a Harley Fat Boy. I may very well buy one. They are not cheap thats for sure. Lately my family has been doing pretty well financially so maybe I will be able to justify buying one but it want happen anytime soon. We will see. If I get one I will post a picture of it on the blog. You know that I am trying to be like Mike. The only difference is I'm working for what I get. There are other things that we need for the house that are a whole lot more important than a Fat Boy so we will see. It's always a struggle because I am one of those boys who likes toys. I will never grow out of that I don't think. I will die wanting more toys.
Take care,
Jeff
Jeff said(lol):
ReplyDeleteHey Angie, how is school going? How is the kids? How is everything? Ha, ha. I guess I could have asked that in the first place. Everything is going fine with me. I've been looking at motorcycles. I always liked riding a motorcycle however it's been years since I've owned one.
Angie's Response: Well planned break from school hasn't been much of a break. Been super busy. Everything is ok. Could be better. Dealing with in-laws is not fun. Hope thats over soon. I think I have successfully managed to get them all hating me (The kids and I won't be attending their family reunion this year due to school starting soon for the kids and myself). They seem to think we are super rich.. not in August. EVER!
Last month we got a dog. A Pure Bred Miniature Australian Shepherd aka registered, 14 months old. etc etc etc. He is a sweety. He really likes me.. like is my own personal shadow. He is going to the vet on thursday to get his shots updated and to get microchipped. Next month he is getting nutered. OMG she is getting a akc registered dog.. neutered...yess I am... I am not going to pimp my dog out for breeders sorry!
The kids are getting taller. And my daughter who will be 10 this month is really scaring me with how tall she is.. she is almost to my chin.
We are going camping in a few weeks. Tenting it TYVM. We don't cheat with RV's thats not getting away if your bringing your home with you in my opinion.
The kids start school August 27th and I go back to school August 31st.
I've got my in laws hating me (whats new there THANK YOU MOTHER-IN-LAW for that one! she would totally fit in with NTCC she should be married to RWD she is JUST LIKE HIM!).
I am missing relatives. It's been a year since my uncle passed away. So having a hard time with that. My Dad is having medical problems again. etc. The list goes on. But I am hanging in there. Keeping busy. I am going to call. I should just set a reminder on my calendar on my phone lol.
Want to be me? What I have said here isn't even half of what I have been up to.
I am also looking for a job. Like wow she isn't dealing with enough? She has to drop a job on it too? Yup.
I've also been designing a website for a guild on a game called World of Warcraft. Its an online roleplaying game. Don't ask me to explain if you don't know what it is. Lets just say you gotta be a nerd to understand what an MMORPG is.
And this post is probably too long so I'm stopping.
Also we love harleys too and someday want to own some. But I would be happy to have a ATV. I love all things the great outdoors. I am a tomboy.
ReplyDeleteSpeaking of Motorcycles, I have a Honda Goldwing. I figure this next trip up to the Great Northwest will be the last on it. I looked at a Boss Hoss Sierra as well as getting a new Goldwing Trike. I think I'll go for the Trike because it is so much more quiet. The Wing I have now has been a really good Bike for the 102,000+ miles I have on it.
ReplyDeleteAngie: I'm glad everything is going alright. I also like anything with a motor in it. I would to get an ATV on day as well. Before I did that I would get a box blade in here and have a dirt track cut out around about two acres of my property. One step at a time. Yes you would definitely get preached at if you were still in the NTCC. A DOG????
ReplyDeleteThose NTCC preachers overall were never big advocates for owning animals so you would be certain to get blasted from the pulpit a few times for making that decision. If you lived near Kekel you could take the dog out for a walk and let it poop on Kekels yard so Kekel or Tanya could get one of the sisters to come clean it up. Ha, ha. That's probably about the size of it. I really didn't mean that all you NTCC folks who think we are out to get you. Stop trying to soul win fruit cakes just because they don't have any problem giving up their money, and you won't need to be so worried about someone trying to hijack your church. You treat people wrong for all these years and that's what you get.
Jeff
Funny... when I was in NTCC the Kekels had a dog. Kekel talked about it a few times in a few "sermons"....
ReplyDeleteKekel talked about killing cats all the time though.....
The stories he told horrified me. That a "man of God" (ROFLMAO here) would go out to intentionally harm God's creation like that.. But yet he is against abortion, and murder (same thing).
To change the subject to something that has nothing to do with NTCC..
Please keep my Dad in prayer. Long story short a few years ago he had a stint put in a vein to keep it open because it kept collapsing and now there is a blood clot inside the stint. He can't be put on blood thinners because it is in a vein that feeds blood and oxygen to his brain. They are going to discuss a few different ways of surgery to get it out with him on Tuesday next week. They also found something else but until they run further tests I have been asked not to discuss it until they know what it is.
Thanks,
Angie
Angie said...
ReplyDeleteKekel talked about killing cats all the time though.....
Jeff said...
Can you spell "SICK TICKET"? Or is it easier to spell "CULT"? How about SICK TICKET who runs the SICK CULT? Of all the crazy NTCC practices, the killing of cats is one practice that would surely place the NTCC in "Cult Hall of Fame". It's true. RWD has quite effectively persuaded many of his followers to believe that cats are evil and as a result they run around trying to kill Cats. It is a proven fact that has been chronicled by entirely too many witnesses.
There is no way any logical, genuine, sincere hearted person could deny that the NTCC has a epidemic that exists of cat hating, cat killing preachers. That fact in itself is a testament to how deranged many NTCC ministers have become. It's true. Face the facts folks; you are trying to serve the Lord while in fellowship with some real sickos. Sounds like a great church to be a part of, hey?
Just an observation.
Jeff
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteCat Killing was a bonus for me during NTCC soul winning days.
When a brother and I used to go soul winning, and we saw a cat, it was a BONUS!!
I did not understand the mentality of CAT KILLING, but it sure beat not having any contacts for the day.
So, we are in the car. "Hey!! There's a CAT!!" "WHERE????!???" HIT IT!" "AWWWWWWWWWWWW MANNN! SO CLOSE HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH"
The cat's were pretty lucky, we were unable to kill most of them.
As for a dog I once hit while driving....Well,..sorry??
Bro Johnson
Bro Johnson,
ReplyDeleteDid you always kill (or attempt to kill) cats, or was this a behavior you learned from NTCC?
pdq
PDQ,
ReplyDeleteWeren't you his pastor? Or an influential NTCC minister in his life?
P.S. How is that Bible Study coming along?
NTCC Minister B.S., M.A.
NTCC Minister: You have distinguished yourself as an instigator. You are not going to let it go are you? I guess I don't blame you for as much as we jump all over you. I guess this is your chance to be a winner and you are not going to allow a forfeit. Olson says you're winning? My good friend pdq has been including my name with yours ever since the whole fear topic came up and I decided to agree with you.
ReplyDeletepdq won't let me live it down, and you won't let pdq live it down, and I won't let the NTCC live it down because the NTCC inappropriately uses the fear tactic. What do you say we call it a draw and sit down everyone of us and drink a cold one. A Pepsi of course. Ha, ha.
Isn't it good enough that I agreed with you for a change, or is it also necessary for you to try and convince pdq to do the same? Tenacity is the word. I guess I have a little of that myself, wouldn't you agree NTCC Minister? Wouldn't you love to have me in your church? The only problem is, you know you couldn't control me.
Jeff
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteFor the record I posted my continued instigation on the most current thread prior to reading this.
Thanks for the offer of a "Pepsi Summit". However, my high regard for PDQ compells me to hold out for a Bible study rather than a Pepsi.
It is an intersting scenario and I truly do look forward to PDQ's response. In my mind nothing seems plainer than the fact God has used fear to motivate. I'm interested to see how PDQ arrived at his conclusion.
NTCC Minister B.S., M.A.
I'm pasting some recent developments from a dialogue few threads back. Essentially FB made a statement I took issue with. T countered and then PDQ supported FB's statment. Jeff came down more on my side. As you will see PDQ promised to post a Bible study on the issue. That has not happened yet his own timeline has elapsed.
ReplyDeleteI want to commend FB for restating his posisition in manner more in line with scripture.
Here are some excerpts...
pdq said...
I am going to wait a few more days (maybe a week) to give people time to weigh in with any more Bible verses, since some may not check Jeff's blog a few times each day as I do.
I would rather post more support for my conclusions here, since NTCC Minister B.S., M.A. has leveled such severe charges against me here.
As is typical with an NTCCer, he pronounced a judgment against me without hearing the entire matter.
If it turns out you all are wrong (I still think this is the case), or even that both views are acceptable (Jeff, you have shared this is possible), he will have falsely accused me.
No Fear,
pdq
August 01, 2009 4:07 AM
pdq said...
NTCC Minister B.S., M.A. (and now Jeff),
Since this old Bible Study I have been referencing is 19,500 characters, and would take 5 posts for its entire content to be entered onto Jeff’s blog, I will post it piecemeal. I will start with the most basic stuff and then, if I still have not convinced you, we will break out more basic stuff…as it’s all easy and takes effort to misunderstand, and not agree with it. I will start mostly with questions, which require a response from (at least) NTCC Minister B.S., M.A. before I will continue. Let’s begin…
The outcome (who is right, and who is wrong) of this whole argument may hinge upon one question:
1. Do results always equal (or even indicate) intent?
pdq said...
I am going to wait a few more days (maybe a week) to give people time to weigh in with any more Bible verses, since some may not check Jeff's blog a few times each day as I do.
I would rather post more support for my conclusions here, since NTCC Minister B.S., M.A. has leveled such severe charges against me here.
As is typical with an NTCCer, he pronounced a judgment against me without hearing the entire matter.
If it turns out you all are wrong (I still think this is the case), or even that both views are acceptable (Jeff, you have shared this is possible), he will have falsely accused me.
No Fear,
pdq
August 01, 2009 4:07 AM
pdq said...
NTCC Minister B.S., M.A. (and now Jeff),
Since this old Bible Study I have been referencing is 19,500 characters, and would take 5 posts for its entire content to be entered onto Jeff’s blog, I will post it piecemeal. I will start with the most basic stuff and then, if I still have not convinced you, we will break out more basic stuff…as it’s all easy and takes effort to misunderstand, and not agree with it. I will start mostly with questions, which require a response from (at least) NTCC Minister B.S., M.A. before I will continue. Let’s begin…
Anonymous said...
PDQ,
Thanks for the quiz but you are suppose to be posting the results of your study that indicates,
"Jesus never used fear to motivate people."
This is the original statement that I took issue with.
NTCC Minister B.S, M.A.
August 08, 2009 11:12 PM
Anonymous said...
NTCC Minister B.S., M.A.
I am the one who made that statement and I am wrong. I should have said Jesus does not use fear and manipulation the way NTCC does.
FB
ntcc minister,
ReplyDeleteyour soo concerned with pdq putting up this study. In some kind of timeline.
So what about your Great leader Mike K. And his Promise of updating the web site. Answering questions,putting up there POLICIES! It has been a few YEARS! And that has never been updated!
But you are concerned about pdq on this blog. But care nothing about your own so called leader fulfilling a promise. What honor and lack of character that shows!
He is Never going to update it. He knows the policies were ONCE Considered SINS. And now are just policies ministers have to follow. NOT Church members. Double standards there,hey! More folks will put two and two together and know they have been LIED to for YEARS. So he continues to use cover up,sugar coat it all,in damage control. Act like NOTHING has changed. When in reality EVERYTHING has changed. And Compromise is setting in!!
CM
NTCC Minister B.S., M.A.
ReplyDeleteJesus does not use fear and manipulation the way NTCC does.
Do you agree with this statement?
FB
FB,
ReplyDeleteYou either need to be more specific or be more general. Jesus does not use fear the way man does because man's influence is limited. That was the point in citing the scriptures I did.
In NTCC I have witnessed both a healthy and unhealthy application of fear.
Healthy being a correct application of Biblical truth to warn wayward souls. Unhealthy being a misapplication of the scope of scripture in order bolster human authority.
Fair enough?
This can be the same commentary of many other organizations and agencies both secular and religious.
NTCC Minister B.S., M.A.
Good point NTCC Minister.
ReplyDeleteJeff
Pardon my interruption of the love fest between NTCC Minister B.S., M.A. and Jeff, but neither of you have finished (or really started) defending your position that Jesus sometimes motivates people through fear (or however you want to word it), as I have not finished presenting my side yet.
ReplyDeleteAbove, NTCC Minister B.S., M.A. said "It is an intersting scenario and I truly do look forward to PDQ's response. In my mind nothing seems plainer than the fact God has used fear to motivate. I'm interested to see how PDQ arrived at his conclusion." Well, I have been presenting support for my belief on the original thread, not here or anywhere else.
NTCC Minister B.S., M.A. has accused me of mischaracterizing God, teaching heresy, misrepresenting Jesus and the Bible; and most recently that I broke my promise.
I have been proceeding under the assumption that I was being given the chance to defend myself against these serious charges.
Jeff has already shared he is not interested in participating anymore. NTCC Minister B.S., M.A. has shared he is.
NTCC Minister B.S., M.A., will you continue to participate, or will I be denied the opportunity to present my case with your participation (this process will require more back and forth) in refuting my position?
If you (NTCC Minister B.S., M.A.) have changed your mind about giving me the chance to make my case in a meaningful way, I will drop this and move on.
pdq
PDQ,
ReplyDeletePlease don't take your ball and go home yet. I still want to play catch with you. I'll even share. Please post your findings at your leisure.
NTCC Minister B.S., M.A.
NTCC Minister B.S., M.A.
ReplyDeleteThank you for admitting NTCC is guilty of using fear for a dishonest purpose. I assume they do this to gain more control over their members. I have also witnessed this behavior and it is disgusting.
FB,
ReplyDeleteAre you observing the same disgusting tactic in this healthcare debacle?
NTCC Minister B.S., M.A.
FB said...
ReplyDeleteNTCC Minister B.S., M.A.
Thank you for admitting NTCC is guilty of using fear for a dishonest purpose. I assume they do this to gain more control over their members. I have also witnessed this behavior while attending NTCC and it is disgusting. I agree healthcare is disgusting but on a different level.