9/17/2009

Don't Steal Your Kids Childhood, The Kekels Certainly Didn't Steal Their Kids Childhood!











This blog can be crazy sometimes. It causes me to give certain subjects entirely too much thought.

What I'm talking about here is the subject that we have been recently discussing throughout the previous thread; "the Kekels". I recently expressed my feelings about GK and how we should handle that subject. Well last night when I went to bed, I briefly (right before I went to sleep) gave the subject a little more thought.

This is an ever significant subject due to the fact that many of us were brainwashed and or psychologically manipulated into essentially stealing our kids childhood. We were taught that the only focus for our children should be that they serve GAWD throughout their entire life according to the NTCCs mandates, and that take precedence over any other career or recreational plans, unconditionally. We were taught that it was ultimately a waist of time to participate in activities other than "NTCC activities" such as soul winning and church services and conferences.

I know of an NTCC pastor who held his daughter back a year in school because her schooling interfered with his "NTCC" plans. Many parents didn't allow their children to participate in any extra curricular school activities because we were instructed not to by the NTCC leadership. It was preached and taught that in the eternal grand scheme of things, extra curricular activities or other activities such as sports, plays, martial arts, adult education, boy scouts, swim classes, sporting events, fairs, carnivals, theme parks, family outings, and anything else that didn't involve church services and soul winning was ultimately unimportant and a waist of the time that GAWD allocated us here on earth. And you know what? There are some biblical grounds to support such teachings but here is the problem and this goes back to my original point. "The Kekels".

The Kekels son was raised according to a whole different set of understood rules and standards. The Kekels son was allowed to participate in activities that the rest of us were taught were a waist of the time that GAWD allocated humans here on earth.

So you ask; "what is your point Jeff?" Some people who post here think we should back off GK because he is still kid living in his parents house. Others say "forget that, my kid was also a child when the NTCC leaders got all involved in my family business while occasionally openly humiliating my child in the process of doing everything they could to prevent me from allowing my child to have the same childhood that GK has been given all along."

Well I see both sides here and for that matter quite clearly. I believe that we should leave children (who are still in school, K-12) out of these discussions for the most part, but there is a problem if we categorically take that approach. The NTCC leaders and pastors never took that approach. The NTCC leaders stuck there hypocritical noses into every bit of our families business that they possibly could, while giving us guidance concerning our children that the Kekels never even followed. It's a slap in the face that some of us may very well never get over.

NTCC LEADERS: Because we trusted you, you took advantage of our trust and you stole our kids childhood with mandates that the Kekels never followed for their child. We thoroughly resent that and we won't forget. Believe it or not, in our lives, such events parallel 9-11. These are events that you just don't forget. You did more than just play games with us when you concocted all those rules, you messed with our children.

Jeff Collins

35 comments:

  1. I am so glad that I didn't get married while at NTCC, and I am even more happy that I didn't have any children while I was there. It has been hard enough for me to deal with the things that happened to me for the time I was there, and my personality is such that I don't easily get over things. My heart goes out to the parents who feel like their children were sacrificed at the alter of NTCC. If I were in that position, I don't know what I would do.

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  2. Mark G said...

    If I were in that position, I don't know what I would do.

    Jeff said...

    This blog helps. It gives me a voice that I never had while with the NTCC. My voice was certainly stifled when I tried to exercise it. So once again here you have my bully pulpit. You NTCC loyalists are just so pathetic and blind.

    Jeff

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  3. You know chief, you just have made my heart ever so sad because I raised a child in ntcc and there were alot of things I didn't allow this kid to enjoy because we were under the impression that those things would cause one to fall away from God. Now, those impressions we were under, are only "policies" that if you wanted to follow, it was up to you.
    If you wanted the blessings of God and be right with God, than you would adhere to every little detail, just like the pharisees.
    Oh, brother, if I could only go back in time but I can't, but you know chief, thank God that I did other things right and this kid turned out alright. I guess love suffers all things.
    blovd

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  4. blovd said...

    I raised a child in ntcc and there were a lot of things I didn't allow this kid to enjoy because we were under the impression that those things would cause one to fall away from God.

    Jeff said...

    What you described was nothing more than a whole bunch of psychological manipulation designed to completely bring you under the NTCCs control. If you think about what I am saying there is no other logical explanation. I'm serious here. If all these policies/laws/rules were truly designed to keep folks from falling away from GAWD, than why didn't the Kekels follow the rules also and why did RWD allow his grandson to stray from the rules? Because it was never about godliness or holiness; it was about control and money because when you are able to control someones life, you are able to control that person's money also.

    If it were legitimately about holiness then RWD would have preached Kekel under the pulpit for allowing his son to wear shorts and tight football pants and participate in "worldly" activities. RWD didn't care if you served God according to the NTCCs rules because if he did, he would have required Kekel to do the same. But what he did care about was that you served the NTCC because for his business to prosper he had to keep people and to keep people he had to convince them that they were getting something from the NTCC that they couldn't get somewhere else so what did he do? Concocted a bunch of rules that made the NTCC seem exclusive and his preachers taught it.

    But you see with Kekel it didn't matter. He knew he wasn't going to loose him because he was married to his daughter. What RWD probably didn't bargain for was that his daughter would wind up marrying a liberal because Kekel is exactly that. Testimonies have proven that Kekel was never very interested in the rules and he has been progressively breaking them all along.

    The problem is there are certain things that RWD must know about, being that GK is his grandson. If it were all about love, heaven and hell, there is no way that RWD would want his grandson to go to hell for participating in many of the activities that RWD preached would send you to hell. So therefor I can't be about quote, "holiness" with RWD.

    You see Kekel and Tanya are RWDs family and they are not a threat to leave RWD or the NTCC so therefor RWD doesn't need to control them and consequently they are not required to follow the same rules that we were all required to follow if we wanted to happily remain with the NTCC.

    What I am saying is totally logical and it just makes sense and there is no other rational explanation. We all got duped by RWD and he achieved exactly what he set out to accomplish which was total control of not only our lives for a period of time but also total control of our money. Ministers spent every dime they had in an attempt to fulfill RWDs church expansion business while Kekel simultaneously remained in Graham almost the entire time doing exactly what he wanted which was to control folks lives in Graham. "Stand against the wall", "Waite in line to ask permission for everything", "Come clean my house, pick my weeds and wash my clothes, and GAWD will bless you"

    And make sure you have all that done before my son gets back from basketball and football practice. My son is having a birthday party today with "all" his friends however make sure you stand in line waiting to talk to me so you can ask permission to have one child come and visit your son. You know that's the rules.

    That is so sickening that it makes me puke. Bulaaaaach. I've never witnessed worse psychological mistreatment in my life. Stand against the wall and ask permission? You can take your permission and stick it up your forth point of contact. For all who don't know, your forth point of contact during a parachute landing fall is your butt!!! I went to U.S. and Canadian Jump School and I know all about it. I also went to Air Assault School. Airborne - Air Assault.

    Continued below...

    Chief

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  5. Continued from above....

    Stick your permission up your forth point of contact RWD, Olson and Kekel. You guys are sickening with all this ask for permission garbage.

    Thank God you control freaks never got me to your school of rules because you can take your permission and shove it, I ain't in your church no more. You guys ain't nothing but a bunch of narcissistic control mongers. You NTCC guys are monsters.

    I feel sorry for anyone who feels the need to ask Kekel permission for anything. Kekel has you wrapped around his little finger. He's got you pimped out and you act just like his prostitute. Kekel says you don't do anything without asking me first "HO" and clean my house when you finish. Not literally of course but it sounded good.

    Think about it folks because that is about the size of it. You call that Christianity? You've got to be kidding me. Forget that garbage, have as many kids as you want over to your house, Kekel does. Have as many friends over to your house as you want, Kekel does. Go where you want to go, Kekel does.

    Don't ask permission because that is double standard garbage. If you want a single brother to come visit than that's your call not Kekels or are you Kekels child? Daddy Kekel, can I get a cookie out of the cookie jar? If you can't see that Kekel has total control of your life your blind as a bat. If that's the way things are supposed to be than why hasn't RWD controlled Kekels life? Oh I forgot, he is so spiritual. Well I know better and so does God. Men you are men so act like men and make decisions for your own family and don't ask Kekel permission for anything. Your wife will respect you a whole lot more. Stop letting Kekel pimp you and your wife out with all the "permission asking garbage" and house cleaning for your wife.

    Hooah, Hooah, Hooah, Airborne Air Assault all the way, every day.

    C130 rolling down the strip, Kekel ain't coming to my house and trip.

    Stand up hook up shuffle to the door, tell Mike Kekel to get off your floor.

    If my main don't open wide, my wife ain't cleaning her house at Tanya's side.

    If that one should fail me too, look out Kekel don't tell me what to do.

    If I die on the old drop zone, tell Mike Kekel not to call my phone.

    Tell my Mama I've done my best, cause Mike didn't put me in the lean and rest.

    Mike Kekel ain't no friend of mine, he can stick his permission where the sun don't shine.

    Chief

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  6. Chief, don't be so shy... you crack me up. I did the Air Assault thing also Hooray...
    I remember someone in the NTCC trying to make me feel guilty for joining Air Assault. Guilt tripping is a very good control strategy. I remember feeling guilty about going to the base gym to lift weights. I wonder where that came from. DOUBLE STANDARDS...HYPOCRITE...LIARS...CONTROL FREAKS…
    I have been looking for some Air Assault tee shirts can you hook me up?
    LTravis

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  7. Jeff,
    As with all the compromise going on in ntcc. I have heard the permission junk has slacked off. not required as it once was. maybe someone that is still in ntcc can either verify that or what is the policy these days!

    CM

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  8. "I remember feeling guilty about going to the base gym to lift weights. I wonder where that came from. DOUBLE STANDARDS...HYPOCRITE...LIARS...CONTROL FREAKS…"

    They put that guilt on me, too, but after years of it I was visiting RW's house and lo and behold, he had a treadmill and a weight machine in his garage! This is the guy who hammered it into us that "bodily exercise profiteth little," and mocked some as "joggers for Jesus." Seeing the hypocrisy over time was one of the factors that opened my eyes to the nature of the NTCC leadership. Even so, I didn't want to believe it, but eventually the weight of evidence became undeniable. The tenderhearted are the most susceptible to abuse, which renders the actions of these religious con artists even more unconscionable. I rejoice for each one that leaves.

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  9. LT asked...

    I have been looking for some Air Assault tee shirts can you hook me up?

    Jeff said...

    I would almost be certain that they have them here on Ft. Benning. When I get a chance I will look and give you a call so you can give me your shirt size. I can't imagine the Ft. Benning wouldn't have them; I'm sure they must. In fact I know I can get some here at Commandos if not at Ft. Benning.

    LT: NTCC folks have always made people feel guilty for doing almost anything other than church and soul winning. It makes me sick that I ever put up with it. I wonder where all the guilt tripping went while Kekel was doing everything?

    Jeff.

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  10. Vic said...

    They put that guilt on me, too, but after years of it I was visiting RW's house and lo and behold, he had a treadmill and a weight machine in his garage!

    Jeff said...

    Imagine that. What a hypocrite. It's good to hear from you Vic. These crazy threads always get me all stirred up every time I think about what I put up with. Folks, if you don't want to feel the way Vic and I do, you need to leave the NTCC now if not sooner.

    It ain't about Jesus, it's about RWD and his family and a few close loyalists. Other than a few exclusive people, you are just a pawn in the NTCC and you mean no more to those folks than the tithe you pay. NTCC leaders have in fact been quoted as saying that they put up with someone because they were a tithe payer. Wake up folks because you are being used. Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't spend one more second with the NTCC.

    I was in the presents of an NTCC overseer when he an another NTCC pastor joked about a different NTCC pastor being mad because a big tithe payer left his church to go to another NTCC church. They joked about the NTCC pastor being mad because he lost all the tithe. Imagine that they spoke about that in my presents. If you don't believe me call me and I will tell you all about it. 404-405-7842.

    Make no mistake folks, you mean no more to the NTCC leadership than the tithe you pay. Keep your money and find a real church where your money will go to something better then what the NTCC is doing with it. Oh wow, I have a new church building that I can spend 5 days a week in so they can get even more of my money. RWD said in conference that pastors not to call Graham with money problems if they didn't have a full schedule of services and that they were afraid to ask their people for money.

    That proves my point. Davis said it and I heard it so deny that.

    The NTCC could have 2 services a week but that wouldn't bring in enough money. It's not about spiritually because you are getting the same message every month anyway and it hasn't been sucessful at stopping Kekel and RWD from practicing double standards so tell me people, what's the purpose of all those services? Just like Davis said, "If you don't have a full schedule of services, don't call Graham with money problems"!!!! Once again I heard if with my own two BIG EARS.

    He didn't say if your not having a full schedule of services your people are getting spiritually fed; he said if you are not having a full schedule of services don't call me with money problems. So you tell me what is the purpose of all those services? It ain't spirituality it's money.

    Jeff

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  11. Jeff,

    What is even more moranic is that NTCC has some beautiful songs they sing during alter call.

    The sad part is, they do not live the message of the songs they sing.

    I am fed up with NTCC, lock, stock, and barrel. That includes a certain minister whom you told me about. I have yet to call him, probably never will, thanks for th warning. Just glad that my wife and I got out of the cult before they could do permanent emotional damage to both of us.

    Bro Johnson

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  12. Big Jeff!

    You reached the BIG 40K HITS!!

    HooAHH!!

    Bro Johnson

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  13. Bro Jeff -

    Man, did you realize that you got a hit Waaaaaaaayyyyyyyy down south from ARGENTINA, SOUTH AMERICA!!??!!

    How crazy is that!! Awesome!

    Bro Johnson

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  14. Bro J wrote...

    Man, did you realize that you got a hit Waaaaaaaayyyyyyyy down south from ARGENTINA, SOUTH AMERICA!!??!!

    Jeff responded...

    Probably someone who got abused by some NTCC minister. They were probably trying to get as far away from the NTCC as humanly possible. Unfortunately the NTCC might send some whanna-be missionary down there to let the individual know they are late on their tithes. All joking aside. I know of a brother who left the NTCC and the pastor reminded him that he still owed the NTCC some pledge money.

    Once again, what a joke. The guys breaking ties with you and he don't owe you jack. If you promised to give Timothy Mcveigh some money right before you found out that he was going to use it for materials needed to blow up the federal building; would you still be morally bound to give him the money?

    The way I see it the NTCC has totally messed up a whole bunch of lives and as a result I don't see that someone is bound to fulfill a pledge that will be used to propagate yet even more lives being messed up. I wouldn't give money to the Waco Tx crew just because I may have previously thought they were a decent group.

    At which time an individual comes to the realization that the NTCC is a bonafide Cult, (which it is) I don't see that you are morally bound to give them squat regardless of what your original intent was.

    If you promised your kid a vehicle but you found out that he was planning on driving it to an ATM machine to yank it out of the ground and steal it, would you still be morally obligated to give the kid the vehicle anyway.

    I certainly don't think so and I see the NTCC leadership in the same light as the fictitious crook that I mentioned above. Kekel has gotten rich of the backs of a bunch of struggling Christians to the degree that he has elected to send his kid through grade school that has cost almost $20,000 a year for at least the last several years. He did that while some other NTCC parents were moving around and actually holding their child back a year because they were putting the NTCCs expansion plans ahead of their own child's education.

    The NTCC is a crooked organization in my book so therefor I don't morally see the need to keep pledges made to crooks. The example I gave about the brother leaving and being asked for his pledge money is just another example of the NTCC caring about nothing but money. You think the guy is going to hell anyway so what difference does it make whether or not you remind him that he made a pledge? I suppose him giving you that last piece of money is going to make him right with God? You NTCC guys are so one track minded and it always goes in the direction of the "MONEY". It's so true.

    Jeff

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  15. I just read a message on Kekels blog that makes me sick. An email from another sucker. Oh he or she is loving the NTCC now. Soon they will start wearing this person out will all kinds of mandates. After that Ramirez wife (twocans1) said the person has a tender heart. What a joke.

    They will need a tender heart if they ever wind up in Ramirez church. He was and I'm sure still is one of the most abusive NTCC pastors that I ever came in contact with. He absolutely dogged his church (which I was a part of) for approximately 30-45 minutes during one service about guess what topic? You will never guess. OK, "MONEY". Imagine that. He was ruthless and vicious with his approach to say the least and his wife who certainly seemed to be a pretty nice lady is now one of the biggest advocates of Kekels blog. Ramirez wife goes by the screen name (twocans1)

    Amazingly she has become one of Kekels biggest flunkies. It's amazing how she patronizes Kekel on his blog. It's the proverbial NTCC suck up in hopes for preferential treatment. It practically makes me nauseous. Ramirez was one of the worst at perpetuating the NTCCs rules. That dude didn't even want me to go visit a brother because the brother was married and I was single without, (can you guess) yep drum role; "PERMISSION". It practically makes me puke just thinking about it.

    Boy did they ever get another sucker in the church at Graham Washington. This guy or gal thinks the fellowship is great. They (the NTCC folks) are sucking all up to the new person for now but soon (once this person gets in) he or she will just be another face walking through the door. The only time they will call this person is when they miss church. The call will go something like this:

    "We missed you at church today brother, do you want to hear what the message was about? Pastor preached a great message and you really missed a good one and God was really blessing. Yes you really missed a blessing from the Lord. We will look forward to seeing you in service tonight brother. Praise God and we'll be praying for you brother. I'll tell pastor we talked, and once again will be praying for you, God bless you brother, we missed you."

    Blaaaaaa, blaaaaaah. That was me throwing up. So many NTCC folks are so fake. They won't call the new brother for another 6 months as long as he doesn't miss service. The day he misses service, another phone call starting with, "We missed you at service today brother".

    Jeff

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  16. We didn't miss you personally brother. we missed you sticking you money into the offerring plate! fOLKS,NTCC does not miss you as a person,AT ALL! They are friendly,cordial. But hardly ANYONE in ntcc has CLOSE friendships.
    Most are all looking out for themselve's. A dog eat dog world! Who can kiss up the most to the so called leaders. Do they LEAD by example. Mike K. is leading how to compromise and talk out of the side of his mouth. Say,lets be an example to the world,uphold strong standards. All the while,he and his family has been breaking those high standards.

    Take a vacation without telling ntcc. Go see family without telling ntcc. See what happens!

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  17. Hi Jeff, you just touched on a subject that is so dear to my heart, kids.
    The sick part of all is that all those people that were fire and brimstone towards any sports for the children, are now parading their kids and grandkids doing those same things they so preached and condemned against it.
    Please tell me that I am wrong, thinking they must be sick in their mind, because I just don't get it. I have several ladies in my mind right now, that didn't even allow their own kids to play in their own backyard these sports and they would call these sports "macho sports", made for man not for girls. There's a lady that didn't let her girl on top of a bike for fear that it wasn't lady like enough. Come on!
    I guess my cheese was moved way, way, far away, away from ntcc.
    By the way I don't see sports as being evil, just those that are two faced about it.
    a.p.w.

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  18. a.p.w said...

    Please tell me that I am wrong, thinking they must be sick in their mind

    Jeff said...

    Hey a.p.w. I'm not sure I would categorize them as being sick in their mind. I would categorize them as having little or no conscience while possessing little or no character. I would feel like such a hypocrite just to show my face in church. I just don't know how they do the old chameleon change and act like nothing has ever happened.

    Who knows a.p.w. They are hypocrites and I know that, and I wouldn't want any part of it.

    Jeff

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  19. Back in 1996-1997 Rev MacDonald accepted Tithe from a First Sergeant in Korea who did not come to NTCC, but he used to go to church pretty faithfully at Fort Campbell.

    I was a the Yongsan bus stop and I heard a familar voice, "Bro Johnson" and low and behold it was the First Sergeant (Brother). He gave me an envelope with his tithe to give to the preacher.

    Hey, at least he paid tithe. Macdonald always accepted it. His comment was, "He's a sinner, but, he pays tithe".

    Makes you wonder...

    V/R

    SFC Johnson

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  20. That's an interesting story. Makes you wonder how brainwashed folks are. It's as if they are trying to buy favors from God. Of course the NTCC is all for that. Here is the 46th of Martin Luther's 95 Theses.

    "Christians are to be taught that unless they have more than they need, they are bound to keep back what is necessary for their own families, and by no means to squander it on pardons."

    Catholics in Martin Luther day and many today believe that you can basically buy your way into heaven by purchasing what was referred to as "indulgences." The NTCC may not refer to the money that they receive as payment for indulgences but in my book it is essentially the same thing.

    NTCC preachers are taught to say that, "all Christians pay tithe and give in the offering" What that statement is implying is that if you don't pay tithe and give in the offering you are not a Christian and therefor you can't get to heaven so if you want to get to heaven you must buy your way in. So essentially once you have repented, accepted Christ and been Baptized, you still aren't right with God until you start giving the church your money and that essentially is buying you pardons according to the NTCC even if it means that you don't provide for your family.

    Well Martin Luther's 46th Theses said that you need to hold back money to provide for your family and in this case not squander it on the NTCC. NTCC ministers have been quoted as saying, "God loves a cheerful giver but he will also accept money from a sinner."

    NTCC ministers will accept anyone's money and it is really kind of sickening when you think about it. NTCC ministers teach more about giving money by far than any other one subject. It's a fact. Think about it folks. Why is that? Is it because they are overly obsessed with receiving money from their church members or is the giving of money the most fundamental part of salvation, because that is sure what NTCC ministers talk and teach about the most by far.

    I truly believe that Martin Luther would have had a huge problem with the NTCC and I believe Jesus would have had and has an even bigger problem with the NTCC. The NTCC leadership acts just like the pharisees that Jesus described. Once again it's true; all you have to do is think about it.

    Jeff

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  21. Regardless of the latest gossip about someone being bandied about by NTCC (e.g. they don't come to church faithfully, they never bring anyone to church, they don't raise there hands when it's time, they don't speak in tongue when it's time, they are still wearing shorts, they don't come to soul winning meeting, they are still wearing make-up, they don't sing when it's time, they still listen to secular music, etc.), someone saying "but, they do pay tithe" ALWAYS ends the conversation on a positive note.

    pdq

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  22. pdq said...

    they are still wearing shorts,

    Jeff said...

    You had it all right except that part. Of course you know the NTCC "once" took that stance about the wearing of shorts but Kekel changed that. That "should" be all in the past now with Kekel telling of GK wearing short to play basketball. He said that a male wearing shorts is no different than a woman wearing a dress that shows her calf muscles. He is actually right but it still doesn't take away from the double standards and the years of preaching against wearing shorts.

    Jeff

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  23. I know that Madrano told a brother about 5 months ago that he couldn't wear shorts in the serviceman's home. Needless to say the brother called me up and talked to me about it. I'm sure everyone can imagine the advise that I gave him. For those who can't figure it out just read this blog. I don't think the guy is in the NTCC anymore.

    Kekel may want to let Madrano and all the other pastors know that it is ok for males to wear shorts now. At least he should make that call unless he was to perpetuate yet another one of the NTCCs many double standards. Ah it doesn't matter. The NTCC has so many double standards, what difference does it make to have one more.

    Here I will do it for them. "Men and boys, you can't wear shorts unless your initials are GK and you play basketball or your initials are GK and you are at football practice." "It's a sin and lascivious for all other men and boys to wear shorts." "GK is more spiritual than the rest of you and when he wears shorts it doesn't turn into sin for him. Wearing shorts would make the rest of you sin.

    Did I learn well from the NTCC? How did I do with the old double standard? I'm I ready to be an NTCC pastor now? I know the other part... "ALL CHRISTIANS PAY TITHE AND GIVE IN THE OFFERING"

    I'm on a role, let me try another one. "You need to go to the NTCC which is the only real church not the compromising Baptist church, or the prespeloopian, or the LDS or the charismatic preptocostal, or the crooked Catholics, or the 7th day advertisers." Did I do good
    at putting down other churches Mr. Ashmore? I know I am ready to be an NTCC pastor now. The only thing I have left to learn is how to breath real hard while I'm preaching. Oberhauser never got very good at that either.

    Jeff

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  24. Guess this a little tooting my own horn. For so long our kids had bare miniumum toys,game's. Scrap by to get my DD a gameboy. But now she does have a PSP,and my DS has younger electronic game's.

    We just had company tonight. And a friend made the statement that our home is a kids paradise! He doesn't realize how much that makes me happy. To know we are working on making our home enjoyable for our kids and there friends. With air hockey and pingpong table,play set,tramp. made it a place kids can have fun!

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  25. I have a definite opinion about this whole Idea of what I have heard people call "revision history". "Back in the day"(as people like to say) you would have been preached under the pulpit, and if R'Dub had a particularly good service then if you were lucky you might even have the privilege to hear him speak in Tongues and Prophesy against you. Others have talked about this at length so I won't belabor the point.
    I know that Mr. Kekel reads this blog, and no.....I don't have direct knowledge from God about the fact, But, I will wait and see what happens with Mike's son concerning College, and where he plans to attend. If I find out that it is somewhere other than NTCC I will call him and make arrangements to have a meeting with him. I remember being Hounded to the point of total distraction, and feeling all kinds of guilt, and perceived abandonment from God because I didn't go to their (er, GOD'S Bible College)
    I come up to Washington once a year to visit family, as well as friends so while I am up here I will be calling Mr. Kekel and having a meeting with him. On the flip side he can also ask me questions about what I've said on Factnet, as well as on this Blogsite which are things that I will either modify, or stand by.
    I can't understand why their Bible College would be good enough for everyone else, But why it would not be good enough for Mike's son.

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  26. There's always so much going on on this blog that if you don't keep up every week, the subject changes, and thank you Jeff for keeping with the blog. I don't know how you do it. There is always a topic to talk about and this subject about kids kept me awake the other night.
    I kept thinking about what apw wrote about those people that at one time really believed that the girls playing softball or karate or other sport like that would be not lady like. Or that boys going on into sports in high school was wordly, and I thought, well I guess nttc really changed now because the son of the man next to olson is doing these things and he, gk, probably started a long, long time ago, so I started to go back in my mind of all the pk's that I've known and how many of them still remain.
    I kept naming a few of the ministers that I am more familiar with and their kids are all gone from ntcc!
    Why, I asked myself. Why are they all gone? Wasn't the truth they heard preached, service in and service out, conference after conference real enough for them to stay?
    What is wrong with this picture?
    Where is malone's son, jetter's sons, cyrus' son, love's boys, pettit's daughter, spencer's boys, ashmore's son, post's sons, contreras' girl, st.claire's kids, hampton's kids....I could go on some more, but you get the point of what I'm saying.
    I remember years agon in a conference rwd saying that heaven wouldn't be heaven if his daughter was not there. It is a sobering thought to have but it doesn't make it right that so many kids were probably messed up by the doctrines that ntcc taught in the early years and how some of these kids could have had a very different outcome if they would have been allowed to have a normal chilhood, like gk has had.
    blovd

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  27. We have escaped ntcc. But my DD is in her teens. Never played sports while in ntcc. Since being out has played Bball. But now thinks she is to old to start a sport. Frustrating me. She is now free like all of us that have escaped ntcc. But she is holding herself back. I want to push her and just make her. But that won't work. I keep doing new things. Show her,she does not have to hold herself back. Like we thought we had to for so many years.

    I remember wishing I could sign her up for Karate while in ntcc. So much was missed,but we are making up for it now!!

    Not sure how girls are treated now in ntcc. But back then,my DD was one of the few girls that had a handheld gamer. You saw all the boys huddled together,having fun. While the young girls sat dutifully next to there Mama's. Being the nice girls and not playing with the boys!!!!

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  28. blovd said...

    There's always so much going on on this blog that if you don't keep up every week, the subject changes, and thank you Jeff for keeping with the blog.

    Jeff said...

    I appreciate your gratitude more than you know. I have spent countless hours typing on this blog. Every now and then I give it a break. Then someone writes something that gets my blood boiling with the NTCC and here I go again. I've said this before, but greatest class that I ever took in high school by far was a year of business typing. It helped me with the college classes that I took while I was in the military. Being able to type helped me while I was a leader in the military and it has certainly helped me continue with this blog.

    The fact is, were it not for my typing skills, this blog wouldn't exist. There is no telling how many thousands of paragraphs that I've typed on this blog. I hope the word is getting out. I know it is but obviously I don't know to what degree.

    Thanks again for the gratitude. It is a lot of work keeping this blog going. Sometimes I get tired of it.

    Sincerely,
    Jeff

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  29. What is wrong with this picture?
    Where is malone's son, jetter's sons, cyrus' son, love's boys, pettit's daughter, spencer's boys, ashmore's son, post's sons, contreras' girl, st.claire's kids, hampton's kids....I could go on some more, but you get the point of what I'm saying.

    I don't know, BUT...You already know where GK is, go watch him play football some night and ask him!!

    V/R

    Bro Johnson

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  30. ALCON,

    Or, All Concerned: Would anyone like to take the reins of this Blog for a while? Give Jeff a Break!!

    If there are any takers out there, please let Jeff know. I would love to but I already work 18 hour days, I have to sleep sometime.

    Bro Johnson

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  31. If I didn't work full time and go to school full time. I had to sneak on here before getting ready for work to read and catch up.. crazy... graveyard shift sucks btw!

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  32. One if the Post's boy does attend a NTCC church he just doesn't want to go into the ministry.

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  33. in reference the post about the preacher who accepted a sinners tithe.


    While in church there were other things that "sinners" offered to do for the church but they were turned away:
    Like sing a special for service
    or help out in the nursery
    ut they were turned down because they were not "in" or "genuinely saved".
    Of course the exceptions include paying tithe and going soul winning.
    fiona

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  34. Fiona said...

    "they were turned down because they were not "in" or "genuinely saved".
    Of course the exceptions include paying tithe"

    Jeff said...

    That is a very interesting observation. I hadn't considered that. It's so true though. The NTCC could say that they don't want the folks money but they do want them saved but that is not they way they look at it. They will take folks money whether they are so called saved or not. As you stated, the NTCC won't accept their services but they will accept their money.

    That shows what the NTCC is truly all about.

    Jeff

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  35. Love to see this thread at the top again.

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