Thread #64 A picture of RWD while announcing what churches he will or will not visit.The NTCC is a caste system. Here is a definition that I found: A social structure in which classes are determined by heredity. The NTCC has different classes of people within their ranks. Those classes of people are often determined by "heredity" which practice we quite frequently refer to as nepotism. Here is a definition of nepotism that I found: Patronage bestowed or favoritism shown on the basis of family relationship, as in business and politics: She was accused of nepotism when she made her nephew an officer of the firm. For those who haven't figured it out, that is the NTCC way. Partiality and favoritism runs ramped throughout the NTCC. That point was effectively illustrated in a message that I quoted below which was written by blovd.
blovd wrote...
"I won't visit some of you because you want to put me in a roach coach motel. I'll come to see you when you are doing something for God! When you are running more people than I! Only than will I come and see you so you can teach me how to build a church and tell me what method you're using to bring people in. In the mean time don't expect me to come by to preach to your 5 or 10 people."
Just remember the times that there was a conference or a big fellowship. Where were the board members? Sitting by themselves with only a few preachers that RWD hand picked to sit with them. Why are you afraid of sitting with the common brothers and sisters? They are not good enough for him? They can't teach him anything? Which brings me to the time in a conference telling the pastors who wanted him to come to their church for a visit, he said:
"I won't visit some of you because you want to put me in a roach coach motel. I'll come to see you when you are doing something for God! When you are running more people than I! Only than will I come and see you so you can teach me how to build a church and tell me what method you're using to bring people in. In the mean time don't expect me to come by to preach to your 5 or 10 people."
blovd statement is so true because I've witnessed the same type statements made by RWD during conference. If you've spent any time in the NTCC, I'm sure you've witnessed the same also. Either that or you are living in denial. RWD runs his church like a "family owned business", and it is more a business than a church for sure.
Jeff
I used to watch ladies and gentlemen try and KISS UP to RW,MK,any of the board. You could be in BS with these folks. But they were getting more attention. Being invited to rw home,shining MK shoes,mowing there grass. Sister's doing Tanya or Verna's personal shopping,cleaning there home's,baking food for them. Anything that they could afford to do and get IN GOOD With the SO CALLED leaders of ntcc.
ReplyDeleteThen there is the men squezzing in around rw's table at the fellowship hall. My husband did it a few time's. Was on the outskirts of the group. Heard very little and what he heard was not worth the time and energy!
I HATE BROWN NOSER'S,folks that KISS UP to get in good. If that was what it took to be a COMPANY MAN OR WOMAN. I decided while still in BS. I wanted no part of that. I did use to go to Tanya's to help clean. I did it to be a TRUE Blessing to her. But when a much,much younger sister thought it was her place to correct my cleaning. It was no longer enjoyable! sister's telling me not to look at the books I was dusting. Mike K. SEX books.
It is all about Favoritism's. Who can kiss the so called man of God or woman's shoes the most. The one's that are permanent fixture's in Washington right now. Winter's,Cardenus's,Perez. All have been kissing up for YEARS! They have gotten really good at it.
CM
If I WERE a Pastor at NTTC at one of their Churches I wouldn't want that Jackass even coming to visit, much less preach for me and that would go for any of the board members who would come and just visit me. If it is anything like it used to be all they know how to do is run people off that you work so hard just to get in.
ReplyDeleteNow, Now, Mark G, no profanity or you lower us to the same standard as NTCC!!
ReplyDeleteKeep Smiling!
Bro Johnson
Hello,
ReplyDeleteBrother or Sister from China!
Peace!!
Bro Johnson
Ok, That Jack-Buttocks.
ReplyDeleteGeez, The things I do to keep people happy.
The use of the word "asinine" or "ass" seems to be acceptable in the NTCC now. If you all remember, I was verbally called "asinine" by an NTCC pastor quite recently.
ReplyDeleteMark G. used the word "jackass", so I looked it up in the dictionary and the definition reads as follows: (a contemptibly foolish or stupid person; dolt; blockhead; ass.)
Read one of the dictionary definitions for the word "asinine": (of or like an ass, foolish; stupid.)
Here is a definition for the word "ass": (a stupid, foolish, or stubborn person.)
They are all quite similar!!! Now that you've read the definitions for all three words, think with your own head; not the head that both RWD and Kekel have brainwashed. If the word asinine is ok to be used by an NTCC "pastor", than it's also ok for old Mark G. to use the word jackass. For that matter there shouldn't be a problem with using the word ass being that it has the same meaning as the other two. Please correct me if I am wrong? Am I missing something?
We seem to be getting liberal around here. All I'm doing is following the NTCCs example. Six months ago I would have deleted the word "jackass". I didn't want to offend any good decent folks or NTCC folks for that matter. Well that all went out the door when I was called "asinine by a current NTCC pastor and he admitted to it. And then to top it all off NTCC Minister didn't see any problem with the use of such a word. The NTCC pastor should have just called me an "ass" instead of trying to sugarcoat it.
So lets hear some opinions folks; (NTCC and exNTCC) is it ok to use the words "asinine", "jackass", and "ass"? I'm asking this because they are all the SAME and one of your NTCC pastors called me asinine and Mark G referred to RWD as a "jackass".
I know that it wasn't acceptable to use "ANY" of these terms when I was in the NTCC so what is the consensus. Was the NTCC pastor wrong for calling me asinine and is Mark G wrong for calling RWD a jackass because they are once again both the same? Just some food for thought.
It's the NTCC who has condemned folks for the use of such terms for years. Condemn your very own pastor for calling me "asinine" you hypocrites because it is the same as "ass" and "jackass" thank you.
Jeff
I don't think it's wrong to say those things. I think most Christians don't use the word (ass) because a lot of people think of a part of human body when you say it. Also most sinners think it's a curse word so if a Christian says it they say your sinning. If you said it in the 1800s people would know you were referring to the animal and you were just saying they were stubborn.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI don't think it's wrong to say those things. I think most Christians don't use the word (ass) because a lot of people think of a part of human body when you say it. Also most sinners think it's a curse word so if a Christian says it they say your sinning.
Jeff replied...
You are exactly right. The NTCC leaders haven't taken that position though. They have said it is flat out sin while supporting an NTCC pastor who called me asinine. Once again a double standard. This is just another reason that I have such a problem with the NTCC.
Other churches aren't nearly as hypocritical as the NTCC. They don't run around judging every other church like the NTCC does. And then to top it all of the NTCC violates all the standards that they use to judge other church by.
On evening during fellowship, Ashmore did nothing other than talk about other churches for about one whole hour or more. He should have been focusing his attention on his own church. The NTCCs hypocrisy and double standards should have given Ashmore so much to worry about that he wouldn't have time to even think about the other churches.
Jeff
I have no problem with it. GO for it Jeff!
ReplyDeleteAlso I remember being told while still in NTCC that saying darn was the same as saying damn.. Well DAMN! I forgot to darn my sock!
Ok.. that was me being a smarty pants.
Well this sucks so I am gonna go suck on a sucker...
ok ok.. no really I'm done.. for now!
I gotta go to bed so I can work the graveyard shift... I work the graveyard shift so YOU don't have to!
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteI was being half facitious. The word Bastard is also in the Bible. So is damnable and damned, damnation.
In fact, faggot is not a curseword either. It MEANT back in the early 1900s a ciggarate. "Pardon me, do you have a Fag?"
ALSO the word gay has changed over the years, we now "ass"ociate it with a homosexual, but it use to mean beig happy.
I should get about 20 hits on this post!!
Bro Johnson
Oh, and Piss is OK to say too.
ReplyDeleteRemember the guy in the Bible who God killed because he pisseth against the wall?
Pardon me Madam, I have to go take a Piss. I am Pissed Off!!
Bro Johnson
Even though we have the liberty in Christ to talk this way (and we COULD do this),
ReplyDeleteI am still wise in my sayings least by any means I offend a weaker brother.
To the Pure all things are Pure!!
Bro Johnson
So, really RWD does not even know how to build a church, he just wants it done.
ReplyDeleteBut that cannot be case or he would not have been a Millionaire many times over.
Just think. You always wanted to meet a Millionaire. If you ever shook RWD's hand or Kekels, you met the "Millionaire next door".
Bro Johnson
Jeff and other bloggers,
ReplyDeleteI know your complaints regarding Rev. Kekels son have to do with NTCC and Kekel himself and not the kid. But after reading PDQ's recent post on the previous thread a thought occurred to me. I wondered if I googled the kids name what I would get. This blog is the third item that pops up. Now, I think it would be considerate to not post the kids name at all. Definitely not post his first and last name together. He has no dogs in this fight and cannot help who he was born to.
IMO
IMO, the previous poster made a good point. Lets refer to Kekels son as "Kekels son" or just "Grant". Unfortunately I think the damage has already been done but that doesn't mean we need to keep doing it. Kekels son is not in any way at fault for having nice things and advantages that other NTCC kids were denied.
ReplyDeletePlease don't post the kids first and last name together anymore. I will make a point not to do it either.
Sincerely,
Jeff
Can Grant take the blame for being a snob to most kids in ntcc. He has snubbed so many kids and acted better then even adults in ntcc. Walking around with his high and mighty mommy and daddy!
ReplyDeleteI can remember when he was 3-4 years old. Sitting off by himself in sunday school class. Knowing he would get away with whatever he wanted to do. And the teachers could do nothing about it!
I left before he got into HS. He was a brat then. I am sure he has not changed.
Once he gradaute's HS. Then he is not a child anymore! And what he does from then on,is FAIR GAME! Will he be like his father and Grandfather?
Angie wrote...
ReplyDeleteI have no problem with it. GO for it Jeff!
Jeff said...
I don't plan to start using words on this blog that even remotely resemble quote "curse words". I was just making a point when I posted the message regarding the word "jackass". If nothing else, it's just not the example I set for my children. I don't want my son running around saying, damn, sh--, as-, fbomb- or any of the rest. It becomes a habit when a person uses those type words too often and then those words are constantly coming out of their mouth.
I've seen it time and time again. Folks that throw a quote "curse word" in practically every sentence they put together. Like I said I was just making a valid point to the NTCC judges who would find fault with Mark G. for using the word jackass. My valid point was if you are going to find fault with Mark G then find fault with the NTCC pastor who called me asinine.
Jeff
Anonymous asked...
ReplyDeleteCan Grant take the blame for being a snob to most kids in ntcc?
Jeff replied...
Only to some degree. His parents are more so responsible for his actions than he is for sure. He only acted in such a fashion that his parents not only promoted but taught. That still isn't totally his fault. He only acted like his parents and Grandfather. I don't even know the kid nor do I want to but he is only partly responsible for his actions. You are however right in regard to him being totally responsible when he is an adult but I suspect none of us will know him then.
He will no doubt go away and attend college somewhere else and simply disappear into obscurity where the NTCC is concerned.
Just my guess. I do understand your point Anonymous.
Jeff
who cares if he is "brat". I wouldn't care if he had 666 tattooed on his skull. It is wrong to bad-mouth someones kid in a public venue.
ReplyDeletens
Where has Grant personally been badmouthed.
ReplyDeleteSpecial treatment has been pointed out. Time and time again. whagtever Mike K. wants for HIS SON. It was OK. but everyone had to follow the so called polcies.
No we cannot fault Grant for who his parents. No matter how EVIL they are.
I can not remember where anyone has made comments about Grant as a person,or his character.
CM
I, Personally don't know anything about the young man and I certainly can't fault him for taking advantage of his status. Not having had children, I can understand the animosity of parents out here who are angry at the thought of someone else being treated better than their children just because of their "status" in the church.
ReplyDeletePerhaps I'm more cynical than most, But it just occurs to me that color really doesn't matter anymore. (Red,Yellow,Black,or White) What does matter is M-O-N-E-Y. In this Country if you have money you can do virtually anything you want to, and get away with pretty much anything you want to. Justice in NOT BLIND,and her favorite color seems to be GREEN!!!
ns said...
ReplyDeletewho cares if he is "brat". I wouldn't care if he had 666 tattooed on his skull. It is wrong to bad-mouth someones kid in a public venue.
Jeff said...
You mean the way that NTCC pastors preached at peoples children for years while using their church building as a quote "public venue"? Make no mistake ns; the NTCCs atrocities are far worse than folks on this blog highlighting the fact that the NTCC CEO afforded his son privileges that were denied to almost every other NTCC child. Folks here want people to know that we were taught that all these things that are being allowed now were considered sins punishable by eternal damnation.
As a result most of us denied our children the privileges that have been afforded to the Son of the NTCC CEO all along. It's no mystery that we are talking about Kekels son.
NTCC pastors have called folks out by name all along and isn't that what you call bad mouthing someones kid at a public venue? They have done the same thing to children of NTCC church members. Judge them.
Were not the ones who traveled the earth and sea to invite one person out to church just so we could dog them the minute they didn't follow our rules that our own children violated.
Jeff
They have done the same thing to children of NTCC church members. Judge them.
ReplyDeleteThat is 100% correct. We are not to touch the annointed Grandson. I havw witnessed RW davis walk up to a kid all gruff and mean. Ask him where he got the gameboy and was he playing that in Church. The Mother was horrified and ashamed. That her son was being called out in front of everyone at the fellowship hall. She tried to tell rw that the gameboy was in the car and got it out after Church. It was GK's enertainment at the fellowship hall.
Until he started playing his gameboy there. No kids dared to do that. Now kids are playing sports. When we ALL KNOW,they would have never dared to sign there kids up for any sport or ANY extra activity. Wether it be the chess club, a science group,french club,ect. Anything extra like that was shunned. And without verbally saying anything,we all knew it was off limits.
Mike K. has called up a person's child on the phone. and berated him.
But heaven forbid,we actually say anything negative about GK! What has he done wrong? What did ANY of our kids do wrong? To have what they thought were the men of God picking on them. Making them feel embarrassed and ashamed! To bad GK could not have a little taste of what our kids went through.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteBut heaven forbid,we actually say anything negative about GK! What has he done wrong? What did ANY of our kids do wrong? To have what they thought were the men of God picking on them. Making them feel embarrassed and ashamed! To bad GK could not have a little taste of what our kids went through.
Jeff said...
Amen. Preach Anon. That is exactly the way I feel. I appreciate you using initials and not whole names. No one will Google his name by using the initials MK or GK. Good job.
Jeff
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteI know how NTCC has treated children, mine included. I am not saying it is right and its okay in how they were treated. What I am saying(and signing my name to it)is we definitely can take the high road here when it comes to children.
Nellashara
Nellashara, I understand your point. That is why I suggested that we not use the young mans full name. The biggest grievance that most of us exNTCC parents have is that we denied "OUR" children the same privileges that GK was afforded all along. We feel bad and guilty about that and it bothers us. We tried to do the right thing and it backfired on us while simultaneously MK repeatedly broke RWDs rules that we obeyed.
ReplyDeleteThen to add insult to injury guess who got the last laugh? MK, TK and GK when MK told us that the laws/rules were no more than suggested policies that never had to be obeyed from the get go.
Many of us will never totally get over that. Because we trusted them, the NTCC leadership was able to take a part of our children s life away that us parents can't EVER give back. That is a hard pill to swallow.
So I understand your point about the high road but that still doesn't prevent the need for the facts to be revealed, and you can't reveal facts without naming people. Almost every time that we don't name people the NTCC folks call us liars when we don't give explicit examples. When we say that an NTCC child was given a break they say, "prove it and give us names or your lying". So they back us up to a wall and guess what happens? We come out swinging with everything we got and the biggest weapon that we happen to have that highlights the NTCCs double standards is the Kekel family.
Well they only happen to have one child so like I always say, it is what it is. He was playing sports during the exact time that my daughter was being denied gym participation. He was wearing shorts and tight football pants during the exact time that my daughter could not participate in gym because she had to dress all conservative. We were told to make a stand against conformity and we did, during the exact same time frame that the Kekels were conforming to secular society.
My daughter is a Junior and GK is a Senior so while GK was getting a free pass to ignore the NTCCs rules my daughter was REQUIRED to be obedient to the same rules that GK was breaking because his dad, who is the big CEO, allowed it. As Rambo said, "They drew first blood".
Jeff
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteGK? Ha Ha! I have a name for him: GQ!!!
Here is where I have a bone to pick with GQ: Houston, we have a problem in GQ, I mean Graham, Washington.
GQ KNOWS better. He sees the facade. He knows the difference between right and wrong. Yet, he and he alone, along wih no doubt the blessing from MLK (Ha! How about that acronym, Jeff :) was an active participant in those sports.
GQ COULD have said no to sports. He could have REBELLED like a lot of preachers kids do in NTCC. The only reason why he did not is that he can smell the money just like MLK. He is not stupid.
No doubt, MLK sat down with GQ one day at a Bluegrass festival and put his around around GQ and exclaimed, "Son, one day, all of THIS will be yours!!" Kind of reminds me of satan showing Jesus the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
Now, lets go back in time. Think outside the box, using GQ as our prime example. If he said NO and did not partake of those things that he did, MLK would have a much harder time with change and reform within NTCC.
So he chose to do it with stealth and sneak change right on in, and then state to us all, "Wow! You Guys misunderstood me all of these years. Everything I preached were suggestions, not policies!!! OMG!!!!!
Imagine you JUST got an invite to go to NTCC. Would you go? I would! NTCC is HIP now! Don't you get it Dude and Dudets? NTCC is like, Cool, Mann!
Not knowing anything about the history of the organization, not knowing anybody, NTCC will milk me for all I am worth!!
Bro Johnson
Bro J. said...
ReplyDeleteGQ KNOWS better
Jeff said...
I know of no child that would rather have a bunch of sorry rules and sit through yet another of the many NTCC services vs having fun! No kid would pick another burdensome rule over basket ball, football, fun, DVDs and so on and so on. GK only did what any other kid would have done and that is exactly what his father allowed and provided for.
I respectfully have to disagree with you on this one Bro J. You can't blame the kid. GK couldn't possibly disown his dad. That is not even reasonable to expect. Only Jesus was about his Fathers business as a child and further more the NTCC is not even the "Fathers Business" anyway!!! It is RWDs and MKs business. I would never expect any child to want anything other than to have fun which is exactly what GK did. You really truly can't blame GK. My daughter would have done the same if my wife and I would have allowed her. The difference between me and MK is I attempted to follow the NTCCs rules and MK just said forget it.
The other difference is when I no longer planned to follow the NTCCs rules, I no longer planned to remain a part of the NTCC. MK has no problem with being a practicer of double standards while remaining in the NTCC. Once again J. you can't blame GK. Offer any kid fun or yet another burdensome rule and see which one they pick? I will pay you 100 to 1 odds if even one kid out of 100 picks the sorry rules over fun!!!
Jeff
Again,
ReplyDeletewhere has Grant been attacked,personally. Some come on here saying we should take the high road. I have not read anyone tearing Grant up. BUT THE DOUBLE STANDARDS!
Give an example or shut up! He has not been attacked.
My DD is a teenager. They do get a MIND OF THERE OWN! teenager's do rebel. Yes Grant is responsible. We started going to movie's while in ntcc. was deathly afraid my child would let it escape that we were doing things that were not allowed!
ReplyDeleteGrant has been watching DVD's,playing sports... And never said a thing to anyone. He hide the secret as well!
SO YES HE CAN TAKE SOME OF THE BLAME FOR the double standards. Knowing his father and mother are Hypocrite's!
ntcc is OF THE WORLD> Wants to be like the world. Look like the world. try to be hype and cool like the world. Listening to worldy music. Just because they still dress in the 1960's style. Does not make them holiness!!
ReplyDeleteLOOPHOLE's!
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteMy DD is a teenager. They do get a MIND OF THERE OWN! teenager's do rebel. Yes Grant is responsible.
Jeff said...
My teenager also has a mind of her own and she periodically does rebel without doubt. Having said that she is still only allowed to do what we let her. She doesn't have a play station because we haven't bought her one. She still lives in our house and it's not hers. She only does what we let her do. There are still rules around here that she has to follow.
She doesn't go out with boys. I can't watch her while she is in school but when she is out of school it's a whole different story. If I didn't want her playing basket ball or football, (which she doesn't play anyway) then she would play; period. If I didn't want her running around in a certain type of clothing than she wouldn't wear that type.
GK only did what his mom and dad allowed him to do. Doesn't matter if he has a mind of his own and it doesn't matter if he rebelled. He couldn't say quote, "I'm wearing shorts, tight pants, playing all kinds of sports and watching DVDs, using a Nintendo and you can't stop me". They could stop him if they wanted to but they didn't and not only that the Kekels promoted all those things. He can think all he wants to, but if Kekel and Tanya didn't allow him to do certain things than he wouldn't have done them.
That is why RWD is also partly responsible. RWD knowingly allowed the Kekel family to break the rules that the rest had to follow. RWD could have pulled Kekels ministers license but he didn't and not only that he didn't want to. RWD stood up in conference and told everyone just who great Kekel was. RWD truly never had a problem with any of that stuff because when it comes down to it, it all goes back to one thing, MONEY.
It was never about holiness, it was always about money. Getting people to separate themselves from the world (other than the Kekels) and blindly dedicate themselves to the NTCC meant a constant flow of MONEY. Kekel was never in jeopardy of leaving the NTCC anyway because he was the beneficiary of the money. Kekel could be like the rest of the world and still happily remain with the NTCC because RWD never had to worry about him leaving the NTCC anyway so holiness with Kekel never mattered. However the NTCC so called holiness is what kept us with the NTCC because we thought we were different and therefor needed to remain part of this phony, so called holiness group.
We will have to agree to disagree but I can't blame GK for what his parents could have prevented if they really wanted to. GK's parents not only didn't want to prevent GK from participating in certain activities, they promoted certain activities which were preached against by RWD and practically every other NTCC pastor in existence.
Once again, show me a "ONE" kid that would pick a bunch of burdensome rules over having fun? I don't believe you could find one.
Jeff
Anonymous asked...
ReplyDeleteWhere has Grant been attacked, personally?
Jeff replied...
What someone said is that if you Google GK's name, what you come up with is this blog third on the list. That is why a few of us decided not to write his full name anymore. I agree that GK shouldn't receive any potential negative ramifications for his parents actions. He only did what they allowed him to do and he actually didn't do anything wrong.
GK didn't make the NTCCs rules, RWD did. MK just systematically broke them one by one to benefit not only himself but GK. You can't blame GK for that. Even thought MK is a double standard hypocrite, that still doesn't mean that the activities that he allowed GK to participate in are wrong. It just means that MK and TK are double standard hypocrites.
A double standard hypocrite doesn't make an activity wrong; participating in the very activity that was preached against especially when you are the "CEO, President, and Senior Pastor" makes that person a double standard hypocrite.
That folks is the real problem. The Kekels want all the glory but none of the gorey. None of the moving around, or the pioneer works, or the financial struggles, or the rules. Those things are for everyone else. It's totally despicable and if you are an NTCC pastor reading this and you don't agree you are blind as a bat!!!!
Jeff
"Give an example or shut up! He has not been attacked."
ReplyDeletethis is sounding a little Ntcc-ish don't you think?
to me this person that said we needed to back off of GK. Sounded like we had attacked the poor defenseless little boy. That same boy that snubbed and look down on so many ntccer's kids.
ReplyDeleteI guess we can pray that he will change his attitude and way of thinking. He is NO BETTER then ANY of the kids in ntcc. Money does not make you better then another person. It is how you treat people. And how does ntcc treat people/ LIKE TRASH. When there done with the wrapper they toss it into the garbage. Just like ntcc has done to SOO many good folks!
Again,why should we have kids gloves with GK. And our kids were not allowed much of a childhood. Were humilated in front of people by rw davis. Most were scared of there own shadow's. Afraid to talk in public,run around,play. BE KIDS! They had to sit there,be quiet,be an EXAMPLE for all the kids in the church.
While GK lays on the floor at conference with a bed made for him.
Just more DOUBLE STANDARDS!
while we were in ntcc, our kids were not off limits to comments, preaching over the pulpit, disparaging remarks and obnoxious predictions.
ReplyDeletewhat goes around comes around.
Grant Kekel's parent probably should have considered the outcome of there behavior before they decided to worship at the altar of mammon. In the Old Testament times the children of Israel would worship Mammon(money) and Ashtaroth(sex) then take there unwanted children and sacrifice them at the altar of Molech...the drums were beaten to drown out the screams of the children burning on the altar. the same happens today as parents live for themselves and the children are sacrificed
ReplyDeletesincerely,
T
I remember my son, and another fella's daughter being bullied by Davis, to the point of making both children cry. I'd like to see him do that again...
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
ReplyDeleteAgain,why should we have kids gloves with GK. And our kids were not allowed much of a childhood. Were humiliated in front of people by RW Davis.
Jeff said...
Anyone who has read this blog any length of time knows that I have taken the kid gloves off as much as anyone and I've been doing it for quite some time. I've done it not only here but also on Tracy's blog and Factnet. I also know as well as anyone what type of humiliation is initiated in the NTCC by not only RWD but at least half of his pastors.
Having said that It doesn't mean that I need to act the same way. I don't care if GK was and is a stuck up kid as people here have suggested. My beef is not with, nor will it be with GK. My beef has been and will remain with his parents and grand parents. My beef is not with the children in the NTCC it is with the adults. Now when those children grow up and become legal adults, and if they become willful participants in the NTCCs debacle, then at that time I will have a beef with them also. If GK becomes a minister in the NTCC I will have a huge problem with him. If he becomes a soul winner as an adult I will have a problem with him. But until he graduates high school I will not hold him responsible for his actions.
I'm not like the NTCC creeps that like blasting folks kids. I'm not like RWD and his sorry pastors nor do I want to be. I could care less what GK does, my problem is with his parents. If GK sticks his nose up at other children, then the parents of the other children should openly tell their children in front of GK, Mike and Tanya to have nothing to do with GK.
I don't even know if I have ever met GK. I'm almost three times his age and I never lived in Graham so I wouldn't have known if I ever did come in contact with him at a conference for example. I wouldn't have been too interested in him, that's for sure. I was never interested in talking to Mike Kekel or his wife or Olson. Those guys never impressed me.
I used to like LD Jones and Kinson but now I see them as enablers and consequently hypocrites. I've seen LD Jones show his true colors anyway. He likes the bully pulpit just like the rest of them.
I'm not putting GK off limits here on this blog by any measure however I'm a true man who sticks by his convictions and I have no problem giving my opinion even if it's unpopular. For those who believe that GK is a responsible party, that's fine but I don't have to agree. The fact is I see GK as a kid that is only about 1% responsible for his actions. In my opinion his parents are responsible for the other 99% of his actions. I see him 100% responsible for his actions the minute he graduates from high school and especially when he turns 18 years of age. That goes without saying because in many states that is the law anyway.
For the most part this is an open blog until I feel that someone has gotten too carried away and then I have been know to delete comments however I certainly don't do it (perportionally) very often.
Jeff
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI remember my son, and another fella's daughter being bullied by Davis, to the point of making both children cry. I'd like to see him do that again...
Jeff said...
I truly understand your passion Anonymous but please be more careful with what you write on this blog. Of course you know I deleted a portion of your comment. I wouldn't allow those guys to verbally abuse my family anymore for any reason and if it happened I would certainly get quite vocal IMMEDIATELY, but there are certain things that I just don't write on this blog. Now of course if anyone ever put their hands on one of my family members it would be on, and folks can read into that however they want to. Touch my little boy who is unable to protect himself? That would be a very, very unwise move.
Please consider Anonymous. Thank you.
Jeff
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteThank you for once again helping me see the big picture outside of the box.
I agree, GK or GQ, or just "G!!" is off limits until he graduates from high school.
He really has not done anything wrong, he is just benifiting from his hippy critical parents not living how they preach and who are not preaching how they live.
The son is not responsible for his Father's sins.
Kekel has blurred the line between Godliness and Worldliness.
Let he who is holy be holy still. Let he who is a sinner be a sinner still!
I can see how we can all get bent out of shape over G, The best thing anyone can do is pray for him, maybe God if He has not already forsaken NTCC will have mercy one more time and raise up G to undo his father's compromise.
Keep your heads up everyone! NTCC is winning! and the devil does not like it, but thats all right, all right!!!
Bro Johnson
T,
ReplyDeleteAren't you the one that is sensitive about posting their own name due to family members being in the Org? Yet, you have no problem posting the full name of a minor on an open forum like this. You sir strike me as a double-standard hypocrite that has no problem desiring one set of standards for his own family without offering the same courtesy to others.
Nunya
Nunya wrote...
ReplyDeleteAren't you the one that is sensitive about posting their own name due to family members being in the Org? Yet, you have no problem posting the full name of a minor on an open forum like this.
Jeff responded...
Now it is you who needs to be sincere Nunya. I'm sure that you fully understand why T doesn't want to post his name. He is concerned that the NTCCs leadership will systematically blacklist his family member. The NTCC leadership is notorious for such conduct. It's not like the NTCC leadership is going to blacklist GK regardless of what T writes so you have failed to compare apples with apples.
GK won't ever have to worry about getting blacklisted by the NTCC as long is his father and grandfather are in charge. For that matter I'm sure Kinson and Olson wouldn't allow it either. They however could care less about T's family member and T knows this, and that is why T doesn't want to reveal his own name because it would put his family member in jeopardy. The family member would wind up getting the cold shoulder and the third degree. That is the way the NTCC operates. "If you don't like it here there is the door and don't let it hit you on your backside on the way out".
Come on Nunya, there is a big difference there between T's situation and GK's. Having said that I do think we should endeavor to refrain from posting GK's full name so that this blog doesn't become the first thing someone finds if they google his name. I can't stand the NTCC but I don't believe that GK deserves that regardless of what the NTCC has done.
My agenda here is for folks to get the truth about the NTCC. My agenda is not to cause GK any future heartache. I have no beef with GK what so ever. GK never caused one NTCC pastor to abuse anyone. GK may have been a result of the double standard but GK didn't create or cause the double standard. His elders created the double standard. He simply benefited from it and can't blame him one bit. I wish I wouldn't have followed the NTCC rules and laws. It's a hard pill to swallow but when it comes right down to it I was the sucker. But guess what: for a sucker to exist there must first be a con man who cons the sucker. The NTCC is full of con men. Just because someone is a sucker, that doesn't make the con man right. The NTCC is still wrong no matter how you look at it. As I've said over and over, I don't blame GK but Nunya, you were still wrong about T because when it comes right down to it GK will be quite fine whether someone goggles his name or not. Out of purely good decency I just don't prefer to have GK's name associated with that kind of stigma.
GK has his whole life ahead of him and he has not lost one thing to the NTCC. Many other people have lost and wasted half or more of their lives, to the NTCC. Give me all the years back that I have wasted with the NTCC and I would gladly take a blog being attached to my name when some tried to google me. I see both sides but I still think it's best if we don't write the young mans full name on here anymore. I will likely start deleting it if I see GK's full name pop up. Now when he becomes an adult, and if he gets a free ride like his father did with the NTCC, the kids gloves will quite rapidly come off. I hope folks understand the points that I've made here? I'm not trying to be a politician but this is how I feel. If I was trying to be a politician, this blog wouldn't even exist.
Jeff