On Mike Kekel's blog Mike Kekel wrote..."**No April,that is a fallacy. We maintain accurate records of the monthly support sent to Missionaries, and none of them have ever been forgotten. If you are referring to Casey Hayes and some of the things he said on Jeff Collins' Blog, no wonder. He wasn't forgotten, he was receiving support from the org AND WORKING a job, and still told everyone he was starving there. He tried to push the Cespedes' into "upgrading" their life and spending money on better furniture, criticizing their things, while he was moving to the "highlands" and putting his kids in the nicest music schools, etc. He NEVER got a building, never started a church, in all those years. The other Bro and Sis didn't get that, so they started their own thing and had a building, services and people in a few months. Casey Hayes stayed there in Puerto Rico for a few more years, and only went to their services ONCE. He wouldn't even go to church with them. He was flying to Florida with the boss, and golfing, etc. So now, how is that NTCC's fault? He should have been cut off really, but who knew? When he got back here, he told me he'd never seen such an outpouring of love. He posted to Collins' Blog that he saw NO love. Uh..? When the support money ran out, (money raised from NTCC people for Casey's endeavors,) it went red to the tune of 40k, just to keep it going. Now someone doesn't know what they are saying. What you call NTCC Fog, is the clouds that you see, and we're up above them in the sunshine."
Jeff responded with facts....
I talked to Casey Hayes and found out that some of what Mike Kekel wrote about him was ABSOLUTE lies. Now there are four possible options here. Either Mike Kekel willfully wrote an outright lie, or Mike Kekel was told an outright lie, or the story became an outright lie after it became completely distorted due to the grape vine, or Mike Kekel's recollection absolutely stinks and through simple minded ignorance he tells outright lies. Which ever the case, Mike Kekel wrote absolute falsehoods i.e. lies about Casey Hayes.
I asked Casey FOUR times if he played Golf in Florida and he absolutely said NO. I asked Casey so many times that it almost became insulting to him. I literally questioned him because I wanted true facts and I listened very carefully to his answers. He said that he never played golf even one time during the entire time he was in Puerto Rico or anywhere else say no less Florida. Casey simply did not play golf during the entire time-frame which was referenced by Mike Kekel so what Mike Kekel wrote was an an outright lie.
Casey also said that he suggested to the Cespedes that they "DIDN'T" spend their money, not the other way around so that was also an outright lie. He said that he suggested that they hold on to their money because it was expensive to live in Puerto Rico. Mike got that one completely backwards. Mike said that Casey had his children in the quote "nicest" music schools and Casey said that that his daughter was in a public school that taught music and the school was absolutely free unlike the school that Grant Kekel goes to at a cost of approximately $20,000 a year. You want to talk about the pot calling the kettle black.
Mike Kekel said that the Cespedes got a building and services started but what Mike didn't tell you is that the Cespedes showed up to Puerto Rico with well over $10,000 at their disposal. According to Casey the amount reported to him was $14,000 that the Cespedes showed up with but don't take that to the bank because if the amount was actually $14,175 then Mike Kekel would get all rapped up with semantics and say that Casey was a liar so just know that the Cespedes showed up with a bunch of money that Casey Hayes didn't have. Therefore it shouldn't come as any surprise that the Cespedes were able to "AFFORD" a building. I don't know if the money was their own money or given by the NTCC, but the fact is that they reported to Casey that they showed up with about $14,000 US Dollars.
If you know Casey Hayes you know that he is one of the most happy go lucky guys that you will ever meet and he is very easy to get along with and Casey said that the Cespedes didn't even want to fellowship with Casey and his family so naturally Casey didn't want anything to do with them either. This next part is part speculation but I'm convinced that the NTCC leadership no doubt told the Cespedes that Casey was considered by them to be a dead beat so it comes as no surprise that the Cespedes showed up to Puerto Rico with a chip on their shoulder under the notion that they were sent there to save the day.
The NTCC is full of ministers that according to their controlling standards never did anything for God but the people they slander and smear are the ones who have left. Oberhauser received a congregation from Hunt of approximately 70 - 80 people or more and Oberhauser successfully knocked the congregation down to about 10 or less because of his lack of leadership skills while listening to Briggs poor guidance. I don't see Kekel starting a thread to discredit him? If he left the NTCC and had anything bad to say about the leadership then Kekel would slam him also. Tell me I'm lying? The only people who Mike writes about by name in a negative manner are the people who leave!!!! Go figure that one. Now you got the "Rest Of The Story".
Kekel simply wrote lies. Much of what Mike wrote wasn't even half truths and the majority of what remained was little more at best then a half truth. The only thing he wrote that was true is that Casey wasn't successful at building a church. Well join the club because that ain't no strange occurrence in the NTCC. Casey wanted to go to Connecticut in the first place anyway and RWD wouldn't have it because Casey had family that lived in the area. If the NTCC leadership wasn't so lousy they wouldn't have sent Casey there in the first place. Casey had been with the NTCC for about 20 years and they hadn't figured out yet that he wasn't some super pioneer church builder? Casey is one of my best friends but it is what it is and that is not an insult. The NTCC leadership dropped the ball on that one so they shouldn't blame their placement error on anyone but themselves. Oh I almost forgot; I thought it was God who told RWD to send Casey there in the first place. I guess God is the one who messed up. RWD better stop asking God where to send his people because in the case of Casey Hayes, according to Mike Kekel a mistake must have been made.
Get some of that Mikey and I didn't get it from the old devil either. You make the devil a whole lot more happy than I do. The devil wishes that I would shut down this blog because he likes the fact that you guys are misleading so many people with all your kooky rules that we are regularly exposing right here. We are messing up the devils game. I took that page right out of your NTCC super spiritual rhetoric book.
Kekel simply wrote lies. Much of what Mike wrote wasn't even half truths and the majority of what remained was little more at best then a half truth. The only thing he wrote that was true is that Casey wasn't successful at building a church. Well join the club because that ain't no strange occurrence in the NTCC. Casey wanted to go to Connecticut in the first place anyway and RWD wouldn't have it because Casey had family that lived in the area. If the NTCC leadership wasn't so lousy they wouldn't have sent Casey there in the first place. Casey had been with the NTCC for about 20 years and they hadn't figured out yet that he wasn't some super pioneer church builder? Casey is one of my best friends but it is what it is and that is not an insult. The NTCC leadership dropped the ball on that one so they shouldn't blame their placement error on anyone but themselves. Oh I almost forgot; I thought it was God who told RWD to send Casey there in the first place. I guess God is the one who messed up. RWD better stop asking God where to send his people because in the case of Casey Hayes, according to Mike Kekel a mistake must have been made.
Get some of that Mikey and I didn't get it from the old devil either. You make the devil a whole lot more happy than I do. The devil wishes that I would shut down this blog because he likes the fact that you guys are misleading so many people with all your kooky rules that we are regularly exposing right here. We are messing up the devils game. I took that page right out of your NTCC super spiritual rhetoric book.
Jeff
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteKekel is offically on Crack. Check out what he wrote on his blog:
"But these X-ers have been flying under the radar long enough, creeping among you, ostensibly as your friends, while sowing discord and driving wedges. It is high time for NTCC’ers to realize that these serpents hanging in nearby trees need to be grabbed by the tail and yanked out, and removed from the garden. Remember, no one can control your Facebook but you."
Funny how he is Upping the Ante, so to say!
Bro Johnson
Bro it ain't crack. He has been kissing his father in laws butt for so long that the stench has effected his brain. I guess I can't blame him though. I'd probably kiss his butt also he was lining my pockets with dough and 39 acres of land because I married his daughter.
ReplyDeleteFolks would think I was on crack. Not a bad deal having a house full of women (other men's wives) to clean my dirty under-ware and the rest of my house. Hey, Ho, Hey, Ho. Uh, Uh, Uh. Go Mike, Go Mike, Go Mike. He likes big butts and you can not lie you other brothers can not deny. Go Mike, Go Mike, Go Mike.
Jeff
Next up on the Dispatch: Sex Scandals in the NTCC!
ReplyDeleteSome heads should roll on that one!
You kill me with that "Big Butts" routine, brother! Ha!
Even white boys got to shout! Baby got Back!!
Bro Johnson
Now Mike is saying he is going to open the books to the public. After he WOULD not show it to the Bruce Smith. These books have NEVER been showed to anyone before.
ReplyDeleteNot sure if it was this way for others. When we left to go out into a "work" The books were handed over. And very little explanation on what to do. You leave on your own,with your own money. Get to the city. And somehow supposed to have first and last months rent to get into a home. Find a job out of thin air. Getting NO HELP from ntcc. On how to get started,help getting started.
So many other Churches HELP there minister's. With financial and also support. On what to do as a first time minister in a work for God.
THEN,you go to them with questions. Still asking for help. What do you get. Brother,go and pray about it. What in the world! Go and pray about it. In the meantime,you still don't know what your doing. Like pulling a rabbit out of the hat.
It means a little,but not a WHOLE lot for mike to open the books. there is SOO many more aspects of this controlling cult. That Mike is not going to address. Instead he will dodge,deflect,damage control it. Until he is sure that the folks in ntcc are "on board" "still in","part of the team" and they say they got no jargon!LOL
CM
Not just Casey H. being forgotten. What about the Rodriguizes(sp) totally left to fend for themselve's! Not even having a bed to sleep on,shoes for sister Rodtriguizes. There health care needs,ntcc cared less.
ReplyDeleteUs that are out and so called haters. Wanted to take up a offerring and send it to them. While they were in WA for some fake conference. But she did not want to take it. FEAR!
CM
It's really so simple- I attend a Calvary Chapel, started by Chuck Smith in the 60's and used mightily of God. When someone feels called to pastor a church Chuck would tell them to pray and find our where God is calling them, go there, work a job, start a HOME Bible study and see if it grows.
ReplyDeleteNTCC wants to controll where these guys go, what they make, the money (escrow accts)
Calvary Chapels are all distinct Corporations, the only way they are tied to Costa Mesa (chucks church) is by holding to the key doctrines that Calvary adheres to!
They dont tithe to Costa Mesa, or have an escrow acct that goes back to Costa Mesa. its all very simple- its your church, now run it the right way!!
They will investigate a problem if people are complaining about some particular thing
Chuck's philosophy is "where God guides, God provides" he was secure enough to understand that principle and live by it
He was not a greedy charlatan who masquerades as a shephered like davis and kekel- they are the offscouring of the world, the filthiest most vile people who ever lived on this planet are those who take advantage of and steal from God's sheep- God have mercy on them, they are going to need it!!!!
NTCC constantly bashes homosexuals- they are sinners who need to be saved, JUST LIKE US!!!
NTCC views homosexuals as people who cannot be saved, when in reality the higher ups in ntcc are probably not able to be saved because they are false shepherds
Back to Calvary Chapel's philosophy: why not let these guys go out on there own and prove the call of god rather than be pushed around by the greedy men in Graham?
just a thought....
T
Bro J. said...
ReplyDeleteEven white boys got to shout! Baby got Back!!
Jeff said...
LOL, ROTFL!!! Role on the floor laughing. You are crazy Bro. I can tell you and I have the same nutty sense humor because I'm laughing right now and I can just imagine you doing the same. That is too funny. Sir Mix A Lot. Ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Old Mike Kekel might not be too bad after all. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Even Mike has got to shout, Baby got Back. Ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!
Jeffrey The Nut
"Now Mike is saying he is going to open the books to the public..."
ReplyDeleteWhich books would those be--the cooked ones?
Exactly Vic. I don't put anything past those guys in the NTCC. They used to have me fooled but not anymore. Too many stories have been told that all match each other.
ReplyDeleteJeff
"the cooked ones" yup. Afterall, honest book-keeping is a thing of the past like dressing modestly. It's really "just a formality" when you change a number or two...
ReplyDeleteJeff, I think Mike took down his post about Casey. I could be wrong, but you should check. I am laughing thinking about him reading this blog and going "Oh crap... they posted the researchable facts! Dang! Better take down that one. Let's see.... how can I slam the ex-ers now?"
ReplyDeletejm
I was the one who left the comment for Kekel to open the books.
ReplyDeleteDid not mean to open up a can of worms, I posted as ANON, but it really does not matter.
Kekel stated that he would open the books. Imagine that! Little old me forcing the hand of the Multi Millionaire.
Bro Johnson
Jeff: I was wondering where is the one who supposedly is going to take over the org., olson, in all this.
ReplyDeleteThey sure are keeping him under the radar in all this fiasco.
I know that there has been some speculation going on when olson's wife was mad at the dennis debacle and stated to many, many, that davis did know in fact what was going on. I don't know if with this info maybe the holy ghost doesn't want olson as the #1 man in ntcc, supposedly.
blovd
P.S.
ReplyDeleteI was wondering Jeff, why won't this reporter really get into the finances by googling the pastors of the churches in the org. and see how many of those pastors are in debt? I don't think you will have to dig really deep to see that many are really in the brink of bankruptcy, but well, you know, next week, they are going to be winning!
Then go and tithe and offerrings from one income. Nope,it will never happen. ANON is skipping over everything to get to a person's giving. When that is at the bottom of the barrel. Let's just ignore everyone's testimonies of there true stories. That they lived. and lets pick apart there giving. As if you know they had grumbling while in ntcc. or since leaving!I have attended a Church where a bucket is left at the entrance for giving. And seen more giving,without passing a plate. Because they are giving from there HEART. As is stated in the Bible! some give,just to look spiritual. look how much I gave. Whoopty-Do! so much pride is there!
ReplyDeleteKeep those blinders up and that fog thick!
This is sad, isn't it? I think SHE is talking about "how much she gave," and I guess buckets ARE more spiritual than plates; is it because they hold more?
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\Mike can not comprehend COMMON SENSE conversations. Her reads into things,TWIST the conversation. So he can mock you,make up lies's. See's what he wants to see and that is it.
This statement was about a church that put a CONTAINER by the entrance or exit. It is left up to an individual how much they want to give,when they can give..... He picked up and stuck with the size of the container. OMG! How hilarious is that. ntcc would rather stick that plate in front of everyone. GUILT you into giving. So they keep there pockets lined!
Where in that segment was it mentioned about HOW much I Gave?
As I look back. We gave in EVERY offerring,pledge was taken up. We payed into every single pledge. We did give until it hurt. Hurt us financially and hurt our family! POLITICS<> they don't like a certain person and the TRUTH that they are sharing. So lets start SMEARING there name. MAKE UP LIE's like these one's. And his litmus test,how much a person worked in one of there FAKE PIONEER works! Yes,Mike K. he works SOOOO hard. So much harder then those poor suckers out working two-three jobs to even make ends meet! He is so much more smarter with his (churches) money then other minister's,. He knows how to handle his finances. But the other poor saps in ntcc just waste there money!! That is what you will hear come out of his mouth. and many other brainwashed victims of ntcc.
He was dirt poor when he married Tanya K. Then he has a house,comfortable living. But that was not enough. he needed an even BIGGER home,fanciery cars,expensive school for his son. ONLY the BEST for RW Davis's family!
Why I mention money. That is ntcc LITMUS Test. If your a "leader" you have no debt,you have money,drive a nice vechile,nice but ugle outdated cloths. It is All VAIN. For looks!
Sure he can give a bundle of cash. Since others fund his and his families lifestyle! Sitting at a desk,when you come in at NINE AM in the morning or later. Putting up a sound system. That others do the grunt work for you. So you look so important rushing around at conference. your sooo spiritual,you such a hard worked Mike. AS IF!
Call him to get permission at 8AM! He will still be in Bed! I can stay up quite late,and I still got to get up before 7AM!
So WHO GIVES the most/ Mike K. who sits on his bottom and does diddle squat. or the minister and family out in a work. Like we were. Giving our ENTIRE lives to the work!MMMMMMMMM!
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteJeff, I think Mike took down his post about Casey.
Nope it is still there and the Wrights are leaving comments under that topic.
I'm sure it won't go away. Someone is lying like a rug on that subject.
kekel's comments on Casey Hayes are still on his blog in "The POOF is in the offering plate"
ReplyDeleteHowever, there is a group of x'ers that have also become "haters" of NTCC. It is evident that this group of people does not even realize that their own speech testifies against them. They scornfully spew out all manner of filth against NTCC leaders and various teachings...claiming to be doing this as a favor to God...so as to prevent others from getting "ensnared" by this church...BUT, they will allow their bitterness towards NTCC to grow and manifest itself...so that it eventually defiles their whole body!! Are they really doing God any favors?
ReplyDeleteIt is this very group of people I sincerely tried to encourage to forgive instead of being bitter...and they were not willing to allow themselves to heal. Rather, they were extremely rude and began cursing at me. I realized at this point...I have said what was on my heart, and to continue to communicate in that particular venue would be unwise and not within the will of God for me...and I have learned and understand that many people take comfort in being bitter. Some scriptures that came to my mind were...(Reprove not a scorner, lest he hate thee)...and (an heretick after the first and second admonition, reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself
Rebecca is at it again.
She so thinks she is so high and mighty. That she is above reproach. She really is nothing but a kiss up. Look down her nose at us kind of person. She shows her true colors time and time again. Here she is on Mike K. Blog. Putting down anyone that goes out of there way to expose this CULT! But we are hater's,EXER's. Anything BUT doing Gods will to prevent others from being caught in ntcc FAKE LOVE trap!
She will get it someday. The brainwashing learning has not left her ,YET!
Hye, Rebecca,that hateful scorn. Is folks TRUE LIFE STORIES> So if it sounds horrible,hateful. it is what People Lived and are now sharing there experiences. Because you MAY not have experienced them. DOES NOT mean it did not happen. I myself had a rather mild experience compared to many others. I still am married,they did not split my marriage up. Was close,but we did not claim bankruptcy! My children are doing well mentally. Many kids have ALOT of horrible baggage they are dealing with.
What would help Rebecca. Is if,she would read and NOT JUDGE! IF she really truely listened and not jump to her own conculsions. She would really see what people lived! And it IS NOT JUST A FEW! It is MANY,MANY people that have been and still are being brainwashed,controlled,manupliated,lives are being ruined. Giving soo much over to a few men,is not wise at all!
Looking out for your best interest. I do not think so!
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteDo you know who took the NTCC information off of Wikipedia? That article is Toast, History!
Before you could type in NTCC or New Testament Christian Church and it would present a nice article on the Cult - I mean, Church.
Bro Johnson
The worst thing about this article,and all of us sharing our true testimonies. Is ntcc is using us,and us hater's,exers. As there preaching material. We all know they have nothing to share over the pulpit. except reused messages that they use over and over,and over again.
ReplyDeleteNow they will be bashing us,haters. The devil has a hold of us. we just want the world. we are unhappy. Why don't they just be quiet. They have left,why does it matter to us anyways!
And some will rally behind this. As if there sounding the alarm. Lets rally the troops. God is on Our side,is what they will think. Lets get out and door knock like we have never done before,check up on all those lost contacts,BLAH,BLAH,BLAH! Same ole,same ole,same ole Jargon!
I hope some will get on the dispatch,here on Jeff's blog and deb and Tracy's blogs. And really read with an open mind. Let God get those gears a turning. Your eyes will really be opened to what exactly ntcc is all about. And they will find out. They are NOT looking out for there best interest.
Why else does Mike K. only come out to support ntcc when articles get published,blogs are started. But has he updated there OWN web site. Shared there policies and reasons for them. No,only when he is pushed into a corner. Does he do ANYTHING!
Folks,really you need to get out of this very toxic atmosphere you are in. God can reveal it all to you. Our stories are not made up. And we share them to help others,and prevent new folks from ever stepping foot in one of there buildings!
CM
SACRIFICE, DO WITHOUT, SPEND GODS MONEY WISELY, DON"T LUST AT WHAT OTHERS HAVE,LIVE WITHIN YOUR MEANS!
ReplyDeleteHear this JARGON over and over and over while your around ntcc the cult.
BUT look at Mike K. life and RW DAIVS's life. DO they Follow the EXAMPLE that they preach? Or is it,do as I say,not as I do crap? RW davis HAD a very nice home. Was Plenty of room for him and his wife. TWO PEOPLE in a nice size home. Was that ENOUGH for this man? NO!!! He had to have a even BIGGER home,even BIGGER fence. IS he spending GODS money wisely. ALL his money came from the ministry. ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. So is he spending GODS money wisely?
Then look at Mike and Tanya. They had a home right across from the FENCED in school grounds. Very nice home. PLENTY of room for two adults and ONE child. Was that enough for him. NO! Had to have a more grander home,spend even MORE Money! Now has a very fancy home. Is he spending GODS money wisely? He was BROKE when he married "into the family" so all of his money came from the ntcc. One way or another!
Now he has vechiles,a child that has been in a 20.000 a year PRIVATE school,sure Tanya has her share of spending GODS money! Is it being good stewards. Putting a child in a school that cost 20.000 a YEAR! MOST if not ALL ministers in ntcc don't even make 30.000 a year in a SALARY for there family. That salary that pays for the churches expenses and there own families expenses.
You can be the JUDGE of this concern. Would you want to stay in a organization that is run very crooked,underhanded,double talkers,shady deals. Where you really don't for sure what there trying to say. Is it the truth or lie's. If you have doubts,ask God. He will show you the truth!
CM
I personally have nothing wrong with private school. I plan on putting my kids in private school, and a good one at that. They're very pricey, but I'm not willing to take the risk with my kids that I had to take as a child. Public school is FULL of atrocities that I do not want my child exposed to. That being said, know that my husband and I will both have to work very, very hard to make it happen. It's one of the sacrifices we are both willing to make. We are not taking money given to us to pay for our kids' educations.
ReplyDeletejm
Putting children into Private school is NOT the issue. It is the waste of money from minister's that take this money from the hard work of others. To put ONE CHILD in a 20,000 a year private school. one that they DO NOT agree with there bible beliefs. Why does Mike K. send his son to a school that does not line up with his biblical standards,beliefs?
ReplyDeleteOur child has been in private school twice,homeschooled twice,and also is now attending public schools. my children will finish there education in public schools.
Since we have been exposed to all three venue's of educating our children. NONE of them are perfect. You will have to make the best in ALL THREE choices.
Had to bring my high expectations down a notch. None of them live up to my expectations. private schools kids are NOT angels!
Which is why I keep a cabinet stocked with lots of home learning materials(workbooks,projects,flashcards,ect) Go on family field trips,expose them to alot.
It is all what you make of it!
CM
ok folks in ntcc and out. We are seeing Mike K. bashing Facebook and Myspace. Why do you think that is? He says because of the people you can open yourself up to??? Which is a bunch of crap! I do not have to look at my friends walls,picture's. I can HIDE them on facebook. I do myspace,just not active anymore. Been reconnecting with so many old friends,family that we cut off while in ntcc!
ReplyDeleteLets look a little deeper. We all know that ntcc LOVES CONTROL of the people in ntcc. If you are on facebook,myspace. Does ntcc have control WHO YOU TALK TO? He hates that you can talk about ntcc,compare note's,dicuss those nagging thoughts that God keeps putting in your head. And none of it will get REPORTED back to him. Because there is no way they can ease drop,use there SPIE's(office workers) or brainwashed ministers and wive's who think there helping a brother by reporting on him to the so called leaders!
So what does Mike do. BASH FB,MYspace. I just read on his blog that a member thanked him for clarifying that. And they deleted there membership!! This is what they want you to do. Get back that control they had!
Oh and a side note. IF it is true that Mike K. says that RW DAVIS did not promote not OWNING a computer or using the INTERNET. WHY did he say,that many of us had a computer for E-MAILS to keep in touch with our families? He DOUBUTED that we had our computers to chat with our family. Something he would rather not happen anyways,CUT THE TIE'S! For many of us,that was our ONLY way to stay in touch with family members!!!
RW davis said it over and over. We bought computers and used the internet to get on PORN,or gambling site's. AS IF! I used it then and now,to stay in touch,family friendly web sites. RW davis BASHED Ebay as well!
Soo,now that computers are Ok,country music is OK,sports for kids is OK,vacation trips are OK,secular college is OK. All of those are CHANGES! which ntcc will not acknowledge they are CHANGES.
Just watch folks in another five years. ntcc will like Joel Olsteens mainstream Church! You will leave ntcc over the control that still goes on. And you will find out,that TV's are now allowed for ministers. Make-up,necklace's are OK. Dresses are not even seen on ladies in ntcc. Poofs,what are those!! Mike K. has to get RID of all these OLD Fashion UNBIBLICAL standards. So he can RAKE in the bucks. Keep his money maker bussiness going. For his son to take over. Because you know Grant is not going to want to be charge of such a fuddy duddy Church.
If major changes have happened in the last five years. EVEN MORE will happen in the next five years!
CM
When Pastor Davis dies, I wonder how many minutes it will take for the 'new' leadership to say we were just humoring Pastor Davis, this (whatever this is at the time) is what God wants.
ReplyDeleteThen bedevil Pastor Davis' methods/name to the faithful, just as Pastor Davis did Pop after Pop died.
Gregory
"Then bedevil Pastor Davis' methods/name to the faithful, just as Pastor Davis did Pop after Pop died."
ReplyDeleteAre you kidding me? RW acted like he practically worshipped Pop! Now there was a TRUE man of God, so I suppose I'm not totally surprised. I just missed hearing any negative stuff after both Mom and Pop Gaylord passed away.
RW acted like he practically worshipped Pop! Now there was a TRUE man of
ReplyDeleteKEY word,ACTED!
Are you kidding me? RW USED Pop. He just wanted access to all those servicemen and women. Pop WAS a man of God. But after he died RW did start to subtly undermine Pop's work. RW wants the glory all to himself.
ReplyDeleteThis is something that I have always wondered why would real people of God would go on and discredit those that went to a work and tried at least tried for heaven's sake to do something, giving all, specially when one has a family, like casey did, and then he is discredited by the new pastor, because that is so ntcc, every pastor discredits the other whenever there is a change, I've seen it happened, specially in servicemen's homes, when the new pastor arrives the old pastor becomes the punchin' bag, and he is the one who gets blame for everything wrong that went on in the church. So I believe that this is what happened in the hayes situation. The only thing that I would add to it is when kekel questions why would casey tried to put his kids in the best schools?
ReplyDeleteWow that was a whopper on kekels part because as a parent why wouldn't you considere the best for your son and daughter, because he did and he is probably right now looking for his son's best interest because grant is about to graduate and he probably is going to the best college, of course, with the money that he gets for been the ceo of ntcc.
blovd
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteI can verify most of what you posted concerning the Cespedes and the Hayes during the timeframe in question, as I was in close phone contact with both famlies.
I cannot verify monies that the Cespedes brought with them, but I do know they had way more than the Hayes, as we had fellowshipped with the Cespedes before they left for Puerto Rico and I know they were more financially well off.
Everything else is true that you verified with Casey.
It seems the Cespedes were sent to Puerto Rico with an attitude instilled in them about the Hayes from Graham Headquarters.
The Hayes did not have their children in a private music school. In fact, I still have emails which were sent between my daughers and Melissa and Spencer during this time and the description of the place (building-wise) and all was definitely an atmosphere that I'm quite sure the Kekel's would never approve of for their son. (based on my personal friendship with them at the time).
There are so many details involved with these folks who were in Puerto Rico...but the long and short of it all is that Mike Kekel is a filthy liar. If you speak out to expose this group, you will be lied about. It's how Cults operate. They need to hang onto those that are "faithful" by lying. They don't care what any of us say or how much proof we have...as they've set themselves up to be gods in the eyes of their followers and they will not believe the truth.
I truly believe that if the followers of NTCC witnessed something with their own eyes and if Davis or Kekel or Olson came along and said it didn't really happen...they would believe it.
You know how I know this? Because it's happening everytime Kekel disputes something which was taught or preached. There are those like Tom Wright and George Jordan and Robert Briggs and K. Gandy and D. Tieman and J. Ashmore and J. DiFrancesco, and J. Johnson, and Jones and Saminto and St. Clair...et al....who have sat and watched and done nothing about these lies which have gone forth.
If they keep their traps shut...then they will be treated like DAvis' Pets and receive special treatment to keep their mouths shut. And for those who are new to the Organization and come out and try to defend them...having no knowledge of the past, Kekel and the others know they just have to exert their self-anointed positions in God and they will be believed.
I take heart in all this, as I am always hopeful. Hopeful that folks who were the most ardent defenders of NTCC (such as I once was)...can still be reached with the truth. We cannot let them intimidate us by their targeted smear campaigns. It's all they have. They don't have the truth to rest in. They are on the ones who have to go through life wondering what new revelation will be revealed about Davis and what rule they have to claim never existed so as to make them look "normal" to the public.
When Kekel takes to the internet to open his mouth; I just sit back and watch him implode. HE always does.
Tracy wrote...
ReplyDeleteI truly believe that if the followers of NTCC witnessed something with their own eyes and if Davis or Kekel or Olson came along and said it didn't really happen...they would believe it.
Jeff wrote...
You are absolutely right. It's amazing to witness the degree of mind control that exists in the NTCC. Like you said; the old timers have witnessed the (no secular college policy), (no shorts and sports policy) and yet they still elect to buy off on Kekel's shenanigans. That is why I know they are hypocrites. The NTCC leadership had us fooled the whole time.
I thought they were sincere but it's clear that it was all about being no more than company men. No more no less. It's all about business, money and numbers because if it wasn't they would all speak out against Kekels and his chameleon ways.
You hit the nail on the head Tracy.
Jeff
I thought they were sincere but it's clear that it was all about being no more than company men. No more no less. It's all about business, money and numbers because if it wasn't they would all speak out against Kekels and his chameleon ways.
ReplyDelete.................................AMEN!
I, personally, am insulted to be compared with kekel the shmekel. I know he changes his ways faster than a chameleon changes color; but it still hurts!
ReplyDeleteI don't care if MK sent his son to a $20,000/ year private school.
ReplyDeleteI do care that God's word is going forth here at my church and people are getting saved.
I don't care if RW has a house bigger than the White house. I ain't gonna get bitter about it. That's between him and God.
I do care that one day I'll get to go to Gods house up in the sky after I die. (and thats better than my old destination, isn't it?)
I don't care how many people quit, nor their reasons for doing so.
I don't care if there are wolves in sheep clothes all around me.
I do care that a relationship with God and myself was started twenty years ago, a relationship that I cannot and will not deny.
It has been a bumpy ride at times and quitting is always an option. And it always will be just an option, by God's grace.
I've left in times past and have been utterly alone with my decision to leave. Once I left for a year and a half. Gone. Only to have my wife die in her sleep and my life fall apart. Reading ALL (A double L) ALL of the nasty's written by the ntcc quitters. And being out there away from church I found myself taking sides with the people you all apparently now hated. Hated for what? Stealing your lives?? For all of the time that you wasted?? Did anybody at all get saved as a result of your work??
I think your wasting your time now. You weren't then, but now you are. Unless people are still getting saved from their sins as a result of your work.
Btw/ On my last post about not caring if RW has a house bigger than the white house... I am waiting to see if you leave it posted or if you keep your blog clean of any statements that don't support your ideology.
ReplyDeleteRegards.