In the previous thread Bro Johnson asked...
Once again I am wondering why Conference is being held in Graham.
Jeff said...
Because they are making a push to promote life in Graham and promote the seminary. Tours and information packets for potential students? What? What? What? That says it all right there. Because it will save you money with an asterisk next to it? Look at Pastor Kekels website and pay attention to the little asterisk next to "saving money". It's like a little sneaky used car add where they say "reliable cars with a asterisk" and then next to the asterisk, "AS IS NO WARRANTY". Save who money? The people who live there? Here is what the asterisk points you to: "Lodging arrangements are the responsibility of attendees; information about local hotel accommodations will be available on request"
How in the world is that going to save you money? The people who live in Graham will save money.
Boy, Brother Johnson really hit on something with this one. Workshops, (hence the little picture) tours of the Graham compound and a chance to visit the church in Graham hey? How come Jesus wasn't mentioned under the what and why? Because it's not about Jesus which I've been saying all along. What a complete, brainwashing, mind molding, money making, push to more further indoctrinate the unsuspecting. Because it's going to be awesome?
If I were there, the one awesome part would be the medicine prescribed to stop me from perpetually throwing up. Boy the light becomes brighter every day. Once I think I've seen it all yet another surprise from the NTCC leadership. This conference is no more than a push to bring more people up to Graham Washington and I'm not just talking about seminary (I mean cemetery) either. They want people to think that Graham is just the greatest place on earth, so much so that the people will move there because here is the deal.
If the old cemetery don't work out, now these folks live in Graham where they can be controlled and more effectively brainwashed. That is exactly why the NTCC leadership always tries to bring ministers back to Graham. To try and regain control of their mind. Because the NTCC knows that if they leave Graham or don't come back to Graham, they will likely leave the NTCC altogether. This is no more than a ploy to get people to Graham and to get them to think that the NTCC is such a great organization.
It's also a chance to put more money back into the Graham community when people move there. You see when someone pays tithes or makes offerings in Graham, the NTCC leadership has leverage of all of it, not just the percentage that the pastors send from other states. The NTCC must keep a reasonable population present at Graham because population means revenue. RWD houses keep tenets. $ The dorm stays full. $ Classes are taught to more students which means more money coming in from each class. $ More people work for the NTCC guys who have businesses which means more money is being made and more tithes are paid. $ If you rent one of RWDs houses, pay tuition, pay tithes, give offerings, make pledges, drive your car to pick people up for church which burns your gas and puts miles on your car, then buddy every dime you make ultimately winds up back into the NTCC. Yeah I know you keep a little chump change, but it doesn't compare to the money that you put back into the NTCC when you live in Graham while renting one of RWDs houses while you are attending cemetery otherwise know as the school of rules.
Long story short: This conference is no more than a big propaganda push to get people to Graham and if you can't see that you are blind as a bat.
Jeff
Don't forget the posters that will be available for pastors to put out in their churches. Brainwash, brainwash, brainwash. Promote, promote, promote. Push, push, push. Pastors used to do that for the trumpet all the time. In fact almost every (if not every) service for a while.
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Ha! Ha! Ha! Good article Jeff.
ReplyDeleteHow ‘bout this one...conference is "voluntary of course" but NTCC's official site shares, "We're looking for a great time in God, and we all NEED (emphasis his) to be there." Ha! Ha! Ha! Sounds like ‘policy’ to me.
Let the Countdown Begin! Ha! Ha! Ha! Blah, blah, snore.
How ‘bout a workshop on ‘church PA systems’. Most NTCC churches can only afford a 'mister microphone', or are so small none is needed. So what is the workshop for, to showcase and brag ‘bout what NTCC Graham has? Ha! Ha! Ha! I’ll save my money and google it.
We already know what NTCC Graham has, "...ideal facilities since 1999, a large unpaid staff of trained workers, people contracted/required to pay tithe, and the man who knows ‘how to do it (Pastor Davis)’ local and available during this entire time."
And they only have 800 after 11 years, and counting many people twice. Ha! Ha! Ha!
What a flop. If any of us had all the advantages Graham has, and weren't running at least 5,000 after 11 years we would be labeled a failure, and moved to another work, or recalled to Graham for more 'training'. Ha! Ha! Ha! So much for Pastor Davis’ grand vision of the NTCC mega-Church.
Demonstrations? What can they demonstrate (see previous paragraph)? How to eyewash; how to kiss a minor? Ha! Ha! Ha!
Or, maybe demonstrations in ‘NTCC speak’ for picketing the internet. Ha! Ha! Ha!
Skits? Ha! Ha! Ha! The cross country drive may be worth it for this alone.
A workshop on church admin? On accounting? On paperwork? Management? Business/Busyness? Ha! Ha! Ha!
A Children’s Church workshop? They just had a whole conference on this a few years ago. Ha! Ha! Ha!
A campus tour? Does this include the Library? You can see the whole thing by driving on the OK highway, or by watching the video an Exer has posted online. Ha! Ha! Ha!
A workshop on music? Choirs? I didn’t know there were any bluegrass choirs. Ha! Ha! Ha! Maybe NTCC could call this conference ‘stillmoredamagecontrolgrass’.
Save money? Ha! Ha! Ha! How do you save money by spending it? Plan on staying with someone? You have to get permission to stay with someone (even family) during Conferences.
Food and fellowship? We have that at our local church, and don’t have to drive across the country to get it. Ha! Ha! Ha!
Services? Teachings? Prayer meetings? (see previous paragraph) Ha! Ha! Ha!
Since when does NTCC consider “music, choirs, PA systems, Church Admin, Children's Church” Ministries? Ha! Ha! Ha!
Because Washington is beautiful? Because it’s going to be awesome? Because of all the great things going on? Ha! Ha! Ha!
This entire latest Pastor Kekel conference post reads like a flyer for a sock-hop.
Posters to promote attendance? Really? Door to door isn’t working? Ha! Ha! Ha!
A chance to visit Graham? Ha! Ha! Ha! When was the last time you visited secular family for a week?
Got ideas? Ha! Ha! Ha! Good one. Submit in writing; in triplicate; to Pastor Kekel’s last known address.
Exciting? Ha! Ha! Ha!
Priceless,
Gregory
Fun Fact: If you’re going to use ‘Bout, ‘Bout is spelled ‘Bout not Bout’ (or B’out for that matter). Ha! Ha! Ha!
WOW!!!
ReplyDeleteI bet the Mexico, Missouri local folks are urinating in their pants after hearing this news.
Im sure they mark conference on their Calendar every year, that they can DEPEND on revenue to come in to their community.
I guess we ARE in a RECESSION!!
Bro Johnson
After 4 1/2 years, NTCC Website finally hit 100K.
ReplyDeleteBetter watch out, Jeff, Kekel is breathing fire (or, that is what his demonic counter looks like) down your neck!!!
Ha ha!!
Bro Johnson
As for people who wish to stay with someone locally, enquire by email to mckekel@hotmail.com
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You WILL go through ME if you want to stay with ANY of MY Church Members! I HAVE THE FINAL SAY! HAHAHAHAHA!! Did you pay your tithe, brother??
Bro Johnson
Something I noticed on MC Kekel's Website:
ReplyDeleteWhen you scroll to the right of his "Followers" there are NO PICs. Just a faceless entity.
How true that is of NTCC, to brainwash you into not being able to think on your own two feet,
It is MIND CONTROL at it's BEST!!!
Bro Johnson
Yeah I just found the part where you are required to ask permission to stay with someone in Graham or as Pastor Kekel put it "stay with someone locally". You must inquire by email to Pastor Kekel if you want to stay with someone? You've got to be kidding me? That has nothing to do with Pastor Kekel. It's between you and the person who asked you to stay with them.
ReplyDeleteI ain't asking permission for jack! If I want to stay with a friend and they've invited me to their home, then it's a done deal. No permission required. That's the problem with the NTCC. They are full of a bunch of control mongers who are too obsessed with concerns about being double crossed. They are worried about who talks to who and they want to control it, hence the requirement to ask Pastor Kekel permission to stay at someone else's house.
I'd like to be in the NTCC right now for one reason. So I could go to Graham, and stay at someone's home, and deliberately not ask permission. Then I would go to church and right in front of Olson or Pastor Kekel I would say, "boy I had a great time when I stayed over at your house last night Brother"!!! I'd say it real loud so the NTCC leadership could hear me. Then when Pastor Kekel asked, "did you ask permission to stay over at Brother so and so's house"? I would reply. "Permission"? "I don't have to ask you permission". "His house belongs to him and if he doesn't kick me out I'm not going anywhere". "Some how you've got me mixed up with your child because I'm not him".
Permission. I don't see Pastor Kekel running around asking me permission if he wants to stay at someone's home and I wouldn't allow him to ask me permission even if he wanted to. I'd be like, "You're a grown man who pays his own bills aren't you Mike"? "Well then what in the world are you coming to me and asking permission to stay at someone's house for"? "Obey what"? "Those who have rule over you"? "That don't mean your my slave Mike and it don't mean that you have to ask me permission to use the toilet or stay at someone's home either".
"You've got me mixed up because I'm not control monger Mike so please don't come to me asking permission for stuff like that anymore". "In fact the only thing you have to ask me permission for is to take my 15 year old daughter out on a date and don't even think about it because that ain't happening". "She don't need to worry about dating until she finishes high school and starts going to a real college like someone else I know"!!! "Then she is not under my roof so she makes her own choices and learns from her own experiences". "If she wants my advise I'll give it to her, but at that point she doesn't have to ask me permission anymore and I not going to ask you permission either".
You see folks that is EXACTLY why people like me call the NTCC a CULT!!! Because only a cult would require you to ask permission to stay at someone else's house when you are a grown man or woman. That is the way a CULT treats it people. A CHURCH doesn't operate like that but a CULT does. Churches promote liberty in Christ and deliverance from the law and cults want control and they want to bring you back under the law; their law.
Jeff
Not sure if ntcc is running this "conference" as they did when we lived in the Compound apartments. There was a "conference" in Washington. We were THRILLED. NO money out of our pockets to pay to get there,or eat out for every single meal. We could stay in our home's,eat at our home if we do desired. We did also host a couple that came.
ReplyDeleteOne hiccup when they have it in Washington. Because there is less room. Most families either find a sitter for the week,or the wife stays home. So her ONLY escape from that town there in has been taken away.
We had a two bedroom apartment. Moved our Daughter in with us to sleep. And did all we could to make the Mason's comfortable.
What did rw davis do for the Bible college students? We were NOT ALLOWED to the daytime classes. Unlike in Missouri,students and ministers went to the daytime and evening services. We got to stay home or the husbands did continue to work. WHICH was good for our income. BUT the preaching, that your missing out,taunting it. Was there!
the students housed the ministers and watched as they had what we thought was an enjoyable time. Out shopping,eating out,daytime teaching. While we went about our daily lives. Not even allowed to go out to eat with them! We were the students!
Yeah,making the trip to Washington is not a blessing.NOT! Most ministers have seen the UGLE GREEN church building,seen the ntcc real estate. Go take a drive and see rw davis MANSION behind the fence. More and more folks are wising up in ntcc. And NOT going to these events. as rw davis says,THERE IS NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN!
April
Brother Jeff,
ReplyDeleteI found this ANON comment about NTCC online that fits them to a "T"
Enjoy! Bro Johnson
My advice to the curious is to stay as far away from this organization as possible. Sure there are nice people there, but the organization as a whole uses the gospel as a tool to gain control and domination over others. Yes, people get saved, receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit, make good friends, and learn some great things about serving God in NTCC. However, the bad experiences unfortunately outweigh the good. Over time, those who become members are indoctrinated with extra-biblical man made rules. For example, they misinterpret Titus 2:5 and teach that its a sin for women to work on the job. However, their interpretation of the aforementioned passage does not coincide with Proverbs 31:10-31 which talks about a woman being proactive and working in and out of the home. This is just one example, but NTCC doesnt stop here. Rather, their control tactics go much further.
When I was in this church, participating organized sports was strongly discouraged as was attending accredited colleges, movie theaters, bowling alleys, etc. A member had to get permission for just about everything.
Ever thought about attending another church while a member of this one? Forget about it! All other churches outside of their insular organization were looked upon as the enemy. NTCC as a whole displays the quintessential "us versus them" mentality with respect to other Christian denominations.
I strongly suspect that the real reason NTCC doesnt seek fellowship with other Christian churches is because they know that their manmade rules would be exposed for what they really are, Pharisee theology.
Women are treated as second class citizens in NTCC and the idea conveyed is that they are supposed to be weak and undereducated because they are women.
NTCCs claim to not be the only ones right with God is really just a bunch of lip service, because their actions really speak louder than their words. Mention another church where God is blessing around one of the more seasoned members and watch them squirm.
Moreover, the NTCC pulpit is often used as a tool for humiliating, guilt-tripping, and browbeating members into submission to their Pharisaic ways.
Dont expect to see any financial transparency with the leadership, local or strategic. They say they are not after your money. However, in my judgment, NTCC is generally after mind control and domination over the members; once they get that, everything else will most likely follow. The goal is to keep you on an extremely busy schedule so theres no time to think, process the information, and realize youre in a cult.
They should at least have the courtesy to be transparent with their members and the general public about their non-accredited seminary before people waste their time driving cross-country to attend. Thats called deception. People should be informed by their local pastor that the seminary is unaccredited before being recruited to go.
The longer a person stays with NTCC, the harder its going to be to leave and the greater the effects on the person financially, emotionally, psychologically, and socially.
(THIS IS CONTINUED FROM EARLIER POST, GOOD INSIGHT FOR THE UNSUSPECTED!!!)
ReplyDeleteI read an earlier post (now removed) where someone wrote that the organization preys on young military members, the young, the lonely, and the gullible. That is exactly right. In fact, most if not all of their ministers are ex military. They target the military because soldiers, particularly the enlisted already have a certain amount of freedom taken away from them, and are used to being controlled.
Everyone who leaves the church is considered to be an enemy of the cross and members are instructed to shun ex members. I know cause I was a member for 4 years. That dynamic may be changing now since more ex members are speaking online about their NTCC experiences. If God saved us to be under taskmasters who are bent on domination and control, he would not have given us brains with the capacity for reason. God created men and women equal. The NTCC leadership are nothing but mere mortals. They have no power to strike anyone down to the lake that burns with fire and brimstone. After all, God is the ultimate judge, not some cult like NTCC.
There are wonderful Pentecostal, Charismatic, nondenominational, Baptist, Methodist, Presbyterian, Anglican, Episcopalian, churches out there. Do yourself a huge favor and visit them instead. I would not wish the NTCC experience on anyone. Furthermore, Ive been blessed to learn much more about the Bible and theology since leaving the church, attending a real college and fellowshipping with other Christians from various denominations.
a comment said: "Ive been blessed to learn much more about the Bible and theology since leaving the church, attending a real college and fellowshipping with other Christians from various denominations."
ReplyDeleteWow, that is to say the least. I am sure they would be suprised at how empty they are compared to the outside "Christian" world that they deny exists. The great leaders of NTCC have been left VOID by their incestuous, sterility of doctrine and practice. They are a closed society and as all of those things- they become sterile- and ineffective.
It is only once you leave and really start learning the WORD of GOD that you even know the difference! They actually want you to worship their leadership- without question- that is idolatry. They have boasted that they are the Pope! yet never will admit they are fallible.
They only ask you, as other closed-groups- to drink the kool-aid and shut up! well, as long as you agree with them- then keep talking- otherwise- yes, shut up and drink the kool-aid.
It would do all people well to watch the Jim Jones special that was on PBS awhile back...
double D wrote...
ReplyDeleteThey are a closed society and as all of those things- they become sterile- and ineffective.
Jeff said...
Hence they are a cult. Closed society = Cult. Jesus didn't close himself off from society. He peached to everyone, not just the Pharisees like the NTCC.
Jeff
Double D Said,
ReplyDelete"They actually want you to worship their leadership- without question- that is idolatry."
Don and Ange said,
This is so very true and this is what every ntcc preacher strives for. It is adoration and praise that they seek. To have a bunch of people shout, Preach and Amen! To be called sir and to be waited on hand and foot. They love the chief seats and to be called of men Rabbi.
Somewhere on these blogs I read a comment that I think was Double D mentioning that he mowed the lawn for a member of his congregation whenever it was needed. This struck me as the opposite of what the ntcc leadership would do and it spoke to me of how I would like to live my life. There is a blessing in doing more for others than just lip service.
The ntcc way involves putting the pastor up on a pedastool and praising and adoring him. This is what they all seem to strive for and will do anything to achieve. I felt this pride when I was a member and the desire for it is what keeps many of them in bondage.
Jesus was a servant of all. Never did He demand respect from His followers. I can't picture Jesus asking John or Peter to wash His motor-home or to clean His house. But what you do see is Jesus treating them as equals, and performing acts of love and kindness towards them and others that were not even disciples or Jews.
The ntcc leadership not only wants total control over the minds and actions of it's members but it wants to be exalted and worshipped. Unapproachable and unanswerable to anyone. How dare we question them. If we disagree we are fault finders. This is pure cult behavior and attitude. If you are in the ntcc and wonder if you are in a cult, just ask yourself the questions that beg to be asked. Look up other cults and study them. What makes them a cult? See how many similarities there are between other cults and the ntcc. Once you realize that you are in a controlling, all consuming cult, you need to escape for your life. Get as far away from these people as you can before they drag you further from Christianity. You will find real peace when you are free from the bondage and control of the ntcc.
what makes no sense to me. Is why do folks still stuck in ntcc think we should be quiet. let God take care of the evil in ntcc?
ReplyDeleteWhen animals are being mistreated. Folks go to jail for that. Corprations misuse of money,there will be whistleblowers! If a person is being sexually harrassed at work. There reported. ABUSE is not allowed to continue. There is so much MENTAL abuse that goes on in ntcc. It is not even funny. From marriage breakups,financial ruins,ridiculed publically over a religious pulpit,belitted any chance they get to keep you in your place,women feel they are worthless subjects to the MAN,kids walk around hardly a peep out of them,or there parents get embarrassed. All the while everyone walks around dressed similar,hair styles similar,music choices similar.IT is a COLONY not a church. Folks join because they think there joining something of meaning,important calling. All the while they are just brainwashed into thinking ntcc is Real,they love you,seperate from the"World". Ntcc is NOT different from the " World" All they want is cash,cash and more cash. However they can get there Grumby hands on more cash!
Folks that have left ntcc. And not under that Fog.It is a literal Fog. You know something is not right. But just can't put your finger on it. God has shown us what ntcc is ALL about. We have to be whistle blowers to the WORLD! Because if we don't. This cult will continue to grow and knock on innocent victims. Who will keep there money making machine flowing. PURE EVIL!
Many of you in ntcc went to church growing up. Did the folks in ntcc make you afraid of them? Were you Afraid to walk up to your childhood pastor to talk to him. NOT just to ask him a question or get his advice on some LAME subject. But just to talk to as a normal person. Mike K. rw davis,johnson,olson,defreshco,all of those men. Are Normal people. Nothing MORE special about them then me,you or anyone else. Once you wake up from that fog. See ntcc for the scam that it is. Will be the day you leave.
Oh and that junk about, you don't leave God(ntcc) overnight. NO,God slowly lets you see ntcc for there true colors. You will start to laugh less at the blonde,fat jokes. Your heart is not in the FAKE prayer meetings. Which is just where folks walk up and down a aile,showing off to folks. That they can yell to God,they can walk and raise there hands at one time,they can PRETEND to speak in tongues. Begin to skip going to the fellowship hall. ANOTHER MONEY making spot! And Conference's are a JOKE! What do you really get out of them. This spring conference ntcc wants to give out papers to give to church members. Those can be MAILED! Show your church members ntcc real estate. Your going to drive thousands of miles to see something you can go on Google Earth and see!!!!!! Watch some skits,ntcc could put them on YOU TUBE! This conferene is NO different then the hundreds of conference's before them. They are ALL the same. the ONE reason you want to go.It is your ONE VACATION that is allowed. You can visit with folks that you believe are your friends. You have no REAL friends in your town.
IT is NOT bitterness,anger,or we have no life. We that EXPOSE ntcc are whistleblowers and proud of it. Because without us telling the world what ntcc is really about. More Marines,sailors,soliders,airmen,coastguard,and civilians will get invited out. Think,oh wow this is a nice place. People are nice. Think I will come back. And as you come back. What happens you get worked on a little at a time. Without even realizing it. You lose your Indenity. And then you become Bossy,controlling,push there agenda in a local ntcc church. So they money continues to flow!
April a Whistleblower
The ANON comment that bro. Johnson posted on here was originally written by me, S. G. I originally posted it on the insiderpages.com website to warn people about NTCC. I felt that it was my duty to help others not be taken advantage of or manipulated.
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Thank you S.G. People can use our help. Life is far fuller outside of the NTCC. So is my wallet.
ReplyDeleteJeff
S.G. Said,
ReplyDelete"I felt that it was my duty to help others not be taken advantage of or manipulated."
Don and Ange said,
We are glad that you and people like you care enough to warn others about the ntcc. I know that some people twist the meaning of what we do as being negative, hateful and non-productive. However, I think we passionately oppose the ntcc and make sharp contrasts of what they proclaim to be and what they actually preach. The words they speak and the deeds they do towards the weakest of God's people accomplish nothing but to hurt and destroy lives for monetary gain.
If we were to take a weaker approach and be kinder and gentler; our words would be less effective and people who are blinded by cult teachings would be less apt to wake up and see the reality of what the ntcc is all about. They continue to rail against us and say that we are enemies of the cross because we draw attention to their un-biblical cult teachings.
We will not slow down or let up, nor will we apologize for the telling the truth about the ntcc. If they were a credible organization that could back up their doctrine with the Word of God, they would come on this blog and give bible based examples to support their cult doctrines. This is impossible because their positions are indefensible. The ntcc is an organization that spiritually and emotionally abuses it's members so that they will not question them and they will obediently follow them down the path that leads to destruction.
While they will say that we are full of hate and evil; they make a living off of belittling people, and preaching them into subjection to their own anti-biblical policies and doctrines that bind them and keep them in subjection to their continual abuse.
As long as we breathe, we will continue to blog about the injustice and inappropriate practices of the ntcc.
The ANON comment that bro. Johnson posted on here was originally written by me, S. G. I originally posted it on the insiderpages.com website to warn people about NTCC. I felt that it was my duty to help others not be taken advantage of or manipulated.
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S.G. Thank you for taking the credit for that, my apologies for not properly acknowledging you earlier, unlike NTCC I give credit to whom credit is due, tribute to whom tribute is due, thanks man!
BRo Johnson
Cult + Twisted Scripture = Total Control. If your NTCC and you cannot see that, you are blind.
ReplyDelete"But such were some of you, but you are washed..."
Bro Johnson
Well,the NorthWest is NOT the place to be right now. Wind storms knocking power off,minor earthquake. This is not good for friends that are still living in Washington.
ReplyDeleteBUT,we had to hear it all the time. Look at the Hot weather in MO,or the torendo's in the panhandle,snowstorms in the NorthEast,ect. Always pushing how nice it was to live in Washington. rw davis does NOTHING without a purpose in his agenda of brainwashing. Make it look nice and peachy in Washington. While the rest of the US,had horrible weather. I did have to chuckle. There weather sucks right now!
A footnote,I do pray that folks get there power back on,no one gets injured. Wish NO ill will on anyone!
And I am in that NorthEast with fifty degs and sunshine!LoL
April
RW Davis to God:
ReplyDelete"GAWD!!! WHERE ARE YOU WHEN I NEED YOU???"
GOD to RW Davis:
"DAVIS!!! WHERE ARE YOU WHEN I NEED YOU???"
Both Conferences of 2011 will be exciting- and voluntary of course
ReplyDeleteWe're looking for a great time in God, and we all NEED to be there.
OK this is an oxymoron. Either you have to be at Conference, or you do not NEED to be at conference
Kekel you cannot have it both ways.
Typical NTCC Rattlesnake with Rattler in toe!
I guess if I am a Mininster in NTCC and I cannot make it to Conference I am going to HELL. That is, in effect, what you are saying Mr. Kekel.
BE AT CONFERENCE OR WE WILL KICK YOU TO THE NTCC CURB AND YOU CAN BE A BUM!!!
Bro Johnson
Jeff, Kekel thinks so highly of you that he has included your quotes along with other EX'ERs as tongue in check "Great Quotes"
ReplyDelete"According to about 40 years of NTCC standards, Kekel is about as worldly as they get. So what you have is an egotistical, pomps, dude that is fooling himself and he works hard to learn how to attempt to fool others. I'm not fooled. ...(Jeff "Cyber-Bully" Collins)
“You sir,are a hypocrite!” (April M)
So Kekel wants himself to appear like a martyer for Christ and to make it look like Big Bad Jeff is picking on little ol Millionaire him and harrassing him with his sidekick April.
How 'BOUT that!!
This is so funny it is stupid. Why don't you include some famous Kekel quotes since obviously he did not ask you for permission to quote yours.
Isn't your quotes copywrited?
Bro Johnson
That is awesome that Mike has put up statements some have made while writing to him PERSONALLY! I got about eight pages of IM chatting with Mr. Mike. I could put out for the world to see. PROOF,not just the facts that I remember I lived through.
ReplyDeleteThis is not the first time he has done this. He had a Link that called me the Facebook agent. As if I was working with the devil to get folks to leave ntcc. Friends I was writing to,asked why I left ntcc. So I told them. They of course did not like it. Made them have to actually think on there own. Everyone knows there in a scam,but just don't want to admit it.
Mike took personal e-mails we had shared back and forth and he posted a link on his blog with what had been said between us. Thanks to a friend shamming him. He took it down!
I think it is great if he wants to put up our quotes about him on his blog. thanks for the advertisment Mr. Mike. get people to wonder. Why did we say those things. And come over to the exntccers blogs. Read and let there brains put it all together. When that happens,watch out. Folks can not stay in ntcc once the fog has lifted!
LoL,Mike is being a liberal democrat that he really is. And only quoting part of the concersation. The part HE thinks will help his cause of making me look bad and him look like the favored preacher that he thinks he is. You do know mike,that most HATE your guts that are your fellow preachers and preacher wives. If they could,you would be stabbed in the back(not literal) and others would take over your postion in a heartbeat! So they could live the good life and SQUASH the other peons underneath them!
Keep up the good work Mike. You help our cause more then you can ever imagin!
April
April,
ReplyDeleteYou are my HERO!
HOOARHH!!
Bro Johnson
ntcc is VERY predictable! Not sure if this happened to others. I got to where I could guess what the teachers were going to say next while in the fake bible college.
ReplyDeleteYou knew all the jokes but you still had to laugh. If not,then you had to have a pride issue!
when rw davis says there is nothing new under the sun. What he really meant was ntcc is old,boring,has nothing new because there stuck in the wrong era,stale,not going forward but backward!
Since escaping the cult. My brain is not under that fog. I can think very clearly know! And there Still very predictable. You can read Mr. Mike's blog posts or Briggs and you know excatly what is going on. The Damage control is very,very important to Mike. He tries to deny the obvious. But his blog post show the evidence. There numbers are dwindling there losing there cash cow(ntcc peon ministers)! They are scrambling,trying to do whatever,say whatever they can. To keep folks stuck in the cult and get new recruits to take up after so many of us jumped shipped.
IF ntcc is this great church,preaching a living God to a lost world message. Then why do folks leave ntcc???? Have since been to a church I enjoyed and I would not have left that church! And why are there Soo many of us sharing the EXACT same true story about our experience while in the cult? We DO NOT compare notes and make this stuff up folks.
Main reason so many of us do stay for way longer then we should in ntcc. Because we want to think this is where God wants us. But sadly he does not want us there to keep lining the pockets of just a few men!!!
April
whistle blower
Maybe this belongs on another thread.
ReplyDeleteBut just to remind those who read this blog that are still "in"; here is one of the many reasons some of us have left.
I was told that the kekels' recently traveled to visit their son who is away at a four year college/university. I truly believe this is wonderful for all of them and it is a smart course of action for a young person to take to secure their future. This is not the issue. Every young person in ntcc should be encouraged to persue a higher education, whether it is a four year univerity, a community college, a vocational school, the military, or a trade school.
The problem that I have is that the congregations of the past were not afforded the same luxery/freedom of making such choices for themselves or their offspring. Some of us who were involved in the busier churches barely had a chance to even help our grade level children with their homework on a school night and put them to bed at a decent hour. Those choices were not so easily availiable to us. That control and harshness squelshed many a dream, desire, passion and/or plan for the future.
I can't go back in time and do things differently (although sometimes I long to do just that ). I can only do something about the here and now.
I sincerely hope that those who are in will have the courage and wisdom to make choices in their own lives that will benefit them and their families. Maybe some of you weren't around when a lot of the harshness and control abounded, so it is hard to understand where some of the posters on this blog are coming from. But some who are in, that have been around for a very long time and come on here and read this blog know, experienced, or even perpetrated some of that control and harshness that occured in many of the churces. You know.
I write this with no anger or sarcasm. I hope readers will give the same courtesy if they choose to respond.
Thanks.
signed, former member
former member wrote...
ReplyDeleteSome of us who were involved in the busier churches barely had a chance to even help our grade level children with their homework on a school night and put them to bed at a decent hour. Those choices were not so easily available to us. That control and harshness squelched many a dream, desire, passion and/or plan for the future.
Jeff wrote...
I respect your kind approach. Of course I'm generally not nearly that kind. When you said that those choices were not so easily available to us, you were making quite the understatement. I do however understand your point and once again I respect your approach. It was absolutely forbidden for someone to send their child to a secular college. You were considered a failure as a Christian if you did so. I heard it spoke of in conference by R.W. Davis.
It's a real travesty to put it lightly. Lives have been essentially ruined. A 50 year old person is very unlikely to make up for all the squandered years if they spent decades in the NTCC. Most people who are middle aged and who spent years in the NTCC are unlikely to ever retire or have the ability to do so. The NTCC leadership made sure of that.
Such is not the case with Pastor Kekel or R.W. Davis. They will never have to worry about money or even having an education because to put it plainly they are rich. The Kekels have watched so many NTCC ministers run around bloke living below the poverty level that they want to make sure it doesn't happen to their son. So as a result the NTCS isn't good enough for him. He will get a real education and they will visit him and he won't be essentially disowned like so many other NTCC children who didn't attend the NTCS and who decided to go off on their own. It's been a sick circle and not a day should go by that RWD doesn't live in guilt for all the families that he and his leadership have broken up and all the lives that they've left in shambles in their wake of destruction.
The Kekel's son is the ultimately slap in the face to all the NTCC parents who didn't put their children's education way ahead of the NTCCs greedy agenda. Thank God that we had wised up enough to stop allowing the NTCC greedy agenda to effect our children's progress. Toward the end of our stay with the NTCC we didn't even go to church on school nights because my children weren't going to loose anymore sleep then they already had. We would simply get home too late from church on school nights for our kids to get settled in early enough to get enough sleep and or "effectively" do their homework.
The NTCC is one seriously wicked church organization. Outside of murdering people they are about as bad is it gets. Despite all the scandals surrounding the Catholic church I would say the Catholics have more redeemable qualities than the NTCC!!!
Jeff
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteAt least Catholics care!!! Cannot say the same about NTCC.
NTCC is like the Wolf in Little Red Riding Hood. They devour your REAL family and pretend to be your Grandmother, until God snaps you out of the trance and you see the Wolf's fangs!!!
Bro Johnson
Fun fact:
ReplyDeleteMORE people will go see the Harry Potter Movie this weekend than would have attended NTCC in the last TEN YEARS!!!
...and that is not counting repeating moviegoers, unlike repeating NTCC slaves giving a flase sense of BIG numbers!!!
Harry Potter 1, NTCC 0
Bro Johnson
This is not on topic. Something I was doing something today and made me think of ntcc and the jargon propaganda they use.
ReplyDeleterw davis is famous for saying would you stick your hand into a barrel of rotten apples to get one good apple. His reasoning on why EVERYONE should not watch TV or movies! Why turn on the TV for one good show when there are five other's that he would consider bad to watch.
Well today I had a bag of apples from the local orchard. Some were mushy. I DID reach in and get out over half of the good ones still left. And then I tossed the yucky,bad apples in the trash. So I guess that means you can watch a good TV show and ignore the ones you don't care to watch. I do watch TV know. I pick and choose what I care to put before my eyes and the eyes of my children. Since that is between ME and GOD!
Another excuse ntcc likes to use.Is that all churches have there guidlines for there ministers to follow. How many church organization tell them no TV,what music to listen,what style of clothing to wear,who there friends can be. All with manuplation and GUILT trips! and of course there so called polcies for JUST ministers and not for Church members!
A tid bit I thought to share!
April
If I was as old as RWD is and about to kick the bucket, I would be very scared, he better start sending some apology letters; NTCC is a cult and a joke.
ReplyDeletePatrick
Hey Pat. I'm with you. He does owe some serious apologies. The way he apologizes is to stand up during conference and say something to the effect that "if I've offended anyone please accept my apology". I've heard him make that kind of declaration and I was also told he did the same during the last conference. To my recollection he didn't say what he was apologizing for, he just made a blanket apology and some of these NTCCers like the Hunts bought off on it hook line and sinker. "Oh pastor was so apologetic", blah, blah, blah.
ReplyDeleteHe wasn't even making a genuine apology because he didn't even specify what he was apologizing for. What kind of apology is that? "IF" I've offended someone? You are right Pat but don't hold your breath waiting for a letter because it's not likely to happen.
RWD might have the Hunts fooled (which he does) but not me and not you.
Jeff
Jeff, When I first saw this, I thought the News was talking about MC Kekel!!
ReplyDeleteIf it happens once, it will happen again! Would not be surprised if this has already happened with NTCC!
NEPTUNE TOWNSHIP, N.J. – A pastor who said Facebook was a "portal to infidelity" and told married church leaders to delete their accounts or resign once testified that he had a three-way sexual relationship with his wife and a male church assistant.
The Rev. Cedric Miller confirmed the information reported Saturday by the Asbury Park Press of Neptune, which cited testimony he gave in a criminal case in 2003. The relationship had ended by that time.
Miller gained national attention when he issued the Facebook edict this week. He said it came about because much of the marital counseling he has performed over the past year and a half has concerned infidelity stemming from the social-networking website.
The 48-year-old leader of Living Word Christian Fellowship Church in Neptune Township had claimed Facebook ignites old passions, and he ordered about 50 married church officials to delete their accounts with the social networking site or resign from their leadership positions.
Miller had previously asked married congregants to share their login information with their spouses — as he does — and now plans to suggest that they give up Facebook altogether. The minister also said he would leave the site this week.
In court testimony he gave in April 2003, Miller said his wife had an extramarital affair with the church assistant. Miller said he participated in many of the sexual encounters and said the assistant's wife was sometimes present, too.
Miller said the dalliances — which occurred in the Millers' home — sometimes took place during Thursday Bible study meetings and Sundays after church. But the minister said the encounters "came to a crashing halt" when several women in the church accused the assistant of having sex with them.
Anonymous is right! This FaceBook sham by miller in NJ does sound just like kekel's recent attempt to get others to delete their facebook accounts or purge their friend lists. kekel is doubtless hiding something too, just like miller in NJ.
ReplyDeleteMany times we've seen this strategy where the cheater accuses the innocent spouse of being a cheater. Even davis the cheater teaches the same. (By example too!)
These guys with serious sins try to over-control everyone else and falsely accuse innocent people of being guilty; but these false accusers are the ones with major skeletons in their closets. And they know it. That's why they try to divert everyone else's attention with smokescreen issues like FaceBook purges.
The problem isn't facebook. "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed." (from the book of James, chapter 1).
LUST is the problem. The dude needs to pray and crucify the flesh. "Period". It doesn't matter if he has fb, tv, dvd's, or a window. If he or she has lust in the heart, THAT is the issue.
Purging fb is a scam. And the one crying DELETE is the one with the problem.
We call this strategy for hiding sin by accusing others:
"The one who smelt it dealt it."
It's just that simple. Somebody farts; and in an attempt to hide the fact that they farted, they lie and act like they don't know who did it. They crinkle their nose, and loudly proclaim, "DUDE! WHO FARTED!?!"
Well we don't have to sniff that bad odor to know YOU DID; YOU LYING HOUND!
That's all this facebook purging mess is too. kekel and miller have dirt to hide so they yell, "IT'S THAT EVIL FACEBOOK."
Ridiculous! (And smells just as bad as the illustrative example!)
Good catch Anonymous!
Don and Ange
Good catch Anonymous!
ReplyDeleteIt was me Bro Johnson! Ha ha!
God Bless!!
Rev Briggs wrote in his biopic in the NTCC Good News>
ReplyDeleteTIS' SO SWEET TO TRUST IN JESUS. Here are just some of the highlights of what is only the beginning of very great things to come!
• One man prayed for a financial miracle on the first night of the Revival and by the end of the week he was $6,500 richer.
- Why does this not happen to me??
• Another of our preacher brethren did the same, needing a move of God in his finances, and was called early in week two and given close to $20,000.
- Was this MC Kekel?
Mr Briggs, what can I do or what do I need to do to get on the NTCC Financial Band Wagon? We are in a Recession!
Bro Johnson
Rev Briggs also wrote:
ReplyDeleteSo many prayed and received healings, one young man confined to a wheel chair by a drunk driver many years ago was standing by the end of one of our services.
- Did he sit back down in the Wheel Chair after the service? Did Rev Olson fly down to verify the miracle? Pictures! Pictures!
• Another young lady crippled from birth stretched forth a withered hand and arm to the ecstatic tears of her mother.
-Is the young lady's hand and arm COMPLETELY healed? Can she now play Badmitten?
Rev Briggs, these financial and healing claims seem too good to be true. You know what they say - If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is!!!
Sir, Your claims would gain validity if you were to actually document them and have Olson fly down to verify it.
Bro Johnson
Now NTCC is on You Tube, courtesy Rev Briggs:
ReplyDeleteNTCC Battle of the Brethren- Team Destination: Heaven
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3yUHATa7aI&feature=player_embedded
Briggs writes:
"This is a neat Out-Reach promotion that our church does to bring people to the house of God so they may come to know Jesus Christ as their own personal Lord and Savior. We split up in teams, I'm on team DESTINATION: HEAVEN".
So, looks like to get to heaven is the equivilant of playing a game?!?
Rev Briggs writes on his website which is copywrited, and I quote
"Well, the Battle of the Brethren has gotten off to a great start. Game one is just about to wind down but no team can be counted out. In Game one between Elliott Perryman’s “Team Praise” and Paul Hernandez’s “Destination Heaven” the score is 21 to 14 with Destination Heaven in the lead. Both teams are in scoring position so it’s any ones guess how this Battle of the Brethren will end up.
In Game Two Jesse Hernandez’s “Heaven Bound” faces stiff competition from Jessica Frazier’s “Soldier’s for Christ”. The score as of last night was 21 to 7 with Heaven Bound leading. S4C is on the 10 yard line and stands within scoring position."
Would RW Davis approve of this tactic to get people to church?
Bro Johnson
Dear Readers,
ReplyDeleteBriggs continues to dumbfound me. He writes on his website, which is copywrited, and I quote:
"These first two games end this Thursday (Thanksgiving Day). The Winners will go on to play the losing teams from the opposite game as we work our way to the Super Bowl!
If you are from another church and would like more information about this outstanding Soul Winning tool just write me at pastor@ntccpasadenatx.org."
SINCE WHEN DOES NTCC ROLL OUT THE RED CARPET FOR OTHER CHURCHES CONCERNING SOUL WINNING AT ALL?????
Back in the day, NTCC had NO CONTACT with other churches, to include NO OUTREACH with other churches, which is what Briggs is currently doing
From Wikipedia:
"The NTCG leadership eventually severed their ties with all outside churches, ministers, and ministries. They also distanced themselves from all other denominations by requiring that only those who had graduated from their own seminary could minister in their churches, and that their pastors could not maintain positions in any non-NTCG churches"
Yea, this is a BIG Contradiction!
CAUGHT YA WITH YOUR PANTS DOWN!!!
Bro Johnson
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteIt appears, and I say APPEAR cautiously that Rev Ashmore has regretted the way he use to preach, according to his blog, Christ my Glory
http://web.me.com/yavov/JESUS_MY_GLORY/About_Me.html
I used to minister in a way that was perhaps more a ministry of judgment, trying to be like some preacher of the past like Charles Finney, Jonathan Edwards, etc.., only to find I was following a pattern that was not necessarily the pattern of God’s Gospel.
I feel that He might have told me the same thing in years past when I prided myself in being a preacher of so-called righteousness, when, in fact, the righteousness I preached was not necessarily that righteousness set forth in the New Testament.
Looks like Ashmore has a change of heart?
Bro Johnson
ntcc on YouTube
ReplyDeleteNTCC Battle of the Brethren- Team Destination: Heaven
Yes Ashmore probably does have a change in heart but that fact will only be self evident if and when he leaves the NTCC.
ReplyDeleteIn addition to that, Ashmore recently openly ridiculed and belittled an individual who called me and spoke of his abusive nature. The way he treated this individual was flat out wrong and unloving. I'm not a fan of Mr. Ashmore and to him that is of no consequence, but the fact once again is that he is still with the NTCC. His conduct and the conduct of other ministers can't be bothering him too much or else he would leave.
Jeff
All should go on the you tube. Stick up links to the blogs. Folks can see the Real truth about ntcc. Not this jargon filled COMMERCIAL about the cult!
ReplyDeleteBorg Assimilation, The M-word, and Making Money ntcc - style
ReplyDeleteNope. It's not a typo. It's "M" as in ...
Through the teeth, past the Gums, Lookout stomach, here it comes!
ReplyDeleteHappy Thanksgiving!
Hello everyone,
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone know the exact dates for the following conferences?
Fall 2009 (in Graham)
Fall 2007 (in Graham)
Spring 2005
I am working on an article, and these dates would help.
Thanks,
Gregory
Gregory,
ReplyDeleteI was brainstorming how to assist you with your request and then it hit me.
If you have cprevious copies of The Trumpet as I recall announcements of Conference are always announced!!
Hope this helps
Bro Johnson
Bro Johnson,
ReplyDeleteI have all copies of the Trumpet from the first issue, until November of 2008.
I have yet to find the answer, which is why I asked for help.
You are right, it is probably in there, and I just missed it. If someone can't help me, I will look again some other day.
It's also probably on old FACTNet, or in a comment on Jeff's Blog (at least the dates of the Fall 2009 Conference).
Gregory
Sorry I can't help. I didn't keep any record of the dates nor do I know where to look for them.
ReplyDeleteJeff
Hey! I remember my boyfriend and I being told by our first pastor at NTCC that we were to young to marry at 21 and 20. They always Highly incouraged/pressured/
ReplyDeletepreached/taught me to go to Bible College and be a pastor's wife. I became so irritated about hearing,"when your a pastor's wife", that I finally told the pastor's wife, "I am not going to be a pastor's Wife"! They even tried to hook me up with a bible college brother of my same race. Probably a coincedence that he was the same race, and I did entertained the idea, but my heart and mind were hurt. I had a great relationship with my fiance at that time. He was everything that I thought a husband and future father should be for me. I really always wanted to have an honorable big wedding with alot of family and loved ones, you know like the fancy weddings in the bible. My mind and heart went through alot during those times. My fiance wanted to have a secret wedding at the justice of the peace, but I cared to much what the church would think. Luckily a Pastor Change took place and a whole bunch of couples took advantage of him not knowing us, and we all got married as quickly as possible. Forbid not to marry. How in the world does one thing get preached, yet they know we will obey the man who has rule over us is a stronger verse, and they will control members decisions, but hey! don't forget, that it is Biblical. They also know they are going to get members burning in lust, and feeling low and miserable as failures to God. That must mean alot if your own pastor won't bless your marriage. I am incredibly Greatfull for my many years of Marraige to my incredibly loving husband. I am free, because I can easily forgive NTCC, but somehow my life all in all has turned out Good. My husband also pursuaded me to break some NTCC rules and have fun sometimes, you know bowling,dvds,internet so we could communicate sometimes. Now I don't even feel tormented about going to the Movie Theater,and if we decide the movie is inapropriate we simply walk out. It's my perrogative I can do what I want to do, and I serve God.
Thankyou mighty God!