I've raised this question because of my recent experiences leading up to and through the holidays. Sometime after Christmas, I began to think about just how good life has been recently since I left the NTCC. Let me quantify this statement. I have a great job which is as good as I could have ever hoped for and better than any job I ever had while I was with the NTCC. I had almost 2 weeks off during the Christmas holidays with full pay. I get 4 days off for every federal holiday that exists. I earn a great salary, fantastic vacation benefits/time off. Health care benefits which are of no additional cost to me and cover my entire family. Dental care which costs next to nothing and covers my whole family and a huge life insurance policy which will take care of my family in the event that I have an untimely death. Great daytime work hours and weekends off. A fantastic retirement plan. Need I go on? My family and I are currently in the middle of a holiday / Christmas vacation where we are all off work or school at the same time for nearly two weeks or more. Everything is working out far better than I could have possibly dreamed of and that is an understatement.So where are all the curses which NTCC preachers boldly proclaimed would be awaiting anyone who unwittingly decided to leave their sacred organization? What happened to the eminent financial destitution? Where are all the family problems? Where is the pain and sorrow that NTCC preachers promised would come? I'll tell you where it all is. NTCC preachers/false prophets are full of crap and I have no problem saying so. It was no more than a scare tactic used to convince people that leaving the NTCC would be a fate worse than death itself. It was a scare tactic used for no other reason than to try and keep people in the NTCC for the NTCC leadership's own selfish reasons.
I like having "a lot" of time off, which I get. I like spending much time with my family, which I do. I like living in a nice house, which I have. I like seeing my wife driving in a safe, reliable car, which she has. I like not having to constantly be concerned with money, which I have. I like seeing my kids being well taken care of like Pastor Kekel's son, which they are. I'm convinced that had I stayed in the NTCC, I wouldn't have the good life which I enjoy right now. Life was a struggle in the NTCC; that is if you followed their rules. Oh, and I don't get my money from a bunch of struggling church members. I like what Paul said. "I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself." I'd like to see an NTCC minister try that one. NTCC ministers won't do that because they think they are entitled. NTCC ministers are a bunch of spoiled brats who quite often are afraid of keeping a real job. They think everyone should take care of them but it's clear that Paul didn't think that the Corinthian Church was going to take care of him and he didn't allow it. What? Paul made the whole Corinthian church go to hell? I don't think so.
I know a guy who lives here in Columbus, Georgia who has been with the NTCC for years and years. He and I used to be in the same NTCC church before I left. He feels like he lives a good, prosperous life and he does. He gives God all the glory for his prosperity but there is a catch, (at least according to NTCC standards). He attributes his financial success to the fact that he pays tithes, but there is another catch, (at least according to NTCC standards). His wife has had a job as long as they've been married. She hosts her own TV show. She attends a different church while he attends the NTCC. He has a TV in his house. She wears pants and cuts her hair and so on. He works during the week in the evening time, (by his choice) which results in him missing services. Face it; he has never genuinely followed the NTCC rules so sure he has it good. Stick a dress on his wife and pull her out of the work force and cut off that extra income and live by a schedule where he "never misses services" and see just how miserable life becomes. He'd loose his job. Pull the TV completely out of his house like we did. Let him tell his wife that he is leaving her to go to the NTCS because she doesn't want to "get in" or make her life so miserable that she leaves him like so many other NTCCer's have done before. Sure this guy has it good because he has never genuinely followed the NTCC rules and anyone else who has it good in the NTCC doesn't and hasn't followed the rules either to include the Kekels and the Davis'.
How can you NTCCers, who claim to be Christians, live such hypocritical lives while claiming you are a part of some great spiritual organization knowing what I write is totally true? I don't know how you guys do it? Where in the world is your conscience? Do you even have one? The only reason you stay with the NTCC is to save face or because you are too blind and brainwashed to face the facts. I don't care how the NTCC has changed or if it's getting quote, "better". You guys who've been around the NTCC for a while know how it used to be or have you forgotten so quickly? At a minimum, (if I were an NTCCer) I would have no faith or trust in guys like Davis, Olson, Jones and Ashmore.
Well I live a good life now since I've left the NTCC, and do you call that being cursed? You decide.
Jeff
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteYou are missing the whole point. When you submit yourself to the NTCC you are supposed to live like a pauper so you can be blessed in the afterlife. According to the book of His Highness the Rev. Dr. R.W.Davis P.H.D. D.D.S. who has achieved Super Apostle status, you are supposed to be poor in this life so you can prosper in the life to come. Unless of course you are the chosen of God, called to be an executive board member, CEO, President or hold the Founder title. Then you are exempt from a life of sacrifice.
Sacrifice is for the members of the Borg who are supposed to live off of bare necessity so they can accomplish God's will by offering themselves up as a sacrifice, (holy and acceptable to the ntcc leadership), So that God will bless them with eternal life.
While they are told that if they pay their tithe that God will bless them, the reality is that they never see those blessings in this life. Those blessings are bestowed upon the chosen ones who have already lived their life of sacrifice (supposedly), and now are no longer required to live like paupers.
At end of the rainbow is where the poor downcast souls of the ntcc are to receive their pots of gold. The blessings that we receive as non-ntcc'rs come from a different source, according to the self-righteous keepers of the holiness fire (that has begun to dim). We are supposedly of the devil and our riches are obtained sinfully, therefore, our rewards are found only on this earth.
This is the teaching of the ntcc in a nutshell. They are right and everyone else is wrong. Will they have to give an account for all of the lost souls they have destroyed along the way? What happens if they find out that they are the pharisees and religious leaders of this time, that suffered others to be excluded from the kingdom of God because they themselves were not entering in?
If heaven is that exclusive and if God only blesses those that prosper off of the hard work, giving and love of the same ones they hold back, then what's the point, and who are they going to be kings and priests over? They are living like kings now in this life, will there be a place in heaven them to rule also? It's not my place to say but we'll take our chances and continue to help the afflicted and reach out to our fellow man in true Christian charity and just maybe our God will be able to bless us in this life along the way.
Don and Ange wrote...
ReplyDeleteSacrifice is for the members of the Borg who are supposed to live off of bare necessity so they can accomplish God's will by offering themselves up as a sacrifice
Jeff said...
The NTCC has created a never ending cash flow, so the type of sacrifice that was once mandated is no longer required. Go to a secular college like GK and live a stable life like the folks in Graham. You'd be crazy to do otherwise. Give to the poor, needy, fatherless and widow and stop lining the NTCC leadership's pockets. That is true religion. I don't find one example in the New Testament which shows a church leader getting monetarily rich of his congregates. I can certainly find the opposite. The NTCC is Laodicea big time. If you cant see that you know nothing of the scriptures.
Jeff
Great post Jeff,
ReplyDeleteIt's been a while since I left the ntcc, and much has taken place since that time. All of the preaching about how God was going to bless you and how that if you left you would be cursed was just another lie that they would use to keep you in your place. Life is such a "blessing" without ntcc. All of the things that I was supposed to be blessed with while in the ntcc that I kept waiting for never came.
Now after years of our lives have been wasted, our youth is gone, we are starting to receive the good things in life. It's just a beginning but we'll take it as God sees fit. We used to receive just the crumbs from the table of the spiritual rulers of the ntcc, now we are receiving more than scraps.
The doctrine of giving all you have to make a few rich is what "secular" churches teach so they can have their diamond pinky rings and ugly Cadillacs and Motor Homes and mansions. The cash flow that we created during our time and the real estate that we financed has given them the ability to live the rest of their lives in luxury while they use themselves as examples of what your life would supposedly be like if you followed all of their man-made rules.
This is the conclusion that I have come to concerning this line of thought. The ntcc leadership actually thinks they are doing God's work; they have believed a lie, they have seared their consciences with a hot iron; they will continue to pedal their holiness or hell doctrine so long as it creates a willingness to give until it hurts, with no real care for the ones that support them.
One of the best gifts that was given to us is that we are free from the ntcc. We now are able to allow God to bless us without our blessings being sucked up into a black hole. God tried to bless us so many times in the ntcc, but we gave our blessings to the leaders of the ntcc so they could live off of everyone elses blessings.
I'm not sure how they can live like that. All I know is that when you work for it and God allows it, freedom is sweeter, prosperity tastes better and life is richer. Happy New Years to you and your family Jeff, and to all who follow these blogs. Better days are coming.
Don and Ange, Happy New Years to you guys also. Yeah, the NTCC sure did give us the scraps from the masters table. They are some mentally sick people. I'm convinced. Getting rich while watching your people quit their jobs so they can attend conference is a sick practice. RWD encouraged it. One particular conference, I listened to RWD promote the practice of quiting your job if necessary to attend conference. He said that God could give you a better one.
ReplyDeleteThat is such psychological, mind bending, brainwashing garbage. Listen people: Don't even consider quiting your job so you can attend conference. Don't spend the last of your money or even close so you can attend conference. Don't think that God will bless you for doing so. That is pure stupidity and the last time I checked, the Bible says you've denied the faith and your worse than an infidel if you fail to provide for your family. Going broke or begging for money to attend conference is not providing for your family. You ain't even saved according to the NTCCs logic and frankly your not saved according to the Bible either. If a man doesn't work he ought not to eat. You don't go to conference when you are broke and you could be back at home working. You don't go to church if you are broke and you can't provide for your family and you could be working.
I'll take it one step further and a lot of folks won't like to read or agree with this. If you don't have food so your family can eat, and you don't put food on your table but instead you pay tithe? You didn't provide for your own and you are still worse than an infidel and you've denied the faith.
So many NTCC people are all worried about paying tithe and going to conference but they are not even providing for their families. According to the Bible they are not even saved, they've denied the faith and they and they are worse then an infidel. You better provide for your families and let the rest follow. Christianity is about "loving your neighbor" which includes your family. Not about lining some greedy preachers pockets. Do you think God wants your little boy or girl to be hungry and not have enough food just so you can put money in some greedy preachers pocket? That is not Christianity, that is legalism!!!!
You are worried about going to hell if you don't pay your tithe? You better be worried about going to hell because you aren't taking care of your family!!! I'd rather answer to God for not lining NTCC leaders pockets than not taking care of my family while acting like a beggar and always crying about not having money because I'm not working enough. Working and providing for your family is more important than that extra church service or conference.
You don't know the first thing about Jesus or Paul's teachings or Christianity if all you do is go to church and as a result you are running around broke looking for a handout. And then Sis Ashmore thinks it's great that just two weeks prior to conference you are broke and you don't know where the money is going to come from. Sis Ashmore needs to learn about few things about Christianity and the importance of taking care of your family and not going to a conference broke.
Man some NTCCers don't know the first thing about Christianity. The NTCC has people seriously confused and backwards.
Jeff
................................PREACH!
ReplyDelete................................AMEN!
ReplyDeleteDon and Ange said, "Then you are exempt from a life of sacrifice."
ReplyDeleteHunter O says,
Where do I sign up for dat? I ain't waintin' for no dumb pot of gold at the end of some sissy rainbow to get mine! I'm takin' it now!
HO
I got the lizards in my amen corner. That's what I'm talking about. I don't know who they are but I'll take em. They keep me preaching.
ReplyDeleteJeff
I guess even lizards have enough common sense to know what's right and what's wrong.
ReplyDeleteIf a man doesn't work he ought not to eat. You don't go to conference when you are broke and you could be back at home working.
ReplyDeleteJeff, that is a true comment. yesterday I saw what appeared to be a homeless vet, you could tell the guy was an amputee from the knee down by the interstate begging for a handout.
I would have to say that is the only time I have ever felt sorry for an individul but then common sense continued to kick in.
IT IS SO EASY FOR THIS GUY TO GET A JOB!!! If this guy was a vet, he has to be getting disability, probably between 50 - 70 percent for life. Being handicap, it would be too easy to get a job with VA. Some people are so proud to get a job because it is BELOW THEM or lowers their standard of living but IT IS A JOB, we are in a Recession!!!
I once knew a brother who thought he had to pay back to NTCC THOUSANDS of dollars of back tithe "TO CATCH UP" up to the point that he got saved. The last time I checked, Salvation is free and does not cost one anything, you cannot pay for it, right? This guy got sucked by some low life scum bag NTCC preacher to ensure his paycheck and plenty more to come for YEARS!!!
NTCC are Masters at mind manipulation.
NTCC keeps you in a DEPRESSION for life!!!
Bro Johnson
"This guy got sucked by some low life scum bag NTCC preacher"
ReplyDeleteCORRECTION:
What I meant to say is the guy got SUCKERED not the former!!!
That was a close one!
Bro Johnson
Bro Johnson said...
ReplyDeleteI once knew a brother who thought he had to pay back to NTCC THOUSANDS of dollars of back tithe "TO CATCH UP" up to the point that he got saved.
Jeff said...
No doubt a low life NTCC preacher taught him that. There in no way that could be what salvation is all about. Paying to get to heaven? No way. By grace are you saved through faith. Not, by grace are you saved through the tithe that you pay. Once again I'll tell you this: If you don't provide for your family you have denied the faith and you are worse than an infidel.
Back tithe is a bunch of garbage. Whatever. The NTCC won't be getting another dime out of me and they won't be getting another dime out of anyone else that I can influence. If tithing is so cut and dry than why does the NTCC so deceitfully use 1 Cor 16:2 in their doctrinal statement support paying tithe when it obviously has nothing at all to do with paying tithe? The NTCC is bogus.
Yeah Malachi is clear but the Old Testament also teaches that if you have a child that is drunken and rebellious, you take him to the center of town and stone him or her to death!!! I don't see the NTCC trying that one or any other church that teaches mandatory tithing. I don't see the NTCC recognizing all the Jewish festivals either but I forgot, that was done away with by the dispensation of grace. I could go on and on about what the NTCC fails to recognize from Old Testament but you can best believe that paying tithe ain't one of them. The NTCC is notorious for selectively taking the old testament to support their agenda and leaving it out when it doesn't. There is a whole lot in the Old Testament that the NTCC ignores but once again you can best believe that paying tithe ain't one of them.
Jeff
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteI really enjoyed my 18 days off of paid leave which was earned, I worked for it.
Not ONE dime went to NTCC. My wife and I decided to pay tithe to where it helps but not hurts.
Newsflash: We cannot pay the full 10 percent, but we do pay what we can, better than most...When i can pay it I will, but when it comes to family, you gotta take care of your family, hands down.
Your only getting older, but NTCC is only getting RICHER.
Now, I will enjoy the perks of an oversear without swindling peoples pockets to get it!!!
I watched Star Wars the other day. It is a good representation of NTCC. NTCC is the Evil Empire. Kekel is Darth Vador. Davis is the evil Emperor. The Storm Troopers are NTCC church members.
The Rebel faction are Ex NTCC members freeing themselves from NTCC oppression.
Jeff, you remind me of Obi One Kenobi. "use the Force (aka WAKE UP FROM THE MIND CONTROL OF NTCC) Luke" aka aka Freedom from NTCC
It is so real it is funny!
Bro Johnson
Johnson,sorry but your got ntcc still oozing out of your comments. As if you KNOW why that man is homeless. You can just look at him and know that he does not want to take a job below him. AS IF!
ReplyDeleteOne thing being in ntcc did to me. is that I CAN NOT look at someone and think I know everything that is going on. Or if someone is a Christian or not a christian,saved or not saved,ect. was close to being homeless while in ntcc,we went to food banks while in ntcc. and my husband was working three jobs. Can apply for a job with the VA,doesn't mean you will get a job.
No longer prejudging people!
April
Hunter,
ReplyDeleteWhy do you call it a 'sissy' rainbow? I resent that!
EZ
Jeff said, "The NTCC is notorious for selectively taking the old testament to support their agenda and leaving it out when it doesn't."
ReplyDeleteZeek says,
That sounds like a dangerous custom. We are not to add or take away from the scripture. It is not open to private interpretation.
Using God's Word to support a private agenda is wrong. God will judge that! He was very upset with people who turned His house into a den of thieves!
Zeek
Hunter,
I agree with EZ on your use of this word, 'sissy'. I still remember you calling me a 'sissy salamander' and it really hurt! You should try to be more considerate Hunter!
Jeff said, "I got the lizards in my amen corner. That's what I'm talking about."
ReplyDeleteLarch says,
................................AMEN!
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ReplyDeleteJeff said, "I don't know who they are but I'll take em. They keep me preaching."
ReplyDeleteLurch says,
...............................PREACH!
Zeek and EZ, you guys are such wimps! I'm not changin' for nobody! I told you, I got mad cold latent skills and YOU CAN'T TOUCH THIS.
ReplyDeleteHO
"Johnson,sorry but your got ntcc still oozing out of your comments. As if you KNOW why that man is homeless"
ReplyDeleteApril, I can appreciate your point of view, but my stance on this stands firm.
We are the sum total of all of the choices we have ever made. I choose to be victorious. I choose to be Free.
Christ stated that He would supply all of our needs, Children of the King are not suppose to live like beggers, that is not what is suppose to come with the eternal kingdom package.
Do you see Price Henry or Price Edward on the side of the street beggng for a handout? NO! They are children of the King and Queen. They get 10 Million bucks when they turn 21 years of age.
If their earthly father would want them to have good things on this earth, how much more does our heavenly father want us to have all good things as He owns the cows on a thousand hills.
I mean, that is what the Bible says, that is what we are suppose to believe.
I utterly refuse a handout. God has blessed too much and will continue to bless ANY wise steward.
I could not say that when I was in the NTCC. While in the NTCC, I would have mooched off of others because they indirectly program their members to have a poverty mentality. I did not have any money left over.
As a man thinks, so is he. I pray I never find myself in that situation if it was LEGIT, but 99 tmes out of 100 they are all scam artist, some of those folks are dangerous and will hold you up at gunpoint or worse.
Speaking of scams, NTCC is one of the top 5 religious scams of the 20TH Century. How many Ministers of NTCC are living in Mansions? 2? The Flounder (yes, I said it - FLOUNDER!!) and his Son In Law!!!
No, I do not believe in the Get Saved and God will make you Super Rich idea either, but I do believe he will supply all of our wants and needs, and some left over.
So, if NTCC is ozzing out of my comments that is a good thing! That means I am becoming purified.
'Nuff Said!
Bro Johnson
Your the sum total of all your decisions. Mmmm,know where do I remember someone always saying that?
ReplyDeleteAgain,I am not going to prejudge ANYONE. those that are on the streets. Or how folks live there lives. As one wise lady told me,that is between them and God. And that is how I will also live my life.
Since it is non of my bussiness.
April
The funny thing here is that I can relate with both of you. If you get up, put on your pants or dress or whatever else you might be wearing and go to work (on time), then usually (with some exceptions) you'll keep a job and do whats necessary to provide for yourself. God gives many of us a brain to do exactly that.
ReplyDeleteMany homeless people but certainly not nearly all, are in that predicament because of the choices they've made in life. Many however, are in that predicament due to little fault of their own.
Everyone is not the same. However with that being said, 99% of NTCCers who are essentially financially broke are that way because of a crooked NTCC system which is set up to keep them that way.
It's called having control and if the NTCC leadership can control your money they can control you. Why? Because without money, you develop a mentality where you feel you are reliant upon them under the pretense that you are relying on God. If they can keep you broke they can keep you caged. If they can keep you feeling that you don't need that much money they really have you caged. They teach you that it's about trusting God and you should not worry about money. The end result is that you remain in a perpetual state of financial destitution thinking that it's ok to live with essentially no money. RWD teaches that you should have and save money while at the exact same time he also teaches that if it's necessary, you should quit your job in order to attend conference and trust the lord to provide.
There in lies the NTCC trick and the NTCC leadership has been pulling this same trick on their people for decades. It's diabolical, sinister, and crooked to the core and I hate it. The NTCC leadership is focused on one thing. To get as much of your money as humanly possible and they've done a good job at it.
Jeff
Better...much better!
ReplyDeleteAble to to search the scripture for the best understanding with no pressure to accept one mans interpretation.
Able to take a dissenting position while fellow shipping with other believers because they have enough humility to realize we can all learn from each other.
Involved in those services and programs at church that I feel I want to commit to and am not participating because how I will be perceived. (honest motives feel great)
Two car family for the first time.
Making more money...much more.
Better educated and plan on getting some more. The wife is going to school also.
Visit family regularly and take vacations just to recharge the batteries.
Respected and valued by those I associate with.
Belong to a church with open books and board oversight. (Helps to keep honest people honest. Why would an honest person want to go without it?)
We are family planning too...its no longer taboo.
Best Health insurance I've had in years. Job stability helps!
I'm in management now. Job stability and flexibility in my schedule pays dividends.
btw - I previously posted on here as NTCC Minister BS, MA. The land deal was the event that prompted me to seek greener and more honest pasture.
NTCC Minister said...
ReplyDeletebtw - I previously posted on here as NTCC Minister BS, MA. The land deal was the event that prompted me to seek greener and more honest pasture.
Jeff said...
Hello. Long time. I'm glad to hear of your good fortune and I understand.
Jeff
I didn't have time this morning to post much. This is great news. For all who don't know, NTCC Minister used to regularly post here. I am absolutely overjoyed to here of his good fortune. His testimony was outstanding. Look at how good life has been for to him since he left (I would presume) the NTCC.
ReplyDeleteJob stability, freedom of thought and expression, planning a family (YEAH), able to take time off because the body does get burnt out, the wife is going to school, (and she needs to because he can't guarantee that he will always be around) great health insurance, two cars (which any secure man wouldn't have a problem having)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm sure there is a whole lot more but you get the picture.
Come on y'all. This is the life that God can provide when you don't let some controlling organization stifle God's blessings. I am so happy for NTCC Minister. Thank you very much for the wonderful testimony!! God can be very good to us when we allow him. The NTCC is a master at preventing God's blessings.
Sincerely and V/R,
Jeff
NTCC Minister, B.S., M.A., [now FORMER ntcc Minister :-)] . . .
ReplyDeleteSo glad to hear you and your family are now free of the ntcc! We're also glad to learn that God is blessing you abundantly.
Hope you continue to post, since your voice matters!
Don and Ange
I'm not going to get into details now but if it's possible, the NTCC is worse than I thought. The tricks these guys pull are absolutely astounding. It's so easy now to see right through all the decisions that the NTCC leaders make. They will do practically anything to try and keep NTCCers separated while preventing them from talking to each other. One of their biggest tricks is to control the flow of information.
ReplyDeleteJeff
I usually read- but rarely say anything here, beloved. but... I do appreciate Jeff for continuing this.. open fearless discussion. Openness breeds liberty and freedom and LIFE in REALITY.
ReplyDeleteThis Christmas I was thinking of sending a letter and my music CD to the Cokers in W. VA. (To their apartment.) I thought, oh boy the borg really pummelled him to the ground as a "loser" and failure.
As I sit in my fine home on a hillside overlooking the city below. With my 3 cars outside, money in the bank, and as a minister in my Church, leading the music, teaching, preaching praying.. in a church where people are not afraid to question the pastor even during a service... we are not governed by FEAR. No intimidation tactics here.
Still knowing that its not how rich you are or poor you are... but what you are that counts. NTCC is actually a MEAN spirited bunch. WE all know that now. Here I sit, loving God, and God loving me... not rejected as NTCC says... but having become a true prophet by God's standards... hearing and seeing into the spirit realm many times, acc to the Spirit. These specifics I will not here delve into.
But I only say this to confirm to you, beloved, that God IS outside the NTCC, contrary to what they have all taught. Do not fear anymore. See John 9- Jesus seeks out those kicked out of "religious" groups.
I and we here are not boasting of what we have. We are confirming no CURSE on those who leave. Rather it appears those who stay in NTCC are cursed. Cursed to never know the WORD this side of glory. Cursed to never be able to think REAL thoughts, that will lead you to a conclusion that really RW never really knew the WORD like he portrayed he did. You all got fooled.
Now the result is wishy washy teaching that is sterile, lite, and ignorant of GOD in a thousand ways, beloved.
What I meant is THEIR leftover scrappy preaching/teaching/hollering is a raspy mean-spirited thing that does not represent The Lord Jesus.
ReplyDeleteThey have lost natural affection. This dry, meanness trickles from their source: A mean old man who always told us- "People made me the way I am" Well, at least I recall his words. He could not accept any criticism, which can be very healthy especially for big fat boastful preachers...
They delight in screaming at others but will not lift up the heavy burdens they put on other people even with their little finger. They better read book of James!
Beloved- sorry for the deletions- I was having difficulty posting... and multiple messages occurred...
ReplyDeleteJeff,
ReplyDeleteYour going to roll when you hear MC Kekel's responses to my questions.
I will give this to MC Kekel: He dishes it out as well as he takes it. He is man enough to state what he believes to be truth.
I communicated with Mr. Kekel via emai over a month ago which was very polite and all mushy gushy. I wished him well and asked a question. He never responded.
I then was more direct and brash with him on his website, which, to his credit he took the time to rebutt my questions and pasted my questions under the "Comments" portion under his Church Choir debacle commentary.
I was pretty heated when I saw that NTCC Church Choir. Remember I stated that I was going to contact him about that. MC Kekel came out on the defensive and SWINGING!!! Well, I am not going to back down. He ran into the wrong guy.
This post is kind of long, I might have to cut and past this on a continuation blog, so here goes, and enjoy!
Me: Shouldn't you be soul winning Kekel? Souls are dying and on their way to hell. We do not have time to sing Kum Ba Ya!!
Davis used to frown upon this. Have you lost your mind?? We do not have tme to vist old people whose minds are made up whom they are going to serve. The Bible states serve the Lord in the Days of your Youth. These people are past your help now.
Why dont you go blitz Walmart or something?
Concerned Brother!!
MC Kekel response:
Hi anon,
Thanks for the comment, but you didn't read the Phil 4(8-9) first. You are neither concerned nor a brother; please consider seeking counseling.
Me: Rev Kekel, yea, I know it well.
Go back 10 years in NTCC and no one, certainly not Pastor Davis nor any Minister nor YOU would be caught dead doing the things you are doing now.
Singing Christmas Carols? Over Mom and Pop Gaylords Dead Body!
Having access to the Internet? NTCC use to call it the "Sinnernet"
Using YouTube to promote NTCC? So wordly.
Ever heard of the Devilvision? I did not know what one was until it was preached against by multiple NTCC preachers! Brother Aviles threw his out of a second story window. Oh, wait, he is no longer in NTCC!!!
NTCC Preachers with Facebook pages? Rev Moses is an advocate of Facebook, got good pics of him and his wife on it. Are we missing something here?
Having a renegade preacher in Texas buy a 30 sec TV spot to promote NTCC? I thought Preachers in the Org were not suppose to own TVs.
I am not too comfortable with the guys wearing robes anyway. Kind of looks like a dress to me.
I am most definitely concerned with the Direction NTCC is heading. Looks like too much compromise to me. I am my brother's keeper. I don't need counseling.
As far as NTCC is concerned: The whole head is sick, and the whole heart faint.
Jesus is coming!!! Are you Ready?? If singing Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer is your morbid idea of winning folks to Christ, then you have really gone off the deep in.
Concerned Brother who believes in Preaching the Truth in Holy Spirt Power!!!!!
Continued from last blog:
ReplyDeleteMC Kekel response: You still haven't read Phil 4 (8-9) as your comment is not Holy Spirit power, but flesh. Here's a list for you...
*The carols came from conservative Christian hymnals, the same ones that Mom and Pop used; Hymns of Glorious Praise
*As always, the "sinnernet" is what people make it. Do you mean sins like visiting people's blogs and verbally assaulting them with childish foolishness? Intemperate displays of inflammatory, insensitive hate speech? Is that what sinners use the Internet for?
*You-tube as a technology itself isn't worldly but, like TV, some content is; our video wasn't
*I've heard of devil-vision, but a TV is only a device with no indwelling devils. I SOLD mine when I got saved, instead of destroying it, and Bro. Aviles is not OUT of NTCC, he's somewhere preaching and I communicate with him regularly.
*Bro. Moses has been out a long time, and I have emailed with him a few times. Their heartburn was Rony Denis.
*Bro. Briggs (aka "Renegade Ranger") doesn't have a TV. You must have seen the commercial I take it? How?
*Jesus wore a robe, as well as the priests of the OT Covenant, and I'll have a really nice one in heaven
*Why are you concerned with the way NTCC is heading? If we tarry till He comes, what is that to thee?
*If you would put your sword down and listen to the songs, you won't hear anything about Santa or Rudolph, but you will hear about Jesus.
*It's "Deep End"
*Yes, I'm ready
*You are the one who is sick in the head and faint of heart, or you wouldn't be talking that way. Even a compromiser isn't sold out. We will hereinafter refer to you as Dolph, because you are so rude.
Happy New Year everyone,
M C Kekel
MC Kekel responds again: Oh I forgot, Mom and Pop actually had two separate bodies
MCK
Continuation from earlier blog:
ReplyDeleteMy Rebuttal:
Mr Kekel,
Forgive Me, I should have introduced myself.
You know who I am, Bro Johnson. I previously posted as Concerned Brother.
Forgive me for being so brash, but the NTCC has conducted themselves in a manner which a church member would have been flayed before the church in demeaning and abusive tactics.
I have been through quite a few NTCC preachers, so I know what I am talking about.
Maybe it is just me. I have gone through some of your best Pastors. Reverands Macdonald, Olivares, Devonshire, Bellamy, Stevens, Gandy. They all have preached the same things to me.
Maybe I was just that naive to have hope and belive in them and the cause for Christ!
A church member would have been ridiculed and embarrased by any NTCC Pastor for going caroling in any church I have ever attended, evn more so if it was during one of the service times.
Rev Briggs ADVERTISES the NTCC promotional commerical on his Torch Website. That is how I heard about it and saw it with my own eyes. Google it!
He says that "He is his own Man" and has threated to take people to court of they paste and copy his copywrite material. I'm not making this up.
That is why I consider him renegade in thumbing his nose at Graham. Who paid for the 30 second NTCC commercials? Tithe payers? Did he pay out of his own pockets? Somebody had to pay for those commericals! If NTCC was transparent with their weekly budget we would know where every dime goes and is spent, would we not?
Bro Aviles is in Mexico right now. How can he still be in NTCC if you do not know exactly where he is at?
Are NTCC Ministers alowed to do their own thing? The last time I checked, NTCC does not support overseas ministries in Mexico.
I have personally communicated with him and his wife whom I both love and respect so I know the deal.
Not Rev Moses, I know about him. I meant to say Rev Malone.
Sir, I commend you for opening up NTCC, I'm not upset about that. I am upset about the fact that I and countless others were not allowed, I say again NOT ALLOWED to partake in these things while in NTCC.
To do so would have been spiritual death and we would have been condeemed to hell by the pastor nor allowed an acceptace letter to the Seminary. Again, I am not making this up.
It is not seeing church members do things that upsets me. Nor am I jealous. I wish no ill will on anyone. It is the FACT that I nor any other brother in the Servicemen's home in the recent past could not have partaken of these things when I was in NTCC. To do so would mean we were "Wrong with God"
Why the changes now? How come NTCC was not this open minded 10 years ago? Are our church funds drying up?
Why have Conference at Graham? I do not need to drive cross country 2,000 miles to listen to a grown man put on a skit for me to show me how to win someone to God. Some things just come natural when you really get saved.
Good luck to you, Sir, your going to need it!
Bro Johnson
For those of you who do not know me- my "term" I served was from 1973-1982 in the terrible NTCC. I say terrible- for I hoped to make REAL minister friends- alas, the only "friends" turned out to be the people who left the tyrrany of NTCC. Catch my drift?
ReplyDeleteI wish I could personally sit with each of you - not to gripe but to show you - how little NTCC knows about the WORD of God. But, many of you know already- they produce ignorant preachers: ignorant of the most essential things. How about love and mercy?
Y'all should have Bro Hernandez in El Paso, come and show you his good fruit in souls in Mexico! Yes I support them there! Too bad NTCC never supported their ministers! how backward is that? HQ grows rich while the ministers suffer poverty and lack in the field.
I have many non-NTCC ministers around the country. Mark Anderson does a great work (Peter Youngren knows him) in unreached areas of India with signs following all the time. NTCC never told you that, huh? Yes GOD is doing many things NTCC never let you know...
I say not to YOU, beloved, I speak to those still in the NTCC tyrranical rule!
"I have many non-NTCC ministers around the country. Mark Anderson does a great work (Peter Youngren knows him) in unreached areas of India with signs following all the time. NTCC never told you that, huh? Yes GOD is doing many things NTCC never let you know..."
ReplyDeleteDouble D, that is really interesting! When I was in Korea a man by he name of Brother Ravendran who had a wife and two children wanted to go to the NTCC Bible School and start a NTCC church in Mexico.
His response from Rev Davis was: NO!!! This is after he spends almost a year attending the Seoul church FAITHFULLY!!!
I thought NTCC was the world's last great hop for mankind? I guess RW Davis did not want the Cause of Christ to take root in India!!!
Bro Johnson
Double D, that is really interesting! When I was in Korea a man by he name of Brother Ravendran who had a wife and two children wanted to go to the NTCC Bible School and start a NTCC church in Mexico.
ReplyDeleteI stand corrected: INDIA, not Mexico!!!
Bro Johnson
To the previous NTCC Minister now free of NTCC:
ReplyDeleteThank you for your Service, now I pray Christ may use you in the way He wants,
Thanks for your unique insight, you will find nothing but open arms here!
We are all hurting to an extent over what we went through under the RULE of NTCC, some more than others, sometimes old wounds surfaces, but that is ok, for there is a Balm in Giliad!
God Bless you, Sir!
Bro Johnson
I wonder how Rev Brigg's Christmas Pagent went! Ha Ha so little girly!!
ReplyDeleteBro Johnson
Johnson,
ReplyDeleteI am not sure if your just making a joke. Or your really do not know. That a Christmas Pagent is a Christmas play. Kids Dress Up in costumes,and put on a play.
April
Here is the problem!!! Pastor Kekel is avoiding the whole issue even though what he wrote was correct. There is nothing wrong with caroling at the mall and he was right but that's not the issue. I don't see a problem with Pastor Briggs having a commercial but thats not the problem.
ReplyDeleteThe problem for the 1000th time is that everyone knows that all those types of activities were forbidden by all members of the NTCC leadership. Pastor Kekel is being totally false and untrue when he suggests otherwise. Here is the other problem. The NTCC leadership didn't just forbid that fellow NTCCers participate in those activities but they mocked other churches who did and they said that you'd go to hell if you did.
That is the problem and to a degree Pastor Kekel has admitted that but he still seems to dismiss those facts as though they are non credible with all kinds of loop holes.
For the record. RWD absolutely forbid that you participate in activities such as caroling while maintaining that knocking on doors would be a much better use of Gods time. If you did it anyway and RWD or Olson found out you would get blasted, plain and simple and you'd hear about it during conference or a fellowship meeting of during a regular church service. NTCC ministers have a long history of BLASTING there church members and fellow ministers for doing something that they had been told that they shouldn't and Pastor Kekel knows this.
I can't stand the NTCC. The NTCC is a parent who had two kids and beat the one viscously while letting the other one get away with the same infractions that the first one got beat, mistreated and abused for. That is the NTCC in a nutshell and their deeds I hate just like Jesus hated the deeds of the Nicolaitanes and the Bible states that. Jesus hates the deeds of the Nicolaitanes and I hate the deeds of the NTCC leadership.
Jeff
and the child that got beat sees how the other one gets to do what they want.
ReplyDeletethey confront their parent about it and the parent says
what are you talking about ? You can do the same things... I never beat you about those things. You need to seek counseling.
Pastor Briggs is all right with members who pay the mandatory 1/10th money payments. He went up to one person in his church that wasn't making the mandatory 1/10th money payments and asked him if he was still working or if he still had his job.
ReplyDeletePeople should require financial transparency but I've heard preachers insinuate that these mandatory 1/10 money payments are required to make your salvation complete. 1/10th money payments to the church are not required to make your salvation complete. Paul said if any man give let him give as he purposes in his heart.
Graham is all right with pastor Briggs as long as he sends in the mandatory 1/10 money payments from his church money to Graham. Pastor Briggs is happy with those members who pay the 1/10 mandatory money payments and Graham is happy with pastor Briggs if he pays the mandatory from his church. You see folks the utube & the other stuff is superficial, we can work with that, but if the mandatory 1/10th money payments are not in then pastor Briggs basically said, "please don't call me to visit you..."
Well Mr. Kekel we will have to call you Hypo sence you are such a Hypocrite!
ReplyDeleteThat would be "sInce" (typo). Please note the bIg I showing Hypo's prIde.
ReplyDeleteTry reading Gal. 5 and pay attention to the fruits of the Spirit. Read your comments and see for yourself what you are lacking.
Briggs I am going to guess has acess to TV. he might not have the actual box in his home. But he is very techie savie. You can make your Computer into a TV. Mike knows this since he knows all about the computer.
ReplyDeleteIf Briggs does not have acess to the TV. Why would he go and make a commercial for the TV. Wouldn't that make him a hgypocrite???
Also Mike can not admit that there has been changes in the last five years. MAJOR CHANGES! If he did that he would have to admit that how ntcc MADE folks live before was wrong and not directed by God. So he says,Oh God has told him differently. Gods talks to him. Following in Rw davis footsteps. Now God does not talk to Rw but he talks to Mike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can make your Computer into a TV. Mike knows this since he knows all about the computer.
ReplyDeleteYes, that's right! You can cut up a duck anyway you want to, from the inside out or the outside in. The bottom line is, at the end of the day, a duck is still a duck who quacks like a duck and walks like a duck. You cannot turn a duck into a zebra!!
Lizards are cool with me, though!
Bro Johnson
Bro Johnson said, "Lizards are cool with me, though!"
ReplyDeleteLarch says, ..........................AMEN!
Jeff said, "It's called having control and if the NTCC leadership can control your money they can control you."
ReplyDeleteHunter O says,
Dat's what I'm talkin' 'bout! Unh. Money is POWER, Playa! Like I said before, I ain't waitin' to gets mine at de end of da sissy rainbow! I won't change. Too bad for you Zeek an' EZ. You may BE green, EZ; but I'd rather HAVE GREEN. Lots of green!
HO
Don and Ange said, "Hope you continue to post, since your voice matters!"
ReplyDeleteLurch says, ..........................PREACH!
Bro Johnson said, "I wonder how Rev Brigg's Christmas Pagent went!"
ReplyDeleteRed Green says, Me too! North Polers take a special interest in Christmas.
Double D said, "Openness breeds liberty and freedom and LIFE in REALITY."
ReplyDeleteScooter says, That's what I always say too.
Good luck to you, Sir, your going to need it!
ReplyDeleteBro Johnson
Note: As of 6 Jan 2011 t 10:19 I am still waiting for MC Kekel's response to my rebuttal.
I am taking my gripes right straight to him on HIS blog!!! How he responds will state a lot about his character. I'm sure I provide good preaching material for his sermons!!!
I encourage anybody to go directly to the NTCC website and post directly to MC Kekel. Let your voice be heard!!
He will read the emails, because his ego is so big. When you are a Millionaire with time on your hands and money to burn, it is easy to brush of critisism. He may not respond, but he will read, I am pretty confident in that.
He can't brush it off this time. He needs to start getting and having accountability for his actions as well as that of others.
If your going to change the NTCC we used to know, then MC Kekel, Sir, GO OFF THE DEEP END!!!
Make NTCC transparent. The church goers need to know whom to pin the roses on.
If MC Kekel was upfront with his finances then I would not have half the issues I have with NTCC.
Where does the money go? I'll tell you where: To provide water for Davis' springler system outside his barricaded Million Dollar Mansion!!!
***CRICKETS FROM THE KEKEL CAMP***
Bro Johsnon
Bro Johnson
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteAs soon as we left ntcc (after 20+ years of faithful service), life for us got 1000% better!!!! Since then life has been awesome. No judgement, no curses-- just a wonderful life. You're right-- it's just a scare tactic used by this cult to keep people TRAPPED in ntcc. I know there are many who want to leave, but are afraid of judgement. I was that way also, until life in ntcc got so bad that i didn't care anymore. But guess what? Instead of judgement we got blessed beyond our imaginations. I'm not going to say everything has gone perfect, but pretty close.
Almost instantly I started making ALOT more money than I was making IN NTCC. That has fixed alot of problems we were having-- since in ntcc we were in almost total poverty for 20 years. And let me tell you-- ntcc poverty takes a toll on you in the long term-- both mentally and spiritually.
But besides an increase in money, in my opinion, the best part of leaving ntcc has been the emotional and psychological healing that took place. We now have REAL joy and happiness. We can now ENJOY our lives instead of toiling day and night (literally) for the ntcc slave drivers. It took me about a year to get over ntcc emotionally. I left miserable, and didn't know why I began to despise ntcc, even though we had been very faithful and sacrificed a ton of things for them. After a year of freedom from ntcc, I finally began to see clearly how abusive and manipulative they really were. It was shocking. I came to the realization that they DO use cult tactics-- all the time. And not a few preachers, but the entire leadership from Davis on down. Mostly I couldn't believe that we put up with that for so many years. It's shocking, but that is what brainwashing does to you. You don't realize how bad you have it and how bad you are being treated. The leaders beat you spiritually and emotionally, and you convince yourself that you deserve it! It's crazy.
AXP (continued below)
(Cont.)
ReplyDeleteMy advice to everyone in ntcc who wants to leave is.... DO IT NOW!!! Life outside of ntcc is awesome. And you'll be thanking yourself for saving your family from a life of slavery to a church that really doesn't care about you at all. You may not see it while in, but after you leave you'll look back in horror that you ever allowed yourself to be a part of ntcc.
AXP
Oh I forgot, Mom and Pop actually had two separate bodies
ReplyDeleteMCK
Well, we would not want to forget about the free Sister clean up labor at your House, would we?
MLJ
Oh I forgot, Mom and Pop actually had two separate bodies
ReplyDeleteMCK
Mr. Kekel, As a matter of fact, after the Sisters clean up your House for free can they clean mine up? Its getting pretty messy. I will not charge anything, promise!
You cannot PAY me to attend NTCC. Not even if it equals the yearly scholastic tuition of your son.
If you give me $20,000 a year it still would not be enough to pay for the pain and abuse I and my wife have endured under NTCC under parts of you or your father in laws watch.
You owe me a Son of which my wife miscarried promoting YOUR BOGUS SOUL WINNING PROGRAM!
MLJ
Mr. Kekel,
ReplyDeleteAnother thing: I have noticed that you have PCS'd Rev MacDonald and his wife overseas AGAIN.
Let's Break Down Rev MacDonald's Overseas Service Ribbon for NTCC with Roman Numeral 5
Korea (as a Soldier at the DMZ at Camp Grieves)
Germany (They both arrived to Korea from Germany heavily overweight. Both Macdonald and his wife were walking heart attacks. Must have been over eating Schnitzel)
Korea (was assaulted by Korean National who smashed up his face which required surgery to repair broken facial bones)
Phillipines (they are in the midst of a civil war, smart move there. If the Phillipines are so great, why did you remove Devonshire, wife and kid from there? )
Korea (STILL trying to start a work in Seoul for the 3RD time. Stupid move on NTCCs part. FYI Yongsan Garrison is moving to Humphries in two years and you will have NO Soldiers to preach to, but Rev Scrivens is already in Humphries working a civilian job, so why waste Graham funds and MacDonald's time on Seoul? Honestly, looks like you have no place to put the poor man and his wife)
Guam (Is this MacDonald's reward for faithful service to NTCC? Does Graham even care anymore? Guam is an island about 5 miles long. Who is he seriously going to reach? The seals and seagulls?)
Why is this poor man continued to be shafted by NTCC and stuck overseas? If you have ever spent any time overseas (Which you have not since you enjoy living the good life in Graham) you would understand that it is a HARDSHIP tour, military or civilian. You and the rest of NTCC Leadership have shown no concern for MacDonald's well being nor his wife, but that is ok I guess as long as you are married to Davis' daughter, who also came from the Phillipines.
Come to think of it, it would make MORE sense to send YOU and YOUR WIFE to the Phillipines to preach to the good folks over there. Since your wife is Phillipino, you two should fit right in. It is time for you to earn your stripes anyway. You, my friend, are HOMESTEADING!!!
Seasons Greetings!
Bro Johnson
AXP said,
ReplyDelete"You may not see it while in, but after you leave you'll look back in horror that you ever allowed yourself to be a part of ntcc."
Don and Ange said,
You've touched on one of the very things that makes ntcc stand out as a cult. The longer a cult member stays in a cult, the more he or she becomes brainwashed. As we have, they invest themselves by sacrificing their time, money, emotion and common sense for so long that they refuse to look at the reality that they are in a cult. They refuse to believe that they have wasted years of their lives by following these sick leaders and devoting themselves 100% to their cause which is what?
Their cause might appear to be winning souls to Christ and helping folks make it into heaven, but when you look back on what they did with a sound mind, it's easy to see that they are clearly harming rather than helping people. Jesus said, "My yoke is easy, and my burden is light." MT 11:30 The ntcc was anything but "easy" as they emphasized the lake of fire as an alternative to following their man made doctrine of celibacy, vasectomies and isolation from friends and family.
I maintain that "their cause" in spite of what they claim is two-fold:
1. Use the Gospel of Christ to lure people into their cult, love-bomb and indoctrinate them to make them feel like they are part of something special and unique and threaten them with fire and brimstone as retribution for not adhering to their man-made doctrine so they will stay and give as long as possible.
2. This misuse of power and abuse of the office of God is perpetrated for the sole purpose of a very few getting rich off of the majority of slaves working and giving huge amounts of money.
As the few work exhaustively to feed the beast that is insatiable and never has enough toys, comfort or luxury, the slaves are going without the essentials in life like food, shelter, clothing and some living below health standards, and having to wash clothes by hand and shop in kook stores and use dish rags as sanitary napkins.
If you are in the ntcc and live according to these practices we implore you to use your brain. Where is the money going? They rake you over the coals for your money and tell you it's for this cause or that cause but where is it going? It's no wonder there is no transparency in the ntcc, because the truth of how their money is really spent would expose their lies and reveal the awful truth to many.
Jesus wore a robe, as well as the priests of the OT Covenant, and I'll have a really nice one in heaven
ReplyDeleteMr. Kekel,
OK, fair enough. Then why don't you start wearing a priestly robe now? Would it make you look like your Catholic?
Why does not your beloved Church Choir wear robes now? Maybe you will win some converts.
I challenge you, Rev Malone, and the Choir effective immediately to start wearing robes to church. I will not laugh. Promise!!
If Jesus wore a robe, and you tarry till he comes, then why not greet the Master with the same garb on?
You might just get a Mansion in Heaven! Oh, wait, you already have a earthly mansion and over $350,000 of free land gifted to you by RW Davis. Sorry!!
This is typical NTCC logic. Do as I say, and not as I do. Expressing a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof.
NTCC is like serfdom. The few elite enjoy the labors of the masses of poor.
You really have got everyone fooled, Mr. Kekel! But God showed me a more excellent way. Your not fooling God, and your not fooling me anymore.
Bro Johnson, Concerned Brother of the Faith
Sorry for posting 3 times!! Not sure why that happened.
ReplyDeleteAs a follow-up-- Dr. Phil had a program on recently highlighting how corrupt authoritative figures can make good people do bad things thru manipulation. Listening to it it was ntcc all the way.
AXP
I seiously doubt that ANY pastor in NTCC has $50,000 in life savings.
ReplyDeleteI challenge ANY NTCC preacher to prove me wrong.
We already know that NTCC preachers, to include Kekel, Briggs among others read this blog daily. Every time I check the hit counter states it ALWAYS shows a circle at Graham, WA. So, the word is getting out that ntcc IS A CULT.
I say to the NTCC preacher: If you examine your heart, you will realize you have erred this whole time. GET OUT of NTCC now!!!
Then and only then can you honestly take care of your wife and kid or have the chance to continue your lineage and seed to HAVE A CHILD!!
When I get out of the Military, all I will have to face is my family, for better or for worse.
When the NTCC pastor gets out of NTCC, they WILL HAVE TO FACE THEIR FAMILY AND EXPLAIN WHY THEY FAILED TO TAKE CARE OF THEM.
The Bible states that if your a man and you fail to take care of your family you are worse than an INFIDEL.
Your family is all you got. Do not believe the guise that NTCC loves you and will take care of you. Tell that to the Widow Espinosa.
So, I say life in NTCC is a CURSE in that folks believe a lie and be dammed, less they SEE the truth, get out of NTCC, have theier eyes opened and be truely saved.
President Bush use to say, either you are with us, or your with the terrorists.
My challenge to the NTCC preacher is this: Choose you this day whom you will serve. If God be God, serve Him. If NTCC be god, then serve NTCC.
It is time for NTCC's walls to come tumbling down. A house divided against itself cannot stand.
If nobody went to NTCC churches, then NTCC will have to close shop and close down.
The Korean church that I attend, even though they have some problems, still showed more love and concern for my wife than NTCC ever did.
My wife just recieved a $50 Target gift card for her work with the children of the church. That is a class act. We also recieved $200 from the church when my Grandmother passed earlier this year.
What did I recieve from NTCC? Broken promises, A broken heart, broken finances need I continue??
The Bible states in the mouth of two or more witnesses let every word be established.
I say to the NTCC preacher: Why would we spend years of our lives warning folks about the dangers of NTCC? Trust me, I have better things to do. But, I have a responsibility to get the word out of the Truth of the Cult which is NTCC.
Bro Johnson
Bro J said...
ReplyDeleteI seiously doubt that ANY pastor in NTCC has $50,000 in life savings.
Jeff said...
I wouldn't be too certain about that and I'm not just talking about RWD or Kekel either. I'll bet Barnes in Mississippi has at least 50 Gs. That dude makes sure he gets his offering money. I know because I've been to his church a few times. He does something crazy like hold out a plate for people who come in the door late. Barnes is just a typical money grubber. If you could buy your way to heaven there will be a whole bunch of folks making it at Barnes church. He likes to preach about giving money also or at least he did while I was there. I'd be willing to bet that Barnes lives a whole lot better then most of the poor black folks who attend services at his church. Yeah, Barnes certainly ain't hurting for money and I'm not talking about his military retirement either.
There are a few other NTCC pastors who also have money I'm sure. Not many mind you but there are some. Some of the guys at some of the larger civilian churches would be the likely candidates. Other then what they send to Graham, (which is quite a bit) and what they put in escrow, (which is also quite a bit) they get to keep the rest. You take 50 tithe payers and that adds up pretty quick. Sure there aren't many but there are some.
For that matter many preachers in other organizations live a whole lot better then their church members. Many or even most churches are money making businesses. There are a lot of pastors who make a whole lot of money off of their congregates. I've read on three separate occasions that owning a church is one of the top ten businesses in the United States. A pastor can hide so much earnings that it's unbelievable. He gets a lot of cash and there is no way to track it all. Why do you think the NTCC leadership wants tithe and rent at Graham to be paid to them in cash? With everything that RWD does there is some kind of angle so that he doesn't have to pay money. He's figured out every possible tax right off or exemption that possibly exists. He has figured out every way to get as much labor out of his church members as you can dream of.
Having said that the NTCC leadership certainly doesn't have it set up for their ministers to save much or any money. Most of them are living far below the poverty level according to most standards.
Jeff
Bro Jeff,
ReplyDeleteWe talk about pyramid schemes, how ironic. The Egyptians enslaved the Israelites in building pyramids to honor their Sun gods Ra and so on.
NTCC is a pyramid schemes. Folks inside NTCC are slaves, plain and simple. Their work builds a pyramid, and guess who is sitting on top of the pyramid laughing?
It aint the Devil, it's RWD, Kekel, Briggs, Kinson and others who have been around awhile, just laughing at you all the way to the bank.
The last time I checked Rev Gandy was not malnurished. He was a fat slob wearing sweaters all the time to hide his waistline.
When I purchased my Acura MDX, his comments were, "Bro Johnson, I LIKE this" "You have to take me driving in this sometime yada yada yada" You could just see the twinge of jealously in his face.
Then the brothers are like "Now you can be a REAL blesing to the church picking people up for church blah blah blah" the last time I checked, they had a church van.
The use and abuse policy in NTCC is still in effect.
Bro Johnson
You've touched on one of the very things that makes ntcc stand out as a cult. The longer a cult member stays in a cult, the more he or she becomes brainwashed. As we have, they invest themselves by sacrificing their time, money, emotion and common sense for so long that they refuse to look at the reality that they are in a cult. They refuse to believe that they have wasted years of their lives by following these sick leaders and devoting themselves 100% to their cause which is what
ReplyDeleteI wanted to use this statement. Because it fits in with what happens after you leave ntcc. For some like myself. while stuck in the cult,I KNEW alot was messed up. But put up with it. because my husband thought he was called to preach(more like pressured to preach). I would go to service's come home really upset. But could say nothing to anyone. Or else I would be in trouble with God,touch not his annointed scriptures that was held over our heads.
So when my husband decided to step down as a minister I was thrilled. No longer living under the ntcc RULES and unsaid RULES. You could not be REAL,be yourself. You became what was expected of you. And you molded your life to ntcc likes.
Once a person leave's ntcc your unsure of so much. To rely totally on yourself to make decisions is amazing. To listen just to God and not letting the men of ntcc run the show! Brcause you change so much over the years you are with ntcc. Once your out,you do CHANGE. You become the person God had intended you to be in the first place. Mike K. really can not use this against us. He does try to twist information against us. As if what we were while in ntcc was living Godly and outside of ntcc as we come out from UNDER there brainwashing FOG is not Godly!
For me it took about six months to really acknowledge that I was in a cult. And when I accepted it,it was life changing. Could look at everything in a different light. All the control put on us,all the bashing,talking down to us,Rules that were sins and are now policies.
Slowly,allowing God to guide my life,decisions has taken time.Yes Mike it does not happen overnight. God takes his time as we heal,adjust to life outside the ntcc fence! God knows if he gives us to much at one time,it would overwhelm us. Why ntcc likes to play God. They brainwash you a little at a time. Until after 12-13 years you are totally under there control. You believe anything they say,any changes are fine. Thought you know deep down if you truely listened to God as he is trying to get your attenion. I know,he never gave up on me!! Those nagging thoughts that this is just not right. Listen and realize God wants you out of this cult!
April
....Continued
ReplyDeleteJeff said,
"Having said that the NTCC leadership certainly doesn't have it set up for their ministers to save much or any money. Most of them are living far below the poverty level according to most standards."
Don and Ange continued response:
It's always been about the money. Nobody in the ntcc leadership cares if you fail in the ministry or not. As long as you bring in the cash. It matters not if you live in poverty. If you have the unique ability to influence and brainwash enough people into paying tithe and giving in offerings "as all Christians do", and can pay all of your church bills, church tithe and escrows and building funds and world missions and save a huge chunk of money along the way, you will be praised and highly esteemed in the ntcc.
But next time you lay your head to rest please take time to think of all the ones that you ran off along the way. Better yet, think only about the ones that you ran off because they would not pay their tithe and you would not allow them to be a Christian in your religious empire. Do you really feel comfortable with yourself? Is it worth throwing people away on a hunch that has no biblical support whatsoever? Search the scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life. Search the scriptures for in them you will not find any examples of people being commanded to pay tithe and then threatened with everlasting damnation for not paying it. Search the scriptures before you go to bed tonight and see if you can find justification for the way you mistreated the weak and unlearned that were so easily discarded as trash.
Don and Ange
Don and Ange said...
ReplyDeleteSearch the scriptures for in them you will not find any examples of people being commanded to pay tithe and then threatened with everlasting damnation for not paying it.
Jeff said...
They will always go to Malachi but they can't back it up with the New Testament and the scriptures they pull from the New Testament don't apply.
Deu 21:20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21:21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die:
Jeff said...
How come the NTCC doesn't enforce that one? It's in the Old Testament!!! I'll tell you why. Because it doesn't have anything to do with accumulating money. You see the NTCC applies what benefits them and ignores the rest. They won't put their children to death for stubbornness and rebellion (according to the Old Testament) but they will mandate that you pay tithe (or go to hell) and they can only support their mandate with the Old Testament.
I never had a problem with paying tithe but I've learned after reading the NTCCs doctrinal statement that the scriptures they use to support paying tithe simply don't apply, (other then Malachi). As I've highlighted before 1 Cor 16:2 which the NTCC has in there doctrinal statement to support paying tithe has absolutely nothing at all to do with the doctrine of tithing. NOTHING. So why does the NTCC willfully takes scriptures such as that one and use them wrongfully? Because their doctrine isn't even remotely cut and dry as they like to make it. So what do they do? Misuse scriptures while deceiving and fooling the unlearned and brainwashed.
If you want to use the Old Testament Law then you better starting having public executions every time one of your children gets out of line. It's called a double standard and it's called picking and choosing and if it pertains to getting money, controlling women, and obeying your crooked pastor, than the NTCC leadership will choose it every time. When it comes to redistribution of goods (like they did in Acts) or taking care of the fatherless, widow and needy, than the NTCC will ignore or explain away those scriptures 99% of the time or find other scriptures which alleviate any responsibility on their part.
Jeff
Jeff,
ReplyDeletePlease check spam,
Thanks
All,
ReplyDeleteThis is what happens when a church like NTCC is not transparent with their Finances:
TAX EVASION = JAIL TIME!!!
The pastors of a prominent Charlotte church were sentenced late Thursday night for conspiracy to defraud the United States and multiple counts of tax evasion.
Bishop Anthony Jinwright, 54, was sentenced to eight years and nine months in prison after being convicted in May on charges of conspiracy, tax evasion and filing false tax returns.
Jinwright's 51-year-old wife, Harriet, was sentenced to six years and eight months for conspiracy and tax evasion.
Together, both were ordered to pay $2 million in restitution
Think about that for a minute. TWO MIL. I think it would be safe to say that NTCC, like this church, are not being honest with their money, namely where it is going and who has got it all.
Look no further than RW Davis' Mansion. There you go. There is where all the money is going.
AND the Gifted 1/3 MIL of land given to Kekel from RW Davis, and Kekel's nice 'Do too!!
Are 20,000K school expenses tax write offs tax deductable?
Bro Johnson
While there is breath...there is hope. No one is too old or past the age of hearing God's Word...or getting saved for that matter. I don't ever recall Pastor Davis preaching/teaching such nonsense.
ReplyDeleteYOU were not around 10 years ago in the NTCC when NTCC followed and preached a different doctrine!!!
So in that case the thief on the Cross with Jesus got saved? NTCC pastors preached that, no, he did NOT get saved, that it was too late for him.
For you to make the comment you did shows your ignorance of the scriptures.
"Search the Scriptures, for in them you THINK you have eternal life!!" - JESUS
Bro Johnson
Bro. J. said,
ReplyDelete"For you to make the comment you did shows your ignorance of the scriptures.
"Search the Scriptures, for in them you THINK you have eternal life!!" - JESUS"
Don and Ange said,
Bro. Johnson could you be a little bit more specific? Not sure who you are talking to. We noticed that you quoted the same scripture that we did in our post. Perhaps your comment is directed towards somebody else. No offenses here... We enjoy your posts and agree with much of what you say. If we disagree with anything you say that's alright too because we now are able to think for ourselves and have our own opinions. Freedom is a wonderful thing and we welcome all opinions on our blog and this one regardless if they consist of opposing views from that of our own. Best Regards,
Don and Ange
Jeff said,
ReplyDelete"They will always go to Malachi but they can't back it up with the New Testament and the scriptures they pull from the New Testament don't apply."
Don and Ange replied,
This we know well. I was really under the impression that when Jesus said "it is finished" that He was talking about the Law. To be more specific, the old testament law. Maybe the vail of the temple was not rent in twain and we were meant to keep all of the feasts and sacraments of the old testament. I think not.
We are not looking for excuses to not give to God. As you said Jeff, "I never had a problem with paying tithe", the same is true for us. What I do have a problem with is the ntcc choosing scriptures that they want to follow out of the old testament that are used so they can benefit financially, and ignoring the new testament scriptures of grace and mercy all for the sake of their own profit.
As we said before and we'll say again, they need to search the scriptures, for in them they think they have eternal life, But they are they which testify of me. - John 5:39. Do they actually testify of the love of Christ? Most of what they testify of is the love of money. How can they sit back and watch members suffer when it is within their means to help?
We will take the love of Christ any day over the love-bombing of the ntcc and we will continue to point out the lack of transparency and pour financial practices of the ntcc.
Don and Ange
Don and Ange said,
ReplyDeleteBro. Johnson could you be a little bit more specific? Not sure who you are talking to.
That was a comment that I left directly on Rev Kekel's blog addressed to him since he refuses to email me one on one, no disrespect towards your blog or anything,
Like minded people think alike!!
Regards,
Bro Johnson
Actually, Im sorry I was commenting on a post on Rev Kekel's blog (he will post one or two of ours verses 12 of NTCC supporters so as to appear politically correct.
ReplyDeleteThe guy or girl made a comment about once saved always saved, which Kekel allowed on his blog which means he endorses it.
That is why I made the comment to search the scriptures....
Hope this clarifies things!
Bro Johnson
Bro. Johnson,
ReplyDeleteThanks, it's nice to have clarity.
It's deplorable how they treated you and your wife in Korea. They took away something they will never be able to replace. The sad thing is that they owe many people large pieces of their lives and families that can't be replaced.
If Ange and I were allowed to follow our own dreams we would both be retired from the military and have a few kids. This dream was stolen from us when we were young and impressionable. We never realized that this large portion of our life and dreams were destroyed so rwd and mck could live in luxury.
Like so many others we go on with life. God has been good to us, bringing us back together. We, like many others, make the best of what we have and warn others to escape from the ntcc cult. They don't care about people. When someone leaves their church they equate it to them leaving God and they let them go. The reason most people leave is that they get tired of the spiritual and emotional abuse that is dished out to them.
To restore them, they would have to admit they were wrong and ntcc preachers are never wrong. They are incapable of making mistakes. They are hypocrites and they need to show mercy least when it comes time for judgement they themselves are found wanting. It's not just the members that are brainwashed but the many of the pastor's and ministers don't realize they are in a cult.
If this blog was required reading, they would be asking themselves some serious questions and many would leave within a year. Factnet took it's toll on them and this and other blogs are opening peoples eyes to reality. This is why they are not allowed to look at our blogs and this is why their facebook accounts are being controlled.
The word is out. The ntcc is an abusive money grubbing cult.
Don and Ange
To be honest with you, NTCC owes everyone any offical apology.
ReplyDeleteI am surprised that no one has taken these men to court to recoup damages and / or losses.
Not being familar of the legal system, I would not know where to begin.
NTCC can start off by giving $5,000Compensation for every brother or sister who has FACTUAL evidence of a hardship incurred to them by NTCC.
How hard is it to just apologize? Are they so proud and stuck up that they cannot humble themselves to the fact that, "Hey, folks got hurt going to MY church?!?"
Don't see this happening, but Mr. Kekel if your going to change, do what you do well, go "ALL THE WAY"
Bro Johnson
Looks like Hunter has met his match here
ReplyDeleteThat Lizard looks pretty neat! Ever heard of the Lizard Man in SC? Years ago Folks going to the beach would be attacked by a tall green lizard man!
ReplyDeleteHa Ha!
Bro Johnson
MC Kekel is a slimy lizard who changes his color to suit his environment!!!
ReplyDeleteBro Johnson
Bro Jeff,
ReplyDeleteI have made NTCC Blog History!!!
On 11 January 2011
I became the FIRST Brother to be cut off from NTCC AND Notified of it in cyberspace!!!
I am a Marked Man.
I am the 21ST Century version of CAIN! My burden is more than I can bear!!!
Mr. Kekel has cut me off from posting any comments on his offical blog.
Here is a new suggested post for you: Excommunicated by Rev Kekel!!
Effectively immediately, Rev Kekel has Excommunicated me from New Testament Christian Church.
I can no longer hope to attend NTCC Seminary.
My likes are not welcomed in any NTCC church, Servicemens Home or Choir sinning, I mean SINGING at the local Mall!!
The wheels of justice are slow but sure! It took 5 1/2 years, and finally, after much soulful prayer and internal debate, Mr. Kekel has had enough. He cannot handle the truth anymore, because THE TRUTH HURTS!!!!!!
From The Esteemed Reverend, Mr Kekel:
Thank you very much,
Yes we did it to be a blessing, and also received a blessing. Here's one thing I would like to post here, before I go to sleep tonight; This quote is but the first line of 8 potential posts from the "concerned brother".
"Mr Kekel, Forgive Me, I should have introduced myself. You know who I am, Bro Johnson. I previously posted as Concerned Brother"
Now you know for sure who he is; Michael Johnson, an X-man and active blog jumper with an axe to grind, sadly. The posts are so full of nonsense and hate speech, that I refuse to allow it on my blog. Mr. Johnson, you are one of the rudest, most hateful, bitter people I have ever encountered, and I think you really need to meet Jesus one good time, and I pray that you will. Christians don't talk that way. I could refute every thing you said, but I have better things to do with my time.
Even if your cruel words were true, your absolute lack of any common, human decency is unjustifiable. One way or another, you will meet Him, and account for every word.
(I have to interject here: Be Afraid. Be Very Afraid!!)
Don't post any more, it will be instantly deleted. Thank you, MCK
Aww, Mr. Kekel, I am sorry if I offended you or hurt your pretty boy little feelings. Do you want a lollipop? Will some candy make it feel any better?
Mr. Kekel is referring to the previous posts that I posted, which, though slightly entertaining, are true and too the point.
Its not my fault he is homesteading! No one held a gun to his head and stated "You WILL marry REVB Davis' Phillipino Daughter!!" or "You WILL use tithepayer money to pay for Grant's $20,000 a year tutition to play football!!
This guy is sick in the head, He is the one who really needs Jesus, not me.
When Judgement Day comes, he will have to account for EVERY soul he led astray, point blank, period.
Bro Johnson
My rebuttal to Mr. Kekel
ReplyDeleteLook, Mr. Kekel (I refuse to call you a Reverand due to your Bogus Unaccredited Seminary Degree)
No one held a gun to your head and told you "You WILL marry the founder of NTCC's daughter" or "You WILL use 20,000 of tithe money to pay for Grant's annual tutition and football expenses!"
Why do you think NTCC is in the hot water it is in right now?
Your pride always gets in the way. You cannot stand for anyone to tell you the truth, even if it is staring at you in the face.
You are not the person I want with me in the foxhole. We are suppose to be on the SAME team, remember?
If you were a Soldier, you would be the type who would get somebody or himself killed because you are ALL ABOUT SELF and could care less about the rest of the TEAM. You would have no problem throwing anybody under the bus.
You have made ALL decisions coldly and with determined calculation without the best interests of your fellow brother or sister at heart.
Mr. Kekel, you have the capacity to do much good in the world, God could REALLY use you to reach the lost but you are a FOOL in that you have squandered that opportunity for personal gain.
You have no desire to better your fellow brother or sister. Your washed up and have compromised the values of NTCC of the past 20 years. Your under construction for 3 years website is a joke, and it is only a front to counter anti NTCC blogs.
You are an insecure man who is afraid of loosing it all. Your losses may come sooner than you think. God is not mocked.
As I stated to you earlier, Mr. Kekel, Good Luck in your personal endeavors. No hard feelings. You are going to need it.
But, as for Me and My House, we WILL serve the Lord.
Bro Johnson
Bro. Johnson said to kekel, "You would have no problem throwing anybody under the bus."
ReplyDeletekekel did throw davis under the bus. kekel lied and said he never liked all of the "policies" (rules) davis made. kekel is a weasel and a wimp.
Bro. Johnson said, "If you were a Soldier, you would be the type who would get somebody or himself killed because you are ALL ABOUT SELF"
ReplyDeletekekel was in the military. The Dispatch reported that kekel said he was tired of all the drugs. What a bolo. Not even a good troop!
Now you know for sure who he is; Michael Johnson, an X-man and active blog jumper with an axe to grind, sadly. The posts are so full of nonsense and hate speech, that I refuse to allow it on my blog. Mr. Johnson, you are one of the rudest, most hateful, bitter people I have ever encountered, and I think you really need to meet Jesus one good time, and I pray that you will. Christians don't talk that way. I could refute every thing you said, but I have better things to do with my time.
ReplyDeleteThe rudeest more hateful,bitter person he has encountered. I guess Mike has forgotten ALL of the MANY service,classes he has sat through with RW davis. This man ripes apart people on a daily basis,or at least he used to. rw davis would ridicule people from behind the pulpit and behind his "teachers" desk. Where he was "protected" as that so called man of God.
ONE TIME,I snicked in one of rw davis classes. I got rw davis spotlight put on me. He shouted at me,what did I just say. If I remember correctly it was something about the latest FAT JOKE he had just told. No who is rude Mike? Fat jokes,blond jokes,Bible college student jokes. All a disguise to make fun of folks.
I was then Called up to his desk after class. Me and the sister who was next to me. He shamed me and then I was ALLOWED to leave. NO ONE WOULD LOOK AT ME! as if I was a leper for snickering after he had just told a stupid joke,attacking people.
No sir,Mike you are wrong. The rudest,bitter,hateful person is none other then your Father in law. How does he REALLY feel about women and there place they should stay put. Talk about Hate. Hate speech is NOT when folks share the truth about ntcc. of course men like yourself. That do not want to accept the truth will do and say anything to make us look bad. As Xers. I would much rather be a Xer of your CULT. Mmm,Xer,cult member which sounds worse?
Sure many of us can remember MANY times rw davis tore people apart from behind his bullt pulpit. But he is the Man of gawd,NOT!!!
oh and this choir christmas junk. Is just a staged event. To make ntcc look and appaear mainstream. As long as the women stay the same,no one is going to be flocking to ntcc doors. No matter how good you sing!!lol
April
Now you know for sure who he is; Michael Johnson, an X-man and active blog jumper with an axe to grind, sadly. The posts are so full of nonsense and hate speech, that I refuse to allow it on my blog. Mr. Johnson, you are one of the rudest, most hateful, bitter people I have ever encountered, and I think you really need to meet Jesus one good time, and I pray that you will. Christians don't talk that way. I could refute every thing you said, but I have better things to do with my time.
ReplyDeleteThe rudeest more hateful,bitter person he has encountered. I guess Mike has forgotten ALL of the MANY service,classes he has sat through with RW davis. This man ripes apart people on a daily basis,or at least he used to. rw davis would ridicule people from behind the pulpit and behind his "teachers" desk. Where he was "protected" as that so called man of God.
ONE TIME,I snicked in one of rw davis classes. I got rw davis spotlight put on me. He shouted at me,what did I just say. If I remember correctly it was something about the latest FAT JOKE he had just told. No who is rude Mike? Fat jokes,blond jokes,Bible college student jokes. All a disguise to make fun of folks.
I was then Called up to his desk after class. Me and the sister who was next to me. He shamed me and then I was ALLOWED to leave. NO ONE WOULD LOOK AT ME! as if I was a leper for snickering after he had just told a stupid joke,attacking people.
No sir,Mike you are wrong. The rudest,bitter,hateful person is none other then your Father in law. How does he REALLY feel about women and there place they should stay put. Talk about Hate. Hate speech is NOT when folks share the truth about ntcc. of course men like yourself. That do not want to accept the truth will do and say anything to make us look bad. As Xers. I would much rather be a Xer of your CULT. Mmm,Xer,cult member which sounds worse?
Sure many of us can remember MANY times rw davis tore people apart from behind his bullt pulpit. But he is the Man of gawd,NOT!!!
oh and this choir christmas junk. Is just a staged event. To make ntcc look and appaear mainstream. As long as the women stay the same,no one is going to be flocking to ntcc doors. No matter how good you sing!!lol
April
Jesus is NOT for sell and He is NOT for sell for 1/10th money payments!!! & no church is going to hold
ReplyDeleteJesus ransom until they get 1/10th money payments.
If a person wants to give money to the church that is fine but he is no more saved than the person that gives less. A person's salvation is in no way based on whether they pay the church 1/10th money payments. Jesus is NOT for sell!!!
Besides all that, why doesn't NTCC make available to anyone exactly where all the money goes, down to the last dime?
Besides all that, why doesn't NTCC make available to anyone exactly where all the money goes, down to the last dime?
ReplyDeleteBecause if Mike did that. He would lose some of his control. A little at a time he would lose his control. All he has is his FAKE charm and beadie little eyes. He tries to stare folks down like rw davis did. As if they can see into your soul!LOL
Since leaving ntcc been to a few churches . ALL of them have bussiness meetings where church members are invited to come and be a part. Know exactly what is going on with the fund that comes in. What might need some help in. There NOT left in the dark wondering. Which is exactly what ntcc does. They like to keep folks in the dark. Unsure,unknown of what is really going on. And of course NO ONE is going to have the gall to get up and ask those kind of questions. And then be shown THE DOOR! If you don"t like it,then there is the door! Why so many of us never asked questions. I get it all the time,how could you have stayed in such a situation and no say anything. FEAR,CONTROL! Your kept in your place and nobody moves up or down in ntcc. Your kept where they want you. If you do get a little sucess,it is because the leaders so decide that will happen. CONTROL!!
April
Besides all that, why doesn't NTCC make available to anyone exactly where all the money goes, down to the last dime?
ReplyDeleteI'll tell you where it goes: Graham, Washington coffers.
They spent some money to buy green robes, or maybe they are so tightwad they borrowed them from the Fort Lewis Chapel?!?
If you look on Google maps, you will notice RW Davis' mansion, how big it is. How green his grass is. Somebody has to pay for that precious water to water his grass.
With Kekel and Davis, the grass is ALWAYS greener! Outside of that tight group, along with Olson who loves to recycle used underwear, everyone else suffers.
"Praise the Lord, brother! It's for GAAWWWWDDDDDSSSSSS Work! Better to be poor in this life and rich in the next! Hoo-Ahh Soldiers for God brother!!!!"
Outside of the fake almost orgasmic like shreks the brothers let out when they talk to Rev Davis
'I talked to the MAN OF GOD, Ahhhhhh! God's gonna bless me now" there is no new thing under the sun with NTCC".
Just old, recycled bogus material and song and dance. It is an actual miracle that anyone actually gets saved in that place!!
If I go Shab bla la la la la then the Pastor goes "THATS IT! YESSSSS BROTHER! YOUR PRAYING IN THE HOLY GHOST! KEEP PRAYING BROTHER!!! BLAH BLAH BLAH"
I threw away TEN YEARS of my life for THIS?!?!?!?!?!?
Bro Johnson
If I go Shab bla la la la la then the Pastor goes "THATS IT! YESSSSS BROTHER! YOUR PRAYING IN THE HOLY GHOST! KEEP PRAYING BROTHER!!!
ReplyDeleteThats funny. Thats about the size of it. Pretty fake.
Wow. Kekel REALLY dislikes my comments! I will continue to "blitz" his blogs with the truth as I know it, sometimes some may slip through the cracks, as mentioned below!!
ReplyDeleteBro Johnson
Oops, sorry folks if the "Rude-Dolph" Johnson comment got through, I meant to hit "DELETE" as I have been for all his stuff, without reading it.
My apologies,
M C Kekel
Kidding aside, going to conference has always been a time of refreshment and adventure. Always something new and different in one aspect or another. Ya aint gotta require me to go :)
ReplyDeletethis was by a new cult member on Mikes blog. We all said this same JaRGON when we were in the cult. that we can not wait for conference. What a blessing,a time of renewing. Can't wait to spend hundreds of dollars to go to conference. WHY? Isn't there nothing new under the sun? So what is so refreshing and renewing attending a conference out in the middle of nowhere. Where ntcc has GOT you stuck in the woods! Lets see the stale prayer meetings. Men walking in circles,women standing with there nose stuck up in the air(leaders wives and those wannabe wives). then sit through so callec teaching that has NOTHING that has not been said over and over again. As they continue to brainwash you with there "teachings". Go out and feed your face,try and get a nap. Get dressed,go to a evening event. Then it is exercise time,jumping up and down like pogo sticks or men swinging each other as if there trying to take a limb off each other.
Each conference is the SAME STALE stuff each and every time!
Since leaving ntcc,when you get the chance to attend a Bible study,special event at a Church. I have gleaned SOOO much more then I ever did in the upteen years I was in ntcc. You get some learning while in the local church. Once your at Washington. It all becomes bashing,brainwashing,same ole,same ole teachings.
Another issue with ntcc. Why are they afraid of other churches? Been to bible studies with folks from other churches. All do fine together. Can glean from each other. Everything ntcc does has a twisted reasoning behind it. SO I am sure why they shun,put down and ignore other local churches. Must have some strange reasoning.
April
Well, I followed brothers Johnson's lead and posted some very difficult questions on Kekel's blog (concerning land, legality, secular ed. etc) He did not have the testicular fortitude to allow it to be posted. I figured he would not have the guts and that is ok, it just reveals who he really is. We all know he is a wisp of a man, a coward, a snake, or as Jesus put it a "viper", he is a leach that lives off of others and in the end his bank account will always justify the means. I would not want to be him on judgement day(or Davis for that matter) he is gonna burn like a marshmallow that fell into a fire!
ReplyDeleteI am passionate about this, because in my mind there is nothing worse than a false shepherd and to top it off, a cowardly one!
Sincerely,
T
2011: The Year of NTCC Peaceful Protests
ReplyDeleteT,
Why not ratch it up a notch?
Since it is a free country, there is no law stating that you cannot Silently or vocally PROTEST, as long as it is done peacefully, and in order.
So what if Kekel wimps out and deletes my comments on his blog? Trust me, I can get his attention other ways.
Im talking about getting folks attention by holding up a sign or buying space on a billboard, or making flyers, placing warnings to the public in local newspapers, making your own blog, submitting letters to the editor, etc. etc.
Remember we have an advocate at the local Graham newspaper, the Dispatch: Mr. Bruce Smith.
For civilians and retirees (non military) brothers and sisters, you got it made!!
For example, let's assume you want to protest NTCC as a Cult. Just check in with your local courthouse or police department to make sure if you want to protest that it is street legal and they allow it under THEIR rules, or at the local county courthouse. You will need a license to protest.
Once again, If these NTCC folks show up again at a local mall or old folks home (God bless them!)with these brothers wearing green dresses (they call them robes), what is to say that you cannot be there at the same time, along with a sign and protest their presence?
You read the NTCC report like I did. All you have to do is check with the Mall(s) and see when they are scheduled to sing. Going to be kind of hard to do now since X-mas is over.
NTCC leadership are experimenting with bold things never done before. Why not we, the X'rs get bold too?
I am not going to just sit back and take it, I have been insulted; I have a voice and deserve to be heard just like these snakes do.
Give the people more than ONE choice. That is fair and balanced.
Dr. Martin Luther King had his faults, along with everyone else. But He got the peacefull protest(s) and marches right on target. His ideas were wonderful and WORKED.
If the gay community can force change, why can't we? God can do a lot with a little!
It is a free country!! Freedom of expression is covered under the Constituion as long as it is in good taste, and in good order.
As long as you have a permit and local county permission, a outdoors protest near a NTCC church might be a good idea.
There is a NTCC church where I live, as I am sure there are NTCC churches close to where at lot of bloggers live, you want to get the leadership's attention? Protest!!!
Let's se how their so called Christianity holds up. Remember, our gripes are not at the attendees but at the Leadership!!
Warning: Do NOT protest outside a NTCC church if your still in the military as what you do can be perceived as a reflection of the government's view, there are other ways.
All I want from not only Kekel but from R W Davis' own mouth is an OFFICIAL heartfelt apology. Printed and signed for the record AND verbally given.
T, I have some ideas I have been pondering the last few days. Blogs like Jeff's are good but not enough.
I really do not care about financal compensation from NTCC right now.
I and my wife for the record were abused by NTCC and right now I just want to WARN others of the CULT which is NTCC and get the word out!
Again, peaceful protests are the way to go. Make NTCC look like the jerks they are.
For example, people read the comments on You Tube videos. Tell the world what you REALLY know about NTCC on their little Christmas Carol video.
It is a start, Or, better yet, post your own Testimonal videos out there on You Tube. Be sincere. Tracy P. did this as I recall. If you place the word "NTCC" in your You Tube heading as a key word, everyone will see it.
More to follow, more to come!
Bro Johnson
Had one of those ahah moments. New Testament organization is the Eygptians and the folks that fall for there line that we care and love you. Are the Isrealites. We were and some still are there slaves. The leaders sit up in there comfoy homes or palaces. Whipping the whip at the measlie ministers. Making them doing the hard work. Making them feel like there doing Gods work,sacrificing for the work of God. You will get your blessing someday. While they got there "blessing". The money you bring in to fund there empire and there lifestyle's. Do any of your kids live like Grant has lived his entire life? Do any of the ntcc wives live the life of luxury like Tanya and Verna live? You try and emulate your lives after these people. WHY do you do that? Because you think that is how God blesses folks that sarfice there time and money and LIVES for thw work of God. You think this because that is what has been fed to you!
ReplyDeleteJust like the Isrealites worked and worked for there masters. Only to have there quotas change. Look I brought three folks to church. that is not good enough. You should bring five people to church to be a true worker of God. You gave all your money to get to conference to get this so called blessing. Only to have them pass out slips of papers to pay even more on some made up pledge. To squeeze you totally dry. I wonder are they MAKING THESE SAME PLEDGES to help the work?? Or do they expect only the peon ministers to pay for there empire?
Isrealites become used to being controlled. Told when to wake up,when to do to work,how much to work,where to work,ect. Mindless robots being controlled. Sound familiar?
Not all but some that leave ntcc are unfamiliar living LIFE on there own. think oh,it is better with ntcc. BUT,that is there plan. Make you comfy having others run your life for you. Thinking they know more then you do.
Break away from this cult. It your brain is unfogged. This all comes to you crystal clear. Because we know what is really going on. Does not make us bitter,or trying to find fault with the TRUTH. I am not attacking a man of God! This is not a ministry,it is a SCAM!
April
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteThanks for including a dog in the nice picture for this post! I thinks dogs really add to the quality of a family's life. Like the cherry on top of a sundae; if I do say so myself.
These lizards make me laugh. Do Larch and Lurch say anything other than "PREACH!" and "AMEN!"??? They remind me of ntcc meetings where people yell "PREACH!" and "AMEN!" at everything. Sometimes I wonder if the people even know what they are yelling at. Reminds me of folks watching a football game and cheering when BOTH sides score a touchdown. Just yelling for the joy of hearing themselves yell.
Not that it's always wrong. I mean, dogs do love to howl at the moon. But shouldn't church be important enough to know WHY you are yelling? What do you all think?
Al
Al said...
ReplyDeleteThanks for including a dog in the nice picture for this post! I thinks dogs really add to the quality of a family's life. Like the cherry on top of a sundae; if I do say so myself.
Jeff said...
Dogs are great animals. So are cats. My wife and son have allergies to certain animals so we don't have any. Animals are a nice addition to a family and specifically dogs in this case. For years RWD had folks running around avoiding having pets at all cost. Rdub said more than once that if you had a dog or a cat at your house, he wouldn't come to visit. Good because knowing what I know now, I would want him to come and visit.
I'd rather have a cat or dog in my house than his visit anyway. Any creepy NTCC minister who has a problem with cats and dogs is no more than a deranged brainwashed drone who can't think on his own. These guys didn't learn the old animal hating business on their own but rather RWD taught that mess.
Jeff
Jeff said, "Dogs are great animals. So are cats."
ReplyDeleteThanks for the compliment, Jeff! I like cats too. They make for a good chase every now and then ;-)
Al
Jeff said, "I'd rather have a cat or dog in my house than his visit anyway."
ReplyDeleteI agree. Anyone who doesn't like animals is not to be trusted!
BTW, I've added a few things to my profile.
Al
GRACE
ReplyDeleteApril
ReplyDeleteOne thing that NTCC will not do if you leave: Change their mind and come after you.
They shun you, like you are a bastard child once you leave. Then you realize their love is fake. Tell me, what church organization does that who cannot be compared to a cult?
If you love something or someone, you have to let them go. Set it free. If it comes back to you, it is meant to be!
Bro Johnson taft and
Jeff said,
ReplyDelete"For years RWD had folks running around avoiding having pets at all cost. Rdub said more than once that if you had a dog or a cat at your house, he wouldn't come to visit."
Don and Ange replied,
I remember Ballard telling me that RWD had him take a litter of unwanted puppies out into the woods and chop their heads off with an axe. How sick is that? He said he cried while doing it but he had to obey the so called "man of God". How much mind control does a group have over you when you allow them to influence you to commit acts like this?
The sad thing about it is that many people have done the same or worse to human beings. When that preacher stands behind his pulpit and spiritually tortures people for not adhering to their policies of celibacy (forbidding marriage), isolation from friends and family, separation from normalcy and total obedience to a narcissistic maniac disregarding all common sense and human decency, they eventually leave and don't want anything to do with God anymore.
If you are considering attending the ntcc, please steer clear of this bunch. They will use you up for all that you are worth and decades later you will look back and wonder why you wasted your youth following them. Life is too short and precious to let these users vacuum it out of you.
I'm sure many will say I'm full of hatred and bitterness for writing these words. I remember when the ntcc preachers would rail against its loyal members for all sorts of nonsense they would say it was "righteous indignation". Who is hateful? Who is bitter? The ntcc begs to be called out on this. If they are going to claim that they are the last hope for a dying world, they open themselves up for criticism and scrutiny.
If we can shock people into realizing how corrupt the ntcc is, we will. Everything shared here is the truth and we will continue to share the truth as long as there is breath in us.
Don and Ange
Long time ago I read the story of the life of John Alexander Dowie. He set up Zion, Illinois. Very influential at the start- BUT - He at the end taught he was the end time Elijah. He and his wife spent much on fineries in Europe while those at the "compound" suffered financially. Read the story. History repeats itself. Graham is the new Zion Illinois. Read and weep.
ReplyDeleteRW was never the stature of a Dowie. He told us we did not know the Holy Ghost. Only he did. Hmm...
Oh yes, Dowie had a bad stroke toward the end. Watch out, Graham, for fire from the skies1
I remember Ballard telling me that RWD had him take a litter of unwanted puppies out into the woods and chop their heads off with an axe.
ReplyDeleteWow. PETA would run wild in circles over this.
This makes Michael Vick look like a Saint.
This is what Terrorist do..take the heads off of folks.
RWD = Terrorist!!
Bro Johnson
i forget the guys name that was a little off the deep end.
ReplyDeletehis last name starts with M. He often said crazy things.
one time he went by the name stinger.
anyways, i saw he has returned to ntcc.
he was once quite vocal about the goings on there.
You know Jeff, after going to soul-winning one time, it dawn on me that the people I was trying to bring to church actually had it really nice, better than us, who had been giving to God for so, so many years. How can this be so, when we were so faithful and doing all this work and suddenly I'm faced with this fact, that I was worse than they were. Who was I kidding?
ReplyDeleteQuite an eye opener.
blovd
I am glad to know that this conference is opened to everyone! yay! We are praying that my grandmother comes up and then will get to experience conference
ReplyDeleteAll, found this little blurb scanning MC Kekels Bogus Blog today.
So NTCC has now opened up Conference for Anybody? This poor soul wants her Grandmother to have a heart attack who HAS NEVER ATTENDED A NTCC SERVICE to make it to Graham?
I thought you had to be a member in good standing with NTCC for AT LEAST A YEAR, HELLOOOOO?!?!?!?
Is this Grandmother going to learn a skit? NTCC will take a picture of her and say, we support the elderly, go ahead and take up an offering so she we can pawn off her hard earned Social Security!!
Just give it all, GRANNY! God WILL BLESS YOU!!!!
So now the leadership is so HARD CORE desperate that they are allowing you to drag GRANDMAW 2,000 miles Cross Country to Conference for the FIRST TIME EVER
They are going to be surprised to find out there is no old folks home there, in fact, NTCC normally kicks old people out on the street after their preacher husband dies off, right???
Bro Johnson
ntcc opening up there "conference" to everyone. Sounds like desperation to me. They are not bringing in the money the need to keep there "empire" going like there used to living. Lets have a public choir christmas singing. Oh look we are "normal" folks. Come on out to our church. we are not those FREAKS that you are used to. The word out in the community is the women with ugle hair,look like there stuck in a time warp. Especially the men asll look like FBI agents!
ReplyDeleteIt is ALL DAMAGE CONTROL! Nothing else folks! they want to look as mainstream as they can. while still believing there set apart and so much more Holier then other churches.
Who by the way got more folks coming EVERY SINGLE week then ntcc does.
I remember door knocking ALL the time. To get very little results. While other local churches did not door knock. and folks were flocking to there doors. Gee,I wonder what they had that ntcc doesn't?
April
Blovd said...
ReplyDeleteYou know Jeff, after going to soul-winning one time, it dawn on me that the people I was trying to bring to church actually had it really nice, better than us, who had been giving to God for so, so many years.
Jeff said...
Thats the way it is but let an NTCC pastor tell you; "What they have is just a curse or trick of the Devil". An NTCC pastor will say, "It only appears that they have it better, but you are a child of the King"! An NTCC pastor will say, "Just be patient, God will bless". An NTCC pastor will give you every bogus reason in the book for you being BROKE while promising future monetary blessings to come from GAWD.
Twenty and Thirty years goes by and the blessings still haven't come, and you're still broke, and then the NTCC pastor says, "You are not blessed because you don't have enough faith." Or the NTCC pastor says, "You don't have money because you are a knot head and you haven't listened to PASTOR" i.e. RWD. Or the NTCC pastor says, "You're broke because there must be sin in your life"!!!
The one thing he never says is, "You're broke because you've followed the NTCCs stupid rules and spent all your money on conferences, sent too much of your money to Graham, went to church too often when you should have been working, quit too many jobs because of the NTCCs stupid mandates, or been guilt tripped into giving too much money to pledges when you should have been saving what little money you had left. Notice I said "had" because you gave all your money to the NTCC and now Mike and Tanya Kekel's house looks like a museum while your house looks like something from a run down, dilapidated, forty year old trailer park.
Well Jeff says...
NTCC folks are broke, and living way below the poverty level because the NTCC has it set up that way, PERIOD!!!
You go to church too much when you should be working and you take all the wrong jobs because you are trying to fall in line with their stupid schedules that are designed for no other reason than to bring in more of your money.
RWD said to his pastors in conference: "If they didn't have enough money and they weren't having 5 services a week then it was their fault that they were broke and they were afraid to ask their people for money." Now that's what RWD said so don't anyone tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. If you follow the NTCC system, 99% of the time with only a few exceptions, you will remain broke and all the people you invite to church will be doing way better than you, and Mike Kekel and RWD will always be doing way better than you because you and everyone else are giving them too much of your money. PERIOD, PERIOD, PERIOD, PERIOD, PERIOD!!!!!
And what does it get spent on? $20,000 a year for Grant Kekel's high school education, putting Grant Kekel through a secular college and some fancy useless furniture that Tanya Kekel dreamed up because she is so spoiled that she has run out of ways to spend all your money so she's got to figure out new ones. Consequently now the inside of her house resembles a stinkin museum. That is where your hard earned money is going and if you can't see that you are so ridiculously blind that you couldn't lead a horse to water say no less lead a soul to Christ.
The NTCC is a family business!!!! No more and no less and their business is getting more money and time from suckers who are just like I used to be.
Man we have so much reliable negative info about the NTCC on these blogs that there shouldn't be one soul left walking through NTCC doors but the sad part is that some suckers will remain that way their entire life just to die and realize they'd been tricked.
Jeff
April asked, "wonder what they had that ntcc doesn't?"
ReplyDeleteFREEDOM! In other churches nobody 'owns' you like ntcc does to its members!
Jeff said,
ReplyDelete"You're broke because you've followed the NTCCs stupid rules"
LARCH says, ................................AMEN!!!
Well Jeff says...
ReplyDelete"NTCC folks are broke, and living way below the poverty level because the NTCC has it set up that way, PERIOD!!!"
LURCH says, .................................PREACH!
Jeff said,
ReplyDeleteRWD said to his pastors in conference: "If they didn't have enough money and they weren't having 5 services a week then it was their fault that they were broke and they were afraid to ask their people for money."
says,
That is disgraceful! It really is just about the money. This proves it!
check it out
ReplyDeleteHuh. Well said in your article there. I'm a 14 year old kid, got out of that 'church' awhile ago. So heres my two cents; We are indeed better off without them. Anyone who thinks that living their life of poverty needs to rethink that... Yuk yuk. I'd much rather live life and have some fun. Switchfoot, says its all. "Live like we're dying." ^^
ReplyDeleteThanks for writing these Jeff, its nice to see my family isn't the only one out there, who was hurt by the church. Means a lot to me.
And to the point ~ I'm now exposed to much more culture and am far happier than I ever was!
But enough bellyaching about the church now. Life is meant to be lived, and now we can move on!
Oh. And the 'devil vision' is ever so fun to watch. My favorite movie just so happens to be Avatar! Oh and look. My brain isn't rotting out... Tehee.
thanks again for writing all this man, means a lot to more people than you know.
Lord "P"
ReplyDeleteWhat you see and know of NTCC is ONLY 15% of the surface of what NTCC WANTS you to know.
NTCC is a CULT Iceburg: 85% of the under the table dealings and stuff you and I will never know about.
Whuch makes exposing NTCC for the CULT it is that much more important.
I envy you: We did not have all of this knowledge at our fingertips growing up in NTCC.
Looks like you have a good head on your shoulders, Enjoy your life, live for God, and long live the Anti-NTCC Rebel cause against the Evil NTCC Empire!!
Bro Johnson
LoL,the devilvision is going to rob you of your time. That there was such few things good on TV that it was like reaching through a barrel of rotten apples to reach one good apple.
ReplyDeleteI can testify to those still in ntcc or even others out that think the TV is this horrible evil contraption.LOL Folks in ntcc right now are watching DVD's,movies. Movies that you pick to watch. SAMETHING with TV. You turn on the TV like you turn on a movie. You pick the show,how long you want to sit and watch. And now you can even record the show and go right through commericals. Spend even less time watching a show. That CAN be enriching. I know we have a much more rounded,enriched life then we EVER did while in ntcc. No wonder folks think all they can talk about is the Bible,Jesus,soulwinning. Why? Because you got NOTHING else to talk about. Life is alot more interesting these days!
AND I still Read my Bible and pray. BUT I do not PRETEND that is ALL I do with my time. And if I don't spend ALL my time reading my Bible,praying or soulwinning then I am wasting Gods time! Or not working in Gods work!
April
April said,
ReplyDelete"Life is alot more interesting these days! AND I still Read my Bible and pray. BUT I do not PRETEND that is ALL I do with my time"
Don and Ange replied,
The difference is, you do it because you enjoy it and they do it because they think it is going to earn them a "get out of hell free card". The ntcc lives on the premise that everything they do will keep them from dying and going to hell.
How religious can you get? "If you expect God to allow you into heaven, you will have to follow our rules." "We will decide who gets to go to heaven", says the ntcc preacher.
I say you're better off having your own relationship with God than one that is manipulated by this bunch of religious hypocrites. In fact leaving the ntcc is the best thing a person can do if he or she wants a real relationship with God. We used to walk around in prayer meetings groaning, "God save souls" and then go out on post inviting everyone we seen out and nobody would come. Many times it was because there was sin in the camp. An ntcc preacher full of pride, rebuking people publicly to make him feel special.
You'd be better off going to the catholic church and worshiping statues or running the rosary beads than you would getting involved with this bunch of pharisees. At least you would still have some chump change left in your pocket.
Don and Ange
Jeff,
ReplyDeleteYou probably just need to run 11 more Posts a month and folks will respond accordingly, you can just go on autopilot as anything Kekel does anymore generates less and less news.
I say this because the shock factor is gone. NTCC is now a mainstream church and they KNOW it. The Leadership KNOWS it. AND THEY DON'T CARE!!!
The ONLY people that do care are Folks WHO DO NOT GO TO NTCC. That is the sad part.
It was all PHONY BOLONY from the start and we all were dupped and fell for the false love. False love from False Christians. My dog (RIP) gave me more of a hope to live than NTCC, and that is saying ALOT. At least my dog CARED about me, like he REALLY APPRECIATED me being around him, no false pretenses!!!
NTCC is now a HIP church. There I said it. IHOP has more holiness than they do.
Bro Johnson
Bro Jeff,
ReplyDeleteI meant to say 11 more Posts a Year, my Bad! LOL!
Bro Johnson
Bro. Johnson said,
ReplyDelete"My dog (RIP) gave me more of a hope to live than NTCC, and that is saying ALOT. At least my dog CARED about me, like he REALLY APPRECIATED me being around him, no false pretenses!!!"
Al says,
Bro J, condolences on the loss of your four-footed friend! It's true that dogs really do CARE,REALLY APPRECIATE our good Masters, and have no false pretenses!!!
I think you were talking to April in a previous post when you said of NTCC, "They shun you, like you are a bastard child once you leave. Then you realize their love is fake. Tell me, what church organization does that who cannot be compared to a cult?"
NTCC is definitely a cult. They don't love anyone. They just love their money.
Dogs love unconditionally, like you said, Bro. J. Today I am proud to be a canine!
Al