It was recently reported to me that the Olson's crossed paths with a man who was previously with the New Testament Christian Church. They were all traveling on the same aircraft to the same destination. The man said that he saw the Olsons and he was sure that the Olsons had also noticed him but they didn't acknowledge his presence nor did they greet him. After they crossed paths a few times the man decided that the decent thing to do was to speak and greet the Olsons. The man said that Mr. Olson didn't reply or even speak to him in return. He also said that Mrs. Olson seemed surprised as though she hadn't previously noticed him despite the fact that they'd come virtually face to face on a few occasions.The fact is, this is just another example of an NTCC leader, (if that is what you want to call him because I wouldn't) who does not possess common decency. Mr. Olson is simply a brainwashed, butt kissing, suck-up who's a virtual RWD drone. I could care less if we'd parted ways. The decent thing to do is at least reply and return the greeting but many of these NTCC snobs don't possess common decency. They really don't. It's all a facade with them. NTCC leaders are interested in two things. "We missed you in church on Sunday Brother". "When will you be back"? "Can we expect to see you on Thursday for service or Tuesday for Bible study"? "We'll be praying for you". "You haven't payed your tithe Brother"? "You don't want to miss the next Bible study because we'll be teaching on tithing". "It'll be a blessing to you Brother".
What a complete joke. I can't believe just how superficial these NTCC clowns are. They don't care that your son had to go to the hospital. They don't care that your wife is having a baby because they will sure have her out soul winning. They don't care if you loose your job, your wife, your children or your parents. They care about two things and it's obvious because that is what they are always concerned with. "Are you going to make it to church on Sunday and are you going to pay your tithe." Period point blank end of story. Money and numbers, and that is straight from RWD's mouth. I can't stand these guys and I hate their attitudes. To put it plainly, they are flat out jerks. They definitely don't possess brotherly love. They will "act" like they love you as long as you attend church as much as humanly possible and as long as you pay tithe. Tell me I'm lying. All you NTCC folks who read this blog; come on here and tell me that I'm lying. Miss paying your tithe and back off some of those church services and watch how rapidly their attitudes change toward you.
Jeff
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0KaKggrmSY
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ReplyDeleteWell, at least the rest of us know what to expect...all the more reason to say hi, be friendly, and engage in conversation. If Rev. Olson won't talk to me, I am sure his wife will.
Leave it to NTCC to make normal situations unnecessarily uncomfortably dramatic.
This is a good enough reason to attend a nearby NTCC church.
Gregory
The people of NTCC have no decency! The ASSmore’s (and their whole clan included – Difrancesco’s and Kathy Jordan) have ignored their granddaughter (niece, great niece) since about 2005. No reason given. The granddaughter lives in the Tacoma WA area too. So it’s not like she lives in some far off remote place.
ReplyDeleteOh yeah Greg, we know what to expect. I'm sure they all wouldn't act that way but there is a good percentage who would. If you ever did step foot in their church, (which I have no desire to do) it's likely they'd give you a good blasting. I had enough of that and I'm no longer a glutton for their punishment. They are notorious for that kind of conduct.
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I call it "mean people". It a part of "shunning" sinful people. Its like this Jeff- apostates are those who leave NTCC. Jeff it's really so simple.
ReplyDeleteThey start out like you are their friend- WRONG. You are under them to be OBEDIENT. The multi-marketing levels demand that you will always be stuck at the level you came in on- only solution is to get some under you.
Cults never let you have friends. There is a great unseen spy-network that operates behind the scenes. We've all experienced that. They make you doubt you own critical thinking processes. This tips you off-base.
I recall once I sat in a disciplining session for the youngest of the Jordan brothers. I now look back and wonder if this was more about me or Johnny Jordan. I wonder if I was being examined for my attitudes.
Then too, the continual "shaming" of people into submission. You know what is TRUE? Jesus bore our SHAME for us! and no preacher has any right to use that psychological trick!
Oops, there I go- I should not have watched "Drink the Kool-Aid" videos on YouTube- it reminded me so much of NTCC - Jim Jones, etc...
Friends at NTCC? hardly! friends outside of NTCC! YES! why? because we are not here to control each other by some false means.
You cannot follow those you do not trust. You cannot trust someone you do not KNOW.
RW teaches people NOT to know closely- the leaders. FALSE. Paul let people call him by first name. Dig that RW?
They don't care that your wife is having a baby because they will sure have her out soul winning.
ReplyDeleteI can top that one due to personal experience! NTCC will have you soul winning so in the end your wife miscarries your child.
I can personally attest after the fact that once I informed then Rev Hanna that my wife was pregnant it seemed like he was on a personal crusade to destroy my child.
His whole demenor just changed. It wasn't "I'm happy for you, brother!" NO! Nothing of the kind.
Murder is Murder is Murder however way you look at it. I was just too stupid and naive at the time to see through Hanna's true intentions. I was that brainwashed in NTCCology.
I thought, at the time, it was my WIFE who had the problem, not the Hannas.
I'm telling you that couple was on a mission to destroy my hopes and dreams AND my marriage.
If Kekel cannot face up to the fact that his preacher and Organization screwed up and has been screwing up for quite a long time then he is a seriously demented individual and insane in the membrane.
My wife told me, "They had me walking, walking, walking, never stop walking for soul winning" so anyone who never though stress can cause a miscarriage, well, here is the big elephant staring at you in the eye.
I know have THREE beautiful and smart and funny children that God gave me for my first child's early retirement OUTSIDE OF NTCC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
By the way if you go to Eric Hanna's Facebook page he HAS A LITTLE BOY!!! Some irony, Huh?
I Brother Johnson take credit for the last Post!!!
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ReplyDeleteWhile my wife was pregnant, our NTCC pastor spent a lot of time (strongly suggesting) that she continue soul winning as well. She was also running back and forth to church about seven times a week between all the services and church related events. She started bleeding and her doctor placed her on bed rest. The pastor regularly asked me and or called her to find out when she would be off bed rest and back in church. I finally put a stop to all the soul winning by simply notifying the pastor that she wouldn't be attending soul winning any more as long as she was pregnant. Very shortly after that we left his church and started attending a different NTCC church about 2 hours from my house. That pastors main concern was not my wife's or the baby's well being but rather church and soul winning.
ReplyDeleteThank God the pregnancy stabilized (due to the bed rest which caused my wife to miss services and soul winning) and to this day my son is well. Unfortunately for Brother Johnson things turned out a whole lot worse. I'm sure he wishes he'd put his foot down and put a stop to all that mess but RWDs drones have a way of learning how to manipulate people quite well. RWD's pastors learned the control monger trade quite well from old RWD. RWD taught them well the art of how to effectively brainwash young impressionable Christians and more specifically military personnel.
Pastor Kekel likes to blame all of the NTCC's blunders on guys like Hanna and Denis only because they've left the church. When they were still with the NTCC they were considered God's gift to Christianity. Denis and Hanna could do no wrong and that is why RWD gave them authority over some relievedly large congregations. There are still abusive pastors with the NTCC who've displayed a consistent pattern of abusive but the NTCC leadership still keeps them around. As soon as one of them leaves however the NTCC leadership will openly smear their names and it happens like that all the time. Let Mayers leave and he will be like dirt being spewed out of their mouths. Ramirez is one seriously abusive dude also and according to all reports that I receive he hasn't changed. The NTCC leadership sucks and I know how they operate.
Jeff
Hello ex members,
ReplyDeleteCheck out what W.W. had to say about the NTCC on insiderpages website (http://www.insiderpages.com/b/3723243712/new-testament-christian-church-graham) under the title "Seems Like a Cult." That post is from a lady who just recently visited one of NTCC's churches for the first time. One thing I could not stand about NTCC was the "unchallengeable preacher's interpretation on anything mentality" that was so prevalent. Jesus let his followers ask him dozens of questions and he always gave substantial answers or replies. Turns out it wasn't the devil lying to us about NTCC after all. In many cases it was more likely the grace of God working with one's common sense. We can either choose to ignore our good judgment or see NTCC for what it is, a messed up organization. Moreover, anyone with a strong foundational knowledge of the Bible and theology will be able to see through the Pharisee theology, double standards, etc.
Stephen G.
Also please see my post (Not Recommended) if you haven't already on the insider website. I spent 4 1/2 years in NTCC and left in 2006. I now have a bachelor's degree and I am currently a grad school student at a full accredited seminary.
I hope you guys don't think all Pentecostal/Charismatic churches out there are like NTCC because that simply isn't true. There are wonderful Pentecostal/Charismatic churches out there that don't teach and propagate Pharisee theology.
I'm not much of a blogger but I thought the post by W.W. on the insiderpages website was very revealing.
Stephen G.,
ReplyDeleteWe saw your review of ntcc on the Insider Pages and thought it was honest, well written, and balanced. Thanks for participating on this blog too. You are right. It was the Holy Ghost dealing with or working with our common sense to get us out of ntcc, a messed up organization indeed.
Don and Ange
Link to w.w.'s review of ntcc--
ReplyDeleteInsider Pages ntcc Graham, WA
Pathetic. Absolutely Pathetic. But it doesn't surprise me. Olson is nothing more than a "Yes Man". If R'Dub ever makes a sudden stop.........Well, You all know the rest of the story.
ReplyDeleteSince when does a person have to make 1/10th cash money payments in order to stay in a church? Where is the financial disclosure?
ReplyDeleteKinda reminds me of that scripture in II Peter 2:3, "And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you..."
"Evil Reigns When Good Men Fail To Act"
ReplyDeleteAuthor Unknown, but this reminds me of NTCC!
Bro Johnson
Thanks for posting this blog, "The Lack Of Common Decency." I am the very one who was travelling from Phoenix to Seattle this past January. I didn't leave the borg because I had a problem with God, but because I had a problem with the borg. The culture of NTCC is rife with childishness and dysfunctionality. The way that ministers and long-time members are taught to manipulate and influence others causes all of their relationships to be out of balance in some way or another. Your friendships and family relations outside the borg become strained at least and isolated more often than not.
ReplyDeleteThe truth of the matter is that I actually felt sorry for the Olsons in a way. They're stuck! They can't get out. Where can they go? What do they have outside of NTCC? What are their lives? What have they amounted to? They gotta be RWD's and Macdaddy Kekel's old stooges or else they're living under a bridge or something. I can bet that, at the very least, Mrs. Olson knows this thing is a mess...but where can she go? What can she do? Slamming a napkin on the table saying "he knew" when referring to Denis's plots? I bet that if they had a legitimate chance to get outta dodge, they would in a NY minute! If they had a means to live outside of NTCC, I suspect they probably would. The only hesitation they would have, if money wasn't the issue, is being all alone. I mean, how many real friends and close family relatives do they have after being alienated for 40 plus years?!?! Yet this is nothing compared to the hundreds, maybe thousands, that have suffered because they've been RWD's enablers...giving RWD a sense of holy legitimacy because they're branded as being the most "Christ-like." They made their bed, now they'll sleep in it until death does them part from NTCC...and Macdaddy Kekel is laughing all the way to the bank.
Mark said...
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting this blog.
Chief said...
You're welcome. It's good to see you here Mark. You are an old time factneter. I could always relate to what you write. It always made sense and was right on target. The NTCC sucks and Kekel is laughing all the way to the bank.
Chief
hey marc,
ReplyDeletein case you haven't seen it,
check out
"pimps in the pulpit"
http://youtu.be/FipM4SNo98Y
I'd like folks to know that Marc came to visit me at the airport when I was passing through some years back, even though I had left the org long before and was being actively shunned by the clones and company men. But Marc was for real, and it was only a matter of time before he blew out of there too. He and Derrick were instrumental in developing the theme of NTCC being a real estate holding company masquerading as a "holiness" church, and subsequent revelations have only strengthened that thesis.
ReplyDeleteVic, Thanks for that info. It's good to know some people love God more than an org. or rules; that they will step out of the man-made box and visit a friend regardless of where he or she goes to church. Something for everyone to think about.
ReplyDeleteAs far as the real estate business, that was a good catch. It's strange how duped we were while 'in' -- bullied into blindness. Now the opulence of the top level of the ntcc pyramid is just so obvious. We're glad that somebody got the ball rolling. Good job to Marc and Derrick, Vic, Jeff, and the many others who have continued eXposing the truth about the ntcc real estate and other schemes.
Did Mick Lloyd-Owen have a Word Press blog about the ntcc?
Don and Ange
I don't believe Mick ever had an NTCC blog, but he unloaded quite a few devastating salvos on FACTnet.
ReplyDeleteThanks, Dr. Vic, for your kind words. :-) At that time, I wanted to stay loyal to NTCC, but had real reservations about many of the rules, how they treated people who had left, and their amassed real estate wealth (under their religious 'non-profit' corporation...HA-HA!!!)...and how I could not reconcile these things with the loving God of the Bible. I've been so out-of-the-loop for so long. I didn't know about Grant's property gift(s) or attendance at a Catholic University until this day...though it doesn't surprise me one bit. The writing has been all over the wall for a very long time. I miss everyone here. - Marc
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