You could potentially drown and waste your entire life with the New Testament Christian Church. Have you considered that? Read on.
Many people in the NTCC will either delay their inevitable departure from the church, or they simply will never leave at all for one of three reasons. They are either psychologically blind, too proud or cowards; one of the three.
I know this to be true. Now for some of the newer folks, this rule may not totally apply but for people who have been around the NTCC for at least 10 to 15 years or more, this rule totally applies. You dogmatically preached to your family and friends insisting that the NTCC was the last great hope for mankind, and now that you know that it's anything but, you don't have the courage and or you can't put down your pride long enough to admit that you were wrong all along. You are still sticking around because you can't bear the thought of your family, (who you dogged in the past because of your new found religious beliefs) asking you too many questions and wanting an explanation as to why you left the NTCC. Your pride won't let you admit to your family and friends that you were wrong about the NTCC when they tried to tell you that all along. Tell me I'm off the mark. For that matter, most of you don't even have the courage to come on this blog to defend yourselves and or your church in a well thought out intelligent manner. You are worried about what Mike Kekel might say from the pulpit when he learns that quote "his people" are frequenting this "ungodly" blog.
If the NTCC is what you've been told, explain to me why Mr. Barnes left your church? He was chosen by Davis and or the General Board. Barnes was bragged on openly in conference by Davis himself. What, they didn't pray enough before selecting him to be a pastor. They weren't close enough to God to know that Barnes and Ashmore would eventually leave the NTCC and basically take their entire congregations with them? What about Denis; they didn't pray enough about him either? How about Reed or Shunk? Never touched base with the Lord on them either? See, and this goes back to my original statement. NTCC people are not in touch with God and the truth is, neither are you, but you are too proud, blind, or you don't have enough courage to admit that to yourself, your family and your friends.
So you say, "Denis was a crook". Ok fair enough, so then who placed him in such a high position of power within the NTCC prior to his double crossing deeds? Someone with no insight? Someone who didn't "pray" long enough about the appointment prior to making it? What about Barnes or Ashmore? Same story? And don't you think it's ironic and coincidental that Ashmore flew the coop shortly after Davis' death. So was Davis Ashmore's God all along or is Kekel a sorry leader or a combination of the two?
You see, I don't have a problem asking these questions but you NTCC old timers don't have the courage to do the same. Either that or you've been brainwashed into believing that if you do ask these legitimate questions, that you are being tricked by the quote "Devil" and entertaining evil thoughts. What a joke. What a complete joke.
Anyway, does even one current NTCCer have the courage to come on this blog and defend your church? Are you brainwashed into believing that God will defend your church and straighten me out on this one also? I've been blogging on here for about the last 6 years and I've called your NTCC leaders every name in the book and I just keep getting blessed more and more since I started. Davis was a conniving double standard crook. Kekel is the biggest hypocrite I've ever met. Olson is a sorry piece of garbage who was no more than the creep who did his best to cover up Davis and Kekel's con games, double standards and womanizing practices. And Ashmore? Are you kidding me? If you leave to go with him, you are doing no more than jumping straight out of a boiling pot in into a steaming kettle. Ashmore only left the NTCC because he knew he'd never get a piece of the pie $$$ or because Davis was his God, period, point blank end of story. What, it took Ashmore about 40 YEARS to figure out the NTCC was quote, "legalistic". Are you kidding me?
I wonder how the heir to the NTCC gold mine is doing at his Catholic college? The same college that you would have been blasted about from the pulpit if you would have sent your children there. Someone who is currently in the NTCC needs to have the guts to come on here and tell me I'm lying. If you are following Mike and Tanya Kekel you are one seriously lost individual.
Mattew 7:1-3
ReplyDeleteDude, read John 7:24, and don't be shallow
DeleteYou are speaking for yourself
ReplyDeleteAnother good post full of common sense. Good work Chief!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said....
ReplyDeleteYou are speaking for yourself
DNA said....
At least he is speaking. Many of you have been reading the blogs and attending the ntcc at the same time for years. You know who you are. Kekel and Ashmore read these blogs regularly so they can do damage control. Chief is right. I would say about 90% or you fall into the third category which means you are a bunch of cowards. You are not serving God, you are serving Kekel or Ashmore.
There are a few brainwashed suckers out there that are oblivious to what is really going on but most of you are a bunch of scared, whimpering cowards. The reason you can not get on this blog and stand up for yourselves is because you are afraid of getting caught, and you know that most of what is being shared is true. Many of you are afraid you will look stupid if you try to use Kekel's logic (or lack thereof) to defend your watered down version of Christianity. You will never be allowed to be yourself as long as you are subject to Kekel or the likes of Olson or Ashmore. Don't be surprised if you spend the rest of your lives giving your money to the ntcc and you end up like the St. Clairs. She didn't even have enough money to cremate her husband, and had to take up an offering. All those years of trafficking their daughter to the higher ups and Ralph left Joan broke. She is now a widow according to Julie and I wonder how well she will be cared for by the ntcc seeing she is over 60.
He is not speaking for himself. There are more people that have left the ntcc than there are who have stayed and they have stood up like men and stated why they have left. Unlike you Anonymous, they have intestinal fortitude to state their reasons why they have left, but you can't make a simple case, why you stay.
Is it wrong to judge other people? Are you being judgmental towards those that are judgmental?
ReplyDeleteIf that's the case than are you being judgmental towards those that are judgmental of the judgmental? Was Jesus being judgmental when he called the Pharisees a bunch of snakes and vipers? Is it judgmental for us who have never profited one dime from our statements to draw attention to the filthy rich leaders of the ntcc who have used the poor people in their churches to live in luxury? Will you answer these questions, or will you cower down like the rest of your buddies in the ntcc?
ReplyDeleteI watched your video after commenting and it makes a weak case using the supposition that all people need to be corrected using kid gloves. That's okay when you are dealing with people that don't know any better, but most of the people in the ntcc have hard and calloused hearts. They have been jacked up so much by their leaders that they need to be jolted back to reality. Ashmore recently told someone his feelings were hurt when we published Julie's story on our blog. Well guess what? When you spend forty + years hurting the feelings of others, it sometimes might come back around to bite you. We aren't dealing with young children that are just learning how to understand their bible readings, but most of the people in the ntcc have read the book from cover to cover and they have been living a lie for quite some time. They need to wake up from their brain washed stupor. Treating them like babies isn't going to do it. Nice try with the video.
ReplyDeleteWhat?!? Ash more left?!? Holy Hannacha Tuesday Batman a Wedding!!! But what would I know I'm too blessed for that mess!! Brother Johnson
ReplyDeleteDon,
ReplyDeleteI was speaking of the individual who dropped the Matthew 7 reference. The video is a perfect response to anyone who drops Matthew 7 without seriously thinking about the context of what Jesus meant.
John 7:24 - Judge righteous judgment. Not by external appearances. Ntcc hides reality and lies about those who leave. I was there with Ashmore in Bible School. The fear of man brings a snare. Prov 29:25. Boy did we get snared by man. But when we learned To trust the Lord, we entered safety. We've been so blessed to be out of ntcc!
ReplyDeleteJeff, you are one righteous dude, keep up the good work. The truth always prevails. The org is RWD, so said JHO, therefore ntcc is dead, and maybe in outer darkness... Unravelling...
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ReplyDeleteSorry to be so mean to ntcc, but I was in it from 1973-1982. I watched as they destroyed lives and marriages through manipulation and deceit, all under the guise of spirituality (?)... Early in they compromised their beliefs to establish a base of mindless zombies who thought we were God's last move on earth. I had to rebuke Eli Gesang when he lamented that there were no other ministers if God in the Northwest. I'm sure heaven was not impressed with this sort of exclusivity. Mark 9:38. I'm shocked at how little ntcc-ers know about God.
ReplyDeleteFriendly Fire,
ReplyDeleteI understand where you are coming from and you are right. The video that you shared is right also from the perspective of a normal and healthy church. I get pretty passionate about this stuff. It actually gets me mad sometimes because the ntcc hurts a lot of people. The ntcc has thoroughly brainwashed it's members and they need a little more shock treatment to wake them up from the dead. When you published the "Thou shalt not judge" sentence above, I had heard it so many times and didn't realize that you were basically doing the same thing that most of us are doing. Usually it's the defense that people in the ntcc use to ignore what they are all about and they use it to label us.
Anyway, you were right, we are on the same side and I sometimes need to take a closer look into what is said before I respond. This is Chief's blog anyway, and he is never at a lack for words of wisdom. Take care.
Michael Johnson,
ReplyDeleteWere you from the Fort Campbell Church by any chance?
I tend to think that if Ashmore left it was because of his standing among the people of that church.
Many Pastors would brag about either Davis or Ashmore as they had both done everything in the book yet he had to be led by a guy who's just been an administrator?
I left because I was miserable but stayed way too long for pride's sake. I tried to ease back into a normal lifestyle hoping no one would question me. Trust me when I say they may give you crap for a day but after that it's as if the long lost son coming back home.
Wake up for your only given so much time.
For those of you who aren't supposed to read this blog could you please just respond under anonymous. What are your thoughts concerning some of your board members leaving? All the sexual misconduct that's been thrown out there.
ReplyDeleteAre you under the impression that we're of the devil and we're just ticked off they we gave so much of our lives to the church?
Find out the history for yourself. Why did Sensenbaugh who was there at the founding leave? He was practically Davis' adopted kid.
Why did Denis leave (Because he's of the devil I know)? Curry (Same reason)? Barnes? Now Ashmore? Come on, there is something wrong if people up and leave who are at the top of the org.
Please respond if your still in the org so I can get your thoughts? I don't want to hear how we're all of the devil (although I'll admit I am now). I want you to defend Kekel, Kinson, Olson, and the like.
Wait,
ReplyDeleteI almost forgot. Explain why your children weren't allowed to play sports or go to any college but the BS yet Davis Grandson gets to do whatever he wants plus get deeded a million dollar home. Does he even attend the church of his Father and Grandfather? Do you see the nepotism involved in this ORG?
You've got a guy who's an administrator picked over a guy like Ashmore who's been a missionary, Pastor, Healer (?), Teacher, and the list goes on yet Kekel gets to be in charge? HOW DID THAT HAPPEN?
Follow the money people.
Open your mind to question those in authority over you just for a day.
They can't watch movies but they can listen to books on tape, or read books like Tom Clancy. What's the difference? Please just take off your rose colored glasses for a day and take a chance. Don't question God, just the men over you.
I was wrong, and I left quick, Fast and in a hurry.
ReplyDeleteSon is playing state basketball Tournament in Rochester MN this weekend. Wouldn't be able to do that unless I was Kekel and Grant.
Jdaddy in the Hizzy fo Shizzy
Jdaddy,
ReplyDeleteHope your kid wins as you have already won by leaving the org.
Good luck.
Mike
I'll tell you how it happened. Tanya was going to get everything from the start. Kekel must have been a competent preacher to the point where he could administrate all the while living in a big mansion and being groomed to have dominion over the business. Grant is next in line. Screw that kid if he went to college and played in sports while we were all suckered into preventing our children with a childhood. Come on this blog Grant and state your business with your fathers organization. Or are you to busy banging college whores in your mansion.
ReplyDeleteIt's so obvious it's a family+Board only organization. If you're not in the club then get ready for a lot of heartache.
"If you want what I have then you have to do what I do" R Dub. IE: Become a control freak conman.
Clearly everyone on this blog is angry.
ReplyDeleteGet saved, filled with the Holy Ghost, and go to the alter.
After you do those things make sure you put at least a 20 in the next offering with your tithe check.
Whom ever just posted this is correct. It costs 1230 dollars to service my quarter million dollar car so I'll be needing some money.
ReplyDeleteMK
Sin Clair couldn't admit he was wrong, now been summoned to appear before his judge. Wish I could be a fly on the wall for that one.
ReplyDeletePretty surreal what's going down in the borg nowadays--only regret I have about leaving is that I didn't do so earlier.
ReplyDeleteSt Clair has been summoned to appear in court? Is that true? Just curious. St Clair and his sorry wife pimped their daughter for who knows how long for those of you who might not have known.
ReplyDeleteChief
No Chief, he died and has been summoned before HIS judge (God). That's what the commentor meant.
ReplyDeleteOh, St Clair is dead. I see. Who knows. That guy was dirtier than a dump truck. Olson decided to quote "promote" that guy hey? What a joke. Olson is a joke. In my not so humble opinion, R. St Clair had about as much chance at getting quote, "promoted" as Adolph Hitler. For that matter, Olson posed a question, (why did God not heal him)? The proper question might be, (did God judge him) or is this yet another of the NTCCs sneaky cover-ups. There is no telling with the NTCC as they've made a history of secretive practices and shadiness.
ReplyDeleteThere is one thing I do know for sure without doubt. The NTCC leadership will spin a story to reflect favorably upon them and their blind followers. That's for certain and that's all Olson was doing with his shady post regarding St. Clair's death. Promoted and healed??? Give me a break. Once again, what a joke.
I don't put folks in heaven or even hell for that matter. What I do know is that St. Clair was a scum bag so if he made it to heaven, well then good for him. The standards might not be so high and that could work out for all of us because I'm certainly no Saint and R St. Clair was anything but. St. Clair and is wife are dirty, real dirty. Later.
Hi all, this is Mike A.
ReplyDeleteJust a side note... Tons of traffic based on the counter you have on the front page. The last 7 days have been quite active with Friday going crazy. About 42 new people viewed this site a week. I'm guessing they are Xer's or NTCC types taking a peak. Either way it's burning down.
Clearly a bunch of people visit but don't comment.
ReplyDeletean Xer would eventually comment.
But the board is clearly taking a look at the activity here as it is very dangerous to their scheme.
JD
How could the board get rid of the CEO?
ReplyDeleteIf attendance is down dramatically overall in the Graham church can't something under negligence be used to can his sorry warehoused A@@?
I've also read that Olson's own Daughter left. I wasn't there long but that would seem devastating to his stature as well.
Could Johnson or someone on the board do a Coup?
It's strange to me that Kekel could have this much control. That the board, by some design, could be so week that it couldn't oust it's own CEO as most businesses can. If the Trumpet, conferences, and world missions are all running in the red as he professes I can't see keeping a leader like that.
I'm confused by this set up as I am angry about the high horse they ride.
Mike
Take a look at the faculty. I think Tanya is using a picture from the 90's. My wife and I attended one conference and before we knew who she was my wife thought she was a stuck up snob. I should have trusted her instincts then.
ReplyDeleteJdaddy
Tanya, Mike and Grant.
ReplyDeleteThe perfect witnesses to the lies of the NTCC. They didn't follow the rules why should you have to?
I just feel for those who still have to clean their mansions.
Live up your college years now Grant because if you ever come back to your daddy's church you've got some s'plaining to do. I'll come back just to ask the questions if need be.
Michael
Who is the next Big wig to fall out?
ReplyDeleteJohnson 4 to 1
Devinshire (of St Louis) 7 to 1
Olson 12 to 1 but I predict all of them will fall into Ashmore's camp.
Anyone not named Kekel is on a sinking ship.
Please place your bets before midnight and send payment in cash to 4747 Sugar Land Drive Brooklyn NY.
Francisco will be gone once the money starts to wither away.
ReplyDeletePut me down for 20
R Dub's Ghost
Might as well take your tithe and at least make something with these odds. Jordans and DiFrancesco's probably going to bounce with Ashmore. If Johnson's leave, the Kinson's leave. Surprised Jones hasn't left yet, but we know no Black is going to run NTCC. Wright is probably the next to die, then Olson, then Johnson.
ReplyDeleteBurn Baby Burn
ReplyDeleteSo there is this thing called linchpin theory. Mainly dealing with global economic collapse. In dealing with this church however could we narrow it down to an actual person? Some may have thought it was Denis leaving. Others may have thought it was Davis himself dying. I thought maybe it was Ashmore leaving as his standing with the preachers in the org is 2nd to none. Now I'm starting to spit ball mainly for my own amusement but now I think it may be none other than Prince Grant himself. What if after college he doesn't come back to the family business. I'd be highly affected knowing the son of the high priest left and left with a mansion paid for by me.
ReplyDeleteJordan and Francis are a safe bet. Put me down for 30 on Jordan.
Olsen is Chairman, he'll never leave with that kind of title.
ReplyDeleteI'm going with a Devinshire in St Louis,
ReplyDeleteHe's moving up the org but must come to realize there is only so far he can go before he's just given a title.
I've got a Benjamin on him.
"If the Johnsons leave then the Kinsons leave"
ReplyDeleteThat's interesting. If they bounced what's left other than Olson and Kekel and Francis? I didn't know Jones was still there, I thought he went with Denis.
Speaking of which I find it problematic when a preacher leaves the NTCC to go with Denis who is by all measures bankrupt as well and then once he's booted from that church he starts a website dedicated to bringing down HOP. I don't know if a guy like that who can be fooled twice should be doing anything online. Just my thoughts.
ReplyDeleteFor those of you still in the NTCC I just wanted you to know that Guardians of the Galaxy was awesome. My kids basketball tournament that I went to was the best. I am retired from the army and have a normal job. I can't wait to watch the NFL Draft as I expect the Vikings to select Amari Cooper.
Enjoy Soul Winning, praying, services, Bible Studies, services, soul winning, bible studies tithing soul winning, bible studies, praying, tithing, services......
Please try and convince me that fellowshipping with the brethren and sisters in the presence of God is all you need and that you can't think of anything you'd rather do.
ReplyDeleteThe "sisters" despise each other behind each others back. The brethren are so sexually deprived it's funny who they actually end up with just to get a piece.
All I'm going to say is that after work I'm going to the gym and run a couple miles behind a hot girl wearing yoga pants. After that I'm going to watch some news and help my kids with their homework and talk about their day. Then it's hubby and wifey time!
Please enjoy the only 4 activities you have in your life. Praying, soul winning, church, and paying for mansions.
Oh sorry, paying for mansions you get to clean.
ReplyDeleteOh, just in case you're wondering rock concerts are awesome!!!!
ReplyDeleteOK OK I'm in
ReplyDeleteI've got 20 on Kinson and Johnson both going at the same time.
Mark B
Surely there is an NTCC official that has the guts to come on here and explain all of this.
ReplyDeleteWhy are your board members leaving. Why are your standards lower? Why did Grant get to do everything preached against?
Someone explain.
I wish I was still in NTCC as an undercover brother. I'd love to be able to report first hand info to you all. I've heard Olson is flying around doing damage control on Ashmore leaving. I'm sure the board is taking lie detector tests on a daily basis to ensure no one else of import is leaving. The pressure surely is mounting to do something.
ReplyDeleteThe story continues...
Bruce
Spring Conference 2015 will be April 13 - 16, 2015 at the National Campground, Santa Fe, MO.
ReplyDeleteI'm thinking of going. No one will remember me. Never a pastor and haven't been in 10+ years. I've only seen maybe 3 people I know pastoring a church but I'm bald with a big ol' beard.
ReplyDeleteLet me know how that goes.
ReplyDeleteOnce again. Olson is sorry. Soul snatching, I mean "soul winning" in the NTCC is a big waste. "Hey pastor guess who I just "won" to the church?" This guy called Ashmore.
ReplyDelete40 year later...
Boy did I ever win a good one with Ashmore. He's been around 40 years now. PRAISE GOD!!!
The next day...
Did you hear, Ashmore just left and took his whole church with him.
Barnes, Denis, Ashmore, Reed, Shunk, Blumenthal and the list goes on. Taylor; both of them. Debbie Shunk. Wow, you are accomplishing a whole lot with all that "soul snatching". Oh but God will reward me. God might, but in the end you've accomplished basically nothing but wasted a whole bunch of time, money and a large chunk of your life.
All for what? So Grant Kekel can spend your money at a Catholic college or Kekel can become even richer driving nice cars or Tanya can get another fancy dress or more furniture or YET an even bigger house. You are not serving God in the NTCC. You are serving Kekel so go clean his house. Send your wife to clean Kekel's house so she can get smacked in the butt by Kekel. Bend over "sister" and scrub that floor.
Later, Chief
Better yet, send your daughters over to clean Kekel's house. Maybe he will rub up against them 'accidentally' while trying to squeeze by them while they are bent over cleaning as one person testified. You might say that we are sick for saying this, but women that used to clean Kekel's house have shared this, so don't blame us.
ReplyDeleteThink about that the next time you go soul winning. The people that you recruit are probably going to end up in Kekel's mansion cleaning. Would you trust your daughter with Kekel? St. Clair did. Well actually St. Clair did more than trust Kekel, he made arrangements for board members to have some special time with their daughter. That's probably why Joan and Ralph completely disowned Julie and told everyone that they had no daughter. They never treated her like a human being anyway, she was just a piece of flesh to them, to pass around so board members could get off without getting caught.
So go out their and win some more souls for Jesus and bring them into the fold. At some point they will eventually end up in Graham with Kekel and Kinson, (scary thought). Don't get mad at us, we are just messengers. Direct your anger towards the ones that have been exploiting women in the ntcc. Get mad at Kinson for visiting the whore house, or Kekel for defiling St. Clair's daughter.
If I were paying 10% of my money to Kekel or Kinson, I would think I deserved some kind of explanation for their behavior. If you are paying them your tithe you should ask them what their involvement was in these incidents.
Soul winning? What a joke.
ReplyDeleteDoor knocking. Harassment. Guilt trips.
I was a recruiter and you don't recruit much during "Cold Calls". The best way to recruit is through events. School presentations and the like were the most effective. The damage from just walking around and inviting people to go to church is why they've got churches with 7-10 people. Instead of picnics, charity events and whatever other crap leads to actual human interaction they chose to spend hours "Cold Calling".
Don and Ange wrote...
ReplyDeleteThe people that you recruit are probably going to end up in Kekel's mansion cleaning. Would you trust your daughter with Kekel?
Chief wrote...
Exactly. If you send your wife or daughter to go clean Kekel's house, you need to have your head examined. You are a stone cold idiot, plain and simple. The fact is, if you serve Kekel, pastor for Kekel, send money to Kekel, or report to Kekel or Olson, you are a complete dummy. There is too much information out about these creeps for you to claim ignorance. You are out of your mind if you send money to Graham, and if you are paying tithe to any NTCC church, that is basically what you are doing.
If the NTCC church you are in, doesn't send money to Graham, then you need to ask yourself why they are still named NTCC?
If Jones, Mayers, and Hunt are still in the NTCC, they are nothing but pure unadulterated suckers. Jones would be the most quote, "educated" well spoken sucker alive. Mayers would be the most quote, "back in the day street smart" sucker alive. And Hunt??? He would be the most "yes man" "whatever Davis says" "suck up to Olson" sucker on the planet. Hey, I'm just being real.
If those guys are so blind, that they can't see through the whole Kekel double standard, GK catholic college flip, then they deserve to keep wasting their time and money continuing to fly the NTCC banner.
Again, Later.
Chief
My bad,
ReplyDeleteI was a recruiter in the Army and when we'd call seniors or grads you have very little success.
Door knocking is like a cold call, it's just inefficient marketing that causes damage to the product/company or whatever.
You need to recruit where you can built a relationship with the person.
I can honestly say I didn't win anyone to the lord by "Soul Winning".
I also got the feeling after a while that everyone on post at FT Campbell knew to stay off the streets and not answer the doors during soul winning. People we would track down who were walking about were trying to avoid us at all costs.
ReplyDeleteTotal damage to the cause. Of course now I know what the cause was so screw that.
Can't they be put off limits around posts? Seems to me they're into enough questionable stuff that they could easily be investigated... Or something.
ReplyDeleteJack
I talked to the Post Chaplain on Fort Benning and he said they are not supposed to "soul win" / proselytize on military installations. The MPs can be notified and the "soul winners" can be required to leave or even taken to the MP station if they persist.
ReplyDeleteYou know that NTCC folks are only advised to follow the rules that benefit them and keep them out of the spot light. Davis did not want the spot light. Of course they believe they are above the law quite often. That was the way we felt when I was in the NTCC. We were brainwashed into believing that we were doing "God" business and therefor periodically that took precedence over military rules made by "man". That certainly applied where soul winning was concerned. If the MPs told us to leave one area, we simply went to another area or stopped until the next week. For a period of time we were advised by our "pastor" to avoid one particular area until the "smoke cleared" so to speak. It happened before specifically on Fort Benning.
I've come to the conclusion that most people will leave one cult and simply go to another. Even if we stopped the NTCC there would be a 100 other religious con games to follow like HOP. The United States is FULL of cults / money grubbers masquerading as "Christians". There is no way you'll ever put these religious cults / con artists out of business. If you manage to get rid of one, 10 more will follow. That's why I stopped blogging for quite a long time. The harsh reality is, it's more or less pointless.
People jump out of the NTCC pot and often, right back in to another cult kettle. And just like the NTCC they are interested in one thing. The almighty dollar. Kekel was never interested in "holiness" and neither was Davis. That's why he didn't have much to say when the Kekels were openly breaking every NTCC holiness rule in the book. Because it wasn't about holiness. It was about control and money; bottom line. If you can control a person, you have control of their money and Davis knew that quite well and so does the Kekels.
With the Davis and Kekel family, it was NEVER, NEVER, NEVER about holiness. It was always about money and control because they are control FREAKS. If you don't understand control freaks and narcissists you'll NEVER, NEVER, NEVER understand the NTCC leadership. For that matter, you'll never understand Hitler, Hussein or any of the rest.
It's clear to me know but of course it wasn't always. Kekel is a con artist, no more, no less and so is Olson and so was Davis. No more, no less. So was Denis, so is Ashmore and so is Barnes. They haven't stopped dancing, they just changed partners.
Chief
By the way Jack. It's very difficult to get religious organizations investigated. No body wants to mess with them unless there is "current" proof of child molestation and the proof better be solid. Religious organizations are protected to the max and Davis figured that out a long time ago. That's why he always kept the seminary/seminary private. Davis didn't want anyone snooping around and finding things out. Text book cult. The real deal. The NTCC leadership has gotten away with more illegal stuff than you can even dream off in your wildest dreams and through it all, they still seem to be untouchable. Davis' con game trick money making business worked to quite effectively and it still does.
ReplyDeleteDavis was a real genius. Make no mistake.
That really pisses me off.
ReplyDeleteI remember them targeting the inprocessing centers where the scared new guys came in. You could get 10 guys a week out of that place.
ReplyDeleteI think if we continue to put pressure on this group it will continue to fracture in the middle. Pastors leaving is just as good as leadership leaving. Churches with members escaping is just as good as Pastors leaving. I believe the bright light on the leadership is what you are all doing correctly. I would have been able to leave after the Denis or Ashmore departure and not have to dealt with all this emotional baggage for the last 20 years. As it stands I'm angry about following these guys for as long as I did.
ReplyDeleteGood luck all
I understand. Totally. As it turns out, following those creeps happened to work out for me because of where I wound up living and working. It all worked out for me and my family in the end. Had Mayers not been a control monger freak hard guy, I would not have wound up in Columbus. Columbus turned into a real, real, real good deal for me and my family. A true blessing if I do say so.
ReplyDeleteSo in the end, having the courage and determination to leave a church and a guy who'd become a royal pain in the butt, was without exception the best move I ever made. Because the NTCC leadership advised me to leave the church in Atlanta and go to the NTCC church in Columbus, they unknowingly set me up for complete success. Good Lord, things worked out for me down here. Eventually I left the NTCC altogether here in Columbus Ga. The result was vast and tangible blessings that I couldn't possibly ever have dreamed in my wildest dreams which would come my way. I don't like getting into details online about the magnitude of my blessings, but the people who know me know my story.
Leave the NTCC and speak out against those crooks and don't be surprised if your life turns around totally in the right direction. I could be wrong but sometimes I'm convinced (because of all the wonderful things that have happened to me) that God has blessed me because I spoke out against the NTCC. There is no way to ever know for sure but if you knew my story, you'd TOTALLY understand why I say this. I really think God has opened doors for me because I diligently spoke out against the crooked NTCC who's leaders have harmed the lives of so many decent people who had good intentions.
Who knows, but what I do know is that I'm blessed to the max and my trip since leaving the NTCC is indeed a very unique one and I didn't con anyone out of money like the Kekels, Olson and Davis. Crooks prosper all the time, make no mistake. The world is full of rich thieves and con artists and Davis was one of them.
Wow! I haven't been on here in a long time and it's good to hear the news. We are still so glad we left NTCC, and do not regret it one bit!
ReplyDeleteIf you think cleaning the house of a millionaire, (Kekel) when his wife is too lazy and spoiled to do it herself, is what Christianity is all about, you are more lost then you were before the first time you heard the name Jesus ever mentioned.
ReplyDeleteYou are not blessed because you cleaned Kekel's house, you are cursed. You are gullible and naive and probably for all intense and purposes broke. You think it's a big deal to go into a nice house because you probably don't have one. Stop cleaning their houses and cars and stop giving them your money and you could have a nice house yourself. Smarten up. If someone suggested that I clean Kekel's house, I'd tell them to go jump in a lake in Buffalo New York in the middle of February.
I don't even know if the house cleaning still goes on but I do know it used to and the people who cleaned it bragged about it like it was some kind of privilege. That very fact is proof of just how twisted and spoiled the Kekel's are. Christians? Are you kidding me. If cleaning a millionaire's house is what Christianity is all about you can have it. I know better.
Dianna wrote...
ReplyDeleteIt's good to hear the news.
Chief wrote...
It's good for myself and others to tell the good news. The people who left the NTCC are, (from most accounts) doing great. Far better than we were while we were in the NTCC and that's an understatement.
Leaving was great in the end. I have a retirement from the Army and a good job with the Feds. I'm not a millionaire but I have a couple of vehicles and a brand new house in a nice area.
ReplyDeleteGood luck to everyone who has escaped and if you're thinking about jumping off the titanic now is the time. How many Board members have left? How many of their children have left? Grant himself is getting his groove on in a college you'd been scorned for letting your kids go to.
Jump and get on the lifeboat now!!!
Jack
Olsen's Daughter/Son in Law have left.
ReplyDeleteCurry has left
Ashmore has left
Denis started a church with the same doctrine as NTCC. He left to start the exact same scam.
I can't find more than 2 preachers I recognized from my time in the NTCC because they've been broken. Go to their website and look at all the pastors state by state. Devenshire is the only one I remember. I think Pastor Olivariz is still there as well. That's it though.
Where do they all go?
Guess what everyone?
ReplyDeleteI didn't spend 4 hours for morning service and another 3 hours for evening service today. I'm chilling on my couch looking over ESPN.COM.
I'm listening to Arctic Monkeys who have been the only good rock band of this decade.
It's getting warmer and I might start throwing the football with my kid today.
Enjoy your day NTCCer's. Because after you stuff your fat faces you'll get a nap and then pray, soul win, go to church, pray, go to bed and then do it all over again.
Enjoy.
PTSD ALERT:
ReplyDeletewatch the video of One Republic's Counting Stars. YOU WILL FREAK OUT!!! Do not watch it if you've just escaped the NTCC.
I went into convulsions watching that video. I officially hate One Republic.
ReplyDeleteIt would seem with all the sexual misconduct that a similar situation that's comparative to the Catholic Church should take place. Why no lawsuits? Those that endured so much abuse should come forward not on a blog but in front of a lawyer.
ReplyDeleteStarve the board of their money and the pastors, helpers, and congregants will fall away.
I agree. Don't really understand all the details. It's my understanding that some people did contact attorneys but I don't know for certain any details. In one case it's my understanding that the statutes of limitations was in effect. Much time had passed by. In Washington it's 1 and 3 years. I just looked it up.
ReplyDeleteIn many some cases these were little girls and they wouldn't have had the means to get an attorney especially if their parents were involved. This was definitely the case in at least two separate occasions with two separate girls from two different families. One was Warwick's daughter. The mother, Ms Slime Bag Warwick brushed it all under the carpet and Olson covered it all up. It happened with Davis. I believe the name of the victim was Pam Norton and the mother was Ms. Slime Bag Warwick. Someone correct me if I have the people wrong. I never knew these folks. Just read the testimonies. Pam came out about it a long time ago. To sum it up, she told Olson and he covered it up and told her to find another church. Olson is a slime ball. The real deal. As low as they get. Don't let him fool you. That guy is as dirty as garbage truck. Christian my butt. He's just a slime bag.
Olson covered for Davis' for years. They've all covered for each other. They are all dirty. Everyone, without exception. The ones who willfully elected not to look deeper into any of these situations are just as dirty. All this stuff has been written on not only this blog but others. Witnesses have come forward and the brainwashed just elect to ignore it all.
You have guys like Jones and Hunt who've for years just elected to ignore it all and simply explain it all away.
Chief,
ReplyDeleteI suspect the statute of limitations would cause a problem. However, cover ups and civil suits seem to be where people are nailing the Catholic church.
I might not get criminal charges to stick but if enough come forward you at the very least get the Bill Cosby effect (half full or less concert halls). Not to mention civil suits if not for the actual assaults then the organizations attempts to conceal. I'm not a lawyer by any means but to many deserve some kind of justice.
Mike
Exceptional job pointing out what a crazy comedy act this has all been. To think 4 years of my life... Good years are gone forever. I was convinced Davis was a modern day prophet only to see the people he put into power leave or split with churches and money. How they are able to retain anyone over this past decade is beyond me. Clearly the board does whatever it wants with the money it receives. I have a tough time believing there are any pastors in this country to include mega church pastors living this good of a life.
ReplyDeleteAbsolute power corrupts absolutely! Davis and Kekel are proof positive.
I have to wonder what Grant is majoring in... Psych? Admin? Theology?
ReplyDeleteJust remember, you all were failures if you sent your kid off to a college other than BS. Of course lots of you didn't get the joy of kids because you had your manhood snipped unlike who??? The Pastors Daughter and Son in Law.
Eventually you have to ask yourself... WTF?
Exactly. It's really too simple but the brainwashed elects to ignore all of that. He's probably going to get a law degree so he can run the NTCC. He can be the NTCC's own private attorney. Obviously this is pure speculation because the fact is I don't know what GK is majoring in. For the record, he's probably a pretty good guy. He had nothing to do with his mom and dad being con artists. They had him not visa versa. I don't blame him at all. He'll inherit the whole deal in the end and be a mega multi millionaire and all the NTCC suckers, (like I used to be) will have financed his everlasting flow of wealth.
ReplyDeleteRWD and Kekel made real good business decisions with all our money. It will never benefit us but it will sure benefit them. What better way to get rich, but off of other peoples hard earned money. Then throw the tax exempt status on top of that and you have a never ending flow of cash, compliments of a bunch of religious suckers who think it's their duty to fatten the pockets of a few prudent business men.
Religious leaders all across the word have been getting rich of their congregates for centuries. It's nothing new. You can't however find examples of the Apostles getting rich off of Christians back in their day.
Just don't ever forget. ALL CHRISTIANS Pay tithe and give gladly and freely in the offering. That's what Christianity is all about. And they pay tithe and give in the offerings so their leaders can purchase land and houses and Church buildings to rent to the church members and other ministers so the leaders can make even more money off the church folks.
And the Church said, Amen and amen. And don't forget. The Lord will honor your sacrifice which is why so many NTCC folks are essentially BROKE. Amen. Praise God. This my friends is the NTCC way. It's also Denis' way. Denis told me directly on the phone that the one thing that he'd never forget or regret was all that he learned from Davis. Money making 101. Barnes learned the same thing and so has Ashmore.
If you believe otherwise, you are a straight up dummy.
1 Tim
ReplyDeleteFor the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith
That's Davis, Kekel and all the rest of them con artists. The difference is, it's doubtful they ever had the faith because money and control is all it's ever been all about with the NTCC leadership.
"Oh but I got saved in the NTCC Brother". Really? Have you really? You've brought folks to the NTCC but have you really brought them to Christ? Love thy neighbor as thyself? Do unto others has you'd have them do unto you? Has that ever been the NTCC's way? I never saw it. Fattening the pockets of the Kekel's and being compelled to make your kids follow rules that the Kekel's kid never had to follow? Is that doing unto other as you'd have them do unto you? When you invited people to an NTCC church that's what you brough them into. Plain and simple.
ReplyDelete"Oh but brother, I paid tithe to MY NTCC church". Oh really? And where do you think much of that wound up? In the Kekel's back pocket and new furniture, fancy guns, big houses, expensive cars and the list goes on.
Ok, so you didn't rob the bank but you drove the get away car. You gave the money to the bank robbers so they could buy the guns used in the hold up so to speak. If you are right about God's judgment, (which you better hope you are not) this very blog will be used as a testament against you in the judgment day because what I'm writing is the truth.
Later. Bed time. Sweet dreams. I may be a lot of things but I'm not preaching one thing and living another like Davis and the Kekel's have been doing for years. Same with Olson and all the rest of those crooks.
Olson is the biggest crook of them all.
ReplyDeleteIt's easy to get saved. You can get saved in any church. I "got saved" in a baptist church. I really did, I prayed for salvation. You can get saved in any church that preaches salvation. The ntcc is the last place you should go if you want to stay saved. Even if you just want to be a better person or live a good moral life, the ntcc is the last place you should want to go.
ReplyDeleteThe ntcc is like a spiritual nut house. If there was a half-way house for the spiritually insane, the ntcc would be the place to go. They are about as dysfunctional as the Adams Family. They keep you medicated on their doctrine, and while you waste away they profit off of your insanity. Most people in the ntcc don't know if they are coming or going. They preach at the top of their lungs and mention hell 50 times during every service. Have you ever thought about why they do that? They are using fear to keep you there because they have no love or freedom to offer you. They have long since used up every ounce of love they have for you. The only love they have left is used to love bomb the new people and that practice has become so phony it's ridiculous.
They are depending on you remaining spiritually insane so they can profit from your illness. There is a huge industry of nut houses out there for people who lose their ability to think and make decisions for themselves. The ntcc will take you to the brink of losing your sanity all together if you stay in. This doesn't mean you are without hope, it just means you better take over the controls to your own life before your brain becomes too dependent on others making your decisions for you. I got sick of always asking for permission as a grown man to do things that have nothing to do with spirituality. Man, you people in the ntcc need to grow up and start thinking for yourselves. Just take a look at how they manipulate you and control your every action. You can't even miss a soul winning event without having them all up in your business. I feel sorry for that poor soul that you do finally convince to come to the ntcc cult meetings. Chances are they are already mixed up to a certain degree and when you introduce your fire breathing pastor to him or her, it's no wonder people end up in nut houses. I wonder how many X-members of the ntcc end up completely insane. You can't convince me that the ntcc is a healthy environment for anyone. Those people are a long way from being saved. They definitely don't practice what they preach.
I think the biggest indicator it's a cult is the idea that it's the last great movement on earth. That would mean 99.99% are going to hell.
ReplyDeleteIt made me feel special to know I was following an apostle. Come to find out he was more of a King/Dictator.
You'll feel confused for about a year, maybe longer depending how long you've been in but it's been so worth it to get out.
Mike
You know what ticks me off. Prince Grant sat at who knows how many services where granddaddy would preach against sports, vacations and whatever else. As he grew up why did he even ask if he could play sports? Why would he not go to Seminary? Because he's like everyone else at the top. Maybe he was a nice kid growing up but now he's BEEN groomed to do to those still in the NTCC what his father and grand father have done.
ReplyDeleteHe's a con because he was raised by con men and women.
You loser's still in will always have to deal with poverty, 24/7 work, no time with Family and on and on. There are some lovely pics out there of the nice graduation gown that the prince graduated in from CATHOLIC HIGHSCHOOL. Where did your kids have to go?
If I'd wasted my kids childhood I'd feel to guilty to leave, too embarrassed, to proud after seeing what Kekel has done with his kid that he wasn't supposed to have.
Wake up you sorry sacks!
Senior Pastor of my own life:
Mike
Chief,
ReplyDeleteKeep up the FIRE!!! Burn it all down!!! It's up to you and D/A to keep this going. Eventually when they become disgruntled they'll peak at this site and be blown away!!!
Thanks,
Senior Pastor of my own life
Mike
Mike, that's not it. Mike and Tanya didn't plan for Grant to go to the NTCS. The very Charles Wright Academy he attended is proof of that.
ReplyDeleteYears ago my wife was looking at the Charles Wright Academy website and she found a very interesting fact on the website. It stated something to this effect. "100% of all Charles Wright graduates continue with higher education after they graduate high school". I remember that vividly because that statement made a strong impression on both me and my wife.
100%. When we read that, my wife asked, "so I wonder if Grant will be the only graduate who doesn't follow that pattern"? I responded with, "I'm sure he's not going to go to the NTCS". And low and behold, sure enough he left to attend college elsewhere and not just elsewhere but at a Catholic college. The great whore as was suggest and preached about repeatedly by NTCC ministers openly during church service. The Catholic church.
My wife and I figured out that he was going to attend a quote, "secular" college before he ever graduated high school and we were right on the money. The evidence was all there. Wearing shorts to play basketball, Kekel himself going to a jazz festival, getting caught and admitting to it online, Grant playing football in high school and on and on and on.
Mike, it's not at all Grants fault. His parents raised him all along to do anything but attend the NTCS. I could care less what they say, the proof is in the pudding. And Davis supported it the whole entire time because with Davis and the Kekel's, it was NEVER, NEVER, NEVER about the whole holiness thing. That was just a ploy to keep specifically women in check or in their place because Davis was a stone cold chauvinist pig. Bottom line, end of story.
The whole women thing not working is not bible. I've proved that over and over again in writing on this blog. Keepers at home means to be a good house keeper, it does not mean that a woman can't work. Davis was full of crap and so is Mike Kekel and Olson is simply a piece of trash.
I find it odd that they did not continue ntcc day school for all the kids-12. I was there when it started at 2170 Forest, St Louis. Old RW would cry from the pulpit how sad it was that our kids had to attend worldly schools. So they started ntcc day school. Why didn't they have one on the Graham campus, with so many buildings? RW made such a passioned plea for it back in 1976. But soon as Tanya reached. 11th grade, and graduated early, they shut it down. Now looking back on it, I guess you all are right. To much spanking of kids would expose them later on, so I guess they didn't need that kind of scrutiny. Yet to me it showed inconsistency, after all the belly-aching pressure preaching that we HAD TO HAVE DAY SCHOOL.
ReplyDeleteI meant K thru 12...
DeleteGrant is not innocent. He knew what was preached and went against it in every aspect. He's no different than the average con man there now. When he returns to the church to help administer he'll get a mansion because they are all entitled little @#$@'s and can go to hell.
ReplyDeleteI'd have to disagree Anon. Of course you are entitled to your opinion but I really don't agree. Grant was a kid. He was not an adult responsible for his own decisions or actions. What kid wouldn't have played sports or worn shorts had they been allowed. Grant was a minor. What was he supposed to do? Tell his mom and dad that he was refusing to attend a private academy that cost NTCC tithe payers approximately $20,000 a year? We he supposed to refuse to play sports or have fun?
ReplyDeleteSports is fun. I love sports and sports is fun, that is if you have one single competitive bone in your body. So was the boy expected to refuse the fun that his parents clearly made available to him? Personally I don't think so at all. My son plays sports and he loves them. If I was still in the NTCC how could you possibly expect my son to refuse sports if I allowed him to play? None of that is Grants fault. Everything was handed to him on a platter and show me one kid, NTCC or not, who'd refuse all that stuff? The only "boy" who'd refuse would be some boy who was a book worm who loved to do nothing more than read or bake cookies. Most girls wouldn't refuse fun either. It just seems to me that more girls like to read than boys and I have a boy and a girl who've also had friends so I know at least a little about the subject.
You can't fault Grant. He was a child for Pete's sake. Haha. For Pete's sake. I like that. Just my opinion. You certainly are entitled to yours. No harm no foul. Any other takers on this subject? This is an open forum. The truth is I can barely blame anyone other than myself for me clearly being a sucker. I was a sucker, it is what it is. I help pay for Grants education. I got took plain and simple but I won't be filling the pockets of any more greedy preacher con artist religious chippy cheatin hucksters and swindlers. Haha.
Chief
What do you become if you hang around horse thieves?
ReplyDeleteWhat standards are kids held to who have parents in the public eye? The Bush kids for example.
Grant, if he comes back will be the same con artist his dad is. Did he not go to the church of his grandfather? Did he not hear what the prophet said on such things? Did he not see other kids being deprived of the same things he was taking advantage of?
If I were handed an empire on a silver platter that had blood on it I can't say I'd be tempted. I would hope I'd do the right thing though.
I think a lot of people dislike Grant because like it or not he was the poster child for double standards. Chief and so many others played by the rules when they raised their children. They obtained letters from their Pastors so that they could allow their children to dress up for gym in 19th century costumes like the Quakers and Amish. Tanya used to stay home from services and classes at the BS so that Grant could get his sleep while people like Ted and Jean Keys were given an ultimatum to drag young Teddy to every function or leave the Church. Both Ted and Jean were told to abandon each other but they ended up leaving together and their son was raised right.
ReplyDeleteWas it Grant's fault? Maybe not but I understand why people feel the way they do about him. A lot of Children are raised by rich and corrupt families and 99% of them will follow the money and end up a lot like their Fathers. It would be awful hard not to. Most of the kids in the ntcc don't have the Character or personality to stand up for what is right because these traits were never instilled in them. Many of them were whipped over and over again and the law was laid down. Grant was the exception. I doubt if that kid ever got whipped. If he did, they made up for it by spoiling him with everything he asked for and treating him better than the rest of ntcc parents were allowed to treat their children.
I understand both sides of this debate but it is what it is. Parents in the ntcc are taught to raise their children the same way that they are to be in subjection to those over them. In the ntcc it's a bunch of ultimatums. Parents must conform or their gone and they use the same ultimatums to keep their children in line. Choice has been pretty much done away with and as Chief said it's our own fault. Most people came out to church once and never came back. We decided to give these hucksters years of our lives. That's true. But we also thought that if we didn't conform we would burn. The ntcc would love for us to take 100% of the blame so they could be off the hook, but the fact that we are blogging against them is an acknowledgment that we know they are corrupt and that they are also to blame for much of what we have endured. The fact that they are wrong is irrefutable. It's outright wrong to teach people to give their hard earned money to them, using hell as an ultimatum, while they get filthy, filthy rich. We were duped, but they were the ones running the scam and they laughed all the way to the bank
They are indeed a bunch of chippy cheat, swindling hoodwinking hucksters. We can all agree upon that.
Yeah but here is the difference. You are an adult. He was a kid. Since when is kid going to say to his mom and dad, "I'm not attending that $20,000 private school DAD and you can't make me"!!! "I refuse to play sports DAD like you want me to"!!! "I'll go get my own place if you don't like it DAD!!!" He was a kid. Kids will get away with what you let them, bottom line. So maybe he will be back to the NTCC and be a crook con artist like his dad and grand dad and maybe he won't. Who knows but what I do know is that as a child he should not be held to the same standards as an adult.
ReplyDeleteIf children should be held to the same standards as an adult, then why don't the courts try them as adults in criminal cases? Do you advocate putting children in the same prisons as adults? Death penalty for children? For that matter, why not just take kids out of schools and make them get jobs like adults and fend for themselves? And at what age would you start that? As soon as they can put a fork up to their own mouths and feed themselves? So at 5 or 6 years old, hold them to the same standards as adults? What about 13 years old or 16 years old. Same standards as adults? No way man.
I could care less what preaching Grant listened to every week. Kids will do what you allow them to and it's just that simple. Children don't care about preaching. It's not their idea to sit in church all the time. Not only that, Mike Kekel stated plainly on his blog and it's also written here that the rules didn't apply to him and if they didn't apply to him, they certainly didn't apply to his child so there is no way Grant is wrong for playing sports or wearing shorts or watching television or playing video games on a "TV" or going off to further his education at a Catholic College.
The rules never applied to the Kekels and that's nothing new. So when I figured all this out I left the NTCC and dug deeper and found out more, A LOT MORE!!!!! We were duped into following con artists and it's just that simple. Grant didn't ask to be born into a family of con artists and I wouldn't expect him to disown them. They provided well for him. A lot better than a lot of other NTCC dummies did for their children.
When it became boldly apparent to me that the NTCC expected me to deprive my kids so Grant could have yet even more, I left the NTCC and have been blessed ever since. So if there are still parents in the NTCC living in poverty and depriving their kids, they are stupid and dumb. If there are parents (or anyone else) who is paying tithe to the NTCC, they are yet again stupid blind and ignorant. So good for Grant if he gets rich off a bunch of blind dummies. The US is full of them in churches all across the United States. Heck, I probably need to start a church and sucker a bunch of dummies into believing that they are going to die and go to hell if they don't give me tithes, offerings, special offerings, revival offerings, pledges, camp ground offerings, world missions offerings, and song book offerings.
I could live in a mansion and send my kid to a $20,000 private academy throughout his childhood that will cost my church members approx $200,000 from K-12. Sounds like a good plan. Then all I have to do is tell everyone that it they continue to pay tithes, (as unto the Lord) the good Lord is sure to bless them just like me and I can keep preaching that all the way to the bank just like Davis and Kekel have done for years.
Just make sure you keep paying tithes and giving in the offering you NTCCers and one day, God is sure to bless you just the same way he blessed Davis and Kekel.
The world is full of suckers just itching to give away their hard earned money to some con artist church leader and that's not going to stop.
Kids have a strong sense of what is right and what is wrong by the time they are 5. When he was in his teens he'd heard all the crap about corruption of sports, secular schools, the Catholic Church, Music, the list goes on. If he was five and doing wrong I'd understand but at 14,15,16... He's not a kid, he's a young adult who knows he's living by a different set of standards than others and he knows it's because of who his Grandpa and Father are. That is the first lesson in corruption and he had no problem with it. Look how God would deal with a family who had a father commit a sin... Stone the whole family... Get rid of any trace of their corrupted DNA.
ReplyDeleteChairman, CEO, Senior Pastor of my life.
Referring to old testament
ReplyDeleteYou know, if Grant doesn't come back to become a pastor, or a BS student or administrator what becomes of Kekel's reputation? Will Olson, who lost his Daughter and Son in Law wake up?
ReplyDeleteI hadn't had children when I was in but I'd be livid at what has happened.
Wow, so you believe in stoning the whole crew? So at the age of 5 your saying that Grant was supposed to tell his mom and dad what "he" was going to do or not do? So as a teen ager he was supposed to tell his mom and dad how he was going to live his life? Are you serious? Since when did children (under the age of 18) get the authority to make any real decisions concerning their life? So you are telling me that as a teenager you would have told your parents how you were going to live your life and if they didn't like it, too bad for them???
ReplyDeleteSo just stone the whole family, is that the answer? Dude, you might need to go join some radical middle eastern group or a different cult something if those are the kind of standards you expect to live by. You sound just as judgmental as those NTCC crooks you seem to despise. So tell me... Was Grant supposed to tell his mom and dad that he was refusing to attend Charles Wright and refusing to wear short or play sports? Explain how Grant was going to handle that whole situation.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteI know I for one am bitter to the core! Lost the faith and not sure if I'll ever find it again. I liked NTCC for one reason. They seemed to have the right answer and were certain of it. I'm attracted to people who are fierce and loyal to their belief system. I wasn't living the best of lives so I dove in only to get beat down worse than my prior situation. Now I have to hear how Davis, Kekel, and whom ever else has been getting away with Sexual misconduct. It's too much. These people need to go through the trials of Job to remotely call this even.
Do you smell that? Is something burning? Oh, my bad, it's just Davis' Soul!
What I'm saying, is that at 5 you have an idea of what right and wrong is. So long as you've been trained properly to some degree you'll know not to lie, cheat, steal those sorts of things. As a 15 year old who grew up KNOWING that it was wrong to do anything but attend BS he chose to attend a Catholic school which also is "of the devil" as all things Catholic are in the NTCC. When he was 15 he saw every other child in pants, dresses and the like yet when his father asked him "Do you wanna play football son, go ahead" he didn't think twice? Give me a break. Did he not hear the prophet say over and over that parents whose kids go to regular colleges were failures? Did he not hear over and over that sports and games were of the devil? Give me a break. I knew as a child it was wrong to use foul language but I did it anyways and by NTCC's standard I'd be a rebel who was of the devil. I don't give kids with solid examples of the life the're supposed to lead a pass because they're under the age of 18. When he comes back and gets a mansion and starts chewing out BS students let me know then what you think. Do I believe they should be stoned? No, just trying to make a point. Prison? Yes. Perp walked out of Sunday service? Yes.
ReplyDeleteHang around horse thieves and you become a horse thief.
Oh, I am extremely judgmental of pedophilia, Rape, theft, killing peoples spirit for living, and Hypocrisy.
ReplyDeleteAs for your lame question about "Since when did children get to control their lives"... Well then, I guess the prophet and Kekel must have been telling Grant "Just kidding Grant, none of this applies to you". A 15 year old would know something is amiss.
ANON Said "Wow, so you believe in stoning the whole crew?"
ReplyDeleteGlad to see you still checking this Blog Mike K.
Lame question? That was a very good and logical question which you still haven't answered. What was Grant supposed to do? Disown his own parents? Call them hypocrites? Tell them he wasn't interested in having fun? You are being unrealistic. Grant knew all along that none of that applied to him because Mike Kekel said none of that applied to him and he also made reference to some of it not even being biblical. Go 3 threads back and read Mike's statement which by the way was copied and pasted verbatim.
ReplyDeleteThose rules never applied to Grant and that's what you don't seem to understand. He also knew they never were going to apply to him. So once again, was he supposed to disown his own parents? If you say the answer is "yes" then you sound like RWD and if you say "no" that would only validate my whole feelings concerning Grant. It's not nearly as simple as you are making it out to be and that is all I'm saying. You are placing judgment on Grant and I'm telling you that Grant did make his decision when he was old enough and at a legal age to do so. He did what his parents wanted him to do and what he wanted to do and that was go to a real college. Catholic or not it's probably a real good college. For the record, I have no problem with quote, "secular" colleges. The only school that I have a major problem with is the NTCS and it's not a real school anyway because you get nothing tangible for completing classes there. It's a scam used for little more than to brainwash it's attendees.
Grant was not and is not in the wrong. He was a kid. You were way more in the wrong than he was for not (as an adult) questioning the NTCC leadership enough from the start because if you had, you and I wouldn't be even having this discussion. I was more in the wrong than Grant because as an ADULT I was the gullible sucker who was stupid enough to believe that Davis and his leader followers were anymore than trained con artists.
I took the NTCC bait hook line and sinker and Grant didn't and I don't blame him for that. Good for him. I'm not jealous. It's good he got out of that mess. Someone has to inherit all the money us suckers gave away and it certainly isn't going to be you or me. You going to blame my kid because my kid didn't go to the NTCS? My kid heard plenty of preaching. So is my kid in the wrong also? You heard all the preaching so why are you not still in the NTCC?
I'm not bitter to the core. Not at all. Recognizing a crook for what he is doesn't make me bitter. If a jury finds someone guilty of a crime, that doesn't make them bitter. Sure I can't stand religious hucksters but that doesn't make me bitter no more than punching a guy in the face for grabbing my daughter's breast would make me bitter. Bitterness has nothing to do with it in most cases.
ReplyDeleteWas Jesus bitter when he called the religious people of his day all kinds of different names? Was Jesus bitter when he flipped the tables over? The NTCC has people brainwashed into believing they are bitter. I don't like the NTCC leadership not one single bit but that doesn't make me one single bit bitter. It makes me real which is exactly what I was not while I was in the NTCC. I'm no longer brainwashed. I think with my own brain and logically reason things out and if they don't add up they don't add up. Anyone who uses their brain would realize that what the NTCC leadership has do for year simply doesn't add up. They don't realize that because they are brainwashed and they've at least temporarily lost the ability to effectively use their brain in a rational logical manner.
Nope, wasn't expecting him to disown parents but if I asked my son if he wanted to watch an r rated movie or god forbid an xxx film he's hesitate and ask why all of a sudden am I allowed to do this. In fact he's gone to his friends home's and told them he's not allowed to watch "bad movies". He knows it would be wrong and he wont do it.
ReplyDeleteIf Davis whom Grant grew up with is constantly preaching against the very things his parents are letting him now do I'd expect him to at least ask what is going on here? I thought this stuff was wrong? I thought I'd go to hell for this stuff. Kids as young as 5 understand hypocrisy. Kids as old as 14 would definitely know something is wrong. He is accountable for allowing things to happen. I would bet he wanted to play as much as his parents wanted him to play. Hucksters have no sense of shame though. Thus he played and didn't think twice about it.
I do apologize for getting worked up. I just want to see them all suffer for what they've done to people and I know they wont.
I was in the same spot you were 10 years ago. I heard Kekel was going to blue grass concerts and their son was going to some fancy school.
ReplyDeleteWhen I finally left I felt betrayed, alone, and lost. There wasn't much I didn't contemplate doing to get back at these losers. First take care of yourself and your family. Then find a way to have an outlet for your anger. You're not alone. I'm surprised there hasn't been a Columbine at one of their churches with the absolute devastation they've caused to families.
Keep your chin up and don't let the rats get you down.
I hear you Anon. Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one. That of course on this blog is perfectly fine. Doesn't make me right or you wrong or visa versa. I understand your feelings.
ReplyDeleteI'm also surprised that someone hasn't gone ham on one of those NTCC hucksters. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if it happened. You can't keep ruining lives and breaking up families and expect nothing to come of it. I understand also. I felt duped more so than betrayed or lost. I felt like a sucker. I knew that was something that I didn't want to feel again and I won't be feeling that again. I used to trust most "church folks". Now I don't hardly trust any church folks. The ones who are good folks are often deceived and brainwashed. Many of the leaders who think they are doing the right thing are often brainwashed, deceived and misinterpreting the Bible. Many deliberately misinterpret the Bible to suit their own agenda and it often revolves around a greed for money.
Pastors are often conceited and live a life of entitlement. They often think they are supposed to be served by others when they are supposed to be the ones serving. The Kekel's are perfect examples of that one.
There is one thing we can all agree on. The NTCC is a church full of a bunch of leaders who are double standard hypocrites. Chippy Cheatin Hucksters and Swindlers.
Sounds like a bunch of felonious criminals if you ask me. Con artist doesn't quite describe it correctly.
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ReplyDeleteSounds like a bunch of felonious criminals if you ask me.
Chief said...
That's probably a pretty good assessment.
Chief, this blog if nothing else is entertaining. Unfortunately the crap on here is true. You're lighting a fire that won't soon be put out.
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It can be entertaining for sure. I wouldn't be bothered by the NTCC if it weren't for the Serviceman's homes. I love the military and I love soldiers and serviceman and I hate what the NTCC does to them and their families and too many of them just don't see it.
ReplyDeletePlease military people, listen to me. Please. Don't give away a good military career to go up to Graham. Sooner or later, you are certain to regret it if you do but then, too often it will be too late. Not many of us ever get a second chance.
You said that right. Ralph St. Clair bailed on the Army after sixteen years, and he was always broke when I knew him and probably died poor. The NTCC couldn't wait four measly years for him to retire; "souls were dying and going to hell."
ReplyDeleteI don't feel too bad for Ralph. I feel bad for most military people who get caught up in the NTCC but old Ralph, (according to many accounts) had some serious issues to put it lightly. I do get your point though Vic. 16 years is whole lot of time to just toss down the toilet for the sake of being part of (what we know now) such a crook organization. I can't even imagine.
ReplyDeleteAs it turns out though Vic, being part of the NTCC actually worked out for me. It was either purely circumstantial or a direct blessing from the Lord, one or the other. If it wasn't for Mayers being a prick, I wouldn't have ever found myself here in Columbus. Columbus has turned out to be (in many respects) the biggest blessing in my life. Thanks Stanley for being a bully. It's because of Mayers being a loud mouth bully that my family and I are able to live the life that we do. Thanks for making our lives miserable and I actually mean that 100%. Who knows for sure but it certainly seems to me that (where my life is concerned) that Lord has worked in mysterious ways. Kind of like the story of Joseph in the old Testament. Everything worked out for him in the end as it most certainly has for me.
I think the Lord may have actually used Mayers to put me and my family in the right direction. When you stand up for what's right, sometimes you get rewarded. Whether that's the case with me or not, that belief works for me. When all was said and done, I stood up to all those NTCC pricks and let them know exactly how I felt about their crooked organization. Oberhauser was a misguided prick also who picked on old ladies like Sister Haynes. Boy it felt good to leave his church and the NTCC altogether. It also felt good to tell the Hunts how I felt about the NTCC when I saw them in the PX one day. R. Hunt said that pastor Davis admitted that he made mistakes and apologized for them.
What a joke. Davis ruined countless lives and that of many, many children and I'm supposed to buy off on some hollow lame apology designed for no other reason than to brainwash his church even further? Davis wasn't sorry, he just got exposed and had to give his church something to chew on and R. Hunt took his BS apology hook line and sinker. Davis ruined the childhoods of countless children just to slap us all in the face and gladly bless off on HIS grandson's departure to a catholic college. And this was after Davis boldly stated, that quote "you were a FAILURE" of a Christian parent if you child didn't attend the NTCS when they became an adult. Neither Davis or the Kekel's lived up to Davis' own stinking standards.
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ReplyDeleteIf Grant does come back to Daddies business would you guys here of it? I want to know if he's gone to the dark side.
ReplyDeleteFT CAMPBELL strategy... Go to the replacement center and ask privates to church. You can get up to 2-3 people every Thursday.
ReplyDeleteThey need to leave the Privates alone. Sorry bunch of hucksters. I can't stand them.
ReplyDeleteI have a Ft. Campbell strategy for them. Call the MPs on them and warn commanders about the New Testament Christian Cult and keep the MPs on the look out for those crooks.
Chief
HOOAHHHHH
ReplyDeletePrince Grant is the shining example of the BS doctrine these jackwads preach. Eventually they'll have to answer for this. Bring down the King Kekle and send his butt to jail.
ReplyDeleteKekel isn't going anywhere. He is going to have competition going forward though. Ashmore is going to take a decent portion with him over the next couple of years. As they leave NTCC they'll jump into his arms.
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