Health Care. What Kind Of Health Care Does The NTCC (INC) Provide It's Ministers?

Thread #63 With the passing of Senator Edward M. Kennedy, I felt that a fitting subject to discuss should be health care. I've never been a big fan of Edward Kennedy, however if you study his past you can not deny that the man has been a champion of health care reform. Senator Kennedy witnessed the need for U.S. health care reform while in the hospital with his ailing son. While witnessing the financial struggles and burdens of many people around him , Edward Kennedy realized that he was fortunate enough to pay for health care that many others could not afford. This realization challenged the man to do more in an attempt to improve health care than any other political figure on record. Because of his own experiences surrounding extremely severe illnesses with his son and daughter, the "liberal" Senator Kennedy had quite an interesting and admirable compassion for people in need of health care. Do so called "conservative" Christian leaders in the NTCC display the same sort of compassion? Many would contend and affirm that they do not.

RWD and his cronies have consistently and proudly stated that the NTCC is a business and should be run like a business. Pastors such as Mr. Hunt have openly stated while in church service, that they considered themselves "company men". Well if the NTCC is a company / corporation (which it is), and if the NTCC considered itself a business (which it does), then why has the NTCC never attempted to provide any kind of health care benefits for it's so called licensed ministers? I will tell you why people. Because the NTCC leadership only runs their church like a business when it benefits them, (the leadership).

My question is, how many people out in cyberspace have ever struggled to get good health care or even keep good health care insurance while serving as a minister or ministers family member with the NTCC? Does anyone else feel that the NTCC, as a corporation should offer at least some kind of health care benefits for it's licensed ministers? Every company that I have ever worked for since I've retired from the military has offered health care benefits without one exception. Is the NTCC a legitimate corporation or not (which I already know it is), and if it is why doesn't it care enough about it's ministers to offer some kind of health care benefits? I know the answer to that question as well. Because the only people that the NTCC leadership is truly interested in taking care of is the NTCC executive leadership. RWD, Kekel, Olson, Kinson, Ashmore are the ones who get taken care of in the NTCC. The vast majority of remaining ministers by far simply have to fend for themselves.

I worked at a Toyota Store and of course the owner received a whole lot more money than I did but the owner also offered health care benefits to all his employees. The dental coverage that he offered was excellent and I took full advantage of it. I get health care with my military retirement but I receive absolutely NO dental care so I am thankful to have worked for three corporations who offered good dental care benefits. Does the NTCC INC offer such benefits?

You work for the NTCC don't you? If you say you don't but rather you work for God, then why do you send any money to Graham? RWD supposedly puts money in some kind of general tithe fund so why don't you put your money in your local church general tithe fund instead of sending it to Graham? Is it a business or is it not. Please answer the question. Why does the NTCC control your escrow accounts? Oh I understand now. It's a business when it benefits the NTCC but it is not a business when you need health or dental care. I see how it works. Once again Old Jeff is just finding fault; really?

Boy is that some kind of business / corporation. Where health care is concerned, the NTCC wants to act like a common everyday church on the corner but where RWD's and Kekels wallets are concerned, the NTCC wants to act like a business and has stated as such all along. For that reason and many others that I would rather not be a part of the NTCC. If I am totally responsible for taking care of my own family, I'm certainly not going to be taking care of Kekels at the same time. I would that the NTCC hadn't got one dime from me but they certainly won't get another one.

Jeff

This Is Good Information!

Thread #62
There are certainly some crooked people in the NTCC. This is a picture of RWD, Olson, and Kekel with his guitar. I don't know who the little dude at the bottom is? I didn't want this information tucked away in a thread with 166 posts. This is the true nature of the NTCC. Here is what you didn't know and were afraid to ask. This is the Atom Bomb of all exNTCCer threads and you can only find it on, "New Testament Christian Church, The Real Story", brought to you exclusively by the Chief Meister.

Jeff

Why Do NTCC Ministers Regualarly Attempt To Defame People Who Have Left The NTCC?

Thread #61
I see the importance of addressing this topic for a variety of reasons. First I think it is necessary for people to understand the mindset of an NTCC minister who regularly practices slander as a means of justifying his position. Second I think it is important to learn and understand methods that can be used to "limit" the degree that NTCC ministers are able to take your own personal information and use it against you.

NTCC pastors inherently, by virtue of their position, are interested in doing whatever is necessary to protect their reputation even if it means slandering their previous associates. NTCC pastors have learned that if they can thoroughly discredit "all" people who have left their church, then the pastor can effectively take all the attention away from his own shortcomings. NTCC pastors have proven to be brutally malicious at this approach. Additionally NTCC pastors claim that their departed church members use the same technique against them in an attempt to cover up their sins. This is sometimes true however it is certainly sometimes false. Make no mistake; in the NTCC, sins have proven to be relative anyway.

The NTCC pastors are notorious for never wanting to admit their own sins while simultaneously taking every opportunity to highlight what they perceive to be the sins of others. If an individual does not understand the nature of NTCC pastors, he or she will fall victim to the NTCC pastors brutal slander and smear techniques every time.

First lesson: As much as you want to trust your NTCC pastor and rightfully you should be able to, DON'T. NTCC pastors have proven that they can not be trusted to keep your private information private. They regularly violate their code of confidentiality when they feel it benefits their position. Don't ever tell NTCC pastors about your private affairs. Family affairs, financial affairs, social affairs and especially marital affairs and such like should be kept to yourself. You will save yourself a big headache and many regrets if you take my advise on this one. NTCC pastors may provide effective assistance temporarily, but if you ever leave their church they are notorious for using your private information against you in order to slander you while trying save face.

Second lesson: Don't let an NTCC pastor in your house. He will scan your dwelling place for items that he can use as preaching topics to be used against you in his next message. Many NTCC pastors won't allow you in their house and you shouldn't allow them in yours. Do yourself a favor and have all conversations with NTCC pastors at the door! Don't laugh at this one becasue I know what I am talking about.

Third lesson: If and when you decide to leave the NTCC don't ever give your NTCC pastor a reason for why you are leaving. They all will take your reasons and twist them to support their stance as to why they were in no way responsible for your departure. The only reason they want to know why you are leaving their church is to cover themselves when questioned by their seniors. When they ask you why you are leaving you simply say that your mind is made up and that is the end of the story, PERIOD! Trust me, you don't want to get wishy washy on this one because you will regret it if you do.

Forth lesson: You do not tell your NTCC pastor what you do on your personal time. If you want to go on vacation or go visit family or go to the fair, that is not his business. He will use it against you while stating that you are a compromiser and then say that you never wanted to serve God in the first place when you leave his church. If you let your NTCC pastor control your life he will jump on the opportunity hook, line and sinker and you will never get him off. Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't even let an NTCC pastor know that I was leaving town. What you do on you free time is none of his business unless you make it his business. When he realizes that you don't plan to make your personal life his business he will back off or if he doesn't you simply need to leave his church.

You can ignore the advise I have written but I promise that If you do, soon or later you will regret it. Words to the wise.

Jeff

NTCC Folks Creating New Blogs

Thread #60
New blogs created by NTCC people are popping up like weeds all over the Internet which is amazing in itself because no more than 7 years ago the Internet was called the devilnet and the sinnernet by many NTCC ministers to include RWD. So I guess that God finally got on line with computers? Either that or RWD wasn't always inspired by God like he claimed. I strongly suspect it was the second. One of the most recent blogs has been created by an NTCC pastor by the name of Briggs for the express purpose of trying to convince exNTCCers to leave the NTCC alone once and for all. It is no more than a psychological ploy to encourage us exNTCCers to simply move on with our lives and forget that life in the NTCC ever existed. Let bygones be bygones, right? Did the Jews forget that 6 million of their people were slaughtered by the Nazi's during WWII? Do you think they just moved on? If someone murders one of your family members do you simply forget about it, make amends and turn the other cheek? Of course not.

Well I'm not going anywhere. The NTCC has thoroughly messed up the live of thousands of folks with their sinister tricks, psychological manipulation, financial extortion, abusive preaching and teaching tactics, craftily created marriage counselling designed to cause divorce, and outright lack of concern and consideration for their fellow man; all for the purpose of furthering the advancement of nepotism for monetary gain. There is "NOTHING" genuine or sincere about the information contained on the blog in question. The agenda is clear. To suppress the voices of the dissidents. PERIOD.

Well our voices are necessary. Many of us have moved far past the fear and the possibility of being intimidated by NTCC ministers. My mission is clear which is to find folks who are not afraid to write of their experience while with the NTCC. This is important because there are still NTCC people who are trapped by the NTCCs manipulative practices. Many of these people draw enough strength to leave the NTCC behind when they realize others have experienced the exact same treatment they are currently experiencing. They draw strength when they see that we fearlessly express our disgust for the NTCCs abuse with absolutely no negative ramifications coming against us.

Don't by off on this, "can we all just get along garbage". "Why don't we just let bygones be bygones"? Because that's garbage. They weren't preaching that trash when they were smearing and discrediting our names and reputations the minute that we left the NTCC. The days of NTCC folks manipulating and controlling me are over, so no; we all can't just get along. As long as you NTCC guys refuse to admit to the double standards and widespread abuse, I refuse to stop exposing you for exactly what you are; religious Pharisee style hypocrites.

Jeff

I Just Replaced My Thread Numbering System With A "Recent Comments" Section Over To The Right

Thread #59

It's quite simple. It shows the 15 most recent comments throughout all the threads. You click on the comment that you are interested in reading and it directs you to the thread. Then of course you must go to the bottom of the thread because it will be either the last or one of the last comments. This is obviously easier than my prehistoric thread numbering system. I guess that is why the calculator replaced the counter device illustrated in the picture to the left. So much for my thread numbering system. There is about a one to two hour delay before your messages hit the "recent comment list".

Jeff

Hodge-podge

Thread #58 The previous thread got so long that it started a second page. It's become too long to effectively read. Actually that probably happened about 150 posts back. It got hot an heavy quite rapidly so I let it continue, but it is time to start a new one. I see no need to title a new topic. Folks don't seem to have a problem finding things to post these days.

Who does this picture remind you of?

Jeff

Post What Ever You Want As Long As It Doesn't Deal With The Topic Of "Fear"

Thread #57
I was asked to start a new thread. The sky is the limit.

Jeff

Folks Are Running Scared

Thread #56 It's nice to be able to "freely" post here at all without being concerned about some NTCC creep turning us in to RWD. I could care less what RWD or anyone else in the NTCC thinks about me. NTCC pastors generally, are of very low character, (with some exceptions) so it disgusts me that I was ever interested in pleasing them in the first place. Well those days are over. Kinson and Kekel have been doing pretty much what they wanted to do all along with no real concern about retribution from the leadership and they are in the NTCC. How much less should I be concerned now that I am out? Of course everyone knows I'm not concerned but I figured that I would throw that out there just the same.

I have talked to exNTCC folks who are actually worried for their safety if they were to talk about the NTCC. As a result they sometimes post but anonymously. NTCC folks are worried about retribution from the leadership so as a result they also post anonymously. The NTCC has some exNTCC people so shell shocked that they are worried about some NTCC nut coming after them. I talked to Vic Johanson last night, (who I proudly proclaim to be my friend) and neither Vic or I could care less who knows that we speak against the NTCC. Unfortunately the NTCC does have a history of breeding nuts. Some stay with the NTCC and some leave so as a result both sides are paranoid. An NTCC preacher told me just yesterday that he has someone bring a gun to church just in case an exNTCC church member decides to show up and go postal or something. Both sides (the exNTCCer and the NTCCers) are running scared. So much for the peace of Christ? You have exNTCCers worried about an NTCCer coming after them and you have NTCCers worried about exNTCCers coming after them. How absurd. You couldn't pay me to become a part of the NTCC again. I just preach against the NTCC now.

Oh wait a minute, what I am doing is not preaching? Here is a definition that I found: to advocate or inculcate (religious or moral truth, right conduct, etc.) in speech or writing.

I inculcate the moral truth here in writing, so therefor I am preaching. Can I get an Amen? Ha, ha. LOL

Jeff

PS: NTCC preachers are running around with more guns than the LA PD. Don't even preach about faith in God you bunch of hypocrites. Your faith is in your gun but if you want to know the truth, I really don't blame you. If I didn't have a true relationship with God my faith would be in my gun also. I don't remember reading about Elijah running around with a weapon. God was his weapon. James, John or Paul didn't have one either. Not once they started following Jesus. Jesus didn't carry a weapon for that matter. These NTCC guys aren't as interested in being as much like Jesus as they say they are. That is why these NTCC preachers start tripping about money every time the funds stop coming in. They loose their faith and they start going crazy on their church members for more money. I've seen it happen time and time and time again. The NTCC is a big joke. Amen, preach Bro Jeff. Can I get an Amen.

What Direction Are You Heading? Allow Yourself To Think About It!

Thread #55 Below is an excellent message that was written by pdq. I clearly understand that it is time for many NTCC folks to wake up and realize the direction that their life is heading. It will be a sad edict to wake up at 65 or 70 and realize that you have totally waisted your entire life. You better think about it because time is ticking, tick, tick, tick. I can imagine you telling God, "God I thought I was following you?" Only to hear God respond, "I'm sorry but you were deceived".

Jeff said...

The NTCC likes to state that "the road to hell is paved by good intentions." It's not often that I agree with the NTCC ministers because they have been blindly taught by RWD to be master manipulators, however the above statement seems to be quite valid. I am convinced beyond all doubt that RWD, Olson and Kekel have their people deceived. You ask how I am so sure? Because of the responses that I get from NTCC folks on this very blog!!!!! I am convinced beyond all doubt that the vast majority of NTCC folks have forfeited their ability to use good judgement, think on their own, think logically, while sincerely and objectively analysing RWD and Kekel's true intentions. They simply don't have the ability to do it. They could recover that ability, but only under one condition; they must want to. As long as they don't want to see the bare truth about the NTCC, they never will. Some folks prefer darkness over light and they would rather believe a lie than receive the truth by admitting to themselves that they have been hoodwinked by RWD, Olson and Kekel all along. That can be a very hard pill to swallow; I know as well as anyone!

Without further ado, pdq wrote...

I had a plan for my life before NTCC. The plan is still there, but a person only gets one shot at life, to make what they can out of it, and do all the good they can while it lasts.

I spent almost 20 years of my mortal life in NTCC being worse than an infidel. If I live to 80, this is almost one fourth. I could have died lost in sin.

Like you Jeff, I have not allowed my time in NTCC to debilitate me. I owe it to God—and my family, present (my NTCC friends have all forsaken me) and future friends (so I won’t be a burden to them)—to maintain my motivation (and drive to succeed in reversing the damage) high, and to keep my attitude right so I can avail myself of all the opportunities God has been presenting me with. The iron is now hot and I must strike while I still have my health and some youth left.

For the NTCCer, as they approach the end of their days, when they have stayed in NTCC long enough for it to be too late for them to reverse the deprivation, they will have nothing. In most cases no children to help them when they are old, no substance to help themselves when they are old, no friends that can help them (because they are in the same boat), a church that does nothing substantive or lasting for them, multiple marriages in their wake, poor health, bad teeth, no home, junky car, no more opportunities...no hope. Lonely, alone, scared, and seething from their wasted life and missed opportunities.

Public assistance, national health care, food banks, thrift stores, public transportation, unhealthy food, et cetera, will be their lot. Will there even be any Social Security in another few years? What will the Ministers that opted out of Social Security do? The husband may be able to go to the VA but the wife likely won’t (if she is not prior service). If a person manages to save $50,000 by the time they are too old to make any more money (or Pastor), this will yield $1,000 per month for 4 years and 2 months.

The NTCC life is a life of missed opportunities, shattered dreams, and squandered substance; the owner of which the Bible classifies as worse than an infidel. Since they won’t be able to reverse this they are condemned to dying as an infidel (worse). They didn’t take care of their family, themselves, sinned against knowledge, their own better judgment, will be held accountable, and can only rightly blame their own self.

God has delivered me from my NTCC life of NTCC compromises, NTCC misdirection, NTCC sleight-of-hand, NTCC double standard, NTCC’s bad example, and never fulfilled NTCC promises of God’s blessing just around the next corner. I have been given another chance, and for this I am grateful to God. A chance that was impossible for me to take advantage of until I pried NTCC’s hands of avarice from my life; which I also allowed to attach to my family, potential, substance. Chances no one can take advantage of while a part of NTCC.

pdq (who morns for those in NTCC)