I thought it was interesting how this hit counters recent visitors map suddenly shifted from all over the U.S. to a much more centralized region somewhere around the middle Missouri area. Imagine that. Couldn't be because of conference hey? I just can't imagine that many NTCC folks essentially betraying Mike and the good old org just to read my ex-er hater blog. It certainly would seem to be the case if you've followed my good old hit counter. Maybe Mike and old RWD don't have quite the grip on those folks that they'd prefer? I wonder how many folks Mike and RWD ran off this conference? There has been a little pressure on the org with the Shunks starting a blog and the reporter hanging around.
Come on. You've got to admit that it is a weird mind set for all these guys who are trying to marry off their teen age daughters to do no more than live a life of poverty and struggle. Folks need to stop trying to be so spiritual and see things for what they really are. The NTCC has got you duped. My daughter is going to college. Do you think Mikes son will be doing any different? Time will tell won't it. I may very well be wrong but based on the Kekels history I somehow doubt it. Can you blame them? I may not care for Mike but he ain't no dummy. You think he is going to send his son through the NTCS? If he does he will sure prove me wrong but I highly doubt it.
It's probably going to go something like this. Someone is going to come on any number of different blogs and complain about how Kekel's son is attending a secular college after they were guilt tripped into sending their child through the NTCS. Then Mike is going to start a thread about folks not "listening" and misinterpreting what RWD has been putting out for years. Then he'll say he prayed about it and it seemed good to the Lord that GK attend Duke or Yale or a Military Academy or something like that. Then he will say that everyone else who "thought" their child had to attend the NTCS were no more than a bunch of knot heads.
Jeff
I can remember my last couple of conference's. It got to be more and more fake. The one's at the conference was fake. Folks just going through the motions.
ReplyDeleteThose ladies standing up against the wall,looking out at everyone. As if there REALLY praying. Men walking in circles and more circles. They are just soo spiritual. Then you got the JUMPING up and down during service. Where the front of the room looks like a rock and roll mosh pit! Swinging each other around,and that was supposed to be dancing in the Lord. Like David davnced. Guess what folks he was not bobbing up and down like a pogo stick! Women swaying there big hips back and forth. All there bobby pins come flying out. Sweat just rolling off of them.
That is called working the crowd. Getting folks all stirred up, Then tell them that the Holy Spirit is moving in the service. That Jesus is in our presence! JARGON,BRAINWASHING tactics. Guess what those LAME jokes are NOT FUNNY! AT ALL!
Why,because they have nothing to preach about. Sure your hearing about how horrible the computer can be a tool of the devil. That Facebook and Myspace,ya'll should really just get off that evil place. And why do you folks have friends on your FB that are EXERS. We don't have a name. We are just HATERS or EXERS!
So you sit on those horrible metal chairs for Over three hours. Pretending to hang onto every word whoever is teaching. SOOO relieved when prayer is said. And you can hurry to the vechile and get something to eat,take your children out of that room. So they can get some fresh air,run around,and go PEEEEE!
You become more disechanted as each day goes by. You see how fake it all is. And you wish you could just hurry up and leave. You may have used to have hurried to that fellowship hall. Where they gounge you for even more money. For Fattening food and soda!! Now you leave after evening service and go back to your hotel. PEACE and QUIET is at the hotel room.
Since conference's are now optional. Might as well not even come for the next one. Spend all that money and what do you get in return. Learn anything new,enlightened,enrichment going on? Nope,same old Jargon being shared. Keep up the work. But your all just a bunch of losers. Look at those numbers,your no leader. When you get a sucessful work going then we will send you a helper. Not UNTIL then! So get back to the work,with just you and your wife. and a few kids. Try and do all the work yourselve's! Boy what a uplifting message they sure do bring,don't they!
Aren't you glad that you took money from bills that needed to be paid to travel to this conference! Money that could have been used in your own household. Since your paying for all the church needs out of one income, While rw davis,Mike K. live high off the hog. and no they did not earn it. Especially Mike K. did not earn it. Wasting Gods money is what there doing!
Come next conference. That fog will have been lifted that much more. As your eyes and brain is really able to think. God will get your attention. Show you exactly what ntcc is all about. And no amount of double talk that comes from Mike K. as he tries to do his damage control campaign will help! Once you can see the truth. You know that you have to leave this Organization. It is not what they say they are.
CM
CM,
ReplyDeleteYou hit the nail on the head! You and I (and everyone else in ntcc) know just what a hardship it was to go to a conference. Not only did you have to find the money to go (which almost always meant not paying the rent, or your bills, or sleeping in your car because you couldn't afford a motel), but you lost a weeks pay, and sometimes lost your job. All on ONE income, because the wife can't work-- period! And you had to travel 2-3 days in a used car (or rent one you couldn't afford), plus gas, to make it to Missouri and back (2400 miles round trip from Washington).
And what did we get in return? Davis,olson and Kekel preaching to us and telling us what a bunch of losers we were, and how we didn't sacrifice enough (like they would ever know what that was), and we weren't leaders, because we never had money and weren't building our churches fast enough (with our OWN money---- on ONE income!). So you spend a ton of money you don't have, lose a week or more's pay, put a ton of miles on your used car, and have bill collectors breathing down your neck, and you're stressed to the max--all to get yelled at torn down. How spiritual!
Now they say it is voluntary to go, BUT for 20 years it was, "You go to Missouri or else we'll yank your ministers license and tell everyone from the pulpit what a sorry person you are." But, if you DON'T go (mandatory or not), you will be marked as someone who is NOT faithful enough to the program, and the leaders will think bad about you. So what do you do? You make yourself go-- not because you want to, but because of the fallout you'll get from the leaders if you don't. It's a vicious cycle, and the leaders don't care if you go hungry, don't have a palce to live, or you suffer untold stress and hardship-- BUT you'd better be faithful to ntcc-- or else!!
if you're still in ntcc-- RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
AXP (another ex-preacher)
Something ntcc LOVES to use."I could see them having problems with God. Had heart problems,wasn't truely saved,could see that coming(them leaving). AS IF they knew why we left they would have to CHANGE there ways. So they brush it all under the rug. Make US look like the bad guys. We are such HATERS,bitter people.
ReplyDeleteWhat really happens. As each year goes by. God continues to try and get our attention. We all get those nagging thoughts. Something is not right here. But we push it down. Afraid that we will have to acknowledge those thoughts. Then what,leave ntcc. Gasp,then if I do that,i am leaving God right! Some would want you to believe that.
You continue to sit in those service's. Keep getting bashed over the head,berated,brought down. You continue to go to conference's that put you EVEN further in debt!
Until slowly that fog begins to lift. Your brain starts to function again. Your don't just follow the jargon that is spewed to you. For some it is quick,others takes a bit for everything to be crystal clear! Then it is BAMB,you have to get out of this Organization. Something is not right,at the time you can't put your finger on it. UNTIL you begin to hear more testimonies of others that have left. Hear there horror stories. Go on ntccXposed and truley open your mind up. Realize you have been in a organization full of False teachers. Yes,we all made that mistake. Got Had! But one thing you can do. Is ESCAPE! Get out! God is there waiting for you! Is amazing how much closer I am to God then when I was in ntcc. Not letting a Man control my choice's,life,kids,ect.
Another thing. If you choose after ntcc. To attend a Church. It is also Amazing how Fresh,alive Gods word is. When your not having it bashed over your head,damnation to Hell,women are gossiping busy bodies,bible college students are stupid ninnies,ministers your never going to get your work off the ground,on and on and on. You can now sit and Enjoy a church service. Instead of coming out depressed. and PRETENDING to be happy. You will truely be happy and refreshed,alive! Actually go to Church because YOU WANT TO. Read your BIBLe because YOU WANT TO. Live for God,BECAUSE YOU WANT TO!
So if you hear it,oh I knew they would leave a long time ago. It is a bunch of crap. they had NO IDEA. Look at rw davis and HOP. He had no clue,is what he said! So how would they know if a lowly peon minister was going to leave. When they had no idea about Dennis!!!
CM
wow - AXP and CM are gettin' it done. You both said so much that makes so much sense.
ReplyDeleteCM I like the part about not being able to put your finger on it [what's wrong with ntcc] until you start reading what other people went through.
AXP your post just flowed smooth and clear.
Hopefully someone on the fence will see they are hearing God's voice drawing them out of an abusive destructive scene.
Think about this: GOD IS LOVE!
What love do you get from ntcc? Bash, bash, bash.
ntcc 'staff' are the biggest fault-finders on God's green earth! They are just so suspicious and paranoid of everyone and everything. They are seriously possessed of a spirit of fear (and a few other bad things).
They abused their "us versus them" mentality so long that now they are such victims in their minds, the so-called persecuted church. What a sad sad joke. Nobody is burning churches or Christians in America.
ntcc thinks if tanya breaks a nail (or wind) that constitutes persecution!
What idiots.
Someone leaving a church to go somewhere else should never be the problem that ntcc makes it out to be.
That alone shows what a cult the ntcc is. They own you. Take back your power, leave ntcc, and serve God; not men who have greedy ulterior motives!
"...plus gas, to make it to Missouri and back (2400 miles round trip from Washington)."
ReplyDeleteOh, wouldn't that have been nice! But wait--it's 2,400 miles ONE WAY! Not much fun to do that in two days, but hey, we weren't part of NTCC's leisure class, and had to get back to work so we could make more money for our overlords.
There have been a number of car accidents on these hazardous journeys, which prompted RW to berate us for trying to push it like that. It was about as encouraging as Pharoah telling the Israelites to gather their own straw to make brick--I don't know what pool of money he thought we were going to access to enable such dawdling. Very few had enough paid vacation to cover these excursions, so every extra minute represented hemorrhaging finances and deeper debt. But we didn't even get "be ye warmed and filled;" no, we "had as much money as we wanted to have," and "if you're broke, it's because you spent your money." No shock, Rodger dodger, you old codger--we spent it on getting to the brainwashing sessions you mandated in order to massage your massive Super-Apostle ego.
I bet I drove 100,000 miles to conferences. Sometimes from Alaska. Now that's a road trip! But hey, the alternative of eternal torment in a lake of sulfurous fire didn't leave us much choice, did it?
Wonder how conference went this year? Any reports?
Vic said...
ReplyDeleteWonder how conference went this year? Any reports?
Jeff said...
Not yet. I'm quite confident that conference this year involved a good plowing directed at facebook participants and would-be bloggers. I have been told that some folks have already taken down their facebook accounts. Old Mikey still has somewhat of a grip but it is gradually slipping.
I will be glad to learn of the day when Tanya has to actually clean her own house. Either that or pay a real maid. I hope the church members and students eventually wise up and put a stop to that utter mess. That is such a thorough abuse and misuse of personnel that it is mind boggling. Having your church members clean your dirty laundry and house is one of the most compelling signs that point to the existence of a real-deal cult.
Jeff
Vic,
ReplyDeleteYou're absolutely correct-- it IS 2400 miles!! (or 2000 if you know a shortcut).
But hey, if we weren't squandering our money trying to survive, we'd have plenty of money for the "special offering" they seem to take up every conference-- and then read what everyone gave publicly over the pulpit. What a bunch of greedy slavedrivers.
AXP
Another Ex Preacher (AXP) wrote...
ReplyDelete"and then read what everyone gave publicly over the pulpit."
Jeff said...
Exactly. I also witnessed this occurrence during conference. I didn't see that practice for what it was then but I do now.
The reason they do this is to compel folks to consider the greater amounts given in an attempt to subconsciously persuade them to give the same or "MORE". When it is heard that people go "OOOH and AAAW" the idea is to persuade folks to desire to receive the same recognition.
It is purely a psychological manipulation tactic used to get more money. Nothing more and nothing less. RWD is a master at this kind of stuff. There is NO other reason to publicly announce such information. Can't you NTCC folks see what is so plain to us ex-ers now? Just think about it. What I'm saying is valid and on the money; no pun intended.
The fact that the NTCC leaders always accuse folks of being "all about money" clearly shows that they are all about money. The idea with this one is to get a person to internally relinquish the desire for money and as a result compel them to give much of it to the organization.
ReplyDeleteThis is what the NTCC manipulators are doing and saying.
"Brother you shouldn't love money and to PROVE that you don't, give it away liberality to us".
"This will prove that you've gotten past that spiritual hurdle". "Oh but by the way, you've got to keep giving lest you slip back into the same trap".
And the NTCC leadership does the same thing over and over and over resulting in a perpetual cash flow. They don't want or advocate giving to the true needy. They only advocate giving to their org under the pretense that you are quote "giving to God".
And you see now, the NTCC leader reading this message will say, "Collins is always worried about money and that is what he is all about", and in saying that, such an individual is persuading you to give up yours because if you don't you will be accused of the same.
These guys thrive on figuring out new ways and repeating different ways of compelling you to part with your hard earned cash.
I'm not the one all about money because I'm not the one who is trying to get you to part with yours while giving it to me. I don't think I could bring myself to "USE" a church in such a fashion. Why else would RWD announce such information publicly during conference?
If folks would pull their heads out of their spiritual forth point of contract they would see what I'm saying is legit.
RWD has figured that he can't con a con artist but he can con good natured, unsuspecting church members into essentially giving up everything they have. According to the Bible the practice of giving up everything can be justified but the problem with the NTCC is, why haven't RWD and Kekel done the same?
They claim it's because they've "attained" levels spiritually that equip them to handle having such amounts of money while at the same time suggesting that such amounts of would destroy you. In doing this they convince you to give much of yours to them i.e. their org. That's right, "THEIR ORG"!!!
Who is the last NTCC minister who's name is on the title of one single church building that he's worked so hard to have purchased? NOT ONE!!! I'm like RWD! You read that right and I meant what I wrote in this respect. If I'm going to work and slave and build churches, they are going to belong to me and or "MY" org and I'm going to have control of them. What I'm saying here is I'm not going to do all that work so that in the end, I have ABSOLUTELY no control over the fruits of my own labor. Can't you folks see that's exactly why RWD started his "OWN" ORGANIZATION????
Oh it not RWD's? When is the last time you decided what building the org was going to purchase while putting your name on the contract? Never! When is the last time you had total control of the escrow account you worked so hard to build?
It's diabolical but at the same time borderline genius. If I didn't have a conscience I might consider trying the same thing. RWD and all these other "prosperity preachers" have proven that it works. That is why they are filthy rich and you basically broke, certainly in comparison.
To keep their money coming in they basically must convince you that you don't need yours because it is a spiritual hindrance to you.
Jeff
I can remember plenty of those attemps to GUILT you into getting off the internet. Or attacking you,give you a guilty concious about owning a computer. And RW was JUST SHARING his opinion OVER THE PULPIT! Why can churches not talk politics over the pulpit? To much persuasion and influence from what people see as the man of Gawd! So what is the difference when that same man gets up and shares his OWN thoughts on computers,cats,dogs,taste in furniture,what constitues a good suit,drops brand names all the time, on and on and on!!!
ReplyDeleteWhat is that going to do with him up there bashing the computer. Or what Mike K. is now going. Bashing Facebook,myspace. When he has no clue about FB or myspace. Just like rw davis didn't even know what a DVD was!
Sure ya'll that went to that wonderful,so uplifting conference. Was bashed every night,somewhere in the service. About your friends on FB,having a FB or myspace account. It is a tool of the devil. Those folks on your friends list are Haters,EXERS,on and on and on. When rw davis said there is nothing new under the sun. That is because they have NOTHING to share that is new and biblically correct.
Sorry folks,there NOT looking out for your best interest. FB and myspace,Mike has no control over. And they Have to get that control back. By any means possible. Sure you did what I did while in ntcc. Walk out of the service TORN. God is NOT dealing with your heart to take down your FB account! So why is Mike K. still preaching against it??? There service's are NOT God directed. It is all directed by the FLESH. let GOD direct your Decisions! NOT a MAN!!
CM
The most dangerous thing about the internet for NTCC is they cannot control/moderate it.
ReplyDeleteThe problem with facebook is those still in get to see those out, enjoying life, being successful, still serving God in some cases, not even talking about NTCC in most cases, enjoying family, having nice things, etc. Doing all the normal things they (NTCCers) want to do but aren't allowed to do.
Not allowed because it is prohibited (either directly or by implication), or they don't have the money, or the time, or the opportunity, or all the above. The normal desire for these normal things is there but un-naturally suppressed in the adherents life.
What NTCCers see on facebook goes against the long standing teaching/pronouncement against those who leave...that they will never amount to anything, and will suffer in their post-NTCC life.
It is critical for NTCC that they do whatever it takes to keep the fog from lifting from their adherent's mind and eyes. A large part of this is influencing people to stay off-line. I also lost a lot of facebook friends (and they all initially sought me out, not me them) during Rev. Kekel's latest internet purge campaign.
Be assured, NTCC will continue to not disappoint.
Gregory
"And no amount of double talk that comes from Mike K. as he tries to do his damage control campaign will help! Once you can see the truth. You know that you have to leave this Organization." CM gets the prize for that wonderful combo!
ReplyDeleteOMG,is Steve Sominto still in ntcc. I just saw his Biker get up on his FB page. All in black. His motto was God,guns and guts!!
ReplyDeleteOn his wall,talks about conference.Quoting scripture and such.
I knew him while we were in the cult. He was not dressing like this. Since the COMPROMISE has happened. Mike K. has his motorbikes. So now Steve has his!!
But folks guess what,ntcc has not changed!!!LOL It does not state he is still married. So sis. Somento gone. And he has DIVROCED her?
Very interesting. Look at Danny Brill with his Cool leather jacket. Looking soo "worldy" Again,nothing has changed!
Well folks. Go on Mikey's blog. You can see that his Fear tactics has worked on Some. They are either taking down there Facebook or myspace accounts. Or not even allowing ntcc ministers and members.
ReplyDeleteFunny,I thought Mike was afraid of those of that have escaped the cult. Looks like what he considers filth. Is within his OWN ranks. Not us EXERS. as some brainwashed individuals like to call us. Or there favorite,Haters.
Who is the one's secluding themselve's from the world. And they want to call us Haters. Interesting!
There will be those weak individuals that do bend to this fear tactic. And do what Mike wants them to do. But many of you know better. Your stuck in ntcc,or so you think. Heard there GUILT tactics time and time again. It Does not work on you.
Same as you have heard the FAT jokes,BLOND jokes,Bible College Student jokes over and over. That is just manipluation at it's finest. lets make fun of them,and see if they laugh at RUDE,CRUDE jokes about the negative aspects. Guess what folks,making fun of people is not funny. And if they use,or your just full of pride. Why are you offended. Turn the tables. Let the conregation Make fun of rw davis or Mike K. See if they like to be made fun of. And if they don't,cry Pride!!