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The Rich Poor Church

Make sure you stop by the ATM before you enter your local NTCC. The third picture is P. Kinson or RWD about 20 years ago.

Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

This is the NTCC all the way. This describes the leaders of the NTCC. NTCC leaders are notorious for equating their financial prosperity to godliness and how wrong they are. The Bible has consistently warned of the dangers surrounding monetary gain and the NTCC leadership has selectively ignored such scriptures while highlighting scriptures supporting capitalism and prosperity. Well here are a few scriptures that RWD and Kekel prefer not to think about and I'm sure they also don't want to bring too much attention to the ones listed below. Such scriptures condemn Kekel and RWD.

1Tim 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

Jeff said... RWD and Kekel teach that gain is godliness, at least as it justifies why they have wealth. They say that God gave it to them hence they justify their gain as a direct result of them being godly (so they say). I don't agree. A crook can gain wealth.

1Tim 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

Jeff said... Are not RWD and Kekel rich?

1Tim 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Jeff said... Do not RWD and Kekel love money. RWD said openly in conference that he prayed to God that he would become a "MILLIONAIRE". I heard him say this with my own ears.

Mat 19:23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Jeff said... Once again, are not RWD and Kekel rich? Do these scriptures simply not apply to RWD and Kekel?

Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Jeff said...

RWD and Kekel have taught (and I've heard them in conference) that God has blessed them because they can spiritually handle having money. They've taught that many people don't have money because God knows that having money would lead to their spiritual destruction. So in essence they've convinced their church that it is alright for them (RWD and Kekel) to be rich while it's not alright for you to be rich and in doing so they've effectively perpetuated one of the greatest con games that I've personally ever witnessed. They keep you poor (certainly in comparison to them) while at your expense they keep a constant flow of money heading straight in their direction. Oh it's not heading in their direction? The NTCC is a corporation and someone has control of all the money and assets or else the NTCC wouldn't have been able to donate as a gift 39 acres of land to Mike and Tanya Kekel valued at approx $373,000. Has RWD or the NTCC given you that much land? I didn't think so and you have no control of the NTCCs assets but they do and hence justification of my original statement. The money is heading in their direction. How many of you have $20,000 a year to put your child through a private academy like the Kekel's son? I rest my case. If there are others who fall in this category it's not many.

The problem is that the scriptures I highlighted above apply to the NTCC leadership just like they apply to everyone else. RWD and Kekel have taught that "GAIN IS EVIDENCE OF GODLINESS" and this teaching is in total contrast to 1Tim 6:5. None of these scriptures are prefaced by "except for NTCC leaders". Through deceit and greediness RWD and Kekel have blessed themselves while at the same time convincing the rest of the NTCC that it was God who blessed them. Crooks gain wealth everyday and God has always allowed it, but that doesn't mean it was God who blessed them.

The Catholic Church is the richest church in the world and I suppose all that wealth came from God? Creflo Dollar is rich as the day is long and I guess that is also evidence of Gods blessing in his life? What about all these other rich televangelists? I suppose according to the RWD and Kekel's logic God has blessed them also? Do you think that maybe the devil may have had something to do with it or simply their own greediness? So what you are telling me is that everyone else who has wealth got it without Gods intervention and totally on their own, but RWD and Kekel are the sole exceptions to the rule? Are you kidding me? I'm I expected to be that stupid? I used to be but not anymore. RWD, Kekel, Jones, Ramirez are all prosperity preachers; no more and no less. They are not one bit different than Creflo Dollar and the Bishop Eddie Long. Their teaching is simple and it's this: If you give the NTCC money, you will be blessed. So if that is the case then why is it that virtually no one else in the NTCC has houses and land as grand as Kekel and RWD? Maybe Kinson? Maybe Ashmore? Maybe Olson, Gezang, or Johnson? I don't know you tell me but what about the rest. How come money hasn't dropped from Gods unlimited supply like they've promised? Who else in the NTCC is living in a mansion like RWD?

RWD and Kekel are not exceptions to the Bible rule and according to the Bible they've also fallen into perdition; 1Tim 6:9. God is not going to give them a bi and make an exception to his Bible rules just for their sake. They've got you NTCCers tricked or you've also decided that building churches (with one of the main focuses being the accumulation of wealth) suits your fancy also. If RWD is so interested in the accumulation of wealth, (which he is) and he wants the same for you, (which he claims) then why doesn't RWD have all his ministers go out and start their very own churches just like he did? When I say "their very own" I mean a church where all the funds that funnel into that church stay in that church and the Pastor of that church is directly responsible for and has control over all of it. RWD doesn't suggest that because then his organization wouldn't be getting a piece of everyone else's pie if you all went and started your very own independent church. You all better read the rest of your Bible or you are going to wind up going through your entire life tricked by RWD and Kekel's scam while giving them all your hard earned cash. The NTCC is definitely a very good example of the Laodicean Church found in Revelation Chapter 3.

Think about it folks.

Jeff

Looks Like The NTCC Tried To Lay Down The Law

I received a phone call last night that I returned late this morning from an individual who lives near Graham Washington and is currently attending services with with NTCC and has been for quite a few years. What this person told me is really nothing new but it was nevertheless good to get it straight from yet another credible source.

This person was in conference when RWD paraded a minister who I believe was Devonshire in front of the entire congregation to flaunt his (available for a wife status). The individual who called me had remained alarmed for quite some time about the incident. This person thought that the escapade was totally inappropriate especially being that everyone knew the mans wife. This person also told me of additional occurrence that took place during a conference in Washington within approximately the last year when Kekel declared that it has never been a problem for an NTCC member to attend secular colleges or universities as long as the school didn't interfere with someones service to the Lord.

That is an outright lie for Kekel to make such a statement. Kekel is an outright liar and a crook. Anyone who might have even considered sending their child to a secular college would have been labeled as someone who didn't have their family in subjection and therefor wasn't qualified to lead a church if they couldn't lead their children to the NTCCs school of rules. I've heard that kind of stuff over and over again while attending NTCC services. It was also taught that if a person was soul winning, visiting people, having a full schedule of church services, praying and studying their bible, they wouldn't have time to attend a quote, "worldly secular college" and if they didn't understand that they needed to "get saved". It was taught by the NTCC leadership consisting of RWD, his overseers and his pastors that in the grand scheme of Gods eternal, spiritual agenda, (a worldly secular college) would be of virtually little or no "eternal" benefit what so ever. My recollection isn't vague but quite accurate and once again Kekel is deceitful.

The person I talked to also said that Kekel spoke of it never being a problem for people in the NTCC to be involved with organized sports and that from his chair next to the pulpit RWD piped in with, "quit saying Davis said". Apparently Kekel brought up the subject because people (rightfully so) had been complaining about Kekel's kid playing in all these high school sports while wearing shorts and tight football pants when they knew that RWD had verbally forbidden such conduct for years and years. So because people had been saying that they remembered RWD verbally stating his opposition to such sports participation, RWD decided to pipe in with "quit saying that Davis said". We all know that Davis and his pastors taught that sports participation and secular colleges were a waste of a Christians time and they would better serve God if they went, "soul winning", or went "visiting new potential converts", or went to "yet another church service", or "went into the ministry as a FULL TIME pastor" having previously attended the NTCCs school of rules otherwise know as the Bible college. Folks who didn't agreed with this stance heard over the pulpit that they "needed to get saved".

We all know these things were taught by RWD and his pastors and overseers and it is flat out INSULTING and INFURIATING for Kekel to suggest otherwise as though we all have poor recollection and memory or that we are all simply stupid while not possessing the mental capacity to read between the lines. I've concluded that all NTCC ministers (who sat through that conference and decided to stay with the NTCC) are inherently crooked because they must be after having listened to all that garbage while knowing it is was an outright lie.

Words can not express the degree of disdain that many of us now have for the NTCC leadership as a result of their deceitful, disingenuous and untruthful conduct. Kekel and RWD and Olson are outright liars and can in no wise be considered what the Bible refers to as "CHRISTIANS". Many, many people who heard this stuff preached, and who sat through NTCC services are my witnesses, and God himself is my witness for he knows what RWD and his pastors previously taught for decades. I stand behind this blog and boldly stand against the NTCC leaderships hypocrisy and I will gladly talk to anyone who contests my statements or anyone who also wants to discuss the NTCCs deceitful leadership.

The first cat picture to the far left is the dude who just finished running for his life, from a brainwashed NTCC minister who just tried to run it over with his automobile. The second one is the nice little fellow who miraculously escaped the well of water that an NTCC pastor used to try and drown the poor fellow. The third picture is of your very own house cat buddy who haphazardly wandered in the wrong NTCC pastors back yard only to find bullets flying at him which were shot by a crazed, brainwashed NTCC pastor exiting his back door. Why do I make such claims. Just read below while I refute an anonymous posters statement.

In a previous thread, Anonymous wrote:

"And no cats are not evil that was one mans dislike turned into a doctrine. That is crazy and it is not NTCC doctrine."

Jeff said...

I wanted to continue with this subject. Anon said that it is not NTCC doctrine. Well I say; that depends on what you consider "doctrine". Here are real dictionary definitions for the word "doctrine".

1. a particular principle, position, or policy taught or advocated, as of a religion or government: Catholic doctrines; the Monroe Doctrine.
2. something that is taught; teachings collectively: religious doctrine.
3. a body or system of teachings relating to a particular subject: the doctrine of the Catholic Church.

Jeff said...

The practice of hating and KILLING cats was "taught and advocated" by the NTCC hence fitting the dictionary definition of the word "doctrine". I can emphatically state that as fact while quantifying my stance.

One very respected and highly regarded NTCC pastor personally told me the he and other brothers would drown cats in a well of water. He laughed about this fact quite gleefully.

Another NTCC pastor who is still with the NTCC pastoring in Washington told me that he watched a brother drive his vehicle erratically in an attempt to run down, run over, and kill a cats who was "running" from the cars path. When the pastor told me this he also laughed with utter glee while showing an emotional display of much pleasure concerning the subject of "killing cats".

Yet another different NTCC pastor refused to allow his daughter over to my house to play with my daughter, (who was about the same age and who incidentally had come to my house to play on previous occasions) because we got my daughter a pet kitty cat. This pastor said that my wife and I didn't spiritually understand the nature of cats and his daughter could no longer come to play with our daughter until we got rid of the cat.

The NTCC pastor who would drown cats in a well of water told me that cats were evil and RWD taught that the cat was essentially kin to the snake because they both had slit pupils in their eyes which made them essentially evil animals dating all the way back to Eve being beguiled by the serpent in the garden of eden. Now I'm not making this stuff up.

Additionally it has been reported that an NTCC minister walked out his back door and began shooting at a cat in his back yard with a real gun and I have no reason to doubt this claim due to my personal experiences with cat hating NTCC preachers.

Yet another, different NTCC pastor preached against animal lovers as a whole, for almost an entire service, which I had the displeasure of sitting through. This guy absolutely went nuts on his tirade against animals and animal lovers. My wife and I never went back to his church which was the first NTCC church of two we visited in Atlanta Georgia.

So with all these different NTCC pastors sharing the same basic beliefs about cats I'm supposed to believe that it wasn't taught hence qualifying as a doctrine? You mean to tell me that I, Jeffrey Collins just circumstantially and by pure chance happened to come in contact with the only 3 or 4 cat hating NTCC pastors in the entire NTCC? You're kidding right?

NO, hating cats was common for pastors in the NTCC. That is the only logical explanation and the practice was CLEARLY TAUGHT.

The NTCC is FULL of a bunch of KOOKS, who are being misled by someone even KOOKIER, and Anonymous has been deceived into believing otherwise. How many weird, nutty, kooky NTCC TRUE stories do I and others have to write about before folks realize they are involved in a truly messed up organization absolutely FULL of brainwashed and mislead preachers. If you think I'm making up any of this cats stuff please call me and we can discuss the subject.

NTCC: Cult Or Not? Are There Any Churches That Wouldn't In Some Way Match One Of The Text Book Definitions Of A Cult?

The NTCC is a church which is full of little Kitty Cat haters. They think that Cats are evil.

Thread #29 I am starting a new thread because this topic has been going pretty strong on the previous thread, and Dawn has quite appropriately reminded me that there are more effective ways to sift through a blog than to read 100 posts under the exact same thread. Dawn is right so here we go. I said that for two reasons: Number one because Dawn was in fact right and number two because I want folks to know that I will rapidly act on suggestions from blog participants. I will seriously consider all suggestions from all parties as they pertain to the betterment of this blog.

Now back to the cult thread. I am going to be my own devils advocate here for a moment. I have looked up the definition of a cult and posted it on the previous thread. I also gave examples of how the NTCCs practices very closely mirror the text book definitions of a cult. Guess what; in all fairness to the NTCC; teachings in the Bible also very closely mirror the text book definitions of a cult. As a result many churches could be considered a cult so I posted this question on the previous thread. Are all cults bad? Also why do we think the NTCC is a "bad" cult. I know why I think the NTCC is a bad cult. I specified my reasons on the previous thread.

Concerned NTCC Minister wrote this and I quote: In regard to the fact that many of these attributes seem to match up, I would just like to ask all thinking individuals to consider the fact that these attributes also match many other organizations, including the government.

Jeffs response: I try my best to be a fair and honest broker of this blog. Concerned NTCC Minister is absolutely right and I offer no "buts" or apologies. Some NTCC folks may want to consider taking a few pointers from Concerned Minister. In my opinion, he has more effectively represented the NTCC than anyone who has posted on Factnet or any of the rest of these blogs. I may not always agree with him, which I don't, but often I can't refute the mans statements nor do I want to when he offers only pure logic in a respectful manner. I would like to have the man over to my house for dinner and if you think I am kidding, I'm not. I don't hate NTCC folks. I just can't stand the abuse, the double standards and worse than both of those, THE DENIAL.

Oh and I can't stand most of their absurd rules which is the main reason I think the NTCC is a bad cult. It is called unorthodox extremism. Teaching that Cats are evil is extreme and certainly unorthodox. Having an adult stand against a wall so they can ask permission to date some one, is unorthodox, extreme, and a rule that could have only been dreamed up by a control freak, who runs his church like a "BAD" cult.

Jeff

Nuttir Than A Fruit Cake

Boy does Mike ever have an obsession with facebook participants. He just started a new thread called the Facebook / MySpace Psalm. What a joke! What in the world is going on with this guy? He might be loosing it. Wasn't Mike the guy who masqueraded as the "Whirlwind" on Factnet a few years back? Yes he was so it seems to me he is continuing full speed ahead with the old double standard. His blog is no more than an exNTCCer hater blog anyway so he doesn't have any room to critique anyone else's internet habits the way I see it. I don't particularly like the word, "hater" but I thought it was appropriate being that so many NTCC folks like to liberally throw it around.

Even though he is a hypocrite, I really don't blame Mike for firing back at exNTCCers like myself. I've been firing at him with both barrels blazing for a good while now so can you blame the guy for at least making a feeble attempt at defending himself?

Anyway, his obsession with facebook is no more than damage control NTCC style. Mike is smart enough to realize that folks will continue to escape the NTCC, (more so than they've already been) as they learn more about the org's secrets. Facebook is an avenue to such information because ex-ers are on facebook. The NTCC's greatest trick has always been maintaining control of the flow of information. That fact alone is singlehandedly responsible for the creation of so many NTCC rules. They've never wanted folks to talk that much so they've prohibited churches from intermingling for reasons other then organized fellowship meetings. They required that couples ask permission to even go to each others houses. They've wanted to limit the number of kids that attend each others birthday parties. The list goes on.

Well the internet has put a halt to all this control freak, information censorship business and now Mike has come almost completely undone with this facebook obsession of his. Just look at his last thread and tell me I'm lying. A facebook psalm? Ha!!!! He is becoming nuttier than a fruit cake. How do NTCC people take this guy serious. He may be a serious musician. I don't doubt that. He may have decent to above average organizational skills. I don't doubt that either. What I do doubt is that he is even remotely qualified to guide folks spiritually. People have dedicated their whole life to the NTCC which is now being guided by a guy like him?

If I was looking for some spiritual guidance I would be better off jumping in a lake and talking to a fish. Hey, the fish might be the 50th cousin, 5 times removed from one of those dudes that got caught in the net when Christ told Peter to cast it off the right side of the ship. At least with the fish I'd have a remote chance at some real spiritual guidance. A facebook Psalm? You GOT to be kidding me? This is the guy that NTCC folks are following? Boy am I glad I didn't wind up in Graham. LOL. ROTFL. The blind leading the blind.

Jeff

Rev 2:6 - But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate

Reposted from a previous thread with some editing by Jeff.

April wrote...

I read Mike K. labeling me and many others as Haters! Those of us that have escaped the cult as haters.
I have tried to push that aside and say no, I do not Hate these men and women that controlled my life for 13 years! I tried to reassure many that I am not bitter, not angry, hold hateful feelings for them. I know those feelings are not Christ like. Though I am sure Christ has serious righteous anger for these people and the treatment they have doled out to his children!

As I am learning and really trying to accept the past, I do hate the life that I lived in NTCC. I hate for the financial situation we were in while in Bible school and out in the ministry. You really could not get ahead and raise a family UNLESS you becamse the harsh dictators that NTCC wants you to be. I hate that I was not able to grieve for my Grandfather, my Great Aunt or my Grandmother. I lost about five close family members while in NTCC and did not attend ONE of their funerals. Going home during Bible school was not a option. We could barely scrap up the money for the tuition, pay the babysitter, tithe, offerings for MANY service's a week, gas for the vehicle etc. I lost my Grandfather one month before a conference. I was Denied being able to go home. If I did, I would have LOST that entire semester. So I stayed in WA and went to that conference and did squezze out a short visit but when you go home, (which is very rare) you don't want to spend that time crying. You do not know when the next time you will be there to see them, or who you might lose inbetween visits. So yes, I do hate that I tried to grieve alone.

What is now happening since leaving ntcc. It all hits you at once. BAMB! That depression of losing loved one's, those lost years, those things you said or not did. Then your left to make decisions on your own that can be fearful. It was all decided for US! Now I am learning to rely on God, leaning on him for guidance. Before I never understood being a Christian. I even have trouble with that word, Christian. I see it still to much with NTCC and not as it should be seen as something special.

I hate that I became a zombie who could not think on my own. That women were supposed to be bubble head ninnies. Not many of them read a newspaper or pay attention to world affairs. Can't even hold a conversation about tough topics. It's like before women VOTED. Oh that is too much for your pretty little head; WOMAN!

I hate for how I treated my BLOOD family. Cut them off. Bashed them as sinners. I am learning things I said to my loved one's. I can not even remember saying. And I cry for those things I said,and have no recolection of doing it.

I hate how my marriage was rushed; no dating and got married in about five months time. Used to take pride in that while in the cult. I was relieved that I never had to sit on that gawd awful WALL! I am just now getting to know my husband. It almost broke up my marriage because we have many different interests. Most couples do, but in NTCC all of us had different interests. We were the same, did the same things, listed to the same music, hair styles the same, bought similar dresses, shoes, purses. ALL OF US WERE THE SAME ROBOTS! Now I am allowed to be myself and still stay saved as a Christian.

Me, I have never Hated a person in my life. I just can't say I hate RW Davis or hate MC Kekel, or T Kekel etc. I do HATE what they do to people's live's and I hate that they twist the scripture, the mind control that goes on, the double talking. I hate the false teachings and the spirit behind their actions. It is NOT OUT OF LOVE! I know; I never felt LOVE by those people. I FEARED them. I avoided RW Davis and MC Kekel. To go and call him for permission made me sweat. I did not want to get on the phone and ask another adult for permission. My own mother gave me more responsiblity then this so called Bible school!

So if there going to call us "Haters", then that is what I HATE!
I will pray for these people, that their eyes will be open to the hurt they have caused and the damage that they have caused. Their hands are covered with the Blood of many souls!

April Michalik

Jeff said...

I can relate.

Jeff