First posted 1/8/2010 when the Crimson Tide won the 2009 season BCS National Championship. This ain't my first rodeo with Alabama. The Alabama Crimson Tide has won the College Football BCS National Championship. I happen to live about 1/4 of a mile from the Georgia, Alabama border. I have been an Alabama fan following their entire season. I followed their entire season last year as well, but they didn't have quite the degree of success that they had this season. I'm quite pleased with the outcome. Roll Tide!!!
I never followed any sporting events while I was with the NTCC. Every NTCC pastor that I had categorically rejected practices such as sports fanaticism i.e. being a sports fan. The word "fan" was derived from the word fanaticism or fanatic. I am in fact a fan of the Crimson Tide however such interests were without doubt forbidden while I was with the NTCC; well almost.
This subject has been brought up here many times before and repetition is a good teacher. While the rest us were listening to preaching directed against sports, Mike Kekel was enrolling his son in basketball and football. We would have never known this if it wasn't for the wonderful world wide web. How many of us denied our children participation in sports and denied ourselves from having an interest in sports because of the NTCC's stance concerning the subject? I am quite positive the answer is many. Well if all those NTCC preachers were right, and I am going to hell because I'm a sports fan / fanatic, I will have some company there; namely Mike Kekel, and his entire family. Mike better hope his fellow ministers and his father-in-law were wrong. That's right his father-in-law because it's obvious that someone taught all those ministers to bash sports and RWD is as usual the only logical answer.
Chief
65 comments:
kekel is such a liar, trying to say he and rdub only made suggestions and guidelines.
One guy reamed at conference by rdub because the guy went hunting on a Saturday morning.
One couple's son had a MLB quality pitching arm but he was never allowed to pursue his dream. rdub knows better than the God who gifted him with that talent.
i pray God removes the gifts and blessings from the ntcc hypocrites who denied simple pleasures from others through their false man-made doctrines.
i pray ntcc hypocrites have to cry the same tears of frustration and shame and guilt that all the parents had to cry for denying their kids childhoods.
i pray ntcc hypocrites kids have to suffer the same needless shame and humiliation that their hypocrite parents caused other peoples kids to suffer.
In bible speak:
MAY GOD REQUIRE IT OF YOU!
BitG
Whatever Jeff.... Go Hook 'em Horns! lol!
Anonymous said...
Go Hook 'em Horns!
Jeff said...
Fortunately for me the Crimson Tide didn't get hooked last night. Roll Tide Roll! LOL. That was a good one. I plan to continue recognizing the results of major sporting events right here on this blog. If any NTCCer decides to judge me, (and I wouldn't care anyway) they need to start with a phone call to the Kekel residence.
Jeff
Oh by the way, my little boy is 6 years old now and he can kick the daylights out of a ball and his arm is not too bad either. He is a better kicker than a thrower though. He shoots a basket ball quite good as well.
I understand that sports aren't for everyone but I believe that most boys should play some kind of sport. It makes them tough and competitive.
To all the NTCC ministers who have preached against sports: Go get a back bone like most athletes have, and go preach at your beloved leader Mike Kekel, and stop practicing partiality you hypocrites.
Jeff
I have been so getting into it over this football game.
Way to go Alabama for almost losing to a Freshman QB!
And how about the Bama's coach. He has no class and no sportsmen ship!
I don't just pick a team for there ability. I also look behind the scene's as well. Like the SA spurs and there Organization. Would I want my kids watching that Bama coach. Where it looked like he wanted to deck his own players. After dumping gatorade on him. Looks like he didn't feel like it was a REAL win either!
Put Colt back in,uninjuired. Alabama would have been stomped all over!!
Go Horns,hook em' horns!
I think Most GIRLS should play a Sport. And Join the Military if they so choose.
Sports of course are not just for boys.
Since leaving ntcc my DD has played on a basketball league. And was doing good. Until she got it into her head. She thinks she is told old to start a sport,activity. Thanks ntcc for robbing the early years from me and my DD!
I do believe thats BCS for the eastern US because BSU (Boise State University Bronco's)won the fiesta bowl for the Western US and they kicked TCU's butt in the fiesta bowl least I rub that in! I am a Boise State Fan and they won BCS here so... thats two teams I believe that have the BCS title?
By the way...I was at the Bronco's game where they were awarded the BCS title so I am just assuming they do one for each section of the U.S. That colleges play each other in. Because if I remember right TCU won the BCS title as well. And they played against BSU in the Fiesta Bowl.
My husband and many men secretly followed sports. on the radio and then on the internet. my DH even got a subscription to watch baseball on-line. that was getting close to us getting out of ntcc!
Would some of them with there radio's on,in the parking lot. Trying to catch tid bits of game's.
Oh and don't forget Mike K. now has motorcross bike's. That is a sport as well!!
I was in once for some therapy since escaping ntcc. She showed me a wheel chart of abusive relationship. This was generally a man or woman being abusive. But I looked at the descriptions. And ntcc showed ALL the signs of an abusive relationhip. That really opened my eyes there.
I always used to tell myself. I would never stay in a man hit me,humilated me,mentally abuse,ect. I would be out that door so fast!
BUT,I looked at the chart. I had been in abusive relationship. With the Church,ntcc. For upteen years! I stayed MAINLY out of Fear! Fear of having my marriage broke up. Fear that if I left God would leave me. Fear of being a failure. Fear of losing my friends. Because they would shun me if I left. Fear of trying to make it on my own with a child. Because ntcc would make my husband get a divorce from me.
I was in an abusive relationship. What happens sometimes with women or men. They MAKE EXCUSES to stay in that situation. Folks in ntcc right NOW are making excuses. OUT OF FEAR!
I tried to find some kind of chart similar to what my counselor showed me. I did find this link
http://www.spiritwatch.org/idrelab.htm.
Someone that is a better web searching then me might find something better then this.
Sometimes showing brainwashed,fear controlled folks in ntcc. Is patience,care. Be there for them. If they know there is others on the OUTSIDE. that do care for them,will help them. Might help them to make the leap and get out of ntcc.
That is my prayer and hope!
CM
Good for you Jeff!
I am a big Syracuse Orange fan not so much football lol but hoops!
I felt quilty when I went to a New York Mets game in 1988 when I went home on leave when my grandmother died. I never mentioned the fact I had gone to the game when I got back to the servicemen's home in Germany , because I knew how that would go over.
My younger brother coaches varsity girls basketball and I was able to see his team win a couple state championships and four straight final fours. This year they are again undefeated ranked #2 and hopefully I will be able to catch a couple games. I will definitely feel no guilt in doing such. My niece who was named 7th team all state as a sophomore last year will probably get a full ride in a couple years if they were in the borg she could kiss that bye bye unless her name was kekel.
I remember they said rev Blumenthal could have made the major league in baseball if he had wanted to I wonder if he has any regrets?
Boise State is the "Other" 14-0 team!!!
This is why we need a playoff.
Who would win - Boise State or Alabama???
The Only 3 DIV A 14-0 teams (like EVER): Ohio State, Alabama, and BOISE STATE!!!!
Looks like God has cursed the state of Washinton (the football, I don't know about anything else!!! (Ma Ma Ma!!)
Bro Johnson
Bernie what's up man? It's good to hear from you!!! Happy new year.
Just some trivial information: Bernie and I lived in a serviceman's home together about 25 years ago and he was certainly one of my best friends. We went different ways and the NTCC was never into folks from different churches staying in contact anyway so of course we lost touch. Bernie called me some months back when he came across this blog. It's great to hear from you Bernie.
Bernie, I would imagine that you would be a Syracuse fan. I would probably also be if I still lived in NY. I also remember stories of Blumenthal having a great arm but who knows. The NTCC leadership has a habit of blowing stuff out of proportion. Either way you can be sure that he was discouraged from playing baseball which ever the case.
Bernie, when you get a chance give me a call at 404-405-7842. Good to hear from you.
Your old friend,
Jeff
I've been trying my best to get on this blog but it's really kinda hard because I gotta wrestle the time to fit things in my schedule. I'm a very busy person( not as much as I was at NTCC) but I got so many things to say about NTCC. Before I can write anything about these " company men" let me just congratulate you about your recent BCS title. Roll Tide, although it's been 17 years in the making. I appreciate each and every person who has the courage to blog a little piece of their experience at NTCC. I very often find myself as a part of the stories that are being told. Keep up the good job Jeff and warm greetings to your family.
Angie said...
TCU won the BCS title as well.
Jeff said...
TCU finished first in the Mountain West Standings and finished 4 in the national standings and was selected to play in the BCS Fiesta Bowl. TCU lost the Fiesta Bowl to Boise State and as a result held no BCS title. I understand what you were thinking Angie because they did finish first in the Mountain West. I was hoping TCU would win their bowl game but they didn't.
Jeff
Anonymous said...
Put Colt back in,uninjured. Alabama would have been stomped all over!!
Jeff said...
Colt McCoy was taken out because of Alabama's superb defense. Texas's offensive line should have protected him better and he wouldn't have been taken out. Colt took a good lick and it wasn't dished out by one of his own guys; but by one of Alabama's; Marcell Dareus.
Same with the last fumble. Gilbert the Quarter back got stuck by Eryk Anders which forced the fumble; Just like Colt McCoy got stuck. Ingram and Richardson both rushed for over 100 yards against the Texas defense which has nothing to do with Colt McCoy. Face it, Texas got beat and part of that beating was Marcell Dareus hitting Colt McCoy real good. The hit took Colt out of the game and that is the name of the game. What? Do you think Dareus should have gone easy on Colt McCoy? That is not the name of the game.
The bottom line is the better team won and they are the national champions. Alabama got the "W" and Texas got the "L", plain and simple. Roll Tide!!!!
Jeff
Rdubb plays sports, y'all- its that physical tortue thing- where he either: 1. Squashes your fingers in a fist. 2. Hits you.. etc.. I remember him tortuing Olson- Olson crying out "please sir" "please sir"
crushing his hands or his shoulder muscles. Once Les Taylor recoiled at one of the "dominant male" aggresion tactics... we were aghast! you can't "touch the man".
Then the psychological sports- he insults your intelligence and sees if you will try to correct him. Once he stood by the Office door telling us that the human being is really one-celled creature... there is no multiplication of cells, cell specialization... I disagreed. Oops, there i did it again!
You know i was very disappointed in Colt McCoy, he should have taken a couple oxycontin and got back in there asap- he really wimped out of the biggest game of his career
Tim Tebow wouldn't have done that, he would have risked injury and taken a chance to prove himself
apparently Colt is going to be just another "drew Bledsoe" type quarterback: talent, but no heart or guts
T
Hey T. In all fairness to Colt McCoy, I'm sure the decision to stay out of the game wasn't his alone. His Coach and his Dad and a Physician got involved and from what I've read and heard they all felt that was the best choice. Apparently Colt couldn't even feel his arm and he does have a bright future to consider.
I originally thought it kind of strange for him to stay out but after all that I've heard on the radio and read today, I could see the justification for him refrain from further participation. Hey, who knows? I just know that the Crimson Tide won which was the outcome that I was looking for.
Quarterbacks get hurt all the time and knocked out of the game. Tebow got knocked out of a game earlier this season. He was pretty shook up from what I recall. Players get injured just about every single game and this time it was the Texas star Quarterback. Alabama's defense got to him, plain and simple, which is what they were supposed to do except this time he got hit hard enough and in the right way to take him totally out of the game.
A soldier doesn't go to war and with the intent to leave the enemy with all their big weapons. The more weapons you take out the better chance you have at winning the war and the same is with football. If the defense manages to get to the Quarterback and hit him hard, and not get called for unnecessary roughness, then it is what it is and it happens all the time. This time it happened early in the game and it wasn't like Texas or Alabama planned it. It just happened and if it worked to Alabama's benefit then so be it.
Jeff
I remember him tortuing Olson- Olson crying out "please sir" "please sir"
..whats next water-boarding?
No worries from me on that. Do not care for the TCU. They were bashing the Longhorns. So I of course do not like them!!
Alabama has an organization has no class. I do not care her won. If your bad sportsmenship and no class. I would not want to follow a team like that. And with the coach they got. No matter if he gets wins!!
Hit in the Right way. So you support trying to HURT other plyaers. To take them out! Wow!
Your a very gross person.
Tebow if he is so tough. Should have stayed playing. With or without a head injuiry. What a WIMP!
Bernie said,
I remember they said rev Blumenthal could have made the major league in baseball if he had wanted to I wonder if he has any regrets?
January 08, 2010 7:07 PM
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I would think anyone who has done time in ntcc has all kinds of regrets...
And I was referring to a different MLB hopeful, just to be sure that there were at least two such folks slam-dunked by ntcc's trash.
BitG
Anonymous said...
My husband and many men secretly followed sports. on the radio ...
January 08, 2010 1:44 PM
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arlen bradeen and george (aka dad) keener used to follow sports / baseball on the radio all the time. And it was no secret.
BitG
Jeff said,
I also remember stories of Blumenthal having a great arm but who knows. The NTCC leadership has a habit of blowing stuff out of proportion. Either way you can be sure that he was discouraged from playing baseball which ever the case.
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I believe he had the arm, but whatever.
He was supposedly being trained or groomed to be rdub's replacement (back in the day). rdub took him on trips with him and all that jazz.
i guess that's why he had to go.
too much competition for mc and tanya.
See, anybody can be worn down over time by taking them from completely successful works and leaving them to hang out to dry on the missions field.
just ask blumenthal or marshall or any of the others who experienced such willful neglect at the hands of ntcc.
Being a popular preacher in ntcc is bad for your spiritual health. Having too many people who like you makes you a threat to verna and rdubs plan's for their dynasty.
i think they'll eventually sell out mc kekel much the same way.
so they can turn the empire over to grant. and if g's daddy leaves in disgrace, so much the better. grandma could then order g to change his last name to davis, thus preserving the perfect legacy fantasy.
seriously, this whole break from holiness standards is probably rdub's brainchild to give mc kekel a very long rope with which to hang himself.
then all they need to do is catch him in the act with a personal shopper or on a midnight tryst with george keener (and you thought he was showering because of the bike ride, huh, Tanya; but it was probably much more he was trying to wash away after those midnight rendevous...) just my opinion, but something ain't right with all that...
like i said, rdub loves to give
'em a long rope to hang themselves. and he loves to use his wife to do his dirty deeds for him. like all her match-making. he loves when she does that.
they have one goal: preserve the davis dynasty.
BitG
Anonymous said...
So you support trying to HURT other players. To take them out! Wow!
Your a very gross person.
Jeff said...
A gross person? No a lover of the game, and if you can't stand to see players getting tackled (hard) then you better watch water ballet. Ha, ha. Your other statements are simply bias and uneducated and can be attributed to your displeasure as a result of the Longhorns loss.
It's what's called being a sore looser or a bad sportsman. Face it, your team lost just like mine did last year and you are having a hard time coping with it. It's ok because if it's any consolation Texas made it further than Alabama did last year and they may very well meet again next year.
The Longhorns are a great team, good luck and get over it. Roll Tide!!!
Jeff
BitG said...
He was supposedly being trained or groomed to be rdub's replacement (back in the day). rdub took him on trips with him and all that jazz.
Jeff said...
He was being trained by old Rdub to be worked into higher positions within the org. Unfortunately for Blumenthal (or maybe fortunately for Blumenthal), Rdub held Blumenthal to a higher moral standard then Rdub held himself.
Blumenthal got caught up with some moral issues, (kind of like the one's that according to many accounts RWD got caught up with) and RWD being a hypocrite made him Blumenthal step down. That is the short version of the story.
I happen to have received a first hand account concerning that whole situation and that is all that I have to say about that.
Simply put RWD hadn't held himself to the same moral standard as he had held Blumenthal which is just another example of the NTCCs double standards.
Jeff
This thread has taken a strange turn away from the topic of football. It's all good.
Jeff
I've wondered why RWD didn't like sports and came to this conclusion. "The top ten list."
1. He would always be chosen last to play on a team.
2. It would leave him with no one to pick on.
3. Jealous of someone’s talents.
4. It would reveal his weakness.
5. He would be a sore loser.
6. If he couldn't play quarterback he wouldn't play at all.
7. it’s a control thing.
8. Overweight people have to play on the line.
9. Takes too much time from soul winning. That can't be it because his grandchild plays sports.
10. He likes pie more than sports.
It is not uncommon for someone who is overweight like RWD to resent or envy folks who are in shape and look good. By no means am I saying that all overweight people feel and or act that way. I am certainly not suggesting that at all.
With that being said, I could see old fat RWD resenting an athlete. I'm quite confident that had something to do with RWD being opposed to sports participation and exercise. Misery likes company.
He may have been the fat, slow boy who was picked on or made fun of by the athletes and as a result he resented them. I believe that is an entirely plausible explanation. Speculation yes, but quite plausible and in fact likely due to RWD always fighting against obesity. He would always put down folks who would exercise and he loved to make fun of folks who were fatter than he was. I think it made him feel better about his own physical condition and appearance. It is psychologically typical for someone to act like that who is an overweight, non exercising, authoritarian, control freak. That would certainly explain everything. Roll Tide!!!
Jeff
I'm pretty sure Davis has claimed to listen to ball games on the radio. I believe he mentioned liking how it was a team sport or something to that effect.
You think it was hard for the brothers to follow sports....it was twice as hard for the ladies!
Of course this list includes politics...knowing the Bible with depth...science and math...I could go on!
Jeff said,
Simply put RWD hadn't held himself to the same moral standard as he had held Blumenthal which is just another example of the NTCCs double standards.
Jeff
January 09, 2010 9:28 AM
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Right, Jeff. Double standards and double standards being used to perpetrate more ntcc garbage.
ntcc reminds me of ted haggard (sp?) and the whole new life church scandal. There was buddy ted preaching high and mighty and hard for holiness down at new life in Colorado Springs. Then this male prostitute up in Denver "outs" teddy for being a regular customer not only for homsexual sex but for drugs too.
The hypocrisy is so much like ntcc. They make the outside of the urn clean. But inside they are full of dead men's bones.
With their mouths they preach Christ and holiness. With their lives they live like the devil and are worldly and materialistic.
BitG
CM,
I definitely agree with your assessment of the ntcc being abusive. It's amazing how we didn't see the forest through the trees. But thank God for getting us out where we could step back and evaluate things for what they were.
Glad you keep posting! Keep it up. It's not only good for you but for others who read it. Helps everybody to sort out some of what we've been through.
GOOD JOB!
BitG
Jeff said,
Blumenthal got caught up with some moral issues, (kind of like the one's that according to many accounts RWD got caught up with) and RWD being a hypocrite made him Blumenthal step down. That is the short version of the story.
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Hey Jeff, Blumenthal got caught sinning, right? Rdub is guilty of sin. We all sin. Please, let's not use euphemisms. Let's call sin what it is, sin.
But the point is, like you said, rdub is a hypocrite who does not hold himself to the same unforgiving standard to which he holds others.
And he holds them to it on purpose to run them off so they don't threaten his plan of passing all his money and power on to his own progeny.
HYPOCRITICAL DECEITFUL NEPOTISTS
BitG
BitG said...
Hey Jeff, Blumenthal got caught sinning, right?
Jeff said...
I understand and as you can imagine, I have my reasons for referring to Blumenthal as one who had "moral issues". Other than some misspellings and some misplacement of words, there is a distinct reason for virtually everything I write.
What I was writing wasn't really directed toward Blumenthal but RWD, and Blumenthal's case just happened to be a fitting example that had circumstantially already been referenced. I understand what you are saying though BitG.
Take care,
Jeff
Congrats to the NY Jets for winning the first game in the first round of the NFL playoffs. I figured I would stay with the whole football thing being that's how this whole thread got started. I was hoping that New York would beat Cincinnati. I am from New York; born and raised.
Things are going my way with these football games. Now Dallas plays Philly. I don't really care who wins this game but I'm probably leaning toward the Eagles.
Jeff.
Jeff Collins said...
Now Dallas plays Philly. I don't really care who wins this game but I'm probably leaning toward the Eagles.
Jeff,
I'm from the DFW area and I am a Cowboys fan so lean toward Dallas.
How bout them Cowboys!!!!
Yea, I might have to eat crow but I'm not a fair weather fan. I use to hate the Steelers back in the 70's.
Take care,
LTravis
I'll tell you what Larry: I'm with you buddy and for that reason I'll lean toward Dallas. Because you are a Dallas fan it would be good if they blowout the Eagles. This way we can both be happy about our respective teams.
Good to hear from you Larry,
Jeff
You think it was hard for the brothers to follow sports....it was twice as hard for the ladies!
Of course this list includes politics...knowing the Bible with depth...science and math...I could go on!
OMG! I have to totally concur with this post. A woman in ntcc had to stop any interest that were not deemed femine by the leaders wive's. We were supposed to ALL love chandliers,dimond rings,UGLE antique furniture,drapes..
Had to not have any interest in muscle cars,I loved trucks,ditto on poltics. Ladies would give me a glass stare if I brought up world events!!
I played many sports before ntcc. Was even trying to get on a military softball team. When I got invited out. That all went out the window!
Which was another sign my family knew something was up. I was a sports jock.
RW likes his women dumb,except his daughter. His own wife is a bubble headed. Bless God is about all she can say!
Good for you Larry. The Cowboys beat the Eagles pretty bad. They will play again next week against the Vikings. You're my buddy and all Larry, but I'm going to root for the Vikings next week. I've been following them this season and I'd like to see old Farve pull it off. Because you are rooting for the Cowboys I won't feel "too" bad if the Vikings loose.
I'd like to see Farve take the Vikings to the Superbowl. You know, the old Cinderella story. I'd actually like to see the Vikings or the Jets go all the way. We will see what happens Larry.
Jeff
Jeff Collins said...
I'd like to see Farve take the Vikings to the Superbowl. You know, the old Cinderella story. I'd actually like to see the Vikings or the Jets go all the way.
LT said...
Jeff,
If the Cowboys don't make the Superbowl I'll be rooting for Favre us old guys have to stick together. Dallas will definitely have to cowboy up next week. Favre is fortunate that he's not playing in Irving next week I think he's 0-9 in Texas Stadium
If we lived closer I would invite you over to watch the game. GO Cowboy’s!!!!!
LT said...
If we lived closer I would invite you over to watch the game. GO Cowboy’s!!!!!
Jeff said...
If we lived closer I'd take up your offer and come over and watch the game. Of course I would have to go to local NTCC and ask for forgiveness after the game was over. NOT!!!
Frankly after the way the Cowboys played last night, I think the Vikings have their work cut out for them.
Jeff
Anonymous said...
I was a sports jock.
Jeff said...
I was a jock also. I played all kinds of sports. I loved sports and totally gave up sports at the demand / request of my NTCC pastor. He taught that organized sports participation was not something that a Christian needed to be involved with if such a Christian wanted to consider himself or herself to be saved. PERIOD!!! No gray area and I remember quite clearly because I was on the softball team when I started going to the NTCC. Of course that ended.
It never ended for Kekel's son though. The Kekel's have lived according to a different set of standards all along then the vast majority of folks in the NTCC.
Well my little boy already has a better leg at kicking than just about any other boy his age that I've seen and at six he can shoot a pretty good basketball at a rim at regulation height; 10 feet.
Don't deprive your kids from sports participation NTCC folks. Why in the world would you anyway now that you know for certain that Kekel never deprived Grant from playing sports. And if you think Kekel was wrong for letting his son play organized sports then why in the world are you still following him? He is supposed to be your leader the last time that I checked?
You can hold on to those crazy NTCC rules and schedules if you want to while your kids miss out on their childhood but not me. Those days are over not to come back. My son and my daughters activities are just as important as yet another stale church service where some NTCC minister either screams at you or puts you to sleep for an entire service.
Oh I almost for got; you are sure to go to hell if you miss one of the 5 weekly services. Did you forget the scripture where it was written: Thou shalt in no wise miss one of the 5 weekly services or thou shalt surely be damned. Thou shalt in no wise play organized sports unless thou shalt be named Grant Kekel in which case the high priest (Mike Kekel) shalt offer an atonement for his sin.
The high priest (Mike Kekel) shalt spend no less than $20,000 a year as a sacrifice for his son's high school education as a sin offering cast for the sin of sport participation wherewith he hath participated in organized sports.
LOL!!!
Jeff
I'm so thankful that I didn't raise my kids in the ntcc. I can't even imagine telling either of my children sorry you can't play sports because pastor says it such a waste of time and if we don't obey pastor we will burn in Hell. Now let’s fast forward to the present. Kekel says that's not what pastor meant it was because blah blah blah... Cowboy up someone is lying like a rug.
I think the real reason that its acceptable now is because drum roll..
Kekel experience having a child for himself and nobody was going to dictate how his flesh and blood was going to be raised. Kekel is being rebellious according to the old law of ntcc.
Go Cowboys!!!
while attending church at the local level. We did play pick-up basketball game's,volleyball and even a game of softball.
After getting to Washington. Was not to long after that. RW Davis put a end to all sports activities at Servicemen's home's. Nor could they host a BBQ. Because supposedly he thought they would come just because of those reasons. And not just to hear Gods word!
What a bunch of crock!
Another change to happen. Basketball teams within the Church. One night a week will be basketball night. Soon they will have a coffee shop!
Whatever happened to that idea for a summer camp for the kids in ntcc?
BOOK REPORTS / BUSYNESS
I remember @ B.S. class or church seven nights a week (with two church service$ on Sunday$) and rdub got mad because some brothers had the nerve to toss a football around outside one afternoon at the dorms...
Oh, you're not busy enough? Let me see, says rdub, how about a book report--groan from the students... Rebellious, huh? How about two book reports--now you can hear a pin drop. And you can hear rdub thinking, i am gawd!
lying bastard-disown the heavenly father to lie like satan cause you don't know who your real daddy is; now that's a bastard.
now that grant's here it's scrimage for Jesus. Let's hoop it up...
double standard.
hypocrisy.
BitG
Anon said,
Whatever happened to that idea for a summer camp for the kids in ntcc?
January 10, 2010 7:30 PM
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Face it, unless grant wants it, it ain't gonna happen.
The whole youth camp thing was just more smoke and mirrors.
ntcc learned a long time ago they could hang a sign out front that would shelter them from taxes and give them license to run everything the way rdub said withou question.
Put up a cheap plywood sign that says you have a youth camp.
build a huge Ski-Lodge syle resort for verna and rdub to use, tax free, whenever they want; and let it sit empty the rest of the year.
have a fish pond stocked so you can have a fresh catfish fry when ever you roll into town with your $300,000 motor home or $70,000 cadillac. puttin' on the ritz country style.
pay more money for fish food for your stocked pond than for safety equipment to keep the brothers from falling off your buildings. probably any equipment they had was bought by some worker, not rdub or ntcc.
power and money and image.
build some cheap buildings and hold two mandatory conferences to make sure you fill your hotel$.
hide the gun collection you keep in the lodge so the insurance man won't raise the price on your policy==you liar.
it just goes on and on. lies. deceit. fraud. greed. selfishness. pride.
now can you remember the last time you sinned you liar? i bet it was today.
BitG
It is quite obvious that BitG has a very good understanding of RWD and how the NTCC works. When I read BitG's writings I understand exactly how he feels. It gets pretty disturbing when you see Kekel and RWD for what they really are.
I understand your passion BitG. Have a good one.
Jeff
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HOORAY. Hope you are curious folks. Folks who want to know before you go. Folks who want to know the true stories of life in the ntcc...
As you can see, truth is a rare commodity with the leadership of ntcc; they are sorely lacking in the truth department.
And as with all lies, the truth will come out.
ntcc is a cult. They use cult mind control techniques. They isolate cult members from family, friends, careers, education, and for many years public communication media from phones to t.v.s and innernet.
The ntcc leadership practice nepotism to gain wealth and comfort for their family members while requiring others to sacrifice.
ntcc leaders routinely preach one thing but live another thing (hypocrisy and double standards).
This blog and ntccXposed and Factnet have thousands of posts documenting these things summarized here.
Hope you avoid tragedy by not attending any ntcc associated with r w davis / Graham, Washington (state) or St. Louis, Missouri...
God is real.
There are plenty of real churches out there with real Christians serving Him out of LOVE.
Hope He leads you to one in your area.
Thanks for reading.
BitG
Jeff said,
I understand your passion BitG. Have a good one.
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Thanks Jeff.
There's so much I know about rdub and ntcc. But it takes time to get it all sorted out...
There are some truly gut-wrenching ugly things I've not yet shared.
I do know God sees it all. He won't forget. He will hold them to the same standard they held others to.
BitG
tieman and mckay got reamed in conference for letting the Colorado Springs church members and servicemen from the Big Red One (Ft. Riley, Kansas) play football on the Saturdays when they had 'fellowship' meetings.
i wonder if now that he's on the board tieman goes to grant's games?
did davey-o (tieman's son) get to play sports when he was growing up in the ntcc?
tieman, stop being so super-spiritual and kissin' up to rdub and get a clue; you putz!
More double standards.
BitG
Jeff,
How is it that the Church members get away with watching TV now? I asked my friends of mine in NTCC and they gave me a muddled answer!
BitG: You are welcome and thanks for what you've contributed. This blog is nothing without contributors. I certainly can't do it by myself. I created the medium and we all contribute. I simply got the idea from a WHOLE BUNCH of exNTCC bloggers who started exposing the NTCC way before I did. Vic Johanson, Casey Hayes, L. Travis, Mark G, D. Durek, The Pelfrey's and the list goes on and on and is extensive. CM has been a long contributor.
Oh the NTCC has been quite thoroughly exposed. It is just up to the people reading to accept the truth. If they did and they spread the word, the NTCC's doors would shut. People would put out the word in the surrounding communities and folks would stay away from the NTCC like a plague. That may never happen but I'm certainly trying to do my part as are you BitG.
Sincerely,
Jeff
Anonymous asked...
Jeff,
How is it that the Church members get away with watching TV now? I asked my friends of mine in NTCC and they gave me a muddled answer!
Jeff said...
I know NTCC church members who have been watching the TV all along. I know of one who has been watching the TV for at least a decade and quite likely longer. He pays his tithes and he is essentially left alone. When preaching about the subject occurs, he just brushes it off like it is nothing.
Kekel's son has been watching the TV for years and years. Watching a DVD is no different than watching the Beverly Hillbillies via public broadcasting. Going to one of Grant Kekel's football games and watching it is no different than watching a college football game or for that matter a pro football game. The are just different variations of the same event.
I used to go to conferences where pastors, ministers, and church members would sit and watch TV right in the motel lobby. There was obviously a significant group of NTCC folks who've been content to watch TV all along.
The NTCC just needs to get off that kick and stop being a double standard bunch of controlling hypocrites who want to micro manage your entire life. If some of the NTCC ultra conservative believe that watching TV is a sin then throw out your computers and or disconnect them from the internet, get rid of your DVD players and live "YOUR" life and stop trying to mandate that everyone else live life the same way.
If they think sports participation is a sin then certainly leave the NTCC because Mike Kekel has changed the whole game. Either that or they need to shut their mouths about sports and get with the "NEW" NTCC program that allows sports and TV, period. Oh and they need to stop preaching this women not working on a job, GARBAGE because they've been hypocritical while allowing certain pastors wives to work all along. This is a fact because someone who pastored in the NTCC told me his wife used to work while he was an NTCC pastor and she wasn't the only one and they did it with the leaderships knowledge and I speak the truth.
Jeff
anon Jan 10,
My husband and I used to play catch with the nerf or play frisbee in front of our apt and a lay pastor actually rebuked me and said he would never let his wife do that.
(He must of thought I threw better than him)
I'm just waiting for the saints and cardinals game next Sat.
Nicole said...
"a lay pastor actually rebuked me and said he would never let his wife do that."
Jeff said...
What a chauvinistic moron. I've gotten to a place where I can't stand folks with that kind of mentality. It really disgusts me that ever had anything to do with them. That is not Christianity at all. It's chauvinism plain and simple. Men and women may not be the same which they quite clearly are not, but what in the world does that have to do with throwing a Frisbee with your wife. NOTA. That whole NTCC mentality is one sick, twisted manipulation of minds.
I'll bet in hindsight you would have liked to tell that guy just to shut up!!!
That may be a real good game between the Saints and the Cardinals. The Cardinals just didn't show a lot of defense against Green Bay. That may have been the highest scoring game that I ever saw. It's good that you are looking forward to the game. I'll be that Tanya Kekel looked forward to Grants games which were a fringe benefit and part of his $20,000 a year education. It makes you sick to know that you contributed to that doesn't it?
Oh well, life goes on.
Jeff
But the point is, like you said, rdub is a hypocrite who does not hold himself to the same unforgiving standard to which he holds others.s
bitg....
the Bible says with what standard you judge by, you will be judged by that same standard mr. davis.
(He must of thought I threw better than him)
You probably DO throw better! LOL!
I wonder if Tanya is thought of as a woman of prayer and the WORD? Or the world? Is she looked at as an example of what?
A good subject to read is the life and ministry of John Alexander Dowie. There are many parallels to NTCC. The leader was a vociferous, commanding figure. Yet, toward the end he was very puffed up. His wife traveled the world with him and had the very finest of clothes, and items of the world. Yet the women at the compound, Zion City, IL. suffered with little or nothing. Dowie proclaimed himself the very "Elijah" in his noted "declaration" similar to the "first up before the throne" RW concept (thanks, G. Jordan, for the revelation!)
I love church history, it shows the high points and low points of what can happen. I asked RW (when I was teaching Church History) if I could take it up all the way thru the Pentecostal revival- and AOG and PCOG, etc.. (where NTCC derived its roots... ) he said NO!
BitG sounds like he has many years of experience with NTCC as DD does.
It is amazing how many Old School people are now coming forward.
Jeff,as far as women working while still in ntcc.
I just recently spoke with a lady still in ntcc. She was working as a single mother. Got remarried. But has still been working.
Her words,that is between me and God. When men get up there and preach right to her at time's. She brushes it off as wacky preachers. As if they don't know any better.
She also mentioned that folks should not have such high expectations of the men in ntcc. As if,rw is on the right hand of God!
Everyone thinks he is an apostle. Not to have high expectations!
Nor should folks focus on the compromise in ntcc. But focus on God. Yeah right. We should just acknowledge that these so called men of God. Are HYPOCRITES. Those same hypocrites your following,letting preach to you. Are full of compromise and LIE's!
Why do these people always find a excuse for ntcc. Like I said,it is like an abusive relationship. Until they are ready to acknowledge that by staying in ntcc it is not Good for them. They will stay there and keep there Really Big Blinders on!
CM
I will continue to be on your Blog Jeff. Or anyone else's if they start up a blog. ntcc is going to be exposed.
Forgiving them and allowing them to continue there destruction. Are two completely different subjects! I hold no resentment against ntcc. I stayed in,mostly out of fear and being stubborn. But I did stay in.
I am not going to sit by and not help others avoid there doors. I can not allow my fellow servicemen and women get swindled into believing there crap. There FAKE love and caring. It is all a fake front. Get you in,and then your Stuck. Thinking your where God wants you. NO WAY does God want you in a cult! So many of gotten out and still gone on and worked for God. he has used them so much more mightier then ever!
Folks in ntcc,your not broke because of poor choice's. You do not have a nice place to live because your not a Leader! Your children hardly ever see you,your wife knows she is second fiddle to the ministry!
God does use circumstances to get you out of the ntcc cult. He did us!
So if you feel like your drowning. That your misreable and do not know why. I am tossing you a life perserver. Jump off the ship! You are NOT LEAVING God if you leave ntcc. I don't even think God is in ntcc.
I am not good at remember exact Bible stories. I know there was a man that went into battle thinking God was with him. And he was not.
Samething with ntcc. They THINK they got God in there Bussiness. But they do not!
CM
Jeff said,
"While the rest us were listening to preaching directed against sports, Mike Kekel was enrolling his son in basketball and football."--Jeff
BitG says,
Right. Repetition is a good teacher.
kekel does what he wants. While he and his father-in-law rw davis preach against sports for you and yours, kekel and rdub make sure grant (rdub's grandson) gets every thrill and enjoyment this world has to offer, sports included.
While they bully you and yours into sacrificing and working 24-7 for them they take off for vacations to Disney World and Bluegrass Festivals.
While you scrimp and save for another pack of ramen noodles, they hop in the Cadillac, drive the gas-guzzler the forty something miles to Seatlle and dine at the Space Needle ($$$$).
While you answer to their every megalomaniacal whim and demand, they flit about as free as woodland fairies, laughing along the way: "Ha, ha, ha! Ain't life grand when you are part of the house of DeVil (davis + kekel)???"
"All you serfs, you better obey your masters or face eternal damnation! You can't let let your little Jonny play sports. Because he might be better at it than grant. Couldn't have the grandson of the grand high poobah shown up by a mere vassal; now could we?"
And on it goes.
Another day. Another dollar from you to their lavish sinful lives.
Deep funding them. They will thank you for it by kicking you out on the street like so much garbage. They will use you like a irty dish rag. Or a diaper.
Keep up the good work.
grant needs another sports car so he can drive to the after the game party ...
BitG
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