I Would Like To Wish Everyone A Merry Christmas And Leave This Message

I hope that everyone has a merry, peaceful, prosperous, and productive Christmas.

I wish that the NTCC leadership would stop being hypocritical while placing restrictions on their people that the leadership has no intention on following themselves. I hope that the NTCC leadership develops enough decency that they stop using their people for no more than gain.

Luke 2:14 - Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. If the NTCC leadership could learn to follow this principle, and teach themselves to render "good will toward men", they would totally change the way the do business and rapidly attempt to contact and apologizes to all the people that they've wrongfully used over the years; which is essentially everyone.

They would apologizes to the couples who's marriages they've ruined and destroyed. They would apologize to the ministers who they've wrongfully guilt tripped while driving them into poverty and exhaustion. They would apologize to all the people who they've wrongfully ridiculed, humiliated, mistreated and unnecessarily embarrassed for no other reason than to show an authoritarian use of power from behind the pulpit. For the most part, the NTCC leadership has done everything over the years other than show "good will toward men", and as a result they've totally missed the true meaning of Christianity and Christmas, and they've hardly fulfilled what the Bible teaches that Christ came to accomplish. There is no Biblical record of Christ or his Apostles striving for nothing other than the accumulation of real-estate which has been the obvious goal and objective of RWD / the NTCC all along. RWD and Mike Kekel have practiced "good will toward themselves" in everything they've done, hence the evidence of a list being created indicating who would come and clean Kekel's house next; just for starters.

Jeff Collins

There Will Be Comment Moderation Periodically From This Point Forward

An extremely crafty computer guru has invaded this blog. Who ever it is seems to know quite a bit about computers and web hosting. The individual is probably someone who the NTCC has paid or possibly someone in the NTCC who is quite educated on computers, networking, web hosting and so on. Needless to say this individual has found ways to disrupt this blog and does so on a daily basis.

As a result I have no other alternative but to go back to comment moderation so I can more effectively block the individuals sorry infected messages. It is amazing what levels NTCC sympathizers and flunkies will stoop to in order to continue their crooked agenda. I will post your comments in a timely fashion. The recent comments section is down and I've yet to figure out how to resolve the problem. The problem occurred when I clicked on the crooks comment to find out what thread it was a part of. I'm pretty crafty at computers myself but this crook is craftier.

This blog will remain as a testament to the NTCCs ability to change its color like a chameleon, while having made the lives of it's members and ministers miserable for years. Thanks NTCC for all the memories.

Above is a picture of me,

Jeff

Intentionally Misunderstood

The NTCC leadership commonly teaches that many ex-members are hateful and bitter. The NTCC leadership says that we bash their church. In the process of making these claims, they suggest that rather than bashing their church, we should pray for them.

That sounds real spiritual and all, but there is one big problem, and it is once again a typical example of an NTCC double standard. I have heard NTCC ministers, one right after another bash and discredit virtually every other Christian denomination in existence, (other than the NTCC). How come NTCC ministers don't practice what they preach and just pray for all the other quote "Christians" in this world instead of always verbally bashing them and calling them names, (which they regularly do)? I know why. Because the NTCC considers virtually every other "Christian" denomination in existence a cult.

NTCC ministers say that they need to warn their members of all the false teachings that exists throughout the Christian church world. NTCC ministers claim that when a church qualifies as a cult, that justifies all their name calling and the quote, "bashing" (as they say), that they regularly throw at almost every Christian denomination other than their own.

Well guess what NTCC folks? That is exactly why this blog exists, and that is exactly why I warn as many people as I can to stay away from the NTCC. You guys consider other churches to be cults, and I consider the NTCC an extremely destructive cult. So consequently NTCC folks can stop trying to be all religious and spiritual and they can stop telling folks like me that I should quote, "get over it and stop bashing their church." I think NTCC folks have intentionally replaced the word "warning" with the word "bashing", to suit their own crooked agenda, hence the title of this thread.

When NTCC ministers and members stop bashing virtually every other church, (which won't ever happen), then I will stop warning people about the NTCC. Practice what you preach you bunch of self righteous hypocrites. When is the last time you prayed for the Jehovah's Witnesses, and the Seventh Day Adventists, and the Catholics, and the Presbyterians, and the Baptists and so on. Well I see the NTCC as no better than any of them and in many cases I see the NTCC as being much worse. I've heard NTCC ministers call every one of those churches every name in the book, and there certainly wasn't any praying going on while they were doing it.

Jeff

Inappropriate Material

Someone has been posting some rather inappropriate material on this blog and I wish they would stop. I'm not interested in finding sexually associated posts on this blog with links to images of nudity. I'm also not interested in information about sexual stimulants or other such drugs.

I have systematically deleted each post containing such material and now I feel the need to express my disapproval. Whoever it is that is creating such posts should find another forum with which to share such material because it is obvious that they don't intend to stop. I will continue to delete your posts so please stop wasting the time that it takes to create them. Anonymous, you are obviously obsessed with this type of information and I'm sure you can find other websites which more accurately fall in line with your passions.

The saddest part about this is that the person posting all this stuff is quite possibility an NTCC sympathizer desiring to do no more than ambush and disrupt this blog. People who are for this blog wouldn't waste their time posting that garbage and the vast majority of folks that I know who aren't for this blog are pro-NTCCers. I know of one possible exception to that rule and I certainly hope it is not him. Whoever it is, is obsessed with disrupting this blog because I've repeatedly had to delete this trash. Please stop because you are doing no more than wasting your time and the few seconds that it takes me to delete your posts.

Jeff

The Day That God Made A Mistake While Creating the Bible, Proverbs Chapter 31

Well let me clarify. God made a mistake according to the NTCC's teachings. RWD and his yes men would be much better off if Proverbs Chapter 31 didn't even exist and I will prove my statement with examples below.

Proverbs 31:10-27 10: Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. 11: The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. 12: She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life. 13: She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands.14: She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar. 15: She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens. 16: She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard. 17: She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms. 18: She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night. 19: She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff. 20: She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy. 21: She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet. 22: She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple. 23: Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. 24: She maketh fine linen, and selleth it; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. 25: Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come. 26: She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness. 27: She looketh well to the ways of her household, and eateth not the bread of idleness.

Now we will look at some of these scriptures and compare them to the NTCCs teachings and better yet, compare them to the NTCCs proven example.

Look at verse 11. Tell me of one NTCC husband who trusts in his wife so, that he would have no need of spoil? NTCC husbands don't allow their wives to make any "real" decisions or do anything else for that matter that actually contributes to the families monitory livelihood other than sort through coupons. NTCC wives aren't allowed make any real contributions so what would the husband be trusting in that he would have no need of spoil?

Look at verse 14. She doesn't bring anything from "afar" because her NTCC husband wouldn't hardly let her leave town without him even if we didn't have local grocery stores. NTCC husbands generally don't allow their woman to go anywhere far away without the two being together. As a couple they don't even go far away very often, other than conference. NTCC women can forget about going "afar" and certainly not to make any contribution for the needs of the family.

Verse 16. What NTCC woman buys anything other than groceries and clothing? We are not talking about Tanya Kekel. The NTCC absolutely doesn't promote women buying anything that would even remotely equate to land or property. No NTCC women are going to be allowed to buy a "field" because NTCC men are taught that the women are incapable and it is not their place to make decisions such as that. Show me one NTCC married woman who has ever been "allowed" to even suggest that a house or land be purchased for the purpose of bringing revenue to the family? Throw Proverbs 31:16 in the trash NTCC because you are definitely not using that scripture and you totally teach the contrary. You don't "trust" woman enough to buy land hence my claim that you don't advocate the use of verse 11 with the word "trust".

Verse 17. Strengtheneth her arms? How do you strengtheneth your arms whey you spend the majority of time around the house? They wouldn't need to focus so much of their attention and place nearly as much emphases on all these workout plans, and all these different diets, and all these different exercises if they just worked instead of just hanging around the house as much as the NTCC requires! It's the NTCC who puts so many restrictions on women because half of these women had careers before they entered the NTCC. I've heard it said in the NTCC that women are for cooking, cleaning and having sex. Oh did I say that? RWD couldn't possibly see women as being only good for those three uses or could he? So much for Proverbs 31.

Verse 18. "Her" merchandise? You've got to be kidding me. What merchandise do NTCC woman have? Other than Tanya Kekel NTCC women don't lay claim to much of anything. Most NTCC women don't even have their "OWN" car. My wife has her own car and she needs it to get back and forth to the school where she teaches the children. She also has a new car because my families safety is extremely important to me and many of the newer cars are "way" safer than the old ones because many have side curtain airbags, vehicle stability control, side impact door beams, crumple zones and active headrests that reduce or eliminate the chances of whiplash. My wifes new car received the highest test ratings in all categories and buddy you best believe that my families safety is of the utmost importance to me. The fact that they are far safer has been proven, and you can find the data if you read the crash test reports online published by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety. My wife is not just some second class citizen in our family and she should have her own car rather than be in a position to only use mine when I'm not.

Verse 20. Give to the poor? You've got to be kidding me again. NTCC women aren't allowed to make such decisions as giving anything to the poor and incidentally the NTCC doesn't even advocate giving to the poor. They give to the rich and namely the Kekel family or have you forgot the 39acres, the fat house, the huge guitar collection, Grant's expensive education and on and on and on. The NTCC doesn't hardly give squat to the poor and if they did the "women" wouldn't have anything to do with it. Throw verse 20 out the door because according to the NTCC, God got that one totally wrong.

Verse 21. All her household clothed with scarlet? Please, they are all clothed with bargain store, value village, second hand clothing because the NTCC won't let her work and help like Proverbs 31 teaches. I've seen too many NTCC folks living way below the poverty level and doing all this cloth swapping and value village shopping. Unfortunately I know what I'm talking about. My wife and I recently bought our son and daughter the best running shoes that we could find which fit them correctly. The shoes were anything but cheap and that is only the case because we are no longer guilt tripped out of working when work is available. My wife has a bachelors degree that "was" going completely to waste while we were in the NTCC. I'm no longer interested in hearing that the only way I should ever accumulate money is to bleed my future church members after I've sent about 50% to Graham Washington or stuck it in some escrow account that I have no control over.

Verse 23. The NTCC husband certainly isn't known because of his wife because women are considered nobodies in the NTCC. What NTCC husband is known because of his wife in the NTCC? NONE!!! Women are know because of their husbands in the NTCC as long as their husband is a yes man or related to RWD, Olson or Johnson. Throw verse 23 in the trash because God got it all wrong.

VERSE 24. Here is the big one which is why I made it red and all caps. NTCC women ain't selling jack or trading with any merchants because the NTCC has taught for years that "women" can't have a job. Trading and selling and "DELIVERING" is the same as having a job the last time I checked. God you should have stopped at chapter 30. The NTCC teaches that you had it all wrong when you decided to go ahead with chapter 31. Bad God. You need to see RWD immediately and explain to him how it is that you think a woman can even be considered virtuous if she has a job like you talked about in verse 24. Respectfully, God knows.

Verse 26. Openeth her mouth with wisdom? The NTCC doesn't think so. Maybe if her name is Tanya Kekel because there aren't too many other NTCC woman who's opinion even matters or is considered. NTCC woman, go to RWD and see if he lets you teach in the school of rules along with Tanya? If he won't, see if he will let you trade, sell and deliver anything and see if he even thinks it's your place to do so? Tell him he should at least listen to your opinion because the Bible says in Proverbs 31 that a virtuous woman has wisdom. See where that gets you? What you are not a virtuous woman? Do you have no self esteem? Has the NTCC broken your will? Is Tanya considered the only virtuous women in the NTCC who can work and has wisdom? These are valid questions.

I've written some of this to show some obvious sarcasm toward the NTCC but I've written none of it as a mere joke. My statements are so true it's sickening. NTCC Women: You can either consider what I've written and do something about it, or remain a door mat for your narcissistic husbands and RWD. Either God was right with Proverbs chapter 31 and the NTCC has it totally wrong or visa verse but you can't have it both ways. I will go with Proverbs chapter 31 so women; let the selling, trading, and distributing begin and start to realize that you are worth more and meant for more than just cooking, cleaning, and having SEX. If you NTCC women believe that you were created for no other purpose than to cook, clean and have sex then just continue to get on the list to clean Mike Kekel's house and do his dirty laundry. Make sure you fold his underwear real good. I'm being so blunt in an attempt to get some folks attention, because women are throughly held back in the NTCC. NTCC women aren't even given the option of meeting Gods qualifications of what the Bible calls "virtuous". The NTCC has placed too many restrictions on their women, so throw Proverbs 31 out the door, because it doesn't apply in the NTCC.

Sincerely,

Jeff Collins

Thanksgiving Is Almost Here And I Have Many Reasons To Be Thankful

It has been almost two years since my wife and I decided to leave the NTCC and life has been great. All the stories told by NTCC pastors about how we would be cursed if we left the NTCC have proven to be false, or more appropriately put, lies. We have greater financial stability, more family time, and no perpetual guilt trips to deal with just because I've decided to be responsible, work on a job, and provide for my family the way the bible teaches us. Of course the NTCC leadership doesn't want you to work if your work interferes with their vast array of church functions. Mayers used to rip and blast a brother because he had to work on Saturday. Mayers and many other NTCC ministers didn't and don't care if a brother and his family didn't pay their bills, went completely broke and without food as long as they attended soul winning and every other church function offered.

These NTCC crooks have proved by their very actions that they don't care about you or your family. All they care about is having one more warm body to fill their pews so their report can look just a little better. Why else would they tell you not to work when your boss has directed you to, and not only that you need to work because you are about broke. What kind of sorry advise is that to get from your pastor?

Well I'm thankful that God gave me enough sense to see through their trickery so I could "effectively" do what I should have been doing all along; making sure my family is taken care of. I gave up some really good job opportunities when I was in Atlanta just because of my blind loyalty to the NTCC. When I was in Atlanta I did everything in my power no to work on Tues, Thur, Fri, Sat, and Sun past 5pm. That very fact reduced my income potential significantly and all for what? So more of the money that I did make could wind up in the Kekel estate? So that the people that I brought out to church could get ran off by a bully preacher?

It was a total waste of time to bring someone to church in Atlanta or Columbus. Mayers was an ineffective bully and Oberhauser was just an ineffective want to be bully. Hunt was a pretty good guy but he was totally blinded the NTCCs yes men mentality which he clearly possessed. Hunt would do good to leave the NTCC and start his very own church if he wants to remain a pastor because he ain't doing squat for God in the NTCC.

Yes I have much to be thankful for and I thank God that I am out of that crooked organization called the NTCC.

Jeff

The New York Yankees Have Won The World Series

I'm from New York and I enjoyed the outcome of this World Series. We don't have cable, (because we live too far out in the country, cable is not offered and I don't like satellite) so I didn't get to watch game 6. I did however follow the game on the internet. While in the NTCC I wouldn't have even followed the series because we were taught by our sorry NTCC leaders not to follow sports, period! We adhered to these directives only to find out that Mike Kekel's son had been participating in organized sports such as basketball and football all along. What a slap in the face because I'm sure that RWD knew about it and he and Kekel are both hypocrites. I'm sure other NTCC ministers knew of such information as well. You guys are some sick demented individuals who teach such things while all along knowing about your leader, (Mike Kekel) and the lifestyle that his family leads.

It's not as though there is anything wrong with sport participation but we were simply being obedient to our NTCC leaders when we were taught not to have any involvement with sports. I heard this stuff preached by virtually every NTCC pastor that I ever had numbering 6 pastors. These guys are actually not pastors which is why I always make the "p" lower case, but rather misguided control mongers and hypocrites. Now Kekel says that sports participation is all right and there is nothing wrong with wearing the quote "lascivious" uniforms worn while playing in such sports.

To all six of my NTCC pastors: Thanks you bunch of jerks for deceitfully influencing folks to rob their children of such activities while all along you knew that Kekel's kid wasn't being robbed of anything say no less sports participation.

Oh by the way; I prayed, (like Mike Kekel) and it seemed good to the Lord that I get cable as soon as it is offered in my area. Even though I don't like it, maybe I will get satellite first, that way I can actually watch the next world series game. Hey Mike Kekel says that it "seems good to the Lord" to give him permission to change every NTCC rule that he can think of, so why not me also, especially now that I don't have to answer to those crooks anymore.

Jeff

Trick And Treat NTCC Style

The five pictures are NTCC soul winners knocking at your door, an NTCC minister out soul winning, RWDs house, an NTCC ministers house, and the NTCC trick bag.

Most U.S. citizens understand the term "Trick or Treat". Trick-or-treating is a custom for children on Halloween. Children proceed in costume from house to house, asking for treats such as candy, or sometimes money, with the question, "Trick or treat?" The "trick" is an idle threat to perform mischief on the homeowners or their property if no treat is given.

In the NTCC it is a custom for so called "soul winners" to proceed in costume from house to house inviting people to their church. NTCC soul winning and trick or treating are the complete opposite, but not because of reasons that you might think. When a trick or treater comes to your door, you give what would generally be a child a treat, (usually in the form of candy) and they go on their way with no intention to play a trick on you. The difference is, when an NTCC soul

"snatcher" comes to your door, they ask you to allow them to "treat" you to one of their church services only to "trick" you once you attend. That my friends is why I titled this thread, "Trick and Treat". When you give them their treat, (you attending their church service so they can seem like some great soul winner to their pastor and win the sorry soul winning contest) you wind up getting tricked.

They duck and dodge every question about their doctrine, dress codes, lifestyle, what their true intentions are and what their church is all about. They gradually but quite essentially trick you into continual church attendance, for the sake of easing you unknowingly into unwavering loyalty to their leadership and a complete change in lifestyle that in many cases can not be backed by the bible. This is all done with the explicit intent not to get you to become loyal to God, (because they actually don't want that) but to become unequivocally loyal to their leadership regardless of your God given convictions and regardless of what is morally and ethically right. This is where the tricks come in and they really are tricks. They play tricks on you to test your loyalty. I know of a pastor by the name of Mayers who openly stated during church service, that he would have his wife get up at 2 or 3 in the morning just to fix him a cup of coffee as a means to test her loyalty and submissiveness. What kind of crazy trick is that for NTCC ministers to teach?? NTCC pastors are notorious for saying something humiliating or embarrassing to you just to test your reaction and loyalty. What kind of trick is that??? The NTCC leadership is notorious for having their ministers, (other than Kekel) pack up their bags and move at the drop of a dime, regardless of the consequences for no other reason than to test their loyalty to the leadership, because it certainly has nothing to do with their loyalty to God.

The NTCC is so thoroughly full of tricks that it is absolutely sickening. I would gladly receive a group of harmless Halloween Trick or Treaters at my door any day rather than a group of NTCC soul snatchers who are anything but harmless, and who can thoroughly mess up and ruin your life just to leave you in much need of major repair. Where is the real evil?

Trick or Treaters of NTCC soul snatchers? I've witness so many lives get messed up by the NTCC that I am absolutely certain of the answer and it ain't the trick or treaters. Buddy the NTCC is a down right evil organization and I know. I am an eye witness to all their shenanigans. Beware, leave while you can! There is testimony after testimony of lives becoming totally messed up by the NTCC. You will waist more time and more opportunities in life messing with the NTCC than you can possibly imagine, just to try and pick up the pieces later. Enter their doors if you dare.

Jeff

Why Do So Many NTCC Pastors Drive A Car That Is A Complete Piece Of Junk?

I was just talking to friend who is also an exNTCCer, and we began to get into a discussion about automobiles. As we discussed this topic we began to remember instances of NTCC pastors driving vehicles that were complete, unreliable pieces of garbage. Why? I know that for years RWD has taught that it is a complete waist of money to buy new vehicles because of depreciation.

Well I have a Toyota Corolla that I bought brand new, which now has very close to 300,000 miles on it. It is in very nice shape, original engine and transmission both of which are very strong with never a leak from either. Do you think I got my money out of it? Who ever thinks I haven't is an idiot. I got free oil changes from the dealership for the first 200,000 miles every three thousand miles. That is almost a $1700 savings right there. The car has never broke down on me ONE TIME.

What is my point here? I can't tell you how many times I've seen an NTCC pastor with an old broke down vehicle that they bought used. Transmission problems, electrical problems and on and on and on. What is peace of mind worth to someone? Why did NTCC pastors have to be so broke that they could only afford to drive an old vehicle that had more mechanical problems than sewer has rats. Just about every NTCC pastor that I ever had owned a piece of junk. I would say everyone but I don't remember out of the six what the second one drove. All the rest had junk. I don't remember any of them with a vehicle that just didn't have any problems. I'm not talking small stuff, I'm talking major stuff. I can remember three of them right off the top of my head who had vehicles with transmission problems and buddy that is a problem. Can you spell tow truck and junk yard?

I know why they drove junk. Because the NTCC kept them with a poor house mentality. They drove junk and thought little of it because a substantial number of their comrades drove junk and it simply seemed good to them. It became the standard or the norm, and buying a new car was taboo in the NTCC. Don't get me wrong; there is nothing wrong with buying a good used car but the junk that I saw these NTCC pastors driving took it to a whole different level. Prove that I'm lying and I'll pull this whole thread down and delete it. Folks driving 3 and 4 hundred$ sweat boxes with no AC while poor little Joey (who didn't ask to be in his predicament) rides in the back drenched in his own sweat. You treat your own family and children like that? I'm glad I'm not your kid. If you would just stop for a moment and think about what I'm writing you could change but the NTCC has your brain so far up in the clouds that you've never come back down to earth, so just keep DOGGING our your own family while you do no more than take care of Kekel's. Once again RWD was riding fat while the whole time half of his ministers or more were riding on no more than the hope that their piece of junk wouldn't break down before they got to their next location. Unfortunately their cars often did break down with no hope of repair and the end result was yet another piece of junk towed to the junk yard while RWD and the Kekel were both riding fat.

Well baby I still drive my ever reliable Corolla with nice cold AC, and a Camry that I picked up which runs quite nicely, (nothing wrong with having three cars; my daughter is getting ready to start driving anyway) and my wife drives around in a brand new 2009 with factory Pioneer sound, MP3 and ipod connections built in, tire pressure monitoring system, vehicle stability control, traction control, 4 wheel anti lock breaks with electronic brake force distribution and brake assist, with front and side curtain airbags, fog lamps and projector beam head lights to see good at night while driving on these dark country roads. Safety baby, and my wife and kids deserve nothing less. Air so cold it will blow you right out. There are no guarantees in life but at least I know that I put my best foot forward in trying to keep my family safe on these busy roads. Insurance Institute for Highway Safety Top Pick and number one in Consumer Reports for reliability. Another brand new car built by the wonderful Toyota Motor Corporation. You can buy those old junk gas guzzling Cadillac's that were built by bankrupt GMC who had to get about three bailouts if you want to just so you can impress old RWD. I'll try to put yet another $300,000 miles on my TOYOTA and it will probably still out last your Cadillac. You can have your loving family and kids running around in an unsafe pile of junk if you want to while RWD is riding fat but as for me and more specifically my family, they deserve better than that. If it is good enough for the Davis's and Kekel's, it's good enough for my family. I'm talking about having nice stuff. If you don't think your family deserves nice stuff like RWD and the Kekel's that is your problem.

Unfortunately it is ultimately your wife and kids who are suffering while the Kekel's pockets just get fatter and while GK get's more nice things daily. I saw the pictures of Kekel's house on his website; real nice. You can't fault the man for making sure his family is taken care of and he doesn't care what he has to do to make it happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the guy fleeces the sheep and he twist things all around to fit his agenda but he's got his family living good while a good bunch of his ministers have been driving pieces of JUNK for years and getting their families stranded. I'll bet GK has never been stranded? I'll bet Tanya has never been stranded? Come on now; can I "really" blame Kekel for taking "real good" care of his family just because I'm too blind to stop filling his pockets while mine are empty? GK has everything; the best education (about $20.000 a year), great sports participation which builds competitiveness, the nicest electronics, a foosball table, basket ball court, ping pong table, trips to Canada; man the list must go on and on and maid service compliments of NTCC wives which put their name on a never ending list to go and clean the Kekels house and do their laundry and pick their weeds. Wow, wow, wow!!!! How does it feel to get pimped? I'm done with it. Now I take care of my family and if I have to work extra hours to make it happen then so be it and I don't have to worry about some NTCC crook like Kekel laying some guilt trip on me because I work a lot of hours to take care of my family. If I die today, my family is WELL taken care of, BELIEVE IT!!!

Crooks or not, the Kekels aren't hurting for anything and they've "never" had to worry about where their next dollar was going to come from. How many of you NTCC ministers can make that claim? Some but few. You will never stop worrying about money and your old broke down car, as long as the only thing that you ever work for is RWD's organization because it's not Gods organization. Remember the 39 acres baby. Chances are if you don't marry into wealth in the NTCC, you'll be driving a old broke down car like just about every NTCC pastor that I ever had. Start taking care of your family and stop allowing the NTCC's ridiculous schedule to prevent you from doing it. If you don't provide for your own and especially for those of your own house, the Bible says you are worse than an infidel. You can think you are saved if you want but the Bible tells a different story my friend. I would rather die with fat pockets having worked for a living and risk going to hell then die having not taken care of my family and guarantee that hell is where I'm headed because according to the Bible I'm worse than an infidel.

You're going to heaven hey? Only if Paul didn't have it right with Timothy about you being worse than an infidel in 1Tim 5.8. How in the world are you going to heaven if you are worse than an infidel? NTCC folks are going to see a whole bunch of hard working folks in heaven, who made an "HONEST" living here on earth while they themselves are cast out because they let the NTCC play them like Old Sammy the Sausage Head. Old Willie Nillie sitting back broke while the Kekels pockets just get fatter off of all your long years of hard work. Ha!!!

Jeff

The NTCCs Bag Of Tricks.

I person who posts here and goes by the screen name "blovd" posted this message in the previous thread and I responded. I though it was good enough to stick on the front.

blovd wrote...

I was told once when I went to visit a relative that was in ICU, that I was hindering the work of God, because they needed me in the church to do the things that I had done always like teach the kids, clean the church, go soul-winning, go visit during the week, attend prayers meetings.

Jeff wrote...

And that is the NTCCs favorite set of tricks. It's actually moderately complex. The reason NTCC pastors act like that is ultimately because of RWD. For years he has brought heat upon his pastors. The end result is whats known as "poop flowing downhill". Trick #1. RWD knows and has known for years that if he places enough heat under his pastors they will in turn put heat under their church members hence, "poop flowing downhill". All an NTCC pastor cares about is his report. If the pastor doesn't figure out how to boost the figures on his report, he won't last long or he won't remain a pastor long.

As the higher leadership puts heat under the pastors butt, the pastor puts heat on his congregation. If the money and numbers don't rise, the heat rises right under your butt. NTCC pastors generally don't care about your life and that fact has been proven time and time again. They could care less about your parents, children, aunts, uncles, etc. All they care about is money and numbers because that's what RWD has taught for years. Trick #2. RWD uses money and number as the litmus test. It's actually not a totally bad indicator except that RWD and his henchmen don't even care what means or methods a pastor uses to get the "money and numbers", hence Ron Denis!!!!!! RWD thought Denis was the greatest while the money and numbers were there, but the proof is in the pudding my friend and we know how the game ended. Strike Three, Your OUT!!!

If you going to see someone in ICU means less money or numbers for the pastor then the pastor will try to prevent you from going by using the method of "guilt tripping". Trick #3. They consistently try to make you feel like you are "neglecting God". And that my friends is Trick #4!!!! This is the exact point where we all got brainwashed. It happened right at (Trick #4).

Generally NTCC pastors could care less about your quality of life as long as your life is totally given for the furtherance of their agenda. If your plans don't line up with their agenda then they routinely put the heat on you or RWD and Olson will put the heat on them!!! It's just that simple and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Gods agenda. It's the truth.

Summery. Trick #1; poop flowing down hill (put the heat on). Trick #2; money, numbers and the (REPORT). Trick #3; guilt trip your church members. Trick #4; convince your church members they are neglecting GAWWWWWD in everything they do which goes right in line with trick #3. The Big Brainwash!!!!!!!

Jeff

What Kind Of Church Are You A Part Of?

Attached below is a link that pdq posted within the previous thread. It is a link to a test entitled "$uper Apostle Detector". I think this test tells quite a bit about any church obviously including the NTCC. I'm not usually a fan or at all interested in these kind of tests but I actually thought this one was good. Just take the test and see what you come up with. It's not very long, and it should only take about 3 to 5 minutes. The key to this test is that you must be honest while answering all of the questions. I personally though all but a few of the questions were quite good. I'm interested in hearing some responses concerning your test results. The hyperlink is posted directly below, just click on it and the test should come right up.

http://www.cultwatch.com/SuperApostleDetector.html?x=82&y=44

Take care,

Jeff

Raise Your Hands And Worship The Lord?

A loyal blogger here that goes by the screen name (CM or Christian Mom) wrote this in a previous thread: "New thread idea's for you Jeff. The raising of the hands as soon as RW or someone says's Lets Have Church!"

Well I thought that was a good idea for a topic. I was a song leader while with the NTCC and of course between each song everyone was prompted to raise their hands and worship the Lord. Service would always start out that way as well. I must have made that statement about 5000 or 10,000 times, "Why don't we raise our hand and worship God."

As time went on, I realized that the practice of raising our hands and hollering out to the Lord had become nothing more than a heartless ritual. With their hands raised, half the people didn't say anything and the other half said the same things more often than not, over and over. We would sing a song and then after the song, "raise your hands and worship God", and then we would sing another song and immediately after "raise your hands and worship God", and then after the preaching, "raise your hands and worship God", or the preacher would get physically exhausted because of all his yelling during the service and to give himself a break he would say, "raise your hands and worship the Lord".

What was really happening there folks? Was that practice truly spiritual or had it become merely a learned ritual? I would say the latter for certain. I would periodically glance at the congregation between songs and some folks would be just looking at me with their hands raised, others would have their hands raised with a grimace on their face like they were getting ready to give birth, others would be screaming and hollering the same words over and over and yet others would be doing absolutely nothing but looking very uncomfortable. I went to visit Barnes church in Mississippi on a few occasions and his congregation had essentially discontinued the practice of raising their hands between songs or before service. I'm not a big fan of Barnes or any other NTCC pastor for that matter, but I can understand why Barnes would have decided not to make the raising of hands a ritual in his church.

The point I'm making here is that many of the NTCC ritualistic practices were fake as the day is long. For example, NTCC pastors would stand up behind the pulpit and get all excited while screaming, spitting, blowing and crying service after service. It was more often than not nothing but a show. Mayers would do it constantly and Oberhauser didn't even start doing it until right before we left the NTCC. It was obvious that it wasn't easy for Oberhauser to get all excited but he would try his best to make it happen. To the left is good image depicting NTCC preachers as they got themselves all worked up behind the pulpit while quite often verbally abusing and mistreating their congregations. I'm confident that you can figure out what species of animal that is because there is no better animal and probably no better picture that could effectively and accurately depict an abusive NTCC preacher.

The fact is, the NTCC was very often just as fake and overly charismatic as the Pentecostal church that the NTCC regularly spoke against. That was certainly an example of the pot calling the kettle black.

Jeff

The NTCC Is So Hypocritical

Someone from the NTCC (no doubt a minister) had come on this blog and attempted to put me down because I previously sold new Toyota's for a living. The individual made it clear that (auto sales) is commonly understood by the NTCC to be a dishonorable profession. LD Jones told me right before service one evening that a Christian had no business selling cars because that is what I was doing at the time. Bro. Bentley told me on one occasion that NTCC ministers were not authorized to serve in any sales positions and he made it clear that RWD thought such professions to be dishonorable. RWD took a crack at car salesmen right here in Columbus during a church service and his pastors were up front laughing because they knew that I was a salesman, and I was sitting in the back. Well I'm getting ready to have the last laugh but unfortunately what I'm getting ready to write is actually not funny at all.

Lo and behold, just today, I saw an individual right here in Columbus, Georgia who I'd previously known from the NTCC. We went to church together. He was driving an older model Toyota Camry. Guess who sold it to him? The local NTCC pastor. Of course that is actually no big deal, but it is either wrong to sell cars or it's not. Not only that, the guy told me about how much he is spending on the car and he is paying his pastor approximately two times what the car is actually worth. That's right, the brother got anything but a good deal and I know because I previously sold cars for a living. Apparently the brother had to take out some kind of loan which didn't help matters. The pastor had purchased the car and he decided not to keep it according to the brother.

Let's assume the pastor paid two or three times what the car is actually worth when he bought it. If that was the case should the brother pay at least twice what the car is worth just so the pastor could get his money back? The brother that I'm talking about has virtually NO experience buying cars anyway and I know that for a fact. The dude just got his license. Let's assume the pastor paid half or one third what the brother is paying for the car. That would mean the brother is being knocked in the head. That's what it is called when a dealer makes a whole bunch of gross profit on a vehicle sale. Which ever the case the brother is not getting a good deal at all but to the contrary. Used cars have a lot of mark up above and beyond what the car is actually worth and this is especially the case on less expensive cars between $1000 and $5000. For example it is a bad deal if you pay $7000 for a car that books for $3500. For the record these figures are not what the brother paid but I just used them as examples. I stayed away from used cars for that very reason. We regularly showed folks what the book value was on vehicles that they were trading. The brother should have been able to get the car for not one dime more than half of what he said he is paying for it and actually less than half if you really look at the book value which is what I just looked at this evening. If there is any doubt in anyones mind that I know what I'm talking about, I looked in the brothers window and quite clearly saw the odometer which allowed me to pull up the book value this evening. In my book the brother got took. How did you like that rhyme?

I bought a car for less than $1000 and I sold it to a brother for "EXACTLY WHAT I PAID FOR IT". I got a great deal on it and I passed the savings to the brother. He is still driving it and has been for about 2 years. It was also an older Toyota Camry so it should last for about 10 more years at least if he takes care of it. However in this case the pastor either got a sorry deal and passed his loss on to the brother or he is simply knocking the brother in the head!!!! "ONE OR THE OTHER".

So LDJ and RWD, I don't want to hear your garbage about car salesmen because the buys that I gave my customers were a whole lot better than the one that "YOUR" pastor gave one of his church members. You guys are sorry. You NTCC ministers need to stay out of the car selling business and leave it to trained, conscientious professionals like me who happen to know and care enough to truly take care of people and especially those who are of the household of faith.

Gal 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Did you forget to teach that one in your so called Bible college?

Jeff

P.S. I could give numerical specifics concerning what the brother told me he is paying, and my findings about the book value, but that is the guys private business so you'll just have to take my word for it. This whole practice of pastors selling their church members cars has stink written all over it anyway. It's just another example of the Shepard fleecing the sheep. Buy an old car and sell it to one of your church members. This isn't the first time I've heard of NTCC pastors selling their church members old used cars. LDJ and RWD just needed to keep their mouth shut about this auto sales issue and it wouldn't be an issue. Just another example of an NTCC flip flop.

Don't Steal Your Kids Childhood, The Kekels Certainly Didn't Steal Their Kids Childhood!

This blog can be crazy sometimes. It causes me to give certain subjects entirely too much thought.

What I'm talking about here is the subject that we have been recently discussing throughout the previous thread; "the Kekels". I recently expressed my feelings about GK and how we should handle that subject. Well last night when I went to bed, I briefly (right before I went to sleep) gave the subject a little more thought.

This is an ever significant subject due to the fact that many of us were brainwashed and or psychologically manipulated into essentially stealing our kids childhood. We were taught that the only focus for our children should be that they serve GAWD throughout their entire life according to the NTCCs mandates, and that take precedence over any other career or recreational plans, unconditionally. We were taught that it was ultimately a waist of time to participate in activities other than "NTCC activities" such as soul winning and church services and conferences.

I know of an NTCC pastor who held his daughter back a year in school because her schooling interfered with his "NTCC" plans. Many parents didn't allow their children to participate in any extra curricular school activities because we were instructed not to by the NTCC leadership. It was preached and taught that in the eternal grand scheme of things, extra curricular activities or other activities such as sports, plays, martial arts, adult education, boy scouts, swim classes, sporting events, fairs, carnivals, theme parks, family outings, and anything else that didn't involve church services and soul winning was ultimately unimportant and a waist of the time that GAWD allocated us here on earth. And you know what? There are some biblical grounds to support such teachings but here is the problem and this goes back to my original point. "The Kekels".

The Kekels son was raised according to a whole different set of understood rules and standards. The Kekels son was allowed to participate in activities that the rest of us were taught were a waist of the time that GAWD allocated humans here on earth.

So you ask; "what is your point Jeff?" Some people who post here think we should back off GK because he is still kid living in his parents house. Others say "forget that, my kid was also a child when the NTCC leaders got all involved in my family business while occasionally openly humiliating my child in the process of doing everything they could to prevent me from allowing my child to have the same childhood that GK has been given all along."

Well I see both sides here and for that matter quite clearly. I believe that we should leave children (who are still in school, K-12) out of these discussions for the most part, but there is a problem if we categorically take that approach. The NTCC leaders and pastors never took that approach. The NTCC leaders stuck there hypocritical noses into every bit of our families business that they possibly could, while giving us guidance concerning our children that the Kekels never even followed. It's a slap in the face that some of us may very well never get over.

NTCC LEADERS: Because we trusted you, you took advantage of our trust and you stole our kids childhood with mandates that the Kekels never followed for their child. We thoroughly resent that and we won't forget. Believe it or not, in our lives, such events parallel 9-11. These are events that you just don't forget. You did more than just play games with us when you concocted all those rules, you messed with our children.

Jeff Collins

Thread #64 A picture of RWD while announcing what churches he will or will not visit.

The NTCC is a caste system. Here is a definition that I found: A social structure in which classes are determined by heredity. The NTCC has different classes of people within their ranks. Those classes of people are often determined by "heredity" which practice we quite frequently refer to as nepotism. Here is a definition of nepotism that I found: Patronage bestowed or favoritism shown on the basis of family relationship, as in business and politics: She was accused of nepotism when she made her nephew an officer of the firm. For those who haven't figured it out, that is the NTCC way. Partiality and favoritism runs ramped throughout the NTCC. That point was effectively illustrated in a message that I quoted below which was written by blovd.

blovd wrote...

Just remember the times that there was a conference or a big fellowship. Where were the board members? Sitting by themselves with only a few preachers that RWD hand picked to sit with them. Why are you afraid of sitting with the common brothers and sisters? They are not good enough for him? They can't teach him anything? Which brings me to the time in a conference telling the pastors who wanted him to come to their church for a visit, he said:

"I won't visit some of you because you want to put me in a roach coach motel. I'll come to see you when you are doing something for God! When you are running more people than I! Only than will I come and see you so you can teach me how to build a church and tell me what method you're using to bring people in. In the mean time don't expect me to come by to preach to your 5 or 10 people."

blovd statement is so true because I've witnessed the same type statements made by RWD during conference. If you've spent any time in the NTCC, I'm sure you've witnessed the same also. Either that or you are living in denial. RWD runs his church like a "family owned business", and it is more a business than a church for sure.

Jeff

Health Care. What Kind Of Health Care Does The NTCC (INC) Provide It's Ministers?

Thread #63 With the passing of Senator Edward M. Kennedy, I felt that a fitting subject to discuss should be health care. I've never been a big fan of Edward Kennedy, however if you study his past you can not deny that the man has been a champion of health care reform. Senator Kennedy witnessed the need for U.S. health care reform while in the hospital with his ailing son. While witnessing the financial struggles and burdens of many people around him , Edward Kennedy realized that he was fortunate enough to pay for health care that many others could not afford. This realization challenged the man to do more in an attempt to improve health care than any other political figure on record. Because of his own experiences surrounding extremely severe illnesses with his son and daughter, the "liberal" Senator Kennedy had quite an interesting and admirable compassion for people in need of health care. Do so called "conservative" Christian leaders in the NTCC display the same sort of compassion? Many would contend and affirm that they do not.

RWD and his cronies have consistently and proudly stated that the NTCC is a business and should be run like a business. Pastors such as Mr. Hunt have openly stated while in church service, that they considered themselves "company men". Well if the NTCC is a company / corporation (which it is), and if the NTCC considered itself a business (which it does), then why has the NTCC never attempted to provide any kind of health care benefits for it's so called licensed ministers? I will tell you why people. Because the NTCC leadership only runs their church like a business when it benefits them, (the leadership).

My question is, how many people out in cyberspace have ever struggled to get good health care or even keep good health care insurance while serving as a minister or ministers family member with the NTCC? Does anyone else feel that the NTCC, as a corporation should offer at least some kind of health care benefits for it's licensed ministers? Every company that I have ever worked for since I've retired from the military has offered health care benefits without one exception. Is the NTCC a legitimate corporation or not (which I already know it is), and if it is why doesn't it care enough about it's ministers to offer some kind of health care benefits? I know the answer to that question as well. Because the only people that the NTCC leadership is truly interested in taking care of is the NTCC executive leadership. RWD, Kekel, Olson, Kinson, Ashmore are the ones who get taken care of in the NTCC. The vast majority of remaining ministers by far simply have to fend for themselves.

I worked at a Toyota Store and of course the owner received a whole lot more money than I did but the owner also offered health care benefits to all his employees. The dental coverage that he offered was excellent and I took full advantage of it. I get health care with my military retirement but I receive absolutely NO dental care so I am thankful to have worked for three corporations who offered good dental care benefits. Does the NTCC INC offer such benefits?

You work for the NTCC don't you? If you say you don't but rather you work for God, then why do you send any money to Graham? RWD supposedly puts money in some kind of general tithe fund so why don't you put your money in your local church general tithe fund instead of sending it to Graham? Is it a business or is it not. Please answer the question. Why does the NTCC control your escrow accounts? Oh I understand now. It's a business when it benefits the NTCC but it is not a business when you need health or dental care. I see how it works. Once again Old Jeff is just finding fault; really?

Boy is that some kind of business / corporation. Where health care is concerned, the NTCC wants to act like a common everyday church on the corner but where RWD's and Kekels wallets are concerned, the NTCC wants to act like a business and has stated as such all along. For that reason and many others that I would rather not be a part of the NTCC. If I am totally responsible for taking care of my own family, I'm certainly not going to be taking care of Kekels at the same time. I would that the NTCC hadn't got one dime from me but they certainly won't get another one.

Jeff