The NTCC Blowviator

The NTCC has a way of twisting the scriptures.  With little research and a functional brain, even the most novice of theologians can distinguish fact from fiction or what simply doesn't make good sense.  

An unknown individual posted this message a few threads back and I thought it would make for a good discussion.    

Anon said...

We've attended NTCC in Alabama and they're teaching about Holy Ghost Baptism-A SEPERATE Baptism with "FIRE" Holy Ghost saying that you are saved but have to wait for a second baptism in the HOLY GHOST and Speaking in tongues is indeed the evidence of it - telling people basically your saved but in essence not that saved if you don't have the Holy Ghost (This is as I know it to be a Pentecostal belief) and the scriptures they give to substantiate their claim don't coincide with it at all much like their tithing scriptures ? I don't believe that and never have ... This teaching seems to cause a division/superiority among members and often leave those who believe this wondering "Why" they have not "Yet" Received the Baptism of the HOLY GHost ? Then as I stated They say their are 6 OTHER BAPTISMS ! What Do U Think Of This?

Anon 2 replied...

Here is what the Bible says:

1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 

1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

....In the Bible these are all rhetorical questions. The answer is NO. So here is my point.The NTCC teaches that everyone who has "The Holy Ghost" will speak in tongues but the Bible clearly suggests otherwise. So they coax people into speaking in tongues and say they all have the gift of tongues but here is the ironic part. When Briggs had cancer and died, where was the gift of healings? When Ramirez got sick and died, where were the healings? They weren't because people in the NTCC have not been given that gift so therefor there was no healing to be had. What about interpreting tongues? Not that one either? So the point is I simply don't buy it?  What about making the blind see?  Not that miracle either?  The lame walk?  Oh, I guess not that one either.  What about water into wine?  Multiplying the fishes maybe?  Oh, I see but they all can speak in tongues.  Again, I don't buy it.  

So thousands of NTCCers all speak in tongues, (because I witnessed them uttering something) but I never saw someone healed when they were sick like with cancer or something tangible like that. Oh my headache got better doesn't work for me.  Quite honestly NTCCers can knowingly or unknowingly fake some noises with their mouth, but there was no one who could heal Briggs when everyone knew he was dying of cancer and of course he died. NTCCers are fake knowingly or not. It's just that simple. 

Chief said...

I've seen some many people in the NTCC leave the NTCC who supposedly did receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.  Then the NTCC pastor claimed they were not saved.  So what, did they ever really get the Holy Ghost?  So does that suggest that their tongue talking was fake all along.  So Denis never really had the Holy Ghost?  What about Reed?  Taylor?  Blumenthal?  Both Sister and Brother?  Shunk?  So none of them ever really had the Holy Ghost or the Holy Ghost really wasn't able to keep them which according to the NTCC made them no different than someone who never got the Holy Ghost in the first place.  

Lets be real here and stop all this hocus pocus.   The NTCC leadership doesn't have a clue who in fact really has the Holy Ghost and who doesn't and my questions are guaranteed proof.  If the NTCC version of speaking in tongues was proof then none of these so called, (Holy Ghost filled) saved brothers and sisters would have ever left the NTCC in the first place.  They supposedly "Lost out with God" which, (according to the NTCC false prophet leaders) wouldn't ever happen if they got baptized with the Holy Ghost for real in the first place.  So what, it wasn't for real?  So their speaking in tongues wasn't real?  So are the only real tongue talkers the ones who stay in the NTCC?  

It's a bunch of hog wash and if you have a functional brain, and with this knowledge, you should able to see right through these NTCC fakers.  

Daddy, Can I Invite A Girl Out To Play?

I'm just reposting stuff that was written a while back.   

To all you single Brothers:   If you'd ever get a backbone the picture to the left could be you a whole lot sooner than you think.   Yeah!!! 

Kris wrote...

The NTCC has a way of keeping a lot of single men single for many years until they reach their 30's or more.

Jeff said...

Ain't that the truth.  Some of those single ministers completely give up on having a woman after a while.   Pastor Bentley is a prime example.   That dude probably hasn't had a woman for close to 15 years I would guess.   The NTCC is a cult which can be evidenced by it's leadership not wanting their people to marry someone who is not part of the New Testament Christian Church.  Well guess what that does to the men?   They often find it quite hard to get a woman and often even harder to get a good looking woman.   I've personally witnessed occasions where a desperate NTCC man took an extremely homely women to be his wife.   Hey, I'm calling it like I see it.  I didn't name names.   I'm certainly not the best looking man so if you aren't the best looking woman, you are who you are and it is what it is.  

Then you have the New Testament Christian Church leadership placing all kinds of dating restrictions on their personnel.   Mike and Tanya certainly didn't have that many restrictions placed on them when Tanya was only 15 and 16 years old and Mike was feeling her up.   You're an idiot if you let the NTCC leadership influence who you date.   You're being treated like a child if you stand against the wall or ask permission just to speak with a woman.   Why in the world would you allow some NTCC creep to dictate when you can or can't talk to a woman?  That is ridiculous.   So you are a single guy and they will only let you talk to NTCC women or "girls" yeah that's right "girls" and then you have to ask permission to talk to them?  When you are in conference, which may be the only time you even get a chance to meet a single woman or in the NTCC's case a single "girl",  you can't even talk to them there.  What gives? 

Here is what you need to do single guys.  Boycott that mess. Go to conference and walk up to some fine Sister, (if there are any) and plainly ask, "Could I get your phone number and give you a call sometime."  If she gives you her number then immediately ask,  "Hey, before conference is over, maybe we can go out and get something to eat".   Don't ask permission because that is childish.   Don't let the bully control mongers treat you like a child.   Take the girl out, call her up, hang out with her as much as possible and then if you guys like each other, TELL THE NTCC LEADERSHIP YOU WILL BE GETTING MARRIED.   DON'T ASK.  

The reason some of you guys don't have a woman is because you lack self confidence.  Don't walk up to a lady all stuttering because you are all worried about old lying RWD or Kekel the control monger.  Tell the woman she looks nice and you'd like to take her out to dinner. If you can't do that, it's alright.  Go half your life without a woman if you want to, I'm not the one.  My wife and I got married and I didn't ask some dummy for permission and we have a little boy together and I didn't ask permission to do that either.  We made it happen if you know what I'm talking about.  Botta, boom, batta, bing.  Yeah.  Get some back bone and stop allowing some NTCC control freak to keep you frustrated for decades.   If you can't find a woman in the NTCC find one outside the NTCC.  Visit other churches.  Did I say that?  You better believe it.  There are more fish in the sea then you'll ever find in the NTCC.   Then bring your fine wife back and show all those other brainwashed, frustrated brothers how good she looks.  Yeah!!!!!   Maybe then they'll stop asking permission to talk to someone of the opposite sex.  


Jeff 

The Million Dollar Trailer

To the left is a picture of Davis, (when he was alive) swimming in cash.  The dude in the picture actually kind of looks like Kinson.  Haha.  

The trailer I'm referring to is the serviceman's home in Augusta that has been there about 35 years, (an educated estimate).  I used to live in that trailer back in 1986 when I attended BNCOC at Fort Gordon.  The pastor in Augusta (lower case p) at the time was Medrano.  A trailer like that back in those days probably cost maybe $20,000 - $30,000 if that???  Certainly not much more especially knowing Davis who naturally wouldn't pay top dollar for anything.  Can't blame him for that.  I actually wrote up a design for the steeple on the church building while I was in BNCOC.  That wouldn't have cost much either as it was very small sanctuary which no doubt got funded by donations from GI's and an over inflated rent charged by Davis.  Well back to the trailer specifically. 

Don wrote this statement:  That Trailer was there in 83 when I started attending church. I know it wasn't new either because there were pictures in an album from the previous pastor. The pastor at that time was Cyrius and before that I believe it was Taylor.  I'm not sure exactly what year it was purchased in but I know it's probably around 80 or 81, just a guess.

M. Reed wrote this statement:  Also when we were at Ft. Gordon, GA, the dumpy old trailer home which had been there forever was supposedly behind in payments when we arrived. I asked, when is this going to be paid off? Oh, it's coming. When? We got it current and kept paying until we left, and we never got an answer.

Chief wrote...

So here is the moral of the story. Lets assume that trailer has been there since 1980 which by all accounts is quite plausible and likely with Don being there in 83 and pictures of the trailer showing it there previously.  The point being, we all remember the trailer and the minimum amount of time it's existed as property of the NTCC. 

So assuming the pastor sent approximately $800 a month, times 35 years, times 12 months per year you come up with  $336,000 paid for a $22,000 trailer (approx) with a little small sanctuary which no doubt was paid for when it was built.  And this is why we, (Don and I) decided to title this thread "The Million Dollar Trailer".  Of course based on my rough estimates, $1,000,000 hasn't been shelled out for the trailer but $300,000 is an absolutely ridiculous amount of money to be sent to Graham for such an inexpensive dwelling.   This is just another example of how the NTCC leadership has SOAKED it's ministers over the years.  M. Reed was sending money to Graham for that trailer years and years after I lived there which is proof that the NTCC leadership will keep requiring payments on a building long after it's been payed for many times over and over and over again.  When are you NTCC people going to wake up?
Don't let the NTCC leadership confuse the issue here with the monthly payment amount because even at $700 a month, the servicemen and pastors would have shelled out $294,000 which is a down right rip off for a crummy little trailer with a match box sanctuary.   $30,000  at $700 a month would have been payed off in just over three years, 42 months to be exact. This means that the NTCC leadership has been incorporating the practice of EXCESSIVE usury, which we can find to be a forbidden practice in the Old Testament.  

Exo 22:25 If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.

Lev 25:36 Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee. Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.

Deu 23:19  Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:

Chief 25:36   Thou shalt not rent him thy serviceman's homes and church building for increase.  

Well the NTCC leadership specializes in exacting usury upon it's brethren and if you can't see that you are blind as a bat.  Oh again I forgot.  Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy doesn't apply to the NTCC unless of course it's for the purpose of enslaving women.  Silly me.   

The NTCC leadership which includes Olson, Kekel, Dead Davis, Defrancesco, Johnson and previously Ashmore are crooked money lenders who's main goal is to make an increase and exact usury upon their brethren.  This is wicked conniving crookedness.

The Advanced School Of Theology, AKA Advanced School Of "Soak Your Brother Ology"

Vic Johanson wrote...

I used to attend RW's sham "Advanced School of Theology." Money was almost all he talked about. One time he was showing us how we should stick our money in Savings Bonds. He was doing the math on how much we would end up with investing $25/week. He made a decimal placement error in the calculations and had everyone thinking they'd be an order of magnitude richer than reality would dictate. It was like "stick $25/week in low-yielding government savings bonds and you'll be a millionaire in 20 years." Not by a longshot, Rodger.

The textbook for AST was "The Law of Success" by Napoleon Hill. Lots of good advice for secular prosperity, but Napopleon Hill was an occultist who believed in the Ascended Masters, evolved humans who have lived thousands of years and communicate via mental telepathy and can psychicly project themselves out of their bodies. Yeah, that was some really advanced theology, all right, especially for a "holiness" institution.

He did tell us the real secret though. It's OPM--"Other Peoples' Money." There he was telling us to our faces that the secret to his own wealth was the money he'd extracted by various means from other people (including us). From tithes, to dorm rent, to tuition, to "love offerings," to the tablespoon of salsa that they sold in the "fellowship" hall for 75 cents--all of it was designed to cause OPM to flow up the pyramid. Some people are willing to be users and abusers, and they prosper in NTCC. The rest go broke.

Chief wrote...

I sat through a few of Davis' investment teaching messages.  One was in Germany and I remember it quite well. Of course it was all a scam because in the NTCC, you never really had enough money to make any decent investments. You spent too much time giving it away to the NTCC and not enough time keeping it to invest.  I also listened to Davis tell everyone how he "prayed" to God that one day he'd become a millionaire and of course it happened.  Clearly Davis was preoccupied with figuring out ways to accumulate wealth which placed him in the category of having the "love of money" which the Bible tell us is the root of all evil.  OPM hey?  Well he sure got plenty of that because it all roles up hill in the NTCC.  

I wonder why I can't find one example in the New Testament Bible of this type of money exchange taking place in the early church.  Do we find evidence that Paul, James, Peter or John lived in a mansion or road around in a real nice chariot with big fat horses pulling it along?  Did the Apostles travel around in a large private sea going vessel compliments a bunch of tithe payers or world missions pledges?   Things that make you go hmmmm....

Chief's advanced school of investmentology.  Never give your money to rich millionaire church leaders.  If you want to give as unto the Lord, do it the Lord's way.  Give to people who need it like the fatherless or widow or the less fortunate in the church. 

Examples: Jam 1:27, Rom 15:26 or 1 Cor 16:1&2 which by the way has nothing to do with paying tithe like the NTCC suggests in their doctrinal statement.  Compare Rom 15:26 and 1 Cor 1&2 and you'll see they are dealing with the same event.  These scriptures deal with taking up a collection for "POOR SAINTS" which contrary to what the NTCC teaches doesn't have jack to do with paying tithe.  1 Cor 16:1&2 defined in Strongs.  It's obvious if you know how to read and how to use your brain. This is another NTCC lie designed to mislead and deceive.  How about Acts 4:35?  When was the last time you saw Davis or Kekel try that one.  Davis and Kekel have taught that Peter and John were misguided socialists in Acts 4.   Amazing how they can twist the scriptures to suit their needs when it's convenient.  If you aren't sure what those scriptures are just click on them.  Mat 25:40.  That's what giving unto the Lord is all about.  Not paying tithes to some rich greedy multi mega millionaire like Davis and Kekel and watch them live like kings while you live from paycheck to paycheck.  

The New Testament Christian Church Will Steal And Waste Your Life. You Won't Get It Back.

I've been warning people for years but too many people haven't given heed to my warnings.  The NTCC will really mess  you up.  What if you live to the age of 80?  If you spend 20 years in the NTCC and finally come to the realization that the NTCC leadership is in fact no more than a bunch of con artists, (which it is) you've just thrown away a QUARTER of your life.  Most NTCCers have no idea how damaging that can be to an individual.  It will have a major lasting effect on the rest of your life.  It will really mess up your life emotionally, financially and psychologically.   

I know so many people who've been messed up by the NTCC it's mind boggling.  Most never totally get over trauma associated with having been a part of the NTCC.  You don't clearly see the damage being caused while you are in but it becomes painfully obvious once you get out.  You can't get all those years of life back. Families broken up, marriages wrecked which should have never been in the first place.  Childhoods destroyed, forever lost and wasted.  I really wish NTCC people could see the light but I know from experience that most can't.  They won't see it until it's too late but then the damage will have already been done. Irreversible damage.  

I know of a couple who were in the ministry for about 15 years in the NTCC.  The NTCC messed them up.  This husband and wife combo messed up other people pretty bad while they were in the ministry.  The NTCC leadership misguided them and screwed them over. Nothing good came from the entire debacle.  Now the church is gone like I predicted years ago.  Another example is the Oberhausers.  An experiment gone bad.  A minister who's preaching couldn't bring a horse to water in the middle of a desert. From Graham to Columbus back to Graham to Savannah to who knows where now. A complete waste time and a legacy of pure failure.  Never one ounce of success in the ministry and you expect me to believe that God was behind all that???  So God sent them to Columbus?  God sent them to Savannah?  God sent them back to Graham to be recycled?  Bologna. The Graham crooks sent them everywhere they went.  And why do the crooks bring people back to Graham?  To keep a steady cash flow rolling to line the Kekel's pockets and if you think otherwise you are completely misguided and deceived.  

The whole thing is so sad.  I get no joy out of writing this stuff. Thank God I got out of that mess when I did.  Life has been so good since I left the NTCC.   Unlimited blessings have flowed my way.  It never stops.  The NTCC is a curse and to find your way out of the NTCC's mess is a blessing.  The problem is, in many cases, the NTCC caused so much damage to so many lives, even after people leave the NTCC the negative effects are often irreversible.   A wasted life in America.  Born in the United States, the land of opportunity, only to throw it all away following a bunch of con artist cult leaders.  What a shame and what a waste. 

Chief