The NTCC Blowviator
The NTCC has a way of twisting the scriptures.  With little research and a functional brain, even the most novice of theologians can distinguish fact from fiction or what simply doesn't make good sense.  

An unknown individual posted this message a few threads back and I thought it would make for a good discussion.    

Anon said...

We've attended NTCC in Alabama and they're teaching about Holy Ghost Baptism-A SEPERATE Baptism with "FIRE" Holy Ghost saying that you are saved but have to wait for a second baptism in the HOLY GHOST and Speaking in tongues is indeed the evidence of it - telling people basically your saved but in essence not that saved if you don't have the Holy Ghost (This is as I know it to be a Pentecostal belief) and the scriptures they give to substantiate their claim don't coincide with it at all much like their tithing scriptures ? I don't believe that and never have ... This teaching seems to cause a division/superiority among members and often leave those who believe this wondering "Why" they have not "Yet" Received the Baptism of the HOLY GHost ? Then as I stated They say their are 6 OTHER BAPTISMS ! What Do U Think Of This?

Anon 2 replied...

Here is what the Bible says:

1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 

1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?

1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?

....In the Bible these are all rhetorical questions. The answer is NO. So here is my point.The NTCC teaches that everyone who has "The Holy Ghost" will speak in tongues but the Bible clearly suggests otherwise. So they coax people into speaking in tongues and say they all have the gift of tongues but here is the ironic part. When Briggs had cancer and died, where was the gift of healings? When Ramirez got sick and died, where were the healings? They weren't because people in the NTCC have not been given that gift so therefor there was no healing to be had. What about interpreting tongues? Not that one either? So the point is I simply don't buy it?  What about making the blind see?  Not that miracle either?  The lame walk?  Oh, I guess not that one either.  What about water into wine?  Multiplying the fishes maybe?  Oh, I see but they all can speak in tongues.  Again, I don't buy it.  

So thousands of NTCCers all speak in tongues, (because I witnessed them uttering something) but I never saw someone healed when they were sick like with cancer or something tangible like that. Oh my headache got better doesn't work for me.  Quite honestly NTCCers can knowingly or unknowingly fake some noises with their mouth, but there was no one who could heal Briggs when everyone knew he was dying of cancer and of course he died. NTCCers are fake knowingly or not. It's just that simple. 

Chief said...

I've seen some many people in the NTCC leave the NTCC who supposedly did receive the Baptism of the Holy Ghost.  Then the NTCC pastor claimed they were not saved.  So what, did they ever really get the Holy Ghost?  So does that suggest that their tongue talking was fake all along.  So Denis never really had the Holy Ghost?  What about Reed?  Taylor?  Blumenthal?  Both Sister and Brother?  Shunk?  So none of them ever really had the Holy Ghost or the Holy Ghost really wasn't able to keep them which according to the NTCC made them no different than someone who never got the Holy Ghost in the first place.  

Lets be real here and stop all this hocus pocus.   The NTCC leadership doesn't have a clue who in fact really has the Holy Ghost and who doesn't and my questions are guaranteed proof.  If the NTCC version of speaking in tongues was proof then none of these so called, (Holy Ghost filled) saved brothers and sisters would have ever left the NTCC in the first place.  They supposedly "Lost out with God" which, (according to the NTCC false prophet leaders) wouldn't ever happen if they got baptized with the Holy Ghost for real in the first place.  So what, it wasn't for real?  So their speaking in tongues wasn't real?  So are the only real tongue talkers the ones who stay in the NTCC?  

It's a bunch of hog wash and if you have a functional brain, and with this knowledge, you should able to see right through these NTCC fakers.  


Daddy, Can I Invite A Girl Out To Play?

I'm just reposting stuff that was written a while back.   

To all you single Brothers:   If you'd ever get a backbone the picture to the left could be you a whole lot sooner than you think.   Yeah!!! 

Kris wrote...

The NTCC has a way of keeping a lot of single men single for many years until they reach their 30's or more.

Jeff said...

Ain't that the truth.  Some of those single ministers completely give up on having a woman after a while.   Pastor Bentley is a prime example.   That dude probably hasn't had a woman for close to 15 years I would guess.   The NTCC is a cult which can be evidenced by it's leadership not wanting their people to marry someone who is not part of the New Testament Christian Church.  Well guess what that does to the men?   They often find it quite hard to get a woman and often even harder to get a good looking woman.   I've personally witnessed occasions where a desperate NTCC man took an extremely homely women to be his wife.   Hey, I'm calling it like I see it.  I didn't name names.   I'm certainly not the best looking man so if you aren't the best looking woman, you are who you are and it is what it is.  

Then you have the New Testament Christian Church leadership placing all kinds of dating restrictions on their personnel.   Mike and Tanya certainly didn't have that many restrictions placed on them when Tanya was only 15 and 16 years old and Mike was feeling her up.   You're an idiot if you let the NTCC leadership influence who you date.   You're being treated like a child if you stand against the wall or ask permission just to speak with a woman.   Why in the world would you allow some NTCC creep to dictate when you can or can't talk to a woman?  That is ridiculous.   So you are a single guy and they will only let you talk to NTCC women or "girls" yeah that's right "girls" and then you have to ask permission to talk to them?  When you are in conference, which may be the only time you even get a chance to meet a single woman or in the NTCC's case a single "girl",  you can't even talk to them there.  What gives? 

Here is what you need to do single guys.  Boycott that mess. Go to conference and walk up to some fine Sister, (if there are any) and plainly ask, "Could I get your phone number and give you a call sometime."  If she gives you her number then immediately ask,  "Hey, before conference is over, maybe we can go out and get something to eat".   Don't ask permission because that is childish.   Don't let the bully control mongers treat you like a child.   Take the girl out, call her up, hang out with her as much as possible and then if you guys like each other, TELL THE NTCC LEADERSHIP YOU WILL BE GETTING MARRIED.   DON'T ASK.  

The reason some of you guys don't have a woman is because you lack self confidence.  Don't walk up to a lady all stuttering because you are all worried about old lying RWD or Kekel the control monger.  Tell the woman she looks nice and you'd like to take her out to dinner. If you can't do that, it's alright.  Go half your life without a woman if you want to, I'm not the one.  My wife and I got married and I didn't ask some dummy for permission and we have a little boy together and I didn't ask permission to do that either.  We made it happen if you know what I'm talking about.  Botta, boom, batta, bing.  Yeah.  Get some back bone and stop allowing some NTCC control freak to keep you frustrated for decades.   If you can't find a woman in the NTCC find one outside the NTCC.  Visit other churches.  Did I say that?  You better believe it.  There are more fish in the sea then you'll ever find in the NTCC.   Then bring your fine wife back and show all those other brainwashed, frustrated brothers how good she looks.  Yeah!!!!!   Maybe then they'll stop asking permission to talk to someone of the opposite sex.  



The Million Dollar Trailer

To the left is a picture of Davis, (when he was alive) swimming in cash.  The dude in the picture actually kind of looks like Kinson.  Haha.  

The trailer I'm referring to is the serviceman's home in Augusta that has been there about 35 years, (an educated estimate).  I used to live in that trailer back in 1986 when I attended BNCOC at Fort Gordon.  The pastor in Augusta (lower case p) at the time was Medrano.  A trailer like that back in those days probably cost maybe $20,000 - $30,000 if that???  Certainly not much more especially knowing Davis who naturally wouldn't pay top dollar for anything.  Can't blame him for that.  I actually wrote up a design for the steeple on the church building while I was in BNCOC.  That wouldn't have cost much either as it was very small sanctuary which no doubt got funded by donations from GI's and an over inflated rent charged by Davis.  Well back to the trailer specifically. 

Don wrote this statement:  That Trailer was there in 83 when I started attending church. I know it wasn't new either because there were pictures in an album from the previous pastor. The pastor at that time was Cyrius and before that I believe it was Taylor.  I'm not sure exactly what year it was purchased in but I know it's probably around 80 or 81, just a guess.

M. Reed wrote this statement:  Also when we were at Ft. Gordon, GA, the dumpy old trailer home which had been there forever was supposedly behind in payments when we arrived. I asked, when is this going to be paid off? Oh, it's coming. When? We got it current and kept paying until we left, and we never got an answer.

Chief wrote...

So here is the moral of the story. Lets assume that trailer has been there since 1980 which by all accounts is quite plausible and likely with Don being there in 83 and pictures of the trailer showing it there previously.  The point being, we all remember the trailer and the minimum amount of time it's existed as property of the NTCC. 

So assuming the pastor sent approximately $800 a month, times 35 years, times 12 months per year you come up with  $336,000 paid for a $22,000 trailer (approx) with a little small sanctuary which no doubt was paid for when it was built.  And this is why we, (Don and I) decided to title this thread "The Million Dollar Trailer".  Of course based on my rough estimates, $1,000,000 hasn't been shelled out for the trailer but $300,000 is an absolutely ridiculous amount of money to be sent to Graham for such an inexpensive dwelling.   This is just another example of how the NTCC leadership has SOAKED it's ministers over the years.  M. Reed was sending money to Graham for that trailer years and years after I lived there which is proof that the NTCC leadership will keep requiring payments on a building long after it's been payed for many times over and over and over again.  When are you NTCC people going to wake up?
Don't let the NTCC leadership confuse the issue here with the monthly payment amount because even at $700 a month, the servicemen and pastors would have shelled out $294,000 which is a down right rip off for a crummy little trailer with a match box sanctuary.   $30,000  at $700 a month would have been payed off in just over three years, 42 months to be exact. This means that the NTCC leadership has been incorporating the practice of EXCESSIVE usury, which we can find to be a forbidden practice in the Old Testament.  

Exo 22:25 If thou lend money to any of my people that is poor by thee, thou shalt not be to him as an usurer, neither shalt thou lay upon him usury.

Lev 25:36 Take thou no usury of him, or increase: but fear thy God; that thy brother may live with thee. Thou shalt not give him thy money upon usury, nor lend him thy victuals for increase.

Deu 23:19  Thou shalt not lend upon usury to thy brother; usury of money, usury of victuals, usury of any thing that is lent upon usury:

Chief 25:36   Thou shalt not rent him thy serviceman's homes and church building for increase.  

Well the NTCC leadership specializes in exacting usury upon it's brethren and if you can't see that you are blind as a bat.  Oh again I forgot.  Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy doesn't apply to the NTCC unless of course it's for the purpose of enslaving women.  Silly me.   

The NTCC leadership which includes Olson, Kekel, Dead Davis, Defrancesco, Johnson and previously Ashmore are crooked money lenders who's main goal is to make an increase and exact usury upon their brethren.  This is wicked conniving crookedness.


The Advanced School Of Theology, AKA Advanced School Of "Soak Your Brother Ology"

Vic Johanson wrote...

I used to attend RW's sham "Advanced School of Theology." Money was almost all he talked about. One time he was showing us how we should stick our money in Savings Bonds. He was doing the math on how much we would end up with investing $25/week. He made a decimal placement error in the calculations and had everyone thinking they'd be an order of magnitude richer than reality would dictate. It was like "stick $25/week in low-yielding government savings bonds and you'll be a millionaire in 20 years." Not by a longshot, Rodger.

The textbook for AST was "The Law of Success" by Napoleon Hill. Lots of good advice for secular prosperity, but Napopleon Hill was an occultist who believed in the Ascended Masters, evolved humans who have lived thousands of years and communicate via mental telepathy and can psychicly project themselves out of their bodies. Yeah, that was some really advanced theology, all right, especially for a "holiness" institution.

He did tell us the real secret though. It's OPM--"Other Peoples' Money." There he was telling us to our faces that the secret to his own wealth was the money he'd extracted by various means from other people (including us). From tithes, to dorm rent, to tuition, to "love offerings," to the tablespoon of salsa that they sold in the "fellowship" hall for 75 cents--all of it was designed to cause OPM to flow up the pyramid. Some people are willing to be users and abusers, and they prosper in NTCC. The rest go broke.

Chief wrote...

I sat through a few of Davis' investment teaching messages.  One was in Germany and I remember it quite well. Of course it was all a scam because in the NTCC, you never really had enough money to make any decent investments. You spent too much time giving it away to the NTCC and not enough time keeping it to invest.  I also listened to Davis tell everyone how he "prayed" to God that one day he'd become a millionaire and of course it happened.  Clearly Davis was preoccupied with figuring out ways to accumulate wealth which placed him in the category of having the "love of money" which the Bible tell us is the root of all evil.  OPM hey?  Well he sure got plenty of that because it all roles up hill in the NTCC.  

I wonder why I can't find one example in the New Testament Bible of this type of money exchange taking place in the early church.  Do we find evidence that Paul, James, Peter or John lived in a mansion or road around in a real nice chariot with big fat horses pulling it along?  Did the Apostles travel around in a large private sea going vessel compliments a bunch of tithe payers or world missions pledges?   Things that make you go hmmmm....

Chief's advanced school of investmentology.  Never give your money to rich millionaire church leaders.  If you want to give as unto the Lord, do it the Lord's way.  Give to people who need it like the fatherless or widow or the less fortunate in the church. 

Examples: Jam 1:27Rom 15:26 or 1 Cor 16:1&2 which by the way has nothing to do with paying tithe like the NTCC suggests in their doctrinal statement.  Compare Rom 15:26 and 1 Cor 1&2 and you'll see they are dealing with the same event.  These scriptures deal with taking up a collection for "POOR SAINTS" which contrary to what the NTCC teaches doesn't have jack to do with paying tithe.  1 Cor 16:1&2 defined in Strongs.  It's obvious if you know how to read and how to use your brain. This is another NTCC lie designed to mislead and deceive.  How about Acts 4:35?  When was the last time you saw Davis or Kekel try that one.  Davis and Kekel have taught that Peter and John were misguided socialists in Acts 4.   Amazing how they can twist the scriptures to suit their needs when it's convenient.  If you aren't sure what those scriptures are just click on them.  Mat 25:40.  That's what giving unto the Lord is all about.  Not paying tithes to some rich greedy multi mega millionaire like Davis and Kekel and watch them live like kings while you live from paycheck to paycheck.  


Kekel Has A History Of Inappropriate Behavior - You Decide

The picture to the left should be displayed outside the NTCC compound. 

The following testimonies were posted on-line (as far as we can tell) by current or former NTCC members and more specifically, (in some cases) women.    Kekel is something else.   I don't understand why any NTCCers follow that creep. 

Testimony #1: I cleaned M. Kekel's house before too. He hit me on the butt once. I went to Olson about it. M. Kekel claimed he bumped my butt accidently and nothing more was said. It bothered me but I thought I was in the wrong. This confirms I wasn't wrong. He hit my butt on purpose. I think he was testing to see what he could get away with before he tried more

Testimony #2: This is so sad. My wife told after we left NTCC that on a few occassions Michael Kekel's hand had slightly touched her butt when passing him. She was asked to clean his house but never did since he had made her nervous by the slight touching. She felt so guilty about it after leaving bible school. This might be why Michael never seemed to like me.

Testimony #3: We went before the board on something that was said over the pulpit and Kekel flat out denied it. I knew then that he will lie his way out of a situation.

Testimony #4: I was jealous of how much time Julie got to spend at Davis’ house, Ashmore’s house, and Kekel’s house. Now sadly I realize I had no reason to be jealous. I now am so angry that she was dragged to these homes.

Testimony #5: My wife is one of the ladies that cleaned for Tanya and some of the other ladies as well. She told me one day that M. Kekel was in the house and asked to speak with her alone. My wife knew she was to obey the Man of God but her gut just didn't set right. She finally stammered out sir I will gladly speak to you but I would like to wait until my husband is present. My other pastor told me it is not good to be alone with a man including the Man of God. M. Kekel didn't seem happy and told her she could go home. Nothing more was said and she was not allow back to clean. We couldn't figure out what that was all about since nothing happened and not much was said.

Testimony #6: Oh this is what happened that day. I was around that day she was told Kekel wanted to see her at the Lodge. Her son was just an infant. I didn’t see or hear her called to go see him but after she had already gone I was asked to wait for her. I was to take her to the motel where her baby was when the meeting was over. What I am about to say it hard for me to even type.

Julie got out. She didn’t seem okay in fact seemed pretty shook up. She walked or more stumbled to my car. I said Sis. Ridgeway what is wrong, what did you get in trouble for this time. I really didn’t know Julie at all but I had witnessed her being told before this day that one or more of the leaders wanted to speak to her. She got into the car she seemed in a daze. I had to help her get her seat belt on because she seemed unable to focus on the task at hand. What is wrong with this girl something isn’t right?

She starts rocking back and forth mumbling like she isn’t present at all. She said things like I don’t want to do this. I’m dumb stupid I’m yucky. I don’t like the bedrooms. Why must this happen? I want it to stop.

Chief wrote...

So do you NTCCers think all this stuff is simply fabricated and erroneous? Is Kekel the great, "man of God" as so many of you have supposed? I don't think so and in fact I know not. Kekel is a stone cold creep, double standard hypocrite who is touching your women and spending up your money and laughing all the way to the bank. Oh and for those of you who don't know, Julie strongly affirms that Kekel had sex with her in his house in Graham on more than one occasion. If you let your wife go to clean Kekel's house you are a dummy. If you are a woman and you've read these testimonies, and you still go clean Kekel's house, you must be looking for sex from Kekel. If you are an NTCC husband and your wife has read these testimonies, and she still wants to go clean Kekel's house, Kekel will probably have her bent over from the minute she walks through the door and he'll be right behind her pumping away and I'm not talking about pumping fuel at the gas station either. And lastly; if you you've read these testimonies and even a small portion of the rest of this blog and you've still decided to stay in the NTCC, you are a hypocrite, sucker and anything but saved because you are willfully following a predator / con-artist who's sucking up your money like a Dyson vacuum cleaner.

Oh, and another thing. Olson is an absolute low down jerk, degenerate, double standard hypocrite huckster con-artist, wolf in sheep's clothing moron and a complete waist of oxygen. Pam Norton also went to Olson, because R.W. Davis was having sex with her and giving her money so she'd keep her mouth shut and Olson told her to go find another church. Olson is no more than an enabler of criminals, con-artists and creeps. Olson is worse than all of them. I have more respect for Kekel than him. At least Kekel does his own dirty work. Olson is the one who sweeps in under the carpet and covers it all up.


The New Testament Christian Church Will Steal And Waste Your Life. You Won't Get It Back.

I've been warning people for years but too many people haven't given heed to my warnings.  The NTCC will really mess  you up.  What if you live to the age of 80?  If you spend 20 years in the NTCC and finally come to the realization that the NTCC leadership is in fact no more than a bunch of con artists, (which it is) you've just thrown away a QUARTER of your life.  Most NTCCers have no idea how damaging that can be to an individual.  It will have a major lasting effect on the rest of your life.  It will really mess up your life emotionally, financially and psychologically.   

I know so many people who've been messed up by the NTCC it's mind boggling.  Most never totally get over trauma associated with having been a part of the NTCC.  You don't clearly see the damage being caused while you are in but it becomes painfully obvious once you get out.  You can't get all those years of life back. Families broken up, marriages wrecked which should have never been in the first place.  Childhoods destroyed, forever lost and wasted.  I really wish NTCC people could see the light but I know from experience that most can't.  They won't see it until it's too late but then the damage will have already been done. Irreversible damage.  

I know of a couple who were in the ministry for about 15 years in the NTCC.  The NTCC messed them up.  This husband and wife combo messed up other people pretty bad while they were in the ministry.  The NTCC leadership misguided them and screwed them over. Nothing good came from the entire debacle.  Now the church is gone like I predicted years ago.  Another example is the Oberhausers.  An experiment gone bad.  A minister who's preaching couldn't bring a horse to water in the middle of a desert. From Graham to Columbus back to Graham to Savannah to who knows where now. A complete waste time and a legacy of pure failure.  Never one ounce of success in the ministry and you expect me to believe that God was behind all that???  So God sent them to Columbus?  God sent them to Savannah?  God sent them back to Graham to be recycled?  Bologna. The Graham crooks sent them everywhere they went.  And why do the crooks bring people back to Graham?  To keep a steady cash flow rolling to line the Kekel's pockets and if you think otherwise you are completely misguided and deceived.  

The whole thing is so sad.  I get no joy out of writing this stuff. Thank God I got out of that mess when I did.  Life has been so good since I left the NTCC.   Unlimited blessings have flowed my way.  It never stops.  The NTCC is a curse and to find your way out of the NTCC's mess is a blessing.  The problem is, in many cases, the NTCC caused so much damage to so many lives, even after people leave the NTCC the negative effects are often irreversible.   A wasted life in America.  Born in the United States, the land of opportunity, only to throw it all away following a bunch of con artist cult leaders.  What a shame and what a waste. 



The Bible Clearly Shows A Pattern Of The Church Providing Monetarily Relief For It's Poor. Virtually All NTCC Widows Fall In That Category.

Mike Kekel quoted:

1 Tim 5:16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.

Mike Kekel wrote:

"To date, we've had none that qualify by the Bible. I'm sorry if that presents for you or the Shunks an inconvenience, but God wrote it, not NTCC. People are taught this in Bible College, they cannot claim ignorance."

Chief quoted:

1Cor 16:1-2 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Chief wrote: Below is a copy of the portion of the NTCCs doctrinal statement concerning tithes.

We recognize the scriptural duty of all people as well as ministers, to pay tithes unto the Lord. (Heb. 7:8) Tithes should be used for the support of the active ministry and for the propagation of the Gospel and the work of the Lord. It is not to be given to charity or used for other purposes. (Mal. 3:7–11; Heb. 7:2; 1 Cor. 9:7–11; 16:2)

Chief asked: So why did the NTCC include 1 Cor 16:2 if they are really so concerned about doctrinal purity as Mike wants to point out as I've illustrated above. In Strong's, look up the word "collection" which was taken up for the saints in 1Cor 16. It is word number 3048 in the Strong's numbering system. The word "collection" in 1Cor 16 means and I quote: "a collection of money gathered for the relief of the poor" end of quote. If there is any doubt about what I've written I've attached a hyperlink which you can click that verifies my absolute, concrete conclusion. Read it for yourself and click the link below and please keep an open mind. The word "gatherings" used in 1Cor 16:2 means the exact same thing. Strong's #3048. Click on the link.

The point I'm making here is that the NTCC and Mike Kekel will use the Bible in a hot second, if it supports their desire to not provide financial support for a widow, (indeed or not) but they will plainly twist the scriptures (which I've proven they do) while misusing and deceitfully using the Bible to support their greedy desire to get financial support from you. 1Cor 16:2 has absolutely nothing to do with paying tithe but it does have to do with taking up a collection of money for the purpose of relieving the poor Saints in the church which any NTCC Widow falls in the category of whether or not she can be truly considered a "Widow indeed".

What is also interesting is that the NTCC uses 1Cor 16 in a feeble attempt to justify paying 10% of your income to the church however in their doctrinal statement they say that tithe can not be given to charity (which in complete contrast to their doctrinal statement) is exactly what the folks were in fact doing in 1Cor 16:2. I quote again, "a collection of money gathered for the relief of the poor" and more specifically a collection taken up to for the relief of the poor Saints in the Christian church as can be plainly seen in 1Cor 16:1. 

16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.
Now I will come unto you, when I shall pass through Macedonia: for I do pass through Macedonia.

Now look at the account of the same event found in Romans.

Rom 15:25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. 

26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

Neither one of those two passages have JACK to do with paying tithe so why does the decieptful NTCC leadership include 1 Cor 16:2 in their doctrinal statement to justify the doctrine of compulsory tithing?  Because they are crooks and you NTCCers are dummies because you don't question them and you blindly buy off on this mess.  Whether or not you believe in tithing is not the issue here; that's entirely up to you.  The issue here is that your stinking sorry sad hypocritical NTCC leadership is willfully misusing the scriptures in this case and you NTCCers are too stupid and brainwashed to see and admit the obvious.  

So what we see here folks is a bunch of NTCC leaders who will use the Bible to justify them receiving and keeping your money but not giving it for the relief of the poor which I guarantee virtually all NTCC widows fall in the category of. Please study what I've written here folks.



What It Takes To Be A Con Artist

Attached to the left is the picture of a man reading from a book and raising his hand in the fashion of an orator or public speaker.  Orators can often be skilled public speakers who periodically possess strong powers of persuasion.  They can convince people to believe anything they want them to.  I heard someone make a statement on the radio just the other day that really caught my attention.   The person said, "People believe what they want to believe".  That really caught my attention and I'll tell you why.

No one wants to believe they are the victim of a con game perpetuated by a con artist.  You know why?   Because to come to that realization makes almost anyone feel stupid and gullible and who wants to believe that about themselves?   It's no fun to come to the realization that you in fact were a gullible sucker and easily manipulated.  It's no fun to realize that you were foolish enough to become the easy victim of a con artist.   I posted a message on the previous thread and I kind of liked what I posted so I figured I'd start a new thread with it.  

I previously wrote...

Who knows???  With the NTCC leadership anything is possible because they certainly are masters of the cover-up and deception and that is not speculation or a conspiracy theory, that is a fact.  So I'd put nothing past the NTCC leadership which is why I entertain all accusations levied against them.  Just when you think an accusation against the NTCC leadership is too far fetched, they prove you wrong every time.  I'm not kidding.

Nothing I hear about them surprises me anymore because I have personal knowledge of so many conniving acts they've committed.  I mean these guys are crooks to the max and real deal con artists.  We throw the term "con artist" around quite often but I don't think the average NTCCer realizes how accurately that term fits the description of the NTCC leadership?  They are con artists. 

Con Artist definitions:

1: A person adept at swindling by means of confidence games; a swindler.  

2:  One adept at persuasion, especially at dishonest or self-serving persuasion.   

3:  A person who cheats or tricks others by persuading them to believe something that is not true.

Now does that describe the NTCC leadership or what?  The first definition is outstanding.  That's the reason religious people make such good con artists.  They get you to trust them because who would doubt a soul winning Christian who teaches honesty?  Who would doubt a preacher right?  That's how they got me.  I trusted those con artist and that was the first and biggest mistake I made.  You have to gain the "confidence" of the people you con.  I know better than to trust the Kekel's or Olson but the average NTCCer trusts them blindly.  They appear to be one way but in reality they are the complete opposite.  

Christ described them best:   Mat 7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Listen to this people and listen good!!!  Mat 7:15 is the one scripture that NTCC people ignore and overlook THE MOST!!!



To the left is a picture of the late R.W. Davis in his younger days; probably around the time that he knew Pam Morris (Norton).

About 7 years ago, I was on what was formerly known as the "Yahoo group".  Basically it was an Internet based social group of ex-NTCCers who were sharing their experiences, (horror stories) while in the NTCC. Pam Morse (Norton) was on the group and she posted this letter which she wrote to the group.  This letter came first hand from her. I was on the group forum the day she posted it.

Hey Don, read this entire post before you get half way through it and start blowing a gasket.      

Now this is not new news as it's been mentioned on this and DnA's blog.  DnA have it posted on their blog with a few additions/side notes but this is a copy of the legit original letter which Pam typed. Now before you read the letter, the reason I'm posting this is to get some opinions from our readers.  Don (from Don and Ange's blog) and I are friends and over the last several years have talked to each other on the phone frequently.  Well the biggest disagreement Don and I have ever had, has concerned this particular letter.   In the past,  I've made reference to this particular encounter between RWD and Pam as "Sex".  Don has made reference to this encounter as "Rape and or child molestation".  I don't see it as rape or child molestation and here is why.  I feel it's borderline rape but the reality is, it would be hard to prove in a court of law and here is why.   

 I certainly don't see it as child molestation because regardless of her age at that time, like it or not, Pam was legally married at the time that she admits in the letter to have quote "allowed" Davis to again quote "fondle" her and again as she said quote "to put it bluntly".   This would clearly suggest that at a minimum, there was some serious touching in a sexual nature going on.  

Secondly Don refers to it as RAPE.  Well I just looked up the word RAPE and the last part of the definition was quote, "without the consent of the victim" end of quote.  Well as Pam wrote in her letter in her own words, "I allowed" him to do this.  Well unfortunately for a prosecuting attorney or in this case Don, the statement "I allowed" clearly suggests consent and not only consent, but more importantly consent from a legally married woman, regardless of her age.  So from a legal standpoint, it's not likely with the evidence of this letter, that a court of law would have had much success convicting Davis of rape or child molestation but rather a "REAL" Godly church leadership would have found him guilty of adultery, abuse of power and strong psychological manipulation of a YOUNG married female.  

Could she have resisted?  Sure but that is a whole lot easier said than done in a cult when the leaders of that cult and specifically Davis have such control of your life.  Now, Diana Taylor said that Davis came to her place one time when her husband was not home and she flat out refused to let him enter.  But you know what, it's not the same for each person and Diana Taylor was no doubt more mature and Diana Taylor's mother didn't raise her in the organization like the sick, sad, sorry mother or Pam Morris (Norton) namely Barbara Norton Warwick.   Now Barbara Norton Warwick is a sick twisted woman.   

Do I think that Davis used and abused his position in order to gain the confidence of a YOUNG woman who was a member of his church and the wife of a husband who worked for Davis and was also his church member?  You better believe it.  Do I think that Davis manipulated a much younger woman, namely Pam, and used strong powers of persuasion to gain unsolicited access to her blouse and dress/pants?  You better believe it!!!  Do I think that Davis the con artist double standard hypocrite used proven known cult tactics to brainwash his church to such a degree that he could have so much control over specifically (young impressionable women) that he could manipulate this particular situation in such a way so as to get Pam to "allow" him to have sex with her?   No doubt.  

Now for the record, Pam did not say that Davis had intercourse with her but in my book, touching breasts, hand in her pants, and fondling is hardly any different and in most cases certainly leads to intercourse.  You can make a guy or girl get off with your hand or mouth, it doesn't take "private part to part" contact.  I'm not saying that Pam got off either.  Having said that, Davis wasn't just going by Pam's house "daily" to shoot the breeze, (the actually frequency unknown) so there was definitely some stuff going on.  If Davis could manipulate your mind, he could manipulate your body also, so to what degree that Pam "allowed" Davis' advancements, we'll never know, but I do know that Davis wasn't going by there to play tiddlywinks and he knew what he was there for and so did Pam.

Was Pam a victim???  You best believe it.  Rape victim?  In a court of law?  Possible, but somewhat of a stretch as to whether or not you'd ever get that one to stick.  Does Pam feel she was raped?  Most definitely.  She said so.  Is Davis a scum bag either way you look at it?  If you don't think so you are an idiot.  Rape, adultery, sex outside marriage....   Once I read this letter, Davis wouldn't have ever given me one ounce of spiritual advise and neither would Kekel or Olson for that matter.  Kekel and Olson are just a guilty as Davis because they brushed it under the carpet and ran Pam off to shut her up.   I wouldn't stay in the NTCC with this knowledge.  Your an idiot if you do.  Are you stupid enough to believe that Pam would have admitted to this if it never happened?  She said she allowed it for crying out loud.  Who would lie about that?   What benefit would it be to Pam to ADMIT that she allowed a man 3 to 4 times her age to have sex with her if it never even happened???   

So a while back, Don and I had our worst argument which seemed to have nearly broke up our friendship over this very topic and I'm interested in the opinion and comments from others after you read Pam's letter below.  

Letter from Pam Morse: 

He made sexual advances towards me when I was a teenager. When I finally did speak up and began to tell people such as Olson, he said he could not except it and it would be best for me to find another church to go to. He also said I had to have 3 witnesses. Kekel did not do anything. When I told my mother, one of her negative comments that she had made several years ago was, "Out of all the pretty girls, why would he pick you Pam? To this day we have no relationship because of this. She says that I'm lying and that God will judge me for this.
Davis knew what he was doing. He came to my apartment when Johnny was at work. (Johnny was employed by Davis and so he knew where he was at all times.) He told me I was pretty and he wanted to make love to me. He had his hands down my pants, on my breast etc and fondling my body to put it bluntly. I allowed him to do this. I really did not believe he was sinning at the time. I remember asking God "Why do you allow him to do this to me? Then he gets up and preaches fire and brimstone and yet the very next day he would do it all over again. I began to tell myself that it's ok. It's pastor. This is how sick I was in my thinking. Thinking it was ok and he could not sin.

He would also give me money. Sometimes, by the end of the week I had more money than my husband did. He would ask me where it came from and I told him Rev. Davis gave it to me. I realize now that he was basically paying me to shut my mouth. He did not love me like I thought he did, like a daughter. He was using me to get in my pants and that's all it was.


I Have A Legitimate And Sincere Question? Please Feel Free To Answer Anonymously.

In fact, I ask that everyone who responds does so anonymously.  I also ask that no one attempt to discredit anyones's answer.  I have  my reasons for this.  Additionally, I also started a thread below, so feel free to respond to that at anytime.  So here is my question?

What do you suppose will happen to you, if you are a Christian who is a tithe payer, or one who believes in paying tithe, and you completely stop paying tithe???   Or, what if you are a Christian tithe payer and suddenly, (for whatever reason) you no longer believe in paying tithe, and you completely stop paying tithe???  In either case what I'm asking is, will there be consequences?? Tangible consequences?? What will happen to you.  Legitimate question.  I'm curious to see as many responses as people are willing to leave and what people think and believe.  PLEASE POST ANONYMOUSLY.  Again, I have my reasons for making that request.  It will make this thread far more interesting.  

Also, feel free to give the reason for your answer to include scriptures if you think that's necessary.  Either way on that one. 



Out With Ashmore. Damage Control And The Smear

To the left, Mr. Kekel.  What more needs to be said.

I've received information regarding some statements which have been reportedly made by M. Kekel.  Now before I continue, please understand that this information is second hand which means that I didn't personally witness Kekel making these statements.  Having said that, I believe this information to be highly credible based on where I got it.  I will do my best to relay this information as closely as I possibly can to reflect what I heard.  

It's my understanding that during a service which Kekel was either a part of or actually holding himself, Kekel decided to start verbally discrediting someone who had left the New Testament Christian Chruch.  Apparently Kekel referred to this individual who left the NTCC as being "charismatic" or overly spiritual in nature and someone who believed in the gifts of the spirit.  At some point in Kekel's attempt to outwardly and openly smear this individual, Kekel said that "this person who used to be his (Kekel's) pastor, has now become his (Kekel's) enemy.  

Obviously there is only one person that Kekel could have been referring to; Ashmore.  So once again we see yet another instance where the NTCC leadership, (in this case Kekel) has elected to perform damage control while smearing the name of someone who decided to depart from the NTCC.   

Now let me speculate for a bit.  Very educated and informed speculation I might add.  Ashmore was sent to California to to pastor a church that was previously pastored by someone else. Ashmore had also previously been in a position of authority within the NTCC leadership holding what would be considered a higher position than a pastor.   So Ashmore gets sent to California to pastor, which if he continued in that position, would be considered a demotion by most accounts.  Why did Ashmore get sent to California?   I'm convinced I have the answer, and I'm quite confident that I'm very much on target with this one.  

For a long time, Davis was a strong supporter of Ashmore.  This is not speculation, but rather an absolute fact. I'm sure as time went on, that Davis knew that Kekel was anything but an advocate for Ashmore.  Kekel has proven that he has no problem voicing his feelings about someone, and that is also a fact.  I'm sure at some point, Kekel expressed his sentiments about Ashmore to Davis.  Well blood is thicker water which is self evident where the Davis, Kekel family was and is concerned and if you think otherwise you are extremely misguided.  Davis knew, (either because of his potentially soon approaching inevitable death or currently existing illness) that he would be out of the "NTCC leadership picture" and Kekel would take the reigns.  So for Kekel's sake, neither Davis or Kekel wanted Ashmore too close to Graham and they really wanted to move him out of the picture, so off to California Ashmore went.  Kekel was certainly jealous of the relationship Ashmore had with Davis and he wanted to eliminate any inevitable power struggles which he knew he'd have with Ashmore, so again, off to California Ashmore went.  

Kekel has always disliked and been intimated and jealous of anyone (who had risen to a position of authority) who Davis preferred, which definitely included Denis, because Kekel told me as much himself directly on the telephone.   Kekel told me directly, that he disliked Denis and I clearly understand why.  Davis liked Denis, and Kekel told me so, so it was obvious JEALOUSY, (on Kekel's part) bottom line.  If you think otherwise you are a straight up dummy.  

Ashmore and Denis both did something which Kekel has never done and Davis quite clearly recognized this.  They created a strong money stream due to their charisma and oratory skills, and they brought many more people into the NTCC than Kekel every could and Davis knew it, but again, blood is thicker than water.  So they had to get Ashmore out of the picture, and to make a long story short, they quite effectively "RAN HIM OFF".   The NTCC leadership is skilled at performing that task, as they are proven to be experts in the art of "RUNNING PEOPLE OFF"! They do this to people who they are either jealous of or intimidated by.  Who are they jealous of or intimidated by?  People who are more popular than they are.  

Well now, Ashmore is firing back, and though that may be a classic example of the "pot calling the kettle black", you can't blame Ashmore for defending himself even though for decades Ashmore has committed as many dastardly deeds as any other leader in the NTCC. Lastly, I strongly suspect that there is friction between Kekel and Olson and I have sound reasons for making this statement.  The NTCC is breaking apart at the seams.  If you have any sense at all, you'll get away from the NTCC while the gettin is good. If you're a pastor, (and you have a decent size church) you'll do well to take your church, forsake the NTCC name, and do your own thing.  If not, you'll eventually be left high and dry.  


The New Testament Christian Church Is A Real Estate Business, No More, No Less.

I Just found these comments on DnA's blog.  The answers to these questions are so obvious it's down right disgusting.  Additionally, you are blind as a bat if you can't figure out what the New Testament Christian Church leadership is doing.  Renting church buildings to the local churches is just another way for them to make money off the congregations and Pastors.  When are you all going to learn that the NTCC is nothing more than a real estate holding company?  We've been saying this for almost 10 years now.  We've written so many threads concerning this topic it's not even funny.   If you owned a house that you still had a mortgage on, would you tell the renters what the interest rate is or what the mortgage payment is?  Of course not.  The sooner you realize that the NTCC is not a church but a money making business, the better off you'll be.  
Real churches don't have a problem with full disclosure.  The NTCC leadership has ALWAYS had a problem with full disclosure and everyone knows that.  You are a dummy if you don't know that.  Stop giving your money to the NTCC!!!  With all this information readily available, I really, truly can't believe how gullible people can be.  Suckers; the real deal.  Anyway, written below are the comments I copied and pasted. 

Comment 1: My wife and I spent hours looking and looking we finally found something with a big area for a sanctuary and everything else that we were told to look for in a church building also a price we thought we could afford since our congregation was new and I knew we had to pay the mortgage. Next I contacted the leaders they came to check it out without me and decided they would buy it. I wasn't allow to be around for the buying process. I was told they might not want to sell it if I was there or want to use my credit and a whole bunch of other excuses. I had excellent credit at the time but I feared to argued because they taught to question the leaders was to disrespect God. So I wasn't present. J. Ashmore, J. Olsen, and another person that was on the board assured me that once the building was paid for it became that individual church's building and Graham would turn over the deed to the building to that church. I thought this is a good plan. The building needed painting and a few other things not anything major and it was listed for 76,000. Once everything was done I was contacted to go out to eat. I thought we were going to go over the paperwork but I was showed nothing. I was told your mortgage payment is 1300.00 a month. I about chocked on the food in my mouth that was nowhere near what I and my wife had planned for in payments. I said Oh there must be something I missed because I thought the payments would be a whole lot less. It was told me that there was more land that was not named on the paper I had, there was insurance, the yearly taxes, and so on. I said we can't afford this. I was then told, "Are you going to doubt like Peter or are you going to keep your eyes on Jesus and walk on water. Matthew 17:20 tells us " And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you." It is all about faith brother all about faith."

That was the last time my credit was excellent. We ended up losing the house we were renting and I had to move my wife and kids to a very tiny little apartment. My kids were so disappointed because the house had a big basement to play in at night after our long days and the last people had left the backyard set up for kids. My kids had so loved this house. It had made the move to a new place much easier. We were told that God wanted to teach us something that is why we were there. That sometimes God has got to take you to the desert to show you things.

Comment 2:  As a pastor in NTCC, I know one of many things that has really bothered me. I wouldn’t write it here if they would only answer our questions. When we bought our Church and thankfully NTCC put up the funds, I asked, What is the interest rate? They would not answer me. They never send us a statement. How will I know when this is paid off? We’ve been paying for years, what is our current status? Nothing. Then I figured out it was probably equivalent to a 6.5% interest rate @ 30 years. Which at the time was great! But now, interest rates are at 3.75% and for a 15 year its down to 3%. So I asked, Can we refinance this loan and pay it off sooner and that would help us go full time sooner. As well as take off the burden of a mortgage payment off of the back of the congregation. He just looked at me. No answer. I thought to myself, This is really weird. Shady, really. After I am dead and gone, who knows if they will just keep on charging this congregation & pastor for a mortgage or for renting this place. It doesn't make any sense to me. I don’t understand why there has to be so much secrecy? Why not a mortgage statement? Why not an Escrow statement? Or at least give it out once a year?

Comment 3:  When we were in Lakewook, the NTCC had bought the property there and we were paying the mortgage payments.  One day the man that had sold the property came to see that church that was now using the building and house.  He was talking to Ralph St. Clair who was the pastor at the time.  He shared how he had given NTCC a good deal since it was going to be used for a church site.  They talked back and forth which lead Ralph St. Clair to discover that the payment was double the real mortgage payment. When asking the leaders about i,t he was told it cost to have the privilege to use one of NTCC's buildings and we are doing you a favor, so what are you complaining about and if it wasn't for the NTCC, you would have nothing.  As I listened to this exchange between the leaders and Ralph St. Clair I thought, "we have nothing".