Life After The New Testament Christian Church; Cursed Or Blessed?

I've raised this question because of my recent experiences leading up to and through the holidays. Sometime after Christmas, I began to think about just how good life has been recently since I left the NTCC. Let me quantify this statement. I have a great job which is as good as I could have ever hoped for and better than any job I ever had while I was with the NTCC. I had almost 2 weeks off during the Christmas holidays with full pay. I get 4 days off for every federal holiday that exists. I earn a great salary, fantastic vacation benefits/time off. Health care benefits which are of no additional cost to me and cover my entire family. Dental care which costs next to nothing and covers my whole family and a huge life insurance policy which will take care of my family in the event that I have an untimely death. Great daytime work hours and weekends off. A fantastic retirement plan. Need I go on? My family and I are currently in the middle of a holiday / Christmas vacation where we are all off work or school at the same time for nearly two weeks or more. Everything is working out far better than I could have possibly dreamed of and that is an understatement.

So where are all the curses which NTCC preachers boldly proclaimed would be awaiting anyone who unwittingly decided to leave their sacred organization? What happened to the eminent financial destitution? Where are all the family problems? Where is the pain and sorrow that NTCC preachers promised would come? I'll tell you where it all is. NTCC preachers/false prophets are full of crap and I have no problem saying so. It was no more than a scare tactic used to convince people that leaving the NTCC would be a fate worse than death itself. It was a scare tactic used for no other reason than to try and keep people in the NTCC for the NTCC leadership's own selfish reasons.

I like having "a lot" of time off, which I get. I like spending much time with my family, which I do. I like living in a nice house, which I have. I like seeing my wife driving in a safe, reliable car, which she has. I like not having to constantly be concerned with money, which I have. I like seeing my kids being well taken care of like Pastor Kekel's son, which they are. I'm convinced that had I stayed in the NTCC, I wouldn't have the good life which I enjoy right now. Life was a struggle in the NTCC; that is if you followed their rules. Oh, and I don't get my money from a bunch of struggling church members. I like what Paul said. "I have kept myself from being burdensome unto you, and so will I keep myself." I'd like to see an NTCC minister try that one. NTCC ministers won't do that because they think they are entitled. NTCC ministers are a bunch of spoiled brats who quite often are afraid of keeping a real job. They think everyone should take care of them but it's clear that Paul didn't think that the Corinthian Church was going to take care of him and he didn't allow it. What? Paul made the whole Corinthian church go to hell? I don't think so.

I know a guy who lives here in Columbus, Georgia who has been with the NTCC for years and years. He and I used to be in the same NTCC church before I left. He feels like he lives a good, prosperous life and he does. He gives God all the glory for his prosperity but there is a catch, (at least according to NTCC standards). He attributes his financial success to the fact that he pays tithes, but there is another catch, (at least according to NTCC standards). His wife has had a job as long as they've been married. She hosts her own TV show. She attends a different church while he attends the NTCC. He has a TV in his house. She wears pants and cuts her hair and so on. He works during the week in the evening time, (by his choice) which results in him missing services. Face it; he has never genuinely followed the NTCC rules so sure he has it good. Stick a dress on his wife and pull her out of the work force and cut off that extra income and live by a schedule where he "never misses services" and see just how miserable life becomes. He'd loose his job. Pull the TV completely out of his house like we did. Let him tell his wife that he is leaving her to go to the NTCS because she doesn't want to "get in" or make her life so miserable that she leaves him like so many other NTCCer's have done before. Sure this guy has it good because he has never genuinely followed the NTCC rules and anyone else who has it good in the NTCC doesn't and hasn't followed the rules either to include the Kekels and the Davis'.

How can you NTCCers, who claim to be Christians, live such hypocritical lives while claiming you are a part of some great spiritual organization knowing what I write is totally true? I don't know how you guys do it? Where in the world is your conscience? Do you even have one? The only reason you stay with the NTCC is to save face or because you are too blind and brainwashed to face the facts. I don't care how the NTCC has changed or if it's getting quote, "better". You guys who've been around the NTCC for a while know how it used to be or have you forgotten so quickly? At a minimum, (if I were an NTCCer) I would have no faith or trust in guys like Davis, Olson, Jones and Ashmore.

Well I live a good life now since I've left the NTCC, and do you call that being cursed? You decide.

Jeff

The NTCC Promotes Poverty & Free Loading

Helen Ashmore posted a testimony on her blog from an NTCCer who spoke about being essentially broke just two weeks prior to conference. According to the written testimony, this person prayed not only to receive enough money for conference but also to have enough money for a flight rather than (I would assume) to drive. This whole mindset comes from thorough brainwashing resulting in someone thinking it's normal to act like a BEGGAR. Let's analyze this situation for a moment.  

 The reason I said the person was essentially broke is because in my book, if you don't have the money for airfare to attend an event just two weeks out, you are in deed broke. There is no reason that you should even consider attending such an event if you can't afford to get there with (listen to this) YOUR VERY OWN MONEY THAT YOU HAVE EARNED WORKING ON A JOB! If this person didn't have the money just two weeks out then someone had to give them, or loan them, the money. I'm not going to beg, borrow or take a handout to go on vacation because no doubt that is exactly what happened. I can just see it now. "Oh I sure do wish I could take a flight to conference sister, but it's just two weeks out and we still don't have the money". Then the whole time at conference, "Boy we sure would like to go out to eat and fellowship but we just don' have the cash. Oh thank you so much for the money; you sure are a blessing".  

You're not being a blessing; you just enabled a beggar looking for a handout or a loan, who has not yet learned to create their own wealth and savings. There is nothing wrong with helping out a brother or a sister but chances are this person is broke because they spend too much time in church trying to follow the NTCC system, and not enough time working at a decent job. The Bible says if a man doesn't work he ought not to eat. Don't get mad at me, I didn't write it. I'll take it a step further. If you are working and you are still broke, you either have the wrong job, or you are not working enough, or you didn't get a good enough education (like Grant Kekel is getting) to get a good enough job. I don't blame the Kekels a bit. Yeah it's a double standard but at least he is setting it up so his son doesn't have to run around broke and he'll have the skills to earn "enough" of his own money.

Back to the original topic.

Then next thing you know people are feeling sorry for them because they've been running around poor mouthing everybody and people start paying for their dinner. If you don't clearly have the extra money factored in your budget TWO MONTHS out (say no less two weeks out) to attend conference, than you have no business planning to go you bum. You see the NTCC teaches this stinking way of thinking. Why can I say that positively? Because Helen Ashmore posted this testimony like it's some kind of badge of honor to have to pray to attend conference just two weeks out from the event because you are essentially broke. You've got no business going to conference. The only conference this broke person should be attending is a conference on how to get a job that allows them to earn enough money and save enough money so they don't have to look for a handout every time their church conference comes around.

I wouldn't even want that testimony posted nor would I want to give it. Knowing and understanding what I know now, I'd be ashamed. And not only that I wouldn't want or even take a handout so that I could go on vacation or to conference or whatever you want to call it. The problem here is that the NTCC teaches that there is nothing wrong with being broke and in fact, historically it's been encouraged that people quit their jobs so that they could attend conference. RWD spoke of it openly one conference that I attended and I heard him plainly. That is what RWD said but I say, "If you are a minister and you are too broke to go to conference than you need to spend less time in church and more time at work with a real job." If you are a church member the same applies. Stop hoping and praying for a handout, or for money to fall from the sky, and spend more time looking and searching for a better job.

I hate this mentality that so many NTCCers possess. It's the free loading, poor-man looking for a handout mentality, and it stinks. The wife of an NTCC overseer (namely Helen Ashmore) is clearly promoting this mentality just like RWD has all along. Once again, there is nothing wrong with helping out a brother or sister, but if they are too broke to attend conference using their own money, then they need to spend conference time looking for a better job or working at the job they have.  

Jeff

Control Mongers

In the previous thread Meme wrote...

Hey! I remember my boyfriend and I being told by our first pastor at NTCC that we were too young to marry at 21 and 20. They always highly incouraged/pressured/preached/taught me to go to Bible college and be a pastor's wife. I became so irritated about hearing,"when your a pastor's wife", that I finally told the pastor's wife, "I am not going to be a pastor's wife"! They even tried to hook me up with a bible college brother of my same race. Probably a coincidence that he was the same race, and I did entertain the idea, but my heart and mind were hurt. I had a great relationship with my finance at that time. He was everything that I thought a husband and future father should be for me.

I really always wanted to have an honorable big wedding with a lot of family and loved ones; you know like the fancy weddings in the bible. My mind and heart went through a lot during those times. My fiance wanted to have a secret wedding at the justice of the peace but I cared to much about what the church would think. Luckily a pastoral change took place and a whole bunch of couples took advantage of him not knowing us, and we all got married as quickly as possible. Forbid not to marry! How in the world does one thing get preached, yet they know we will obey the man who has rule over us is a stronger verse, and they will control members decisions but hey; don't forget, that it is biblical. They also know they are going to get members burning in lust, and feeling low and miserable as failures to God. That must mean a lot if your own pastor won't bless your marriage. I am incredibly grateful for my many years of marriage to my incredibly loving husband. I am free, because I can easily forgive NTCC, but somehow my life all in all has turned out good. My husband also persuaded me to break some NTCC rules and have fun sometimes, you know bowling, dvds and internet so we could communicate sometimes. Now I don't even feel tormented about going to the movie theater and if we decide the movie is inappropriate, we simply walk out. It's my perrogative I can do what I want to do, and I serve God.

Thank you mighty God!

Jeff said...

It was certainly not a coincidence that the marriage that they tried to put together were with you guys being the same race. The NTCC strongly taught against interracial marriages because they said it would run people away from their church but they regularly allowed abusive pastors to continually run people away from their church. The lesson to be learned is that you don't ever allow some crooked pastor to rule your life and if he tries you simply leave the church.

Hmmmmmm....

Pastor Kekel wrote on the bottom of his blog that people have the right to copy anything they want from his blog. If he really means it, that is a step in the right direction. If you don't feel you are writing anything wrong than what is there to hide? Trying to hide information is a classic cult practice. Just imagine Peter, Paul, John and James forbidding people to make copies of their material. There'd be no Bibles. If your really believe that what you are writing is good news, what difference should it make if someone copies it? Whether or not is really is good news is a whole different matter but if your intent is right concerning what you write, who cares if someone copies it.

You can copy this whole blog if you want. I write what I mean and I mean what I write. I got nothing to hide. I fix grammar and spelling mistakes but for the most part (by far) I don't regret what I write. I think Pastor Kekel will try to make even more changes within the NTCC when old RDub kicks the bucket. Hopefully he starts by discontinuing the requirement that NTCC people ask permission for just about everything. It's crazy that people have to send an email to Pastor Kekel requesting permission to stay with someone around Graham during the upcoming conference. That is a classic cult tactic and the NTCC would do good to discontinue that garbage.

Jeff

Happy Thanksgiving!

Come One Come All, See The Great Attraction. You Won't Believe What Your Eyes Will Behold

In the previous thread Bro Johnson asked...

Once again I am wondering why Conference is being held in Graham.

Jeff said...

Because they are making a push to promote life in Graham and promote the seminary. Tours and information packets for potential students? What? What? What? That says it all right there. Because it will save you money with an asterisk next to it? Look at Pastor Kekels website and pay attention to the little asterisk next to "saving money". It's like a little sneaky used car add where they say "reliable cars with a asterisk" and then next to the asterisk, "AS IS NO WARRANTY". Save who money? The people who live there? Here is what the asterisk points you to: "Lodging arrangements are the responsibility of attendees; information about local hotel accommodations will be available on request"

How in the world is that going to save you money? The people who live in Graham will save money.

Boy, Brother Johnson really hit on something with this one. Workshops, (hence the little picture) tours of the Graham compound and a chance to visit the church in Graham hey? How come Jesus wasn't mentioned under the what and why? Because it's not about Jesus which I've been saying all along. What a complete, brainwashing, mind molding, money making, push to more further indoctrinate the unsuspecting. Because it's going to be awesome?

If I were there, the one awesome part would be the medicine prescribed to stop me from perpetually throwing up. Boy the light becomes brighter every day. Once I think I've seen it all yet another surprise from the NTCC leadership. This conference is no more than a push to bring more people up to Graham Washington and I'm not just talking about seminary (I mean cemetery) either. They want people to think that Graham is just the greatest place on earth, so much so that the people will move there because here is the deal.

If the old cemetery don't work out, now these folks live in Graham where they can be controlled and more effectively brainwashed. That is exactly why the NTCC leadership always tries to bring ministers back to Graham. To try and regain control of their mind. Because the NTCC knows that if they leave Graham or don't come back to Graham, they will likely leave the NTCC altogether. This is no more than a ploy to get people to Graham and to get them to think that the NTCC is such a great organization.

It's also a chance to put more money back into the Graham community when people move there. You see when someone pays tithes or makes offerings in Graham, the NTCC leadership has leverage of all of it, not just the percentage that the pastors send from other states. The NTCC must keep a reasonable population present at Graham because population means revenue. RWD houses keep tenets. $ The dorm stays full. $ Classes are taught to more students which means more money coming in from each class. $ More people work for the NTCC guys who have businesses which means more money is being made and more tithes are paid. $ If you rent one of RWDs houses, pay tuition, pay tithes, give offerings, make pledges, drive your car to pick people up for church which burns your gas and puts miles on your car, then buddy every dime you make ultimately winds up back into the NTCC. Yeah I know you keep a little chump change, but it doesn't compare to the money that you put back into the NTCC when you live in Graham while renting one of RWDs houses while you are attending cemetery otherwise know as the school of rules.

Long story short: This conference is no more than a big propaganda push to get people to Graham and if you can't see that you are blind as a bat.

Jeff

Pastor Kekel's Blog Statement

Pastor Kekel wrote...

I do not possess personal ownership of New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. in any way, neither am I in charge of decision making in regard to its policies and doctrines. It is not within the scope of my authority to change them, so there's no need to ask me about them.

If you have an issue with an individual in the church or within its leadership, you should do as the bible says and go to that person and work it out with them as an adult would do.

Jeff said...

Mike is right. It is not within his scope of "authority" to change the New Testament Christian Church's rules or doctrine. It is however within his scope of "influence", and in that regard he has done quite well at making changes. When the Kekels don't adhere to certain rules, eventually others cease adhering to the same ones the Kekels have broken. If I were still in the NTCC, (which thank God I'm not) I wouldn't even consider sending my children to the NTCCs school of rules otherwise known as the seminary. My children will get a REAL education just like the Kekels son. Not an indoctrination dished out by a whole bunch of folks who the NTCC doesn't want serving as pastors.

So much for the idea of taking your complaints to someone within the NTCC leadership while hoping to work it out. Historically that will result in no more than a blasting and or a blacklisting. I took a lot of issues to the NTCC leadership and nothing of any substance was done. It would be good to work things out as adults but that is not possible when the person you have issues with is an insecure narcissistic bully pulpit pastor. People like that probably make up about 80% or more of the NTCCs pastor population and you are better off trying to reason with a caged bull.

 I will say this for Pastor Kekel. He will hear you through and he will at least listen to what you have to say. Whether or not he is simply pacifying you is another question altogether, but he will listen. In that regard Pastor Kekel is not insecure at all. For that I sincerely tip my hat off to him. He will listen but the problem is, even if he wanted to do something about your issue, (as he has already stated) he doesn't have the authority. So much for being the CEO. I guess the NTCC pays him for holding that title. Of course I wouldn't know that for sure.

Jeff

The Big 100K. Was All The Abuse That You Dished Out Worth It NTCC? I Guess You Thought No One Would Fight Back.

100,000

Hooray, a lot of folks are reading this blog. "We're Winning".

Jeff

Wow!!!! Read What Appears When You Click On The Link Below

Just click on the link below. There is not much else that I can say. It's clean, don't worry. I don't post inappropriate trash, never have.

http://newtestamentchristianchurchdebswtnss.blogspot.com/2010/10/ntcc-lies-and-broken-promises-ntcc.html

Jeff

To Halloween Or Not To Halloween Is The Question

There have been extensive discussions on another thread concerning this topic. The discussions began to inundate the thread so I decided to transfer the data here. Some folks believe that observing holiday's like Halloween and Christmas are quite pagan in nature, and others don't see a problem with it. I personally could care less one way or the other which is why I didn't chime in on the discussion. For once I'm a neutral party otherwise known as a "politician". I'm usually very opinionated but in this case I'm not. All posts pertaining to this topic have been transfered here from the other thread.
Jeff

Oh The Drama And The Propaganda

Extra, Extra, read all about it. A daring rescue was made which saved an NTCC pastor from impending doom and FIRE! All you "had" to do is go to Pastor Briggs blog to read the article. Since then Pastor Briggs set the article so that you have to sign in to read it. After I posted this thread, his article stayed up for about one day before Pastor Briggs set his website requiring people to sign in to read the article. Apparently Pastor Briggs was considering resigning his position as an NTCC pastor, or leaving the NTCC altogether, or both. If someone really wants to serve God there are plenty of places to go. He made it out like R DUB and Olson saved the day?

If they'd convinced me to stay with the NTCC, (knowing what I know now) they'd have ruined my day. It would have been the same as getting thrown back into the fire. Many of us know that life is a whole lot better now that we are no longer with the NTCC.

Who knows? Maybe one day Pastor Briggs will realize what the NTCC is truly all about. The fact is, now the NTCC leadership thinks Pastor is wishy washy if they didn't already. The NTCC "leadership" (if that's what you wan't to call em) have been around long enough to know that when you start thinking about quiting the NTCC, those thoughts don't just go away. Maybe Pastor Briggs will come around, stop being double minded and face the facts. I think he's starting to come to his senses.

When my wife and I finally had enough of the NTCC's crap, a pack of wild dogs wouldn't have turned us back to that cesspool. I knew what I'd witnessed in the NTCC and I'd had enough. Now when I run into those NTCC folks I usually give them a piece of my mind. Isn't that what they did practically every time they got behind the pulpit? Give folks in their congregation a piece of their mind? Well now it's my turn hence one of the purposes of this blog. This is our pulpit and we're not tired yet, are you tired? NOOooooo, I'm not tired yet. Just so people know, I generally don't read Pastor Briggs blog but someone else tipped me off to his article.

Jeff

You've Got To Be Kidding Me!

Either the official NTCC website is wrong or the Atlanta church is down to only 2 services a week. You've got to be kidding me. Mr. Mayers would have placed us in guaranteed hell if we only made 2 services per week while my family was in the Atlanta church. Guaranteed HELL!!!! Do not pass go and do not collect $200. Blasted, belittled, raked over the coals, benched, blacklisted and shunned and that is just where the list starts. For the 18 months that my family attended the so called "church" in Atlanta we were in boot camp and Mayers was a hard, cold drill sergeant. I actually don't blame him. He was taught that garbage at the school of rules and he closely followed RWD and Olson's guidance. For the most part Mayers didn't think that garbage up on his own and of that I'm convinced. Kekel and Hunt like to blame Mayers but Mayers followed the NTCC leadership's guidance far more closely than Kekel ever dreamed of. Mayers messed up because he trusted Olson and RWD and he listened to other abusive NTCC pastors.

I can't tell you how many times he raked my wife and I for some of the most nitpicken stuff which he learned at the NTCCs seminary otherwise know as the school of rules. Once again the NTCCs official website shows that services are being conducted only on Thursdays and ONCE on Sunday. Church appears to be held in a hotel from what I can tell looking at google earth which means they are going backward. It used to be in a store front for years. 1230 Sunday service is probably the only time the hotel will let them have the room. I wonder if Olson is still saying, "Were winning" because he must have said that at least 25 times while he was in Atlanta.

Buddy the more I dig around the more sickening it gets. I can't tell you how much money was put into that store front. Cantrell busted his butt totally remodeling it and my wife painted the nursery. We worked our tails off putting the pews in and it was all for NOTHING. Everyone got ran off and rather than upgrading to a stand alone building they appear to have down graded to a hotel or the NTCCs official website is dead wrong. There was a time you couldn't have convinced me that I'd see this day but nothing surprises me anymore with the NTCC. This is crazy. Only two services a week? I explicitly remember one night that S. Mayers was bragging to me about how much more progress he was making than other NTCC ministers in such a short period of time and I never forgot that. It would appear as though all his progress has reversed. When will people learn. Believe it or not this is actually sad for me to see because many people wasted a lot of time and money for the church in Atlanta. It is Pergamos and Laodicea put together. The NTCC will never learn but what do I know. I was just a church member. The facts speak for themselves.

Jeff

More Of The Same Psychological Garbage

Mike Kekel recently wrote on his blog that God, "moved incredibly again and in much the same way" during conference. How did God move? Did he ease around the sanctuary? Did God jump around or did God walk up the isle? I'll tell you what I think. Just more of the same mumbo jumbo religious rhetoric. If I've heard someone in the New Testament Christian Church say, "God moved" once, I've heard them say "God moved" ten thousand times. Think about it people. "Boy did God move during the service". "Boy, God sure did move tonight"!

Folks I'm past all that rhetoric. I'll tell you when God moved. On mount Sinai or when the Hebrews crossed the Red sea, of when Jesus came up out of the water and people heard an AUDIBLE voice proclaiming, "this is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." Religious people working themselves up into an emotional frenzy does not by any means necessarily mean that God moved anywhere!!!! Especially all the times that I've heard NTCC people use that same exact jargon. God moved, God moved, God moved, God moved. Stop saying that and wait for a real true appearance from God and you might get something other than an emotional outburst. There get some of that!!!

Then later Mike wrote...

People whose heart is perfect toward God want to be there, and God always makes a way, and rewards such, that they don't leave disappointed!

Jeff said...

What a bunch of psychological trash. Oh really? So if they don't want to be there that means that their hearts aren't perfect toward God? Is sleeping in a tent or a slummy motel room while Mike is living high on the hog the same as God making a way? Is leaving conference broke or without a job because in order to attend you had to quit your job? Is that the same as God making a way? I remember RWD stand up and sing Bro Saunders praises because he quit his job to attend conference. I remember folks at conference who were monetarily broke. Is that God making a way? I remember folks with vehicles broke down while Mike Kekel was riding fat in his RV and that was supposed to be God making a way? I know of a pastor who had to ride back with a brother because his vehicle was broke down and that was God making a way? According to Mike Kekels train of thought if you were still breathing that mean that God made a way. That is a bunch of psychological crap used for no other reason than to make you feel better about being broke or broke down or sleeping in a tent just so you could attend conference so that Mike could tell you your heart was perfect toward God.

Why does God even have to make a way. Capitalism, which the NTCC leaders preach to justify their wealth at your expense is anything but God making a way. Capitalism is about you making a way and managing your money so you can do things like attend conferences without worrying about God having to quote, "make a way". Kekel ain't worried about God having to make a way. As long as all your money keeps rolling up hill in the NTCC Kekel doesn't have to worry about anything. Go to Kekel and say, "Hey Mike, maybe God will make a way for you to attend the next conference", and he will look at you like you are out of your mind. RWD and Kekel have folks in the NTCC so brainwashed that it is mind boggling. So there is no misunderstanding I understand that God looks out for people whether they have money or not. That is not my point and I know what Mike was talking about. Having enough Money!!! Someone with tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars isn't worried about having enough money to make it to conference because money is not an issue. However someone who is broke is worried about it and the problem is that 95% of NTCCers who are broke are broke because the NTCC system is set up in a way that keeps them broke. It's also set up to keep Mike and Tanya swimming in dough.

Oh I get it. So If your heart is perfect, God will make a way so that you can feel him move like he always does during the NTCC conferences right? God just gets a little stiff in between conferences because during those times he doesn't move that much. It's time for me to sign off before I throw up.

Jeff

The Irony Of It All

Yes SIR!!! I'll follow your rules but first, can I go back to pick up my brain? Maybe I can figure out where I left it?

The word is, Kekel took down many of the threads which he had previously posted on his own blog. I guess old Mikey decided (or it was decided for him) that much of his propaganda was not good at helping the NTCC's cause.

Which ever the case much of the data would appear to have been removed, away from the public eye. It doesn't surprise me. He did make old RDub look pretty bad with the "Ain't Misbehaven" thread. Mike basically said that he never supported certain rules which old RDub had initiated. Before the information became un-viewable, here is some of what Mike wrote:

"I do not make the rules, and have only recently had opportunity to affect them. In the past I have only been in the unfortunate position of having to enforce them. That doesn't mean I agreed with them. If so be they were mistakes, they weren't mine. As for the church organization? I have nothing to do with policies and doctrines of the organization concerning things like TV (which ministers aren't to have if they carry license in NTCC- unless it is solely as a gaming monitor or something, and not connected to TV input) and couldn't change them if I wanted to. If that gets changed, Rev. Olson will have to do it by mandate or through board approval. I have no such power. Even in the Bible School realm I am limited."

Jeff said...

Look at what Kekel wrote. He wrote that he was in the "unfortunate position" of having to enforce the rules. WOW!!!!! He should have just slapped old RDub in the face with that statement. Then Mike wrote that it didn't mean that he agreed with the rules. In other words he didn't. What Mike was saying is that he didn't agree with his father in law because let's face it, RDub is the one who came up with the stupid rules in the first place. Now Kekel is openly stating that even though they were in fact NTCC rules, it didn't mean he agreed with them. Well isn't that a novel concept. Kekel doesn't agreed with God? Isn't RWD and the General Board supposed to be considered men of God? In conference I heard RWD say, "if you have a problem with me you have a problem with God". Well it's obvious that Kekel had and has a problem with RWD's rules. None of us could have gotten away with that one. That is nepotism at it's best. Then Mike suggested that the rules may have been quote "mistakes". I didn't know that God made mistakes because surely RWD had openly stated that he'd never missed God and everything he did had been directed by the Holy Ghost. Then Mike said that he had quote "NOTHING" to do with certain policies and doctrines of the organization. The bottom line is that Mike Kekel (in writing) dogged his father in law, the NTCC leadership and the organization. I don't know how you could look at it any other way.

Then Mike wrote...

"My influence on the bible school rules has only been to lighten them, not increase them. Further, since I wasn't a bible school student during that time, I was not UNDER those rules. The sports rule was not bible based to begin with, and was for bible school students. Not me."

Jeff said...

So Kekel is admitting here that the rules were too stringent hence the need to, and I quote, "lighten them". Boy that sure does put old RDub's and the general boards decision making abilities in question. Mike said that "the sports rule was not bible based to begin with." So I wonder what rule these control mongers have come up with over the years that have been quote "Bible based"? Mike said the sports rule wasn't for him. I guess the NTCC leadership forgot to tell their sorry abusive pastors (who'd incidentally had been taught by the NTCC leadership), that the rules against organized sports participation shouldn't apply to church members either. They sure preached against it enough, I can tell you that. The fact is at this point, any sensible person should question every decision, standard and or rule that anyone in the NTCC leadership ever came up with.

I don't believe in following some bogus guidance that Kekel has clearly pointed out isn't and wasn't Bible based to begin with. I don't know how you NTCCers can stick around and follow these control mongers who's decision making abilities are clearly in question here. I'd rather follow a blind, three legged dog if I was blind also. I'd make it a whole lot further in life. How in the world can an intelligent person deny what I've just typed? I didn't write Kekel's statements, he did, and they just confirmed what I've been saying all along. What do I know, I'm just a bitter, hater who turned down the opportunity to attend the NTCC's "SCHOOL OF RULES" who an NTCC pastor said of me that "my house meant more to me than the calling of GAWD". Well knowing what I know now, I'd rather follow someone who "called" me to shovel crap than attend a non accredited school full of ridiculous rules that according Kekel himself aren't even Bible based to begin with. Get some of that. Above and highlighted in red are some excerpts of what Kekel decided to remove from his blog. When are you NTCCers going to wake up out of your slumber. Thank God that he gave me the fortitude and clearness of sight and mind to leave the NTCC, move on with my life, and get it back in the right direction. Nothing wrong with following Jesus but the NTCC leadership is corrupt and self serving and this blog is full of evidence which proves as such.

Jeff

The Split, Ron Denis, And A Bunch Of Morally Weak NTCC Ministers

The NTCC leadership didn't have a problem with him as long as Denis pushed one of these to Graham after every church service. He was the greatest but then came the spit.

Thread originally posted on 4-10-09

Thread #15 I don’t even know where to begin but here we go. When the split took place I was attending church services with the NTCC in Columbus Georgia. Columbus Georgia was significant where the split was concerned because Ron Denis had spent a substantial amount of time in Columbus during a few month period leading right up to the day of the Split. Denis was doing much of his departure planning in and around Savannah Georgia at that time which resulted in him going back and forth to Columbus because it was close. J. Hunt was the pastor of the Columbus church and he had direct knowledge of certain split plans and preparations that Denis had made prior to the event ever taking place.

What's interesting here is that Hunt always, without exception, had only great things to say about Denis prior to Denis leaving the NTCC. I know; I was in his church. I must emphasize that J. Hunt the pastor in Columbus and S. Mayers the pastor in Atlanta would speak so very, very highly of Denis and they would always place Denis on an enormous pedestal. To them Denis was the man; he was great; he was the ultimate leader; he was a great example of what we all should have strived to be as Christians. In fact I had never heard anyone EVER speak a single negative word against Denis prior to him leaving the NTCC. RWD obviously thought he was great because RWD strongly influenced the general board to promote Denis to not only the Director of all Servicemen’s Homes but also to Overseer, which are two very significant positions for a minister to hold within the NTCC.

Then all of a sudden the split takes place, and it is such a significant event that it rocked the very foundations of the NTCC. J. Hunt told us, his church members, while in his church building, that he knew that the split was going to take place but he elected not to tell anyone to include RWD. Why?

M.D. Reed and I lived in the servicemen’s home together at Ft. Hood Texas in 1985 and we were friends. I mentioned that so you understand our association with each other as close friends and brothers living in the same servicemen’s home together. While I was at conference and I must note; after the split, Matthew Reed told me that he hadn’t liked Denis one bit and they actually had a verbal altercation with each other.  I talked to M. Kekel on the phone approximately one month ago and he told me that he didn’t like Denis one bit but yet his own father in law, RWD continued to promote Denis right up to the end. Why? L.D. Jones told me over dinner one day in Columbus that he didn’t care for Denis but he also elected to keep his mouth shut. Why?

Because other than Kekel, they were all scared of getting blacklisted by RWD and his henchmen. The one important thing to note here is that these people that I mentioned had no problem talking bad about Denis to me, but they didn’t do so until after Denis had left the NTCC. I guarantee had I asked any of them, they would have either said nothing or they would have had only good things to say about Denis prior to his departure. This isn’t speculation because as I've already stated, some of these folks always said only great things about Denis prior to his departure. Of course Denis convinced a whole bunch of folks to include ministers to go along with him when he left the NTCC but this does not change the fact than NO ONE kicked Denis out of the NTCC; he simply left on his own. If Denis was as bad as all these influential NTCC folks only NOW say he was, why did he just keep getting promoted and why wasn't anything ever done about his alleged abusive practices. That dude kept doing his own thing with RWDs and the General Boards stamp of approval right up until the day he left the NTCC. Had Denis not left on his own he would still be in the NTCC and no one would be talking all this trash. You all need to quit making Denis out to be the only guilty party because Denis only served where he did because RWD and the General Board put him there. PERIOD!!!

So what does this tell you? That not only are NTCC ministers morally weak unlike Mordecai, but if what they said they felt about Denis is even true, they were all scared to say anything to Olson or RWD because they are afraid to be considered jealous or they are afraid to get blacklisted as has happened to so many of their fellow NTCC ministers before. I happen to know this is also true because I was told this by at least three of the people that I mentioned above. That may not have been exactly the way they said it to me, but that is exactly what they were saying. RWD leads explicitly by fear and that folks it the worse type of leadership that can exist in any unit or organization. To fear God is healthy but to lead your church by teaching them to fear you is sorry leadership.

Denis may be a crook, (just like so many NTCC pastors) but I got sick and tired of hearing weak NTCC ministers talk bad about Denis because they weren't saying that junk while he was there. So many of you are using Denis as a scapegoat to help explain away all your abusive practices as if Denis didn’t learn these things from RWD himself. All that I ever here from NTCC ministers is how bad Denis was and now he is gone, but you weren’t saying that before he left. Don't forget NTCC ministers, it wasn't anything that you did which resulted in Denis leaving because you are weak. Never forget that Denis LEFT ON HIS OWN because you were too weak to tell someone of your supposed grievance with Denis. RWD and Olson were two ineffective leaders anyway who are too insecure to have listened to you or they just didn't care because Denis had brought in so much money to their greedy organization. They weren't willing to part with such a financial asset as Ron Denis hence the picture posted up above. 

One last thing: Please don't anyone insult me by suggesting that God set up Denis’ departure because that is the excuse that you guys give every time to justify your failures. Denis was a free moral agent who left the NTCC willfully and totally on his own.

More True Stories About The NTCC's Fearless Leader

Original thread posted on 3/27/09

Thread #9 Believe it or not I gave this sensitive issue some thought before I decided to to highlight some recent information that was posted concerning the CEO / leader of the NTCC. Specifically Mr. Mike Kekel who is the NTCC CEO. That title classifies him as someone who "should" be considered a leader. Mr. Kekel has recently decided to attack a few people in writing, and as a result someone decided to pull the proverbial plug on him and post some alarming information.

For starters, I didn't know that the NTCC condoned such behavior as a 24 year old man physically playing with the body of a 15 year old girl. For that matter they shouldn't be condoning 23 or 24 year old men even dating 14 or 15 year old girls. Well these are the kind of things that come to the forefront when you back a cat up against a wall. Most cats come out fighting and that is what you will find, if you read Vic Johanson's statement in one of the earlier threads. Below is a portion of what Vic wrote. Sometimes it's a good idea to be careful who's daughter you attack in writing because they may decide to flip the script on you Mr. Kekel. Vic should know; he was quite close to Mike back then. Early in this thread Vic made a correction concerning the age estimates so I made a correction here as well. According to Vic, Tanya was about 15 years old and Mike was about 24 years old when Mike mentioned to Vic and others that Mike and Tanya had been getting very CLOSE to each other physically, i.e. touching and fondling and such.

Most Fathers would go to the door with a shotgun to meet a 24 year old man if such a 24 year old came a calling on his 15 year old daughter. My daughter is a teen and she needs to be focused on school work, not 24 year old men or any other men for that matter. My daughter needs to learn to take care of herself because a dude won't necessarily always be around as is evidenced by the NTCC's divorce rate. Also, some men die, so where does that put your daughter? Struggling and destitute and Mike wrote that it's not the NTCC's biblical responsibility to take care of her if she has ANY family members still living because in such cases she wouldn't be considered "a widow in deed". The NTCC leadership doesn't care about a girls academic progress because they are only interested in marrying their young daughters off to grown men with the hope that he will always be there to take care of her. This has quite often proven not to be the case throughout the NTCC's history. Typical evidence of a CULT. At the time it didn't seem to bother old RWD that his 14 or 15 year old daughter was dating a 23 or 24 year old man, but a guilty conscience often dictates the decisions of men.

Vic wrote...

"Bro Johnson, maybe you could ask Mike about the premarital grope sessions he had with Tanya in the church office when she was about 15 and he was in his 20s, since he seems to be so concerned about the immoral behavior of others. It happened, and not only did he boastfully admit it to me and his other dorm mates, he also justified it when we expressed our consternation. What a piece of work. Of course, when a concerned brother went to RW over it, nothing happened. I guess the "apostle" could relate to that kind of behavior."

Now you have the rest of the story. Holy, Schmoly. You wonder why I left the NTCC? I got tired of following a bunch of fake, abusive, hypocrites. Just more lies of the devil I suppose? You decide. Let Mike tell it and he will say that the things we write are no more than a bunch of lies. Mike said "they didn't go there" before they were married. Didn't go where? That was a good duck and dodge response if I've ever saw one. A complete idiot could see right through that response. I have no reason to doubt these testimonies for one second after all the garbage that I experienced in the NTCC. I got jumped all over by an NTCC pastor for talking to a GROWN woman on the phone. I should have told that pastor to kiss my forth point of contact. In Airborne terms that would be your rear end. That is supposed to be the forth point of your body that makes contact with the ground during your landing or (PLF), after you jump out of an airplane with a parachute.

Jeff