6/20/2015

The Bible Clearly Shows A Pattern Of The Church Providing Monetarily Relief For It's Poor. Virtually All NTCC Widows Fall In That Category.


Mike Kekel quoted:

1 Tim 5:16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.

Mike Kekel wrote:

"To date, we've had none that qualify by the Bible. I'm sorry if that presents for you or the Shunks an inconvenience, but God wrote it, not NTCC. People are taught this in Bible College, they cannot claim ignorance."

Chief quoted:

1Cor 16:1-2 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

Chief wrote: Below is a copy of the portion of the NTCCs doctrinal statement concerning tithes.

Tithe
We recognize the scriptural duty of all people as well as ministers, to pay tithes unto the Lord. (Heb. 7:8) Tithes should be used for the support of the active ministry and for the propagation of the Gospel and the work of the Lord. It is not to be given to charity or used for other purposes. (Mal. 3:7–11; Heb. 7:2; 1 Cor. 9:7–11; 16:2)

Chief asked: So why did the NTCC include 1 Cor 16:2 if they are really so concerned about doctrinal purity as Mike wants to point out as I've illustrated above. In Strong's, look up the word "collection" which was taken up for the saints in 1Cor 16. It is word number 3048 in the Strong's numbering system. The word "collection" in 1Cor 16 means and I quote: "a collection of money gathered for the relief of the poor" end of quote. If there is any doubt about what I've written I've attached a hyperlink which you can click that verifies my absolute, concrete conclusion. Read it for yourself and click the link below and please keep an open mind. The word "gatherings" used in 1Cor 16:2 means the exact same thing. Strong's #3048. Click on the link.


The point I'm making here is that the NTCC and Mike Kekel will use the Bible in a hot second, if it supports their desire to not provide financial support for a widow, (indeed or not) but they will plainly twist the scriptures (which I've proven they do) while misusing and deceitfully using the Bible to support their greedy desire to get financial support from you. 1Cor 16:2 has absolutely nothing to do with paying tithe but it does have to do with taking up a collection of money for the purpose of relieving the poor Saints in the church which any NTCC Widow falls in the category of whether or not she can be truly considered a "Widow indeed".

What is also interesting is that the NTCC uses 1Cor 16 in a feeble attempt to justify paying 10% of your income to the church however in their doctrinal statement they say that tithe can not be given to charity (which in complete contrast to their doctrinal statement) is exactly what the folks were in fact doing in 1Cor 16:2. I quote again, "a collection of money gathered for the relief of the poor" and more specifically a collection taken up to for the relief of the poor Saints in the Christian church as can be plainly seen in 1Cor 16:1. 

16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.
Now I will come unto you, when I shall pass through Macedonia: for I do pass through Macedonia.

Now look at the account of the same event found in Romans.

Rom 15:25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints. 

26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

Neither one of those two passages have JACK to do with paying tithe so why does the decieptful NTCC leadership include 1 Cor 16:2 in their doctrinal statement to justify the doctrine of compulsory tithing?  Because they are crooks and you NTCCers are dummies because you don't question them and you blindly buy off on this mess.  Whether or not you believe in tithing is not the issue here; that's entirely up to you.  The issue here is that your stinking sorry sad hypocritical NTCC leadership is willfully misusing the scriptures in this case and you NTCCers are too stupid and brainwashed to see and admit the obvious.  

So what we see here folks is a bunch of NTCC leaders who will use the Bible to justify them receiving and keeping your money but not giving it for the relief of the poor which I guarantee virtually all NTCC widows fall in the category of. Please study what I've written here folks.

Chief

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Anonymous said...

Kekel and company are quick to quote scripture to refute an argument. It's too bad they don't realize that the very scriptures they are using are actually condemning themselves!

JM

DS or GS said...

1 Cor 16(2): Doesn't teach about tithe. But, since they use this one verse to help support their position on tithe, NTCC's tithe should go to the poor (but not to any widows who are poor).

1 Cor 9(7–11): Teaches ministers are to be supported by the church, not that congregants should tithe.

Heb 7(2): Teaches Abraham paid tithe (to Jesus?) from the spoils of war.

Heb 7(8): Teaches men receive tithe, not that this is right, and not that Christians have to pay tithe. Of course, how can you receive something unless it is given? So maybe it is up to the individual, without any penalty (unless they sin against their own convictions)?

Malachi is Old Testament.

So, NTCC has made a commandment out of one verse (Heb 7:8)?

Interesting. Good stuff Jeff.

Gregory the unlearned

DS or GS said...

Also,

NTCC says..."Tithes should be used for the support of the active ministry and for the propagation of the Gospel and the work of the Lord."

Where in the Bible does it say tithes are "...for the propagation of the Gospel and the work of the Lord."? or that tithes are "...not to be given to charity or used for other purposes."?

Gregory the unlearned

DS or GS said...

And...

Where in Heb 7(8) does it say ministers have to pay tithe?

Gregory the unlearned

double-D said...

There is so much about tithing on the internet- many of you have found the truth. I won't go into it all. Jeff, you are right, when Jesus said, "This ye ought to have done" it WAS to Jews under the law. If McK follows that- then to another as Jesus said- (to the rich young ruler man)- sell what you have- give to THE POOR.. and ye shall have eternal life... McK give to the poor? hah!

"Tithing" was "re-discovered" by the Church a few hundred yrs ago- after the courts ruled they could not levy a tax anymore on citizens. Also where is the storehouse? The place where lambs are fed? can't be NTCC, then... they do not FEED with the pure WORD. Maybe its Jerusalem (1 Cor 16:2) Money was never tithe-able in the OT. Abraham paid a tax to Melchezidek... etc..

Add to/pay for salvation? Ye are then fallen from grace! Cannot take one passage and make a doctrine out of it... yet NTCC did... many hobby horses! Why? those of us who have left know the truth! Sweet water CANNOT flow from a bitter stream!

Anonymous said...

MC Kekel,

You wrote on your blog, and I quote:

"You will notice that I said "leaves God" and not "leaves NTCC" because one can be a Christian in any church, if they believe in Christ as their savior and follow his commandments. NTCC is just a place one can go to to find God. It is not the only place. NTCC-ites seem to confuse their church with God. God may dwell there in many hearts, as I know for a fact he does, but NTCC does not equal God".

Well, Mike Kekel, THAT is news to me! I thought that NTCC was the ONLY church preaching the Truth in Holy Spirit Power, aka the "Last Great Hope of America" At least, that is what your preachers used to teach.

Your own preachers in your organization have preached, and I quote "If OTHER churches were preaching the truth, then NTCC would not need to be here"

So now Mike, you are essentially stating that it is OK if one does NOT attend NTCC. I say again, you are stating that it is OK FOR ONE NOT TO ATTEND NTCC (aka Ex-NTCC'ers). You have completely fliped the script here. NTCC is now, thanks to your efforts, a MAINSTREAM church, (I

You have come full circle as far as NTCC is concerned. You are essentially stating that one can go to ANY church as long as God is there, NOT just NTCC.

I do not feel so angry anymore. Now, I feel perfectly justified attending the Methodist church that I attend.

RW Davis stated, and I quote "I give NTCC 30 years" before compromise sets in. Well, it has happened, thanks to YOUR efforts.

I guess I owe you a debt of thanks. Thanks for making NTCC a REGULAR church! While your at it, can you install a big projecter screen on top of the podium, and lower it during song service so one can read the words of scripture or songs for that matter (no need to bring a Bible anymore!). That is what we do in my church, works just as fine as if one brought an actual Bible, them Bibles get so heavy (mind you, they were so heavy that the Catholics used to chain them to the podium so no one could steal them!!)

In Gratitude,

ANON!!

Anonymous said...

Since when does Ntcc encourage people to bring Bibles to church???

when i was interested in ntcc i visited Graham while my brother was in BS and ignorantly brought my Bible to church like all real christians do!!!

I was told by my brother that you dont do that because it distracts the preacher as pages are turning

I knew then that ntcc was a fake church since they did not want people bringing bibles to church- the real reason---someone will actually read their bible and see that the preacher is wrong!!!!

Run as fast as you can from this mind-control cult!!!! run and never look back- the leaders are evil beasts!!!

sincerely
T

Anonymous said...

Ole Mike is at it again. Now he is trying to prove that divorce is Ok and he has never had a hand in any of the divorce's. But his WIFE has and his Mother in-law has!!!!

Can sit and read the junk he keep putting up. As if it proves he is good and we are bad. More gradeschool playground maturity being displayed by Mike K.

Look at this statement from his blog.
If the X-men hate NTCC's "old-fashioned ways" I don't know how they accept Les Rinehart, because he's of the "closed-toe shoes, long sleeves only" crowd.

Wonder where he comes up with don't like the Old Fashion ways of ntcc. What is Old fashion about it these days!LOL Your becoming a Compromising cult Mike ole boy! Sports played by the kids,unholy garments these kids are wearing. There is No LOOSE fitting pants a football player can wear! Country music is accepted(wordly music) Bluegrass festivals(worldly music) Makeup by the ladies,french pressed nails,kids going around tossing out GANGSTER SIGNS!!! sideways peace sign is a GANGSTER symbol. Check it out! Vacations taking up Gods time! Wasting Gods money on a 20,000 a year tuition by Mike. Non mandatory conference's. Non mandatory saturday soul-winning meetings. Members can have a TV!!!! basketball court in Mike's backyard! girls in ntcc wearing DENIUM skirts like the penticostle's. Was preached against. Soon there will be dinglebobs in there ears and painted face's,necklace's. TV in ministers home.

No Mike,I think your mistaken. Maybe remembering back about five years ago. When ntcc WAS OLD FASHION!

Guess what Mike there is no accepting Reinhart. Or me accepting you or anyone else. I am not JUDGING anyone's personal life. That is up to THEM AND GOD! You have no say in accepting there life. or trying to put down someone's life. How astonishing you would broadcast and try and smear someone else once again. Just like you did to Bruce from the Dispatch. A reporter doing his job,getting both side's. Since this article did not make you all look all peachy. Then Blast away,smear his name,bring up his personal life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How manly are you mike? With your puffy,soft,manicured white hands. Your hair that never messes up. Suits and ironed denium if you wear jeans. Maybe your hiding something Mike? Maybe your Gay and you just don't want folks to know that.
Those that cry the loudest,most likely have something they are hiding. I wonder what folks would find if they went to your hometown? Maybe we should broadcast YOUR personal life,like you did to Bruce! Yeah,it is all nice and dandy when you do it. Since your the SOO called man of GAWD. You think you can do anything,say anything. And God is protecting you. AS IF. God was NEVER with you Mike.

Where did you get your riches. From Daddy warebucks himself,Rw davis. without him and marrying his daughter. You would be a deadbeat minister. Still scraping it by!!!! Sit up on your lofty seat,look down your nose at others. And we can all wonder about your sexual private concerns. What a horrible,horrible person you are to smear a man. That far as I know,has not said much of anything lately.

Another fine example showing us and the world what ntcc is ALL about! Thanks Mike for helping the cause of exposing ya'll. Keep those messages coming.

April

Anonymous said...

It's really quite simple; ethical behavior is expected in all fields of labor. It boils down to not getting involved in other people's matters. When God gives you a Pastor, he will be your friend for life, and that's not something anyone wants to change. But if he gives you another one somewhere else, the first one should be very careful about interfering with or hindering the new Pastor's ability to help you. If the new one was somehow failing you, then there's a right way to proceed; that would not be tearing down the new Pastor, for sure. I think the first Pastor should be the one to ensure things remain ethical with your edification as a first priority.

God bless you, hope this helps, feel free to ask more.
M C Kekel

Ok folks what a bunch of garbage that comes out of this man's mouth! Not trying to get into anyone's bussiness. that is what ntcc is REALLY good at. Getting into folks bussiness. SPIES are everyone. And not being paranoid. I have seen and wittness it happen.

Oh and guess what i attended a church since leaving ntcc. And then we moved to a diff. state. Got a new pastor. GASP,I stay in touch with that old pastor. as a FRIEND! And I also stay in touch with a ministry prayer group. Amazing how that can happen everyone else BUT ntcc!

They don't want you in touch with your old Pastor. because each ntcc minister does NOT do it the same way as you hear that said over and over! Go to one ntcc church,it is the same across the board. NO! You got some that want seld gratification from there conregation. You got some that are JUST there for the lost souls. Some that push and push there workers,GUILT them into handing over more money! it is not the same. If you stay in touch with the former church you were in. You would find that out.

Oh and ntcc folks,Go HOME and visit family as MUCH as possible!! staying around just the same folks ALL the time! You will find out how it will change you as a person. Stay well rounded!


April

Anonymous said...

If it is his wife he is so concerned about being taken care of then why not go down and get a little $30 per month $200,000 life insurance policy? Lets see, $30 x 12 months = $360 per year. If he lives another 20 years that would be a $7,200 PERSONAL interest for his wife's well being. Or here's one for you, why not take care of his pennies and his dollars will take care of themselves. Have we not heard that one before? The direction in the bible about taking care of your own, (in whatever facet), so far outweights OTHERS taking care of you it is rediculous to think the CHURCH is supposed to take care of you.
Why not just man-up and do what you want others to do for you. Stop eating the fast food burger (mentality) and then you'll start getting somewhere financially.

Have a great day!

Johnny Cardenas
Here is another message from Mike's blog. Can anyone see the CHANGE that has happened in ntcc??????
It is now acceptable to have LIFE INSURANCE. Rw davis bashed and bashed and bashed life insurance. Anything that would take away from there pockets staying full of money.
But John was never one to follow the Company Line to the T! and now that RULES have CHANGED. His boys playing sports. I am sure they are loving that. His wife did tell me,oh we like ntcc the way it is NOW! Of course they do. It is MAINSTREAM Church full of compromise. WHY,to Keep the people in there pews. Which is in direct violation of what rw davis stood for. He can be quoted as saying,WHO cares what people feel,think. We will preach Gods word(false word) no matter what others say. I guess that has changed. Mike is seeing folks fleeing at alarming rate. Is desperate to keep people in and will say and do anything for that to happen. He is seeing his MEGA church dream slipping away.
Won't have anyone to live in his new SUBDIVISION on those 39 acre's that has a BUILDING PERMIT SUBMITTED in Pierce County!

He won't help a widow,has never had his hand in breaking up marriage's in ntcc(his wife sure has),Now life insurance are accepted,what is next????

Oh and one other thing. John C. lives in Washington.Not out in a work,scraping it by. As many that have NEVER left WA are still there. I am sure living a nice cushy life. They will of course take up for ntcc. Some should be pushed out of there nice comfoy nest(connors,chave's,winter's,perez,Cardenus........)This is the ntcc safe money! But these folks will only go So far in life!Only as far as Mike K. wants them to go.

April

Anonymous said...

Brother Jeff,

I have noticed that, since after conference, the demographics of your recent visitors have changed.

I am noticing big clusters of folks from the extreme Northeast, somewhere in Maine/Deleware/New Hamp area.

Interesting!!

Don't know if it is preachers or people, but man you got the four corners of CONUS covered!

Bro Johnson

Anonymous said...

April,

I do not think Kekel is gay. I do think he is hiding something, but could it be his goal to outlast all of us and RW Davis?

When Davis dies, NTCC as we USED to know it dies with him. NTCC will run on his (Kekel's)dictates. All RW Davis had to do if he really stood for anything would be (if he really was sincere about holiness) not accept ANY man to date Tonya unless the guy mirrored his core beliefs and values.

For RW Davis to look away and let Kekel do what he wants to do just LEAKS compromise, or he never really cared, it was all a ponzie scheme afterall.

Fastforward 10 years from now. Are we still going to be on this or any other blog groping and complaining about the way NTCC used to be? Something to think about: Let the Dead bury their dead!!

Get on with your lives people!!!

In Appreciation of this blog,

Bro Johnson

Anonymous said...

You would show up to clean Tanya's house. And tasks were doled out. Clean the laundry room,the bedrooms,office(where Mike had his Sex books) that is a fact! Dusted his bookshelve's!
IRONED a Stack of cloths for Tanya. As if ironing was such a hard task for her. To care for two people. These women did All there own ironing,cooking,cleaning,gardening,ect. And still Squeezed in a few hours each week to clean Tanya's home. Then have some pipsqueak. Whoever was Tanya's pet,inspecting your work. If it was not done to pass her inspection. then you had to redo it!
I lasted three maybe four times. One time I got into a car accident. We were there until about three thirty PM. I had to go home,clean up,pick my DD up from the babysitter. Somehow get supper and grab typed notes. And head back to Graham for classes that night. We lived in Tacoma at the time,by the mall.
I got into a car accident on Kapaowskin (sp) Highway. ended up in the ditch. Guess what a sister stopped by to help me. But first she had to use the Troopers phone to call Mike K. to ask permission if she could follow me home. My car was driveable,It was a Saturn!
Got home,got my DD,grab something to eat. And made it in time for classes.
Next day,whiplash. Which I am just now dealing with some back issue's from that car accident!

Saw Mike K. it was not. How can we help you out sister. is there Anything we can do. No,some joke about being a race car driver. I was going 55 MPH!speed limit was 50 MPH!

As far as inspections go. I wonder if Tanya still gives the once over when the ladies walk into Church??? Would walk in and she would look up and down. As if I had to pass her inspection!! So if I knew what door she was at. I would avoid her door. I skipped that horrible coat line. took my coat with me. And then out of that building as quick as possible. Scoop up my Child and out of the COMPOUND!

April

Anonymous said...

Those of ya'll in ntcc. And thinking of getting out. And you have no idea what would I do for work. Since I got no skills. I LOST my GI bill.
The Army has raised the age limit of getting in,or getting back in.
And Guess what folks. You can get your GI BACK,reinstated. Do not pay anything in. Since you paid for it already!
My hubby is back in right now. And is going to be using his GI bill for a degree! In the medical field! What some might consider a REAL job. Not working out,installing insulation,sheet rock,cabinets. Jobs that there is no advacement.
And I am a disabled Vet,and am about to use my VA retraining to also go into a profession. Helping others. well,actually it would be catching and putting folks like the cat killers in ntcc behind bars,or making resitution for there actions. I will become a vet assist. and work with the Humane society!! Funny twist of events!

I also have another vet web site. I will post that later. I need to get it from my hubby. Lots of either free schooling or low cost for ALL vets! There ARE options NO matter what your age is. Don't think,oh I have been here this long. Might as well stay. If you know your in a bad place,this is not a Godly environment. Flea and there is lots of avenue's to go in.

April

Anonymous said...

"You will notice that I said "leaves God" and not "leaves NTCC" because one can be a Christian in any church, if they believe in Christ as their savior and follow his commandments. NTCC is just a place one can go to to find God. It is not the only place. NTCC-ites seem to confuse their church with God. God may dwell there in many hearts, as I know for a fact he does, but NTCC does not equal God".

This was written by an anonymous poster, not MCK. MCK put it up on his blog in effort to refute it. Poorly, I might add.

jm

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Kekel has Tonya go on his web site a few hundred times a day to boost his web site count?!!

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Kekel has Tonya go on his web site a few hundred times a day to boost his web site count?!! anon

HA HA HA

Anonymous said...

If Tanya goes on his blog. She will see what a jerk he can be towards people. By using there names,private e-mails,smears and MAKES UP stuff about missionary workers, as he tries to do his damage control. What a great minister Mike Is!! What a great Christian Mike Is!

Anonymous said...

Bro Jeff,

I forwarded this blog out already, I might have deleted it by accident prior to submission; even I understand that it may be too harsh even for NTCC:

Remember in the Bible where it talks about folks who are eternally "dammned"; "wandering stars", least they "see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and be converted" (aka get Saved), that there would be those who would BELIEVE A LIE and face damnation?

This is throwing it out there a little bit, but whats to say that satan has not sent an evil spirit to infiltrate the leadership that we know of at NTCC, inc (or that God allowed it in his divine providence).

Greed. This evil spirit is alive and well in NTCC. Case study: Mike Kekel.

Money. Million Dollar mansions. Kekel could just as easily live comfortably in a 220K house verses a mansion. Money can be a wonderful servant. It can be a terrible master. Kekel has been bowing down to the Balaam money demon for a while now.

Power. Kekel, once again, takes the cake. As you stated Jeff, Kekel has enough knowledge of the Bible to be dangerous.

That is what cults do. Twist the Bible around to fit their agenda. One size fits all. The problem is, you can't sugar coat sin!!

NTCC Leadership makes Halloween look like Christmas in July.

If you replace the Title "Reverand" with the title "Demon" or "devil" then you would address the leadership as "Demon Devonshire" or "Devil Kekel"

Devils and Doctrine of Devils are running NTCC, not the other way around!

That is pretty scary stuff if you actually think about it. Old Slewfoot is at it again!

If NTCC leadership could be compared to the Army, then Kekel would be labled a Draft Doger!!

i wonder if Canada has cults like NTCC??

Bro Johnson

Anonymous said...

Why would NTCC be opposed to life insurance? If someone buys a $400,000 policy then NTCC's cut could potentially be $40,000.

Anonymous said...

Welcome back Chief...

Anonymous said...

I've gotta say, it's absolutely ridiculous to continue attending this church. It's not even a former shadow of itself. Eventually the whole tithe thing will be dropped and it will be one of those word faith churches that have 15000 people that attend. I'm not sure what is worse... I'd hate to see Kekel pull off a transformation for the "better". If his church then grows like a normal church should he'll have even more people under his thumb.

Judging by the graduating class of 14 and 15 though the clock is ticking on NTCC. No longer can they say a warm body will fill the pulpit... Not enough bodies to go around anymore. Teacher to Student Ratio is 2-1 or worse...

Keep runnin' 'er into the ground Kekel, you gimp wristed sally.

Anonymous said...

Gimp wristed Sally... I like that.

Anonymous said...

Brilliant Chief... Put some old stuff up... Still very relevant stuff here.

While Tithing isn't a bad thing it sure seems to be in this case. Is there a good man out there that can lead a church?

Mike

Anonymous said...

Round up the X-Men, lets go to a service and throw in pennies

Vic Johanson said...

Tithing IS a bad thing. It's a lie and a tool of control and oppression. Moses is dead.

Anonymous said...

I guess my feeling is if you want to have church in a house then don't tithe. If you go to church (I don't) and you like AC/Heat, nice pews/chairs, nice building... Then contribute a reasonable amount whatever that may be.

Anonymous said...

It's a tragedy what happens to widows in this org. How greedy do you have to be knowing there are people suffering within your church before you get out of your sports car that's parked next to your mansion and help.

Kekel, you might be the most evil human on earth.

Jackass!!!

Anonymous said...

Kind of my sentiments as well. These NTCC leadership guys are greedy to the max. The real tragedy is how ignorant the people are who are still in the NTCC. It's amazing they can't see through this mess. Some of this stuff is so obvious now. With the internet there are no real secrets any longer. The existence of Grant in itself, should have everyone leaving the NTCC in packs. It's not about Christ and it's obvious that it never was. It's about the Davis Kekel family amassing as much money as humanly possible.

Anonymous said...

My GOD!!! Don't get me started on Grant. He's exhibit A, through Z on how corrupt this org is.

Secular Sports

Sports Attire,

Catholic School,

Secular College,

Secular Music,

Kekel, I have no idea how you've gotten away with this crap.


Anonymous said...

Hope everyone had a great 4th of July. God bless America.

Anonymous said...

What are the chances Kinson, Johnson, Difrancesco end up pastoring works that are withering or have no pastor... It's gotta be discussed as this org is dying.

Anonymous said...

I'd love to see those guys thrown to the wolves... They haven't had to do a thing but live the high life for the last few decades.

No chance though. Those guys would rather get paid off and leave then have to lift a finger by actually pastoring a work.

Anonymous said...

These guys are untouchable, (for the most part) with very few exceptions. Just face it. We all got duped and conned. An expensive lesson indeed. Very expensive for people like the Reeds who spent decades of their lives in that miserable org. Such a shame. The NTCC leaders belong behind bars at best.

Anonymous said...

No one is untouchable. Someone who eventually finds their way is going to be much angrier than us and reach out and touch someone.

Anonymous said...

While ousting Mr. Bluegrass seems unlikely the damage from all the info people can find online is working. As discussed on blogs the graduating classes are down to those of the 1980's levels (12: 5 guys and 7 girls I believe).

Kekel is running the org into the ground and nothing will change until the rest of the big wigs bottom lines are affected.

Once Kekel has to tell Johnson, Olson, and whomever else is living the highlife that it's time to go pioneer a work then it will be game on. Clearly the serviceman's homes aren't producing BS students at the rate they were in the 90's when I was in. I believe my church alone sent 10 people over 3 years.

I'm sure the constant deployments of the past decade put a damper on recruitment as well as causing an exodus of soldiers not wanting to fall back into that regiment.

I believe Kekel was trying to move away from the kind of church that has high turnover to one that becomes large (like a word faith church/warehouse church). Unfortunately, you can't just go from holiness to whatever Christianity is now without getting rid of all your old timers. If he wasn't such a money grubbing deviant I'd say that was fine. If his wife wasn't the Paris Hilton of the organization it wouldn't bother me so much. These people make me sick and I want them in a trailer park with nothing more than BS certificates hanging from their walls.

Anonymous said...

I'd love to know what is going through all of the old time members now that Mike completely revamped the church and did away with much of the holiness.

I'd like to be a fly on the wall.

Anonymous said...

I know what you mean...

I'd also like to see some of the widows who've been left destitute during Mike's stay at his mansion get neck deep in his A$$ for the poverty he and his father in law left them in. How can you not take mercy on them from your Ivory Tower Kekel?

Mike

Anonymous said...

The only widow is Verna. All the other widows either get married off quickly or are run off so no one in the church has to deal with them.

Absolute scummy way to deal with people.

Anonymous said...

Wonder how Verna is doing these days...

Anonymous said...

Ashmore has left NTCC and is now calling it a cult. How did that happen?

His hand chosen 2nd in command is a loony toon as seen on You Tube.

The problem now is I think some Xer's are buying into his crap.

I don't care if he takes NTCC members away but if he draws Xmembers who've escaped then that's a damn shame!

Mike

Anonymous said...

I don't have a comment towards this post. More a concern. My husband had been going to New Testament in Ft. Hood, TX where he got saved. Its almost like the place had a spell over him.I guess that church broke off into House of Prayer. I visited one time, and boy was I blown away. I grew up Presbyterian, where we didn't as so much raise our hands in worship (sometimes). The preacher yelled so loud I literally got a headache. So i left the room until the end, then a lady came up to me and asked me if she could pray with me. I didn't know her from Adam so I told her "no thank you ". I felt like a true sinner lol.When he was stationed in Hawaii we moved to the New Testament there.Now don't get me wrong, the pastor there married us,him and his wife are the sweetest people on the planet.As it seems, most of the pastors (former military) are so very kind and welcomed us with open arms. At first I did think it was weird, that all the women wore their hair long and no make up and long dresses. After doing some research I came to the conclusion that "oh its a traditional thing". It always struck me that the church never seemed to grow. And now that we are in OKlahoma I would say the same thing. The church just doesn't grow. Could it be that they sing the same hymns every sunday, to the same beat, ? Heck if I know. I still continue to go to the church I have been going to for the past 7 years lifechurch.tv This church is polar opposite, with no yelling. I hear a lot of preaching about blessings. I appreciate the pastor and his wife. But it does concern me that our hard earned money is going to the brothel in Washington (which ironically my husband recently visited ). Whats strange is that my husband would go to NTCC on wednesdays, and i felt like they thought i was "in the wrong" for going to this other church which actually challenges me and leads me closer to God. Well now we regularly attend Sunday. (I still go to my church and take me husband with me, because he enjoys it too). There have been several things that just ...strike me as odd. Is there any way you could email me? Or do you have an email?
-Concerned Wife.

Anonymous said...

Also,
It strikes me as odd that these pastors literally live in houses that are falling apart. My husband says "they are just doing God's work, they are happy". Um really? Because their roof is falling off. I really sometimes wonder if these women feel like they have no way out. I really sometimes wonder if they are dying on the inside because A. They went to a "Bible College" that has no accreditation whatsoever, B it seems like they have to bow down to their husband and have no means of making a living if they did leave. I am all for submitting to your husband, I get that, there cannot be two head of the household. But I feel like these women are oppressed, truly.

Anonymous said...

They are oppressed. No doubt. Submitting to a husband is relative. The bibles teaches that if a man doesn't provide for his family he is worse than an infidel. Jesus talked about the blind leading the blind. Well some of these ntcc men are just plain sorry. The truth is, most of them are. They are certainly blind and brainwashed. I woman doesn't have to submit to an infidel. If your husband holds up grocery stores and he wants you to drive the get away car, do you have to submit to him? Hell no. How much less should you submit to a brainwashed sucker who is part of a known proven cult? Well the bible doesn't suggest that a woman should submit to a blind brainwashed sucker who blindly gives his money to greedy con artists.

Two heads may not work but if your husband's head is brainwashed and deceived, then he doesn't have a head so you better use yours. Get a job at Walmart and take a taxi to work if you have to but you better figure out a way to get out from under the control of some brainwashed sucker or you are going to waste your entire life dealing with a stupid cult.

Anonymous said...

Be ready to get divorced because he'll serve you papers the minute he thinks he's called and you're not. I imagine he's struggling with that now.

The biggest problem you'll face is he'll wear it as a badge of honor that he divorced you for the work of God. Eventually you'll be his enemy. No question, that is coming. It's part of the spell.

Mike

Anonymous said...

I'd ask if your hubby thinks it's the last great movement from God. If so, you're doomed.

If he still does stuff they preach against (not sure what that is anymore) then he might not be completely under their spell. However, if he hints at Bible School you mind as well find a new guy. Let me know cause I need a good woman.

Anonymous said...

No he does not believe it is the last greatest movement from God. And he is totally open to going to other churches. I do feel like he was under their spell before we met each other. I think a lot of it has to do with him being saved at that church so he feels like he owes them something.However as of right now, I feel like the pastor tries to make him feel guilty for attending my church as well, by saying things like "Does the pastor of that church visit you at your home". Well no. But that doesn't mean we aren't challenged and actually hear sermons that apply to our life.It truly makes me saddened that people are fooled into spending all of their GI Bill on that "Bible School". It is a crock.I tried explaining this to my husband because he has a good friend going to that "bible school", and has wasted his GI Bill on it.We have to remind ourselves to pray for these people who have been suckered into this lifestyle and way of thinking. I really have to remind myself that I am not a sinner because I don't go to their church 24/7. I think a lot of NTCC pastors are afraid to break away from the mega church in Washington )w/e its called)because they supply their income?Building? I have no idea. It does upset me however that our tithe is going to that place up there. I had seen some websites before talking about child molestation? If someone could please provide me an email about that I would like to have more information about that,since my 2 year old does go to the childrens church here in OK.

Anonymous said...

Go on Don and Ange's website. There is a link on this home page on the upper left. There is more info there about child molestation than the Bible has psalms. The ntcc is a cult plain and simple. I could care less if some silly so called pastor from the ntcc came to visit my house anyway. What, is that supposed to be worn like some badge of honor? Historically, tithe money in the ntcc is spent on Grant's $20,000 grade school education, big houses, rental properties, luxury RV's, Rolex watches, gun collections, knife collections, endless pieces of furniture for spoiled Tanya Kekel, Tanya Kekel's shopping sprees, extremely expensive trees for the Kekel's yard and the list goes on. You might as well be giving your money to ISIS when you pay tithe to the ntcc. At least with ISIS, you know they are chopping heads.

They see you as the enemy girl. Trust me. Because you have another church, that sorry ntcc pastor looks at you and sees you as the devil incarnate running around with horns on your head and I'm not kidding you either. I know thats the case especially when he's making comments about whether or not another pastor is visiting you at your house. That ntcc pastor wouldn't be welcome at my house because I wouldn't have time for his judgmental nonsense. That ntcc pastor is absolutely no "man of god". He no more than a brainwashed minion sucker who's lining the pockets of the greedy immoral scum bags in Graham. Trust me; Kekel, Olson, Kinson and the rest of those crooked ntcc leaders are the bottom of the bucket. These guys are as low as they get. A straight bum on the side of the road who's never even uttered the name "Jesus" is more godly than the two scum bags Kekel and Olson who are the two evil heads of the ntcc. Just read this blog starting back about two years ago when more former ntccers were posting. Your jaw will drop.

Kekel and Olson may very well be the two most low down people I've ever personally met in my life and I'm not kidding or exaggerating one singe bit. There is nothing quote "saved" about either one of them. They are just a couple greedy, low down, family wrecking, lying, cheating con artist scum bags. And Tanya Kekel ain't nothing but a spoon fed spoiled lying cheating tramp who's been handed everything on a platter and fed with a silver spoon her entire life. The stories portraying her demeanor attitude and personality are enough to make you puke. She's gotten wealthy off the backs of a bunch of abused wannabe Christians and at the expense of some good women and children who married and were born in the ntcc cult con game mess. I can stand the ntcc. I see the ntcc falling in the same category as ISIS, former Nazi Germany, and them two scum bags who bombed the Boston Marathon. I am being 100% serious. If you knew as much about the ntcc as I do you totally understand.

Anonymous said...

You know what... Start half tithing at each church and watch the Pastors head explode. Problem solved.

Vic Johanson said...

That NTCC pastor is just as likely to be visiting you to spy out your liberty and gather pulpit fodder as he is because he cares about you. It's hard to say. I was an NTCC pastor (kind of a failure of one, thankfully). I never could force myself to impose my authority on other people by inviting myself to their houses for "visitation," because I know how that engenders discomfort. Bah. I took the classes. RW told us that the most important tool the pastor has is...the TITHING REPORT! Yes, money extracted was the absolute indicator of a church member's spiritual condition. You should observe this "pastor" next time he comes around. See if he isn't Mr. Eagle Eye, checking out every detail of your lifestyle, and asking nosy questions. RW was shrewd like that; he didn't miss one thing (except when he was getting completely bamboozled by the likes of Denis). Who in NTCC hasn't seen him up on his platform throne before service, scowling and playing his beady eyes over his collection of serfs. It happened every service, him continually checking out the scene and thinking his megalomaniacal thoughts. A pathetic man, truly. He had every capacity to be an inspiration and a help, and he'd probably have ended up even richer just by treating people right. What a wasted opportunity. We loved him and willingly followed him; he didn't need any of his controlling tactics to secure our loyalty. This control mentality permeates NTCC, and pastors sometimes show up at people's houses as an act of assertiveness. Hopefully he doesn't just drop in unannounced. Does he?

Anonymous said...

Spying was huge when I was in... I'm sure the spying has doubled down now that Graham has loosened up on people.

I'm sure pastors are more worried about spies (helpers) than congregants.

What a crock of crap!

Diana said...

Are they really allowing TV now!?

Don and Ange said...

Yes, Diana. T.V., movies, music (other than Southern Gospel or Brooklyn Tabernacle Choir) - it's all "allowed" (and endorsed by the leadership). Just look at their Facebook likes and you'll see the shows they watch and movies and bands they like. And since they now have Facebook and Twitter accounts you know they have compromised their stand about the "sinnernet". They even now promote volleyball, Frisbee, and football at the campground; where they also built a huge bbq pit and picnic table pavilion. The times they are a changin'. Grant Kekel even played basketball and football at his private prep school, Charles Wright Academy in Tacoma. Everything about their so-called holiness went out the window to accommodate kekel. It was never about God. The rule were only there to CONTROL you.

Anonymous said...

How did that transition take place? Did they announce at Conference you could now go to Rolling Stone Concerts and watch Dexter? I simply don't understand how you could get away with this type of upheaval when all the preachers are guilty of running people off for movies, TV and other things.

This is ridiculous! What say you NTCC?

Anonymous said...

What would be interesting to know is if Women can now work outside of the home? I think if they start losing revenue that's not too far away. I've heard they make overseas ministers wives work...

Anyhow I'm glad to be done with it all.

Anonymous said...

The Brill's are divorcing for some made up reason... I'm sure Olson dangled a diamond in front of is daughters face.

Anonymous said...

Garbage in... Garbage out... Garbage back in.

Good luck Brill, at least you've escaped.

Anonymous said...

I Didn't see this coming... Seems like there is a story on a quarterly basis concerning the higher ups. This quarter it's the return of Olson's Daughter, previous Quarter was Ashmore's Departure... What will be the next story.

Inquiring minds want to know.

Anonymous said...

What a hag... You're lucky to be rid of that hypocrite (and Family) and that church Brill. Get your Daughter and run like the wind.

Mike

Anonymous said...

The story is always the same in the ntcc. Olson's daughter is about as useless at they get. What does she bring to society? For that matter, what does Olson bring to society. They are like a plague that eats off of everyone's flesh. And Brill? The guy is a seriously confused and unfortunate individual. I feel sorry for him. I truly do. The ntcc has messed up that guy's life pretty bad. Heck, he has kids in the cult. I can't even imagine that. I feel sorry for the kids. What a life. What a waste. This nation is full of suckers, what else can I say.

Freebird said...

Want to see the true face of NTCC anonymous? Have both your and your husband NOT pay tithe. Give your tithe money to a homeless shelter and make sure and tell pastor where the money went when the pastor asks you about forgetting to pay tithes. Tell him you did as Christ taught and gave to the downcasted and homeless.

Only then you will see the true face of that pastor. Then you can whip out the popcorn, kick back in the pew and watch the show at the pulpit dedicated to you "robbing God".

Diana said...

Wow, Thanks for the response Don and Ange. It's amazing to see things change so much since leaving, but I can only imagine how much harder it is for those older members who have been in for so long, and seeing all the younger students/members not being told not to have kids, and there are so many that missed out on that! Before we left Graham, the church was full of ladies who were preggers and new babies. Even with me being younger, we spent the first 10 years of our marriage with a semi-permanent birth control, because that's what our pastor and his wife convinced us to do.

Anonymous said...

I love that idea Freebird... I wish I would have been a hell raiser before leaving.

I let them off the hook by just leaving between assignments. Oh well.

Chief said...

Diana said...

I can only imagine how much harder it is for those older members who have been in for so long.

Chief said...

You'd be surprised Diana. The older members who are left, have cooked their conscience with a hot iron. I'm not sure if anything about the crooked NTCC phases them. They've systematically explained away the whole G. Kekel scam and all the clear and undeniable evidence of impropriety. They simply figure out a way to convince themselves that nothing is wrong. They can't even think straight. If they could, they'd left the NTCC already. To much hard evidence available for them to stay, if their brains were functioning properly. They've shut out logic and common sense. These older members are Kekel and Olson loyalists and they've blindly bought off on Kekel and Olson's hogwash.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink. They are stubborn and brainwashed and they don't genuinely internalize any of this stuff. They are old suckers who've been brainwashed for so long that you could hit them with a semi and it wouldn't wake them up. Diana, the fact is, Davis was getting away with stuff all along and so were the Kekel's but without the internet, the word generally didn't ever really get out. The leadership was basically able to keep us all in the dark do to lack of ample information. Well the internet changed all that, so the old timers who are still there have chosen to remain blind and explain away all the evidence as no more than the devil trying to bring false accusations against quote, "Gods anointed".

Well Olson, Kekel and Davis are not and were not Gods anointed. They were and still are simply a bunch of hucksters and con artists who care far more about the almighty dollar then their own family and congregates with the exception of the Davis/Kekel family. They've never even considered forsaking their crooked family members for the sake of the quote, "program of GAWD".

And thats why they didn't blink an eye while sending Grant off to a secular catholic college rather than to their sorry, fake, none accredited piece of garbage bible school. We all got played like the suckers we were and in many cases still are. Well I'm no longer a sucker. I see Kekel, Olson and all the rest of those creeps for what they really are. Hucksters and con men and hypocritical chippy cheatin liars. No more, no less. The absolute scum of the earth. The suckers have to have someone to whom they'll give their money away. If it ain't the Kekel's they'd be giving it away to someone else. The United States is saturated with religious groups which are interested in nothing more than YOUR hard earned dollar. The furtherance of Christianity has become little more than a front in most cases with very, very, very few exceptions.

Anonymous said...

So true. I can't stand these televangelists who take money for "blessings" only to end up living it up.

Religion and being a pastor has been named one of the top 10 careers in this country. What a scam.

Vic Johanson said...

Chief, you're right. It's astonishing how much information can be neutralized by denial. I wonder if they've just been playing church all along and now are relieved that their overlords are giving them a little slack. Anyone spiritually minded would never roll over like that. It's pitiful. Maybe they're so damaged they no longer have a frame of reference and just mindlessly shuffle wherever the "leaders" direct them. I mean, if I were still around when the shackles got loosened up, instead of being all grateful, I'd be like "so what about all those years I jumped through these ridiculous hoops--has God changed all of a sudden, or what?" But these zombies just praise the Lord for movies and makeup and barbecues and Facebook, and continue to lick the boot that kicks them. Amazing.

Chief said...

Vic wrote...

It's astonishing how much information can be neutralized by denial.

Chief said...

The word ASTONISHING describes my thoughts precisely. That's why I've lost interest, (for the most part) in blogging. There is simply no fixing the problem and that's the problem. The Creflo Dollar jet aircraft thing just amazes me. It's just a different version of the whole Davis/Kekel NTCC real estate deal. Renting church buildings to pastors and such. Big RV's, fancy houses, etc. Humans are just plain gullible Vic. It's obviously (to a great degree) the human nature. What the NTCC did for me is open my eyes to all these other con game religious institutions. It's absolutely astounding.

I have no problem with Christianity. My problem is what Christianity has been turned into in America and it's so obvious now. There's no denying it. I've said this before. Christian denominations (from a doctrinal standpoint) differ like the day and night. They all claim that the other doesn't know "God's will". They claim that the other teaches false doctrine. They all claim that. Some don't talk about it but if you back them into a corner and really push them to answer honestly, they will all (without exception) claim that the "other" denomination has it wrong. But not so coincidentally, what is the one doctrine that they all 99.99% of the time seem to have no problem agreeing on??? That you better regularly cough up at least 10% of your income to the leader of that church. You won't hear them debating over that one.

Well it don't take a genius to figure out what's going on there, (at least you wouldn't think so). In America and all over the rest of the world, it seams like it does take a genius to figure that out. Humans are simply convinced, that if they are going to make it to heaven, they better be giving their money to some pastor or church leader regardless of how greedy he or she obviously is. And religious leaders know that and have capitalized on that fact.

Human beings will continue to line the pockets of the likes of Kekel despite the mountain of evidence piled up against him clearly pointing to his hypocrisy and greed. Again Vic, ASTONISHING is the word. I simply no longer have much patience or time for most religious people. A lot of the exers are no different. Many of them have been irreversibly programed to think like current NTCCers / modern day religious folks. The best and easiest way to describe them is by using one simple word; FAKE!!!!!! They are still dancing, they've just changed partners.

Don and Ange said...

Chief said:

"These older members are Kekel and Olson loyalists and they've blindly bought off on Kekel and Olson's hogwash."

DNA said:

They'll continue to shuffle around from church service to church service until they get a dagger in their back from one the board members. No one is exempt. I'm not sure what pushed Ashmore out the door, but they were stupid for not accommodating him. He was relegated to pastoring a church in San Diego since before Davis croaked. He was the best brainwasher they had left after Davis died. Now what do they got? They got Kekel and Olson. Olson is about as boring as it gets, and Kekel isn't any better. I've only heard Kekel preach a couple times in conference and it was torture listening to him. It's turned into a stagnant toxic waste land.

Don and Ange said...

Chief said:

"A lot of the exers are no different. Many of them have been irreversibly programed to think like current NTCCers / modern day religious folks. The best and easiest way to describe them is by using one simple word; FAKE!!!!!! They are still dancing, they've just changed partners."

DNA said:

I think when people leave they want to keep their Christianity in tact but there is so much false doctrine and phoniness mixed in that it can't be fully separated. I'm amazed at the number of people that love Ashmore since he left. People that I would have never expected to. I'm glad Ashmore left and it's great to see another dormant chunk of the decaying cult detach itself, but man, what a way to get totally screwed up in your brain. Following that dude is like sailing into the Bermuda Triangle during a Category five Hurricane. Pick your poison. Wasn't the ntcc experience enough? You get out, you blog about how horrible and unjust your life was under these tyrants, and one splits off and you are ready to blindly jump into another turnip wagon heading in the same direction?

Chief said...

Ain't that the truth DnA. Just another turnip wagon. They just haven't gotten enough. What a way to waste your life. Following a fake who's obviously fake.

Chief said...

I'm no longer trying to figure it out. It's obviously in the human nature to be gullible to one degree or another. If that wasn't the case, there wouldn't be 50 million people in the United States just itching to find some wealthy greedy religious leader to feed their money. Also, it's our nature to be superstitious to some degree. The problem comes when you have too much of both. That's the formula for becoming a serious sucker who can be easily targeted by religious hucksters.

Chief said...

Being gullible and a sucker is like the person (who I once was) in the NTCC who doesn't even know how their money is being spent. If they do know that the Kekel's were spending about $20,000 A YEAR just to send Grant to grade school and they don't see a problem with that, they are bigger suckers than a blow-pop. Being gullible is definitely human nature. We believe what we want to believe. So just keep feeding the Kekels your money because I'll guarantee they find plenty ways to spend it.

"Praise God brother, I'm giving as unto the Lord". "The Lord will surely bless me".

Chief said...

No your not! Your giving your money to a con artist and that's why you are essentially broke and driving a junk car and you don't own JACK. You are being USED by Kekel the con artist and he's living in luxury and you are living like a bum.

"Praise God Brother, God will bless me when I die".

Chief said...

No he won't. He's going to call you a BIG DUMMY for blindly following known con artists. Blind leading the blind. False prophets. NEWS FLASH!!!! Kekel is a huckster and a con artist and so is Olson the enabler. These guys are common thieves and hucksters. Godly men?? HELL NO!!!!! My big left fungus toe nail is more Godly than Kekel and Olson. Are you kidding me. Heck, A drunk begging bum living on the street corner is way more Godly than Kekel and Olson and that's no exaggeration.

Anonymous said...

It's interesting after being here on the blogs for a few months I've noticed control issues with many here. Not only that but I understand being angry, yet I hear plenty of pride and condescension with some of you. You may know a lot but I'm not impressed with your "walk with god".

Hope someone reads this before it's deleted.

Vic Johanson said...

No one is trying to impress you. And if you're in the org, are you blind to the control issues emanating from the "leadership?"

Chief said...

Anon said...

You may know a lot but I'm not impressed with your "walk with god".

Chief said...

I have no reason to delete your message. I've deleted messages before but yours is fine with me for what it's worth. I'm not impressed with anyone's walk with God. Certainly no one in the NTCC. The truth is, I not sure I've ever met ANYONE who claims to have a "walk with God" and actually does. How do you quantify it? It's totally intangible. I know one group of people who don't have a walk with God, (at least according to Bible standards). NTCC folks. There are control issues with a lot of people on these blogs not the least of which can be me from time to time. I don't mind admitting it. I won't let someone come on here and preach at me, that's for sure. I'll let a few of their comments stay until I get tired of it, (which won't take long) and them I'll delete every last one.

Most Christians are just straight up fake. So many of them claim to know God like they are running buddies or something. The reality is, the vast overwhelming majority of them don't know jack. Who's quote, "walk with God" are you impressed with, and that's a serious sincere question? Someone in the NTCC? If you can think of one person, I'd like to meet that person. It would be kind of cool to meet a real, "man of God". Not just some religious blowhard wannabe fake like all those crooks and clowns in the NTCC.

My days of getting preached at by hypocrites are over so yeah, I'll definitely control that situation. In the past, I've allowed too many NTCC hypocrites to have far too much control over me so yes, I'm going to control a blog conversation when it's between me and some religious blowhard or a judgmental jerk.

Anonymous said...

Chief... Wasn't you I was talking about. You've had a pretty open blog and people with different opinions or questions can generally take a crack at you without you going crazy.

Anonymous said...

NTCC isn't transforming to give you freedom... It's transforming to become more in line with prosperity preachers and mega churches. Kekel is dumping holiness to get more people to give more money.

This isn't NTCC anymore... It's a word faith type church.

Chief said...

Anonymous said...

You've had a pretty open blog and people with different opinions or questions can generally take a crack at you without you going crazy.

Chief said...

Thanks. I actually appreciate that. I've certainly gone somewhat crazy from time to time, but I like to give people a crack at me as you put it. They at least deserve that especially if I'm taking a crack at them. I like an open blog. I just get tired of the whole thing because I've come to the unfortunate realization that the NTCC isn't going anywhere but forward. One step back, two steps forward. That's the nature of modern Christian religion in the USA. It's a money making business and a place to quote, (belong) for those who need to.

And I hear you. I don't care for forums which are too closely censored, (at least in my opinion). I don't have a problem with people's opinions unless they start preaching at me or quoting what I've confident to be inaccurate supposed facts. I won't be preached at by someone talking about, "I need to get saved" or "right with God" or "or not be so bitter", or "I'm not acting like a CHRISTIAN". I'm not having any of that. This blog ain't going to be used as some religious judgmental jerk's church. I can't stand people like that. Don't like them not one bit. Doesn't matter to me what church they are from. People like that almost without exception are the worst people going. Kekel is a spoon fed bum, hypocrite, greedy, blowhard, judgmental prick. Olson is just the bottom of the bucket scum bag. Those two don't know the first thing about "doing unto others as you'd have them do unto you". "They know nothing of common decency or basic practices of everyday righteousness. Later and thanks for the compliment. For real.

Anonymous said...

Corrected-
The biggest thing we eX ntccer goes face is GUILT coincide with REMORSE. 

The fact that we followed and believed the bi laws, srciptures that suited the org, mind you, guilty of doing the same as other denominations. 

We as individuals go through guilt and remorse differently. Thus we all have to overcome, some more quickly then others. We all react differently and we all have our ways of going through this. 

Its almost like PTSD. it has taken me 4 years to finally let go of these teachings and to finally be set free and have freedom but at the same time still Looking to God, Jesus, and Holy Spirit to just MOVE ON. To not waver and doubt my relationship with God and still have sanity. 

Wake up people just because they have telents and riches doesn't make them Godly. As what is taught in the org. You have to be first a follower before a leader. You can follow anything. People need to follow true Pastors and Leaders. Going through his word. Name me one APOSTLE or look at Jesus and name me one who had more then he needed? Wake up!? 

Ntcc almost reminds me of intellectual potliticians and salesman who only strive for riches and success according to this society. The so the so called individuals that probably think. "LET ME MAKE A NAME FOR MYSELF".

Anonymous said...

Chief,

Don't get me wrong, I'm an exer fo' sho' but I just get tired of one sided arguments. I'd actually like in fact love to know how these people can side step all these issues. If you're a member what is going through your head as to why you still attend after the changes that are flat out against what's been taught for decades?

I need to know why someone who deprived their children of a normal childhood could still attend after watching Kekel get away with "policy infractions" with his family/son. It's grotesque and abusive.

But again, I like this forum because of how straightforward and open it is.

Anonymous said...

sho' nuff!

Chief said...

Anonymous said...

If you're a member what is going through your head as to why you still attend after the changes that are flat out against what's been taught for decades?

Chief said...

Because those members are just as brainwashed as the other 50 Billion people in the world who are involved with religious hucksters. It's human nature. I'm convinced beyond doubt. Humans are scared of dying and they'll buy off on every and anything in an attempt to attain eternal security. And they are to proud to admit they've been took. It's hard for them to face the truth.

Anonymous said...

Speaking of Grant... Has that kid returned to his throne or is he still in school?

Anonymous said...

Chief,

How brainwashed are they really though?

People rarely stick around for longer than 2 or 3 years and even the pastors leave more than stay. Is it just tapping out or are they finally sick of it?

I was there for 5 years and for most of it I believed they were the answer. However, doubt starts creeping in as you see obesity, reading secular books but preaching against movies... Eventually I just parted ways. It took some time but I got over the guilt.

I'm just not sure the brainwashing argument holds entirely true. I would say it is brainwashing but not to the degree of being able to hold you indefinitely. Pride is the only thing I can see for someone still holding on. That and the promise of a position...

Just my 2 cents

Mike

Anonymous said...

Not sure what happened to grant but there is an excellent thread from 09 about not screwing your child out of a childhood.

To bad too many suckers are stuck with what they've done to their children and now they have to live with it.

Anonymous said...

This church turns men into monsters... It's the Christian version of Islam.

Anonymous said...

It was Islam/ISIS

Now it's watered down ISIS but still the same deal. Men become controlling pricks and Women become Fat and unhappy. Who knows what's happening to the children.

Anonymous said...

The NTCC does turn men into monsters. No doubt. Women turn into monsters also. I've known a few who were pretty bad. Some of these pastors wives can become quite the butt holes. The NTCC is just a bad place.

Anonymous said...

As a fat person myself, I'm amazed that one can become THAT fat. It's so destructive. I can understand pushing 200 but 400??? Come on. That's just hurting yourself. It's like it's there goal to be the next person on "My 600 Pound Life".

Get some self esteem and a new church people.

Anonymous said...

I was invited to church by 2 women that definitely worked out their cars struts and suspension system. One used to be in the army. What the heck had she been eating since she left the service? Crisco covered twinkies?

I don't get it. You can't love your life being massive and unhealthy.

It would be nice if this church had people who could debate without saying "You're of the devil" cuz I'd love to understand them.

Anonymous said...

I didn't know enough pastors wives although Reverend Maholic's wife was smoking hot.

Anonymous said...

Dear Moneyologist,

I’m asking your counsel on the money we give our children every year at Thanksgiving, specifically to one of them. This past week I learned that my son, a self-employed and so far successful electrician, for the last two years, and his wife, a stay-at-home mom with no prospects for high wages, have been tithing $150 every week to her church. This is her church because my son is, like me, not religious and doesn’t attend. When I heard about the tithing, it occurred to me that I, a Jewish deist, am funding her preacher in (expensive) sunny southern California.

(That was a portion of an article pulled from MarketWatch)

Yet another couple of brainwashed suckers mentioned in the article. It's too bad. I feel sorry for the dad. I can imagine how he feels. Funding some huckster's crooked religious money grubbing agenda.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Kekel has an Ashley Madison account?

Anonymous said...

I believe you can do a search of everyone on Madison. I bet you'd still have morons following Kekel if he had an account. He's gotta be laughing at all you idiots every time he gets his account statement.

Grow a pair and leave this church.

Anonymous said...

LOL

That would be so awesome to find him on the AM site. I'd love to hear how us exer's are of the devil and are probably framing him.

Of course he has no need for Ashley Madison as he's got Tanya Kekel who baits in women to "Clean" their home. What a great team.

Hey Grant, you must be so proud of your parents.

Anonymous said...

I'll clean their home for them... And plant some camera's in there as well. With the tech that's out there I can't believe someone can't easily blackmail these frauds.

Anonymous said...

Someone is blackmailing them. It's why Davis couldn't do anything about Kekel and Tanya. It's why nobody can kick Kinson out of his role when he visits whorehouses. The dirt is a plenty and those in the know keep their position and advance.

Anonymous said...

Vic shared "RW was shrewd like that; he didn't miss one thing (except when he was getting completely bamboozled by the likes of Denis)."

Okay, I am going to let you in one some previously unpublished insider information.

RW absolutely knew what Denis was doing. Denis was just as much RW's pawn as anyone else until January 2003. RW held one of his manipulation meetings (commonly referred to as board meetings)in an attempt to put Denis in "his place" for some minor infraction. When the meeting was over Denis walked sheepishly out. RW preached his message of doom "The mule walked on" to further put Denis in check.

Shortly after that Denis began to find out who loved him more than old RW. It took him ten months,but by December of 2003, one of the preachers he was desperate to convert to a hopper began to call RW and directly report to him everything Denis was trying to do.

Davis set up "The Program". Davis demanded Denis to obey him and produce results, whatever it took. They laughed about it together. This is first hand folks. I have no axes to grind, I just feel it is only right for me to tell you. Davis knew about everything, except the stolen money, all the way to the end.

I will not use my real name. But you can cal me Lucky.

Don and Ange said...
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Don and Ange said...

Lucky said:

"Davis set up "The Program"."

DNA said:

So what was the purpose of the Program, to run Denis off? Who laughed about it together, the rat and Davis? Are you the rat? Are you still in the ntcc? I ask because you say that it's first hand info. If it was anyone other than you, it would be second hand info. I'm not saying that what you or the Whistle Blower did was bad, I'm pretty sure any member loyal to R-dub would do the same thing.

I often thought that it would be impossible for Davis not to have known, especially since there have been people who blogged about Davis being in the know all along. There were reports that people called Davis and told him what was going on and he jacked them up, kind of like Olson did when Pam and Fontenot's X-wife reported sexual abuse to him.

Vic Johanson said...

Tracy Pelfrey shared long ago that when Olson was trying to defend RW in the aftermath by saying he didn't know what Denis was doing, Gail piped up and said he certainly did. It would have been interesting to hear the private discussion between them that no doubt ensued once they found some privacy. Linda Rodriguez testified that she was over their once without old Joe's knowledge and got to experience him without the Clark Kent facade, bellowing at his family. All their big "holiness" is just for show; they were watching TV and swilling Nyquil in their mansions, away from the prying eyes of the underclass. I remember Tracy or someone on her blog asserting that Tanya hit them up for Vicodin or some other opiate when they had a prescription. People can't hide what they really are from everyone, and a little bird will tell it.

Anonymous said...

Davis knew, (basically) what was going on but Denis had too much dirt on Davis. Davis simply had to sit back and watch. Davis actually cried to Denis at the very start of the split. Davis was pouting like a little bitch. What goes around comes around quite often.

Anonymous said...

This subject fascinates me. This whole Denis guy is someone I never met but I'd congratulate him if I could. Making Davis cry would be worth the price of admission, or 5 years of my life that was wasted. I'd like to see Kekel get his ass handed to him by the board for running the bible seminary into the ground. 5 male graduates? Really? And he's still in charge?

You old timers who read this blog know what the NTCC used to supposedly stand for and it's been turned upside down to accommodate that pathetic loser (I mean leader) and his sinner child. You railed against the TV, Movies, makeup and on and on and now you participate in the same church that caused you to abuse so many of your "Flock".

If you don't leave then burn in hell you sorry, pathetic losers. You said you're holiness but I guess you go whatever direction your prophet takes you. Simply sorry!

Mike

Anonymous said...

Oh, I forgot to mention the prophetess, Tanya Kekel, who wears tighter clothes than a promiscuous teenager... All the while spending your tithe dollars on fancy crap that you have to clean.

You pathetic morons. You've been abused. You've been had. You're days are numbered and the happiness you could have is now shrinking as you serve your "massa".

ENJOY...

Mike

Anonymous said...

What ya got for me Grant? Maybe a refund? After you're a big shot 1st amendment lawyer for your pathetic cult maybe you could return some of the "tithe" money your family stole from all of us.

RIH

Anonymous said...

Mike said...

All the while spending your tithe dollars on fancy crap that you have to clean.

Chief said...

You speak my language Mike. I don't feel sorry for ntccers any longer. Certainly not the men. I feel sorry for the children without a doubt and some of the women. The men are just suckers.

Some of the women are pretty pathetic also because they enable their sorry, abusive, sucker husbands. Olson's wife is a slime ball. She knows whats been going on all along. They are accessories to the crimes. Some of the women I do feel sorry for though. I think some of them would get away if they could. All I can suggest for the women who would get away is to get a job of any sort no matter where it is. Try to do the best you can and don't give your sorry husband a dime and don't pay tithe to the stinkin NTCC and don't attend cult indoctrination meetings aka church services at their sorry church. The NTCC is bad juju.

Anonymous said...

Saddest thing is they wear it as a badge of honor that they are "Taking care" of the man of god.

Keep it up, eventually you'll take off the NTCC colored glasses and see the crap you've been forced to swallow for the past few years and decades.

Anonymous said...

I feel for the kids too. Especially the ones that missed their entire child hood living a way that Kekel's son didn't have to.

Now his son is going to come back with a degree and a position in the not to distant future I'm sure. He'll get to treat everyone like crap and they'll have to take it and they will take it.

He'll get to marry anyone he wants to include women already in relationships with men they may want to marry.

What a cultish crock of crap.

Mike

Anonymous said...

There is a reason Kekel is telling all of you to stay off the blogs. Find out the truth here.

Jack

Anonymous said...

There is a link to an old Kekel tape over at Don's blog. I had no idea what a hick he was. I couldn't listen or take seriously a guy who talked like that. I wish my first pastor would have sounded like that cuz I'd have never made it to sermon number 2.

Anonymous said...

He's a sorry preacher but an even sorrier human being. Hillbilly delight for sure.

I can see why so many are leaving throughout the org. You can't follow an heir to the thrown who is a pathetic greedy punk with no leadership skills.

Enjoy your mansion because you've got no shot at a shack in heaven.

Anonymous said...

He's a sorry preacher but an even sorrier human being. Hillbilly delight for sure.

I can see why so many are leaving throughout the org. You can't follow an heir to the thrown who is a pathetic greedy punk with no leadership skills.

Enjoy your mansion because you've got no shot at a shack in heaven.

Anonymous said...

Keep it up people, judgment is of the lord

Anonymous said...

So is there any new news about people escaping? Haven't heard anything in a while.

I'm hoping others are abandoning their slave masters and finding enjoyment and peace for once. Oh and maybe some health and dental care as well.

Anonymous said...

Not sure if any "Ashmore" level earthquakes have happened but I take solace knowing that Kekel knows his minions read these blogs and are finding out the truth. I'm sure it's driving him nuts which in turn makes me happy. He's a second rate con man and the empire that was handed to him will fall by the wayside.

Anonymous said...

Go Vikings

Anonymous said...

Vikings 38
49'ers 6

Chief said...

I see someone's a Vikings fan. Good luck. The Giants still continue to struggle. Nothing new there. Payton is doing "Ok" and Tebow is gone again. Nothing new there either. Team #4. He's a good dude but you have to be more than that to make it in the NFL. I don't think Winston is going to last either. His footwork sucks. From the waist down he's uncoordinated. RG3 may be one of the next ones on the NFL chopping block. Manziel probably ain't too far behind. I think you probably have about a 1 in 10 chance to be great in the NFL as a Heisman trophy winner. A lot of them wash out.

Anonymous said...

OK, so the Vikings sucked... Kudo's to the 49ers game plan. Doesn't change the fact I'm sobbing like a little girl right now as I write this.

Don and Ange said...

Hey Chief, you were right about Tebow again. Giants should have had that game and would have if Eli didn't throw that incomplete pass. Should have ran it and used up the extra 40 seconds that the Cowboys needed to make their last drive. Peyton really looks off. Denver's D was swarming and looked really good. You are right about Heisman winners, they never seem to pan out. How about those Falcons? They look like a whole new team. I bet little J. is happy about that.

Anonymous said...

This is my farewell notice to all of you NTCC haters.

Now that I've witnessed the horror of the Vikings offensive line along with their horrible Run D against two and sometimes 3 TE sets I will now go back to the NTCC that I know and um... Love. Gone will be the TV, Cable and Internet so following the Vikings will be impossible and thus far less stressful.

I've told my wife and she's already filed for divorce and run away with the kids. The good part is that I can now do more important things like bother people when they're having dinner, or give till it hurts but on the flip side at least it feels good to Kekel and company. Maybe I'll finally get around to going to the NTCC Seminary and work for minimum under the table wages to mow grass.

Yes, after one Vikings loss this is it for me. I simply can't handle life without being a dronish slave.

You all need to get saved.

Your new Enemy,
Mike

Anonymous said...

Manziel is a huge disappointment. No wonder Dallas didn't want him!

Don and Ange said...

Ha, ha, ha. That is hilarious, Mike. You better get to the kook store so you can buy a new wardrobe and not be out of place while you are playing church. You might need to empty out your savings account to give an offering of reacceptance. Don't worry about the wife and kids. If you plan on attending the ntcc cemetery, they will find a new slave, oops, I mean wife for you. They even have package deals now where you can get a whole new family (without the dog).

Don and Ange said...

Don't forget to pay all of your back tithe.

Chief said...

Don wrote...

Hey Chief, you were right about Tebow again. Giants should have had that game and would have if Eli didn't throw that incomplete pass.

Chief wrote...

Hey Don. Football season is here again. Life is good. Too bad about Tebow. I think Chip Kelly did him wrong. Tebow played pretty good his last pre-season game. Then Chip goes and brings in another back up Quarterback. That one I don't agree with. If you are going to give the guy a chance then give him a chance rather than just waisting his time. That was the take of Stephen A. Smith's take on ESPN. He said that Chip Kelly did Tebow wrong. He was probably trying to prove a point that he's not partial to white guys because he's been accused of low level racism because of some of the black players he let go. Letting him go is one thing but then why are you going to bring in another back up with a record not even as good as Tebow's. Just my take after having listened to Stephen A. Smith.
Have a good one Don. Enjoy football. Go Broncos.

Chief said...

Mike, that was funny. Real good post. Good humor. Like Don said, don't forget your back tithe. Don't forget the world missions pledge. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! World missions? There mission is to collect as much money as humanly possible and then go through it like a hot knife goes through butter. Tanya needs some new furniture.

Anonymous said...

Question,

I believe the Vikings have signed and drafted players from the Lingerie league. This would seem to explain quite a bit of their Monday Night effort.

Either way I'm not watching them anymore. I've sold my TV in an effort to begin my transformation to clueless drone. Gone are the days of Fantasy Football (Alpha Jdaddy is not me by the way), Madden 2010 Xbox (had to sell the Xbox too), so I can now devote my attention to raising my hands and yelling at the wall louder than the guy next to me at prayer meetings. I am on a great soul winning team now, we go to the mall food court and wait for people to take a massive bite of some mystery chinese chicken meat then jump at them and ask them to go to church. If only I could post that on youtube.

I couldn't believe it, the other night at service they didn't sing I'll Fly Away. They sang some new song. It's changing folks and for the better. Just get saved and come with me to church.

Mike
"The most saved man in America"

Don and Ange said...

Thanks Chief. I'm really enjoying football season so far and I don't feel too bad about it either. The ntcc is cancelling church services, soul winning and prayer meetings on a weekly basis now in Graham according to their twitter page. I had it rough growing up. Very seldom was school ever cancelled in the mountains of Colorado. They would put chains on the school buses and we would drive 15 miles through twisting mountain roads in the middle of blizzards. That's how it used to be in the ntcc. If you didn't make one of their services, you didn't love God according to them.

That Broncos game last night was encouraging. Denver's Defense is really looking great. Poor Kansas City and Poor Andy Reid. Their whole sideline looked like they had just been jacked up by Davis for tossing around a football before a fellowship meeting. My favorite part was the party that the Broncos Fans had in Arrowhead stadium during the post game show.

Sorry I'm using your blog to gloat about the Broncos. Olson has been using the Seahawks to pump up the ntcc remnant on his sinnernet blog.

As for Mike, it's sad to see an X-er sacrifice football, but those soul winning events that are being cancelled in Graham must be much more important than watching football on a devil vision. I like that song, I'll Fly Away, because it gave us hope that one day we would be free from the ntcc if we could gather up the courage to fly away, just like that bird in prison we dwelt. Next time you sing that song you ought to flap your wings and leave the church. Who knows, maybe Minnesota will win next week and you'll have a valid reason to return to your estranged family.

Anonymous said...

This is not brother mike so don't go thinking it is.

The Bronco's have the most intimidating defense in Football. Best CB tandem and best Edge rushing tandem. Von Miller looks like a heat seeking missile.

They have and will have the best Defense this year.

Michelle

Anonymous said...

D/A,

My family is gone but my holy family is supporting me through this. Just yesterday a single lady brought me some macaroni and cheese with the promise of more to come. I was in shock at the love being thrown my direction and before you get all judgmental it has nothing to do with her wanting to not work at the waffle house or moving out of the trailer park. She's got a decent double wide with a nice stereo system that can spray the house with beautiful southern gospel music. This could be true love, godly love. I'm just hoping I don't have to touch her all that much as I'm not into portly (putting it mildly) women. I just need a wife so I can go to bible school and hook up with Tanya so I can get the keys to the throne. I'm a strapping young 41 year old so I know she'll be up for it.

Mike
"Created in the image of Davis"

PS...

If Minnesota wins next week I'm outta here.

Anonymous said...

They won!!! I'm back. That soul winning thing is for the birds... I've never seen anyone stay for very long (a service or two maybe) if they had established a group of friends. It's always the loner that gets sucked in.

Anyways the Vikings are going to win the next 14 straight to include trouncing the Chargers 59-6

You can take that to the bank.

Anonymous said...

Amen, preach brotha.

Anonymous said...

OK OK so it was 31-14. The Vikes are going to stomp the Baby Bronco's next week 38-3 and Peyton Manning will be benched for the rest of the season...

AP is back and the 1 rusher in the league... Teddy's going to have to pick it up though.

Hopefully Coach Zimm will not go to NTCC anytime soon because the Vikings need him badly.

Anonymous said...

Almost forgot... Stick a fork in Dallas and Pittsburg this year.

Chief said...

The Vikes are doing "OK" at best at this point. Still too early to tell. Same with Pitt and Dallas. Dallas' division sucks so anything could happen there. The Gmen haven't done anything special so far and certainly the Eagles haven't either. Washington sucks also so Dallas still has a good chance of at least making it to the playoffs. You also never know with Pitt. Don't count them out yet. I can't stand the Pats but the reality is they will probably win the whole thing this year also or maybe Arizona. They are clearly the two most dominant teams "SO FAR" this season. Then again, maybe Green bay. Manning may be struggling but the Denver D is something nasty. They are getting by without much offense. Everything can change this early in the season. Knock out Brady or Rogers and it's a whole new dance. If Palmer gets knocked out Arizona is done also just like last season.

Way too early to tell all this. Don't forget what the Gmen did a few years back when they barely even made the playoffs and won the whole show. What I'm saying is that there is too much season left to make too many conclusions and that's for certain.

Chief

Anonymous said...

OK, so the Vikings are 2-1... I can't tell much about them in reality because all three games weren't that good offensively for us and our loss to S.F. is looking worse.

So I'll only predict the Vikings winning by 13 this week... 20-7...

On a side note Coach Zimm was asked if he wanted to go to church and he told them something to the effect of !@#$ off you little !@#$... Or something to that effect.

Don and Ange said...

Green Bay and New England look like the best teams in the NFL up until now, but Chief is right. So many things can happen throughout the course of a season. Brady is getting to the age that the body starts breaking down. Can he sustain his present abilities throughout the season and through the play offs and and Superbowl? It's possible. Aaron Rodgers is prone to injuries and could go down at any time, but then again he could have another MVP season. The Seahawks which have been affectionately dubbed the Suckhawks are still loaded with defensive play makers and they looked pretty hard to beat but they were playing Chicago who wouldn't surprise me if they lose at least 12 games this year. Peyton looks like he's losing arm strength but at 39 and after 4 neck surgeries, who wouldn't be losing Arm strength. He can make up for some of that with experience and a nasty defense. I'm hopefully optimistic that this will be their year but at this point, it's really hard to say because anything can happen and anyone can get injured.

Anonymous said...

13 Points, come on man, what? Are you new?

Vikings had better win the next 18 cause I go crazy when they lose.

The bears will lose at least 15 this year with Clausen in there.

The Bronco's year? What? Who could think such a thing with a QB who is a magnificent artist at choking in big games. Plus all you have to do is Jam his WR's as he can't throw downfield anymore. Of course Bridgewater is doing his best impersonation of the short passing right now. All I know is AP rocks.

Anyways the NFL master has spoken.

Now for all you NTCC people who shouldn't be watching TV according to your founder but not the son in law who thinks everything is just a policy, feel free to let us know what you think of the games you'll be watching Thur/Sun/Mon. Can you even watch TV on Sundays? Oh that's right they cancel stuff now too. Maybe you will get to watch them.



Anonymous said...

When did they t.v. was a sin? T.v. in itself is not a sin but its what you watch...same with facebook and twitter its what you do with it so its not a compromise to have facebook or twitter its an easy way to stay in contact..idiots maybe you all should get a life and get saved instead of using the internet for evil but none of you idiots have the audacity to say it anyone faces! Volleyball and frisbee and football are a sin now??? How dumb can you guys be??? I love ntcc and what they stand for CLEARLY what you low life idiots have to say affect us because we still love GoD And that is what ntcc promotes so before run your mouths get your facts straight

Anonymous said...

Clearly you're an instigator.

In the 90's when I went, TV WAS A SIN and was the 11th commandment for all intensive purposes. The Internet/Gaming were touch and go. Sports weren't a sin then they were, then they weren't, then they were, and now they're not again because your fearless leader (AKA Huckster)has gotten rid of the holiness movement and to some degree I'm glad for that because now you won't be so clueless to world events. Oh by the way what on TV isn't a sin? Football? Have you seen all the alcohol commercials with babes in bikinis? I have, and they are awesome! What about the news channels? All the women wear miniskirts, tight clothing, or the apparel of men. Oh wait, I think you guys got rid of that too. Aren't slacks ok now?

Mike

Don and Ange said...

Anonymous said:

"When did they t.v. was a sin?"

DNA said:

You must be new. They called TV the "devil vision". I know many of the old timers have left and you young whipper snappers don't know what doctrine is being preached throughout ntcc land. Kekel has said that Ministers are not allowed to have TV's. So if TV is not a sin, why are your shining examples not allowed to have them? What kind of church tells it's ministers that they can't have TV's? Anyone? Anyone? It's called a CULT. And cults are filled with brain washed members like anonymous who pretend like if they own a TV it's not a sin, but if we have one, than we must be using it for evil purposes. Sounds like someone has their head in the sand.

Anonymous said...

It doesn't even matter guy... Guess what, you're a sinner like everyone else... When you go to the mall you're checking out the girls in yoga pants just like the rest of us hot blooded Americans. Everyone in the Old Testament had multiple wives cause that would be awesome. In the New Testament it became much more difficult and you can't tell me that if you're watching TV/Internet you're watching nothing but good wholesome stuff. So tell me what you use it for.

What a load of crap...

Vic Johanson said...

Dude, you're totally ignorant of NTCC's history if you think they never said TV was sinful. They did call it the devilvision, and Phil Kinson once preached that when lot pitched his tent toward Sodom, the opening was probably 19" diagonal. They dogged out sports and any other form of entertainment and preached that if we had time to engage in any of that, we didn't care about souls and weren't fit for the ministry. RW Davis himself quizzed me about having a modem once before church and then proceeded to get behind the pulpit and insinuate I was watching porn. You love what NTCC stands for? What exactly do they stand for? Most of what they preached to us for years has now been jettisoned, and they're trying to reinvent themselves. Unfortunately there are too many people familiar with the history, so it's difficult for them to escape their sordid legacy while we're around to remind of their sick and twisted past. They're only changing masks anyway; phony to the core.

Get a life...the first step is to quit letting other people live yours for you.

Don and Ange said...

Anonymous said:

"none of you idiots have the audacity to say it anyone faces!"

DNA said:

Who are you anonymous? If you want us to say it to your face then you shouldn't have any problem identifying yourself. I'm sure that you will have enough character to stand by your comment and let us know who you are. Seeing that you are so bold as to call us idiots for not "saying it to anyone faces", I'm sure you are an honest person that has nothing to hide or to be ashamed of. I know you will come back and identify yourself because you said that you love God and you love what the ntcc promotes. If this is true there would be no reason to hide behind the anonymous tag. So, if God hasn't given you the spirit of fear, why are you scared to mention your name?

Anonymous said...

I'll say it to your face !@#$bag!!! You're a loser who has no sense of history or what your leadership even stands for...

Give me a place and I'll meet you there.

Kinson is a whoremonger, Kekel is a womanizer, deviant, huckster, prick, your founder was a Nyquil sipping fraud, Grant is living evidence they didn't mean anything they said.

Your most "respected" expert, preacher, missionary left and is now calling you a @#$%ing whore. Ashmore should have been the next in line (even though he's of the same mold as Kekel). This is a family corp. So it's only Kekel, then Grant.

Grant is coming back eventually and is going to be GIVEN a mansion, GIVEN a position, GIVEN authority for the same reason a two bit sorry preacher is now in charge.

RIH you sack of !@#$

Mike (of the Magic Mike family)

Anonymous said...

Oh, and I know I'm a sinner and of the devil, but that's the difference between us... I'm not kidding myself you ignorant pile of cow !@#$.
Mike

Don and Ange said...

Why don't you tell them what you really feel, Mike?

Anonymous said...

I guess that guy won't be back... God can handle himself but the NTCC Disciple's can't take it when they're apostles are railed against.

They're not apostles, they're criminals to children, the IRS (if someone even cared to track them) women, and they create abusive work environments. They are disgusting at the top of this pyramid scheme.

Anonymous said...

How is ol' Ashmore doing? Wonder if he's got his scam going good yet? Wonder if anyone substantial left with him.

Anonymous said...

So much for them Vikings. No surprise.

Anonymous said...

I blame Blair Walsh for missing the 3 and Loadhold for getting injured.

I also don't believe the Bronco's have that much talent without cheating on the salary cap...

Von Miller... Ware... Talib... Peyton... Thomas... That other WR... Absolute BS.

Anonymous said...

your just bitter

Vic Johanson said...

You're just brainwashed.

Anonymous said...

Are you kidding me??? You can't have that many expensive free agents on one team... I think the brass is looking the other way to give Peyton his last shot. To bad the Vikes are going to stomp there gut in the super bowl.

Anonymous said...

Just in case you read this Blog Mr. and Mrs. K I'd just like you to know that I now know you're in charge of the great whore, sinners, perverts (as I know you know about your hubbies indiscretions and have done nothing to stop them lady), a couple of punks... You have no control over me and your empire will fade away just like your lives, which are now approaching the back 9. I give you 15-25 years left of being free criminals.

Anonymous said...

Hell shall find the kings and princes of the NTCC

Anonymous said...

Sooner than later I hope

Anonymous said...

Don't hold your breath. Mikey is bullet proof. Cults are good at getting away with a lot for a long time. His father in law RDUB dodged bullets his entire life and it wasn't too hard when he lived in a house in a commune behind a big fence. The NTCC is bullet proof for the most part it would certainly seem. JW's haven't faded away and neither have the Catholics. The NTCC won't fade away either. The NTCC is like cancer. There is no cure. People will get infected by it every day and it's here to stay. Sad isn't it???? That's the harsh reality. Once you accept that, the pain goes away and you simply get over it and move on. This big world is full of crooks and the NTCC most definitely has it's share.

Anonymous said...

Wow...

I feel like crap now.

Mike

Anonymous said...

I am not finished with Mickey. His story is not over yet.

Unknown said...

Hey anonymous,
Since your really concerned about "ol ashmore" lets you and I agree in prayer right now ...

Father we thank you for your SON JESUS CHRIST who saves us and keeps us and is comming back for us ... and we know that you answer all our prayers so we come before you in prayer for one of our brothers who is flesh and blood like we are and who loves your SON JESUS like we do .... that you would touch and heal his mind ... You only know his situation, while we simply speculate ... I pray that the name of JESUS continually be magnified

Amen

Unknown said...

Hey anonymous,
Since your really concerned about "ol ashmore" lets you and I agree in prayer right now ...

Father we thank you for your SON JESUS CHRIST who saves us and keeps us and is comming back for us ... and we know that you answer all our prayers so we come before you in prayer for one of our brothers who is flesh and blood like we are and who loves your SON JESUS like we do .... that you would touch and heal his mind ... You only know his situation, while we simply speculate ... I pray that the name of JESUS continually be magnified

Amen

Anonymous said...

Vikings are now 3-2 with the second best "Points allowed" defense...

Be afraid, be very afraid!!!

Mike

Anonymous said...

4-2...

2nd best defense in points allowed.

Diggs is becoming best Wide Receiver in the League.

Teddy B is getting his mojo back.

AP will destroy St. Louis and there isn't anyone in the NTCC that can stop it!!!

Anonymous said...

4 and 2 is good. No objections here. Time will tell.

Anonymous said...

It's my understanding that Jones owns a house now somewhere outside Columbus Ga. Maybe Phenix City Al. He probably has owned the house for quite some time. There have been sightings of him in the area for a couple years on somewhat of a regular basis. You know kind of like ET?

Anyway, that's bad news for the good soldiers of Fort Benning. Jones is a master brainwasher and manipulator. Wonder what the plan is for this area. Maybe Jones and Hunt are planing yet another split / exodus. They'd be dummies if they didn't. It ain't about souls anyway and it never has been; it's about money. So why continue to line the pockets of the Kekel's?

Hunt is running around now talking about the how the NTCC has changed and has forsaken some of the former "rules of men". Imagine that. Those NTCC loyalist are so full of crap it's not even funny. So I guess that's evidence that the founder of the last great hope for mankind had it wrong all along. Old RWD the shyster. What a crook and a con man. It's been reported that Hunt has suggested that the NTCC has now got it right. No more rules of men. I guess that that would also suggest that all those supposed great men of God had it wrong all along. Clearly there are still people dumb enough and gullible enough to follow those hucksters. Boy I'll tell you what... This world is sure full of dummies. A blind dumb man could see clearly enough to see right past the likes of Kekel, Jones, Kinson and Olson so it's plain to see that this world is full of dummies who are even blinder than that.

So if the NTCC had it wrong all along, (which reportedly the Hunts claimed to be the case), then what does that say about the people and the church who the dummies have put their faith? Rules of men. I'm just quoting the terminology that Hunt used while speaking to someone in the Columbus area. Rules of men. I think I've heard that term used in the bible somewhere. Maybe "commandments of men"? Sounds the same to me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Mat 15:9 maybe? Sounds right. So is Hunt saying that it was all in vain? That's what Christ said. Please allow me to paraphrase for a moment.

But in vain do those NTCC people worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Rules of men: commandments of men, same same. NTCC doctrine; thou shalt not, thou shalt not. So in vain you have worshiped Christ. So I guess now that you've thrown out the "rules of men" you've made it all right now, correct? Righted a wrong, is that the way people should look at it? Just ruined a few thousand lives, no big deal right? Just put a couple ten thousand kids though a childhood hell, not a problem right? Just chalk up as a simple mistake, correct? Booboo is fixed, all is better. Why can't we all just get along, pastor apologized.

So it was all Oberhauser's fault hey? That's what Hunt claims at least where the Columbus area is concerned. According to Hunt, Oberhauser isn't currently doing anything now either. So they've elected their scapegoat. So Oberhauser got sent back to Graham for some good little extra training and Hunt comes back to save the day. What a complete joke. I guess all the "good Christians" have let bygones be bygones. Seems they've forgot how Hunt the did his share of raking folks over the coals here in Columbus also when he was throwing a fit like a spoiled brat because this one mans soon to be wife had an "ungodly worldly job" that of course a woman is not supposed to have. Rules of men right? I wonder why Hunt never got sent back to Graham for some extra training after THAT stunt. These are some of the most fake people I've ever met in my entire life. With Christian friends like that, who needs enemies???

To leave the NTCC and go back is like a dog returning to his own vomit.

Anonymous said...

Dog returning to his own Vomit... Yes, that's exactly it.

Thanks for all the info ANON.

Anonymous said...

You know Kekel hates the play by play of his con being put out there for all to see.

Vic Johanson said...

Ugh, same old NTCC crap. They're desperate to reinvent themselves, but these pesky blogs keep piping up to remind people of their utter hypocrisy and untrustworthiness. We just found out that there's an NTCC "church" here in Fairbanks, too. I've posed the question of whether the nearly $10K we raised for the building fund has been restored yet, but so far no replies. That money probably went for some nice trinkets for the elitist overlords that run NTCC. I bet the poor sucker who's "pioneering" up here never even heard of that money before. Doug Allen was here eight years and no one told him about it.

Anonymous said...

To some extent they've been successful in transforming themselves. Yeah, they've had splits but Kekel still stands on the mountain top and is housed in a mansion. His son is highly educated. They take lavish trips. It ticks me off.

Anonymous said...

Vikings will Beat the Rams 24-13 this week and go to 5-2. Hopefully Greenbay, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta all lose.

Anonymous said...

21-18... Vikings win ugly again... 6-2 can't complain!!!

Anonymous said...

I saw Freeman left Cheyenne, WY, any one else leave or know why he left?

Anonymous said...

Who knows. He probably got sick of the NTCC and he probably got tired of trying to convince himself that he should stay when he's known for years that he should leave. He probably got tired of lying to himself about the NTCC being anything other than a con artist ridden cult full of cheats, hucksters and money grubbers.

Anonymous said...

People always leave the NTCC or at least anyone who has the sense that God gave a sea star.

Vic Johanson said...

I hope Freeman ditched them; he was too smart to be duped like that.

Anonymous said...

Another one bites the dust, happy trails to him. I heard awhile back that he was trying to break into the radio talk show host business. Who's the pastor in Cheyenne now? Seems like all the pastors that have been there end up leaving the ntcc.

Anonymous said...

I wonder what the breakdown of people who leave and become non religious verses those who find their way back to Christianity...

I Wish Freeman luck.

Mike

Vic Johanson said...

Gary did have his own radio show; he had decent talent but was a bit too neocon for my tastes. There might still be some streaming archives out there.

Anonymous said...

Vikings 24
Packers 13

BOOM

Anonymous said...

Sorry it didn't quite turn out that way. BOOM. The Vikings are doing good though.

Anonymous said...

ERRRRRR

Anonymous said...

Yes, the Vikes are back baby!!!

We have vanquished the team from Atlanta Georgia, home to HOPP.

Next week we'll take it to the beast itself. Seattle Seahawks prepare to be sacrificed at the holy alter of the Vikings.

We have now destroyed Reverend Ashmore's Raiders, HOPP's Falcons, and will surely for all that is good, annihilate Kekle and Company's NTCC Seahawks.

Superbowl Bound Minnesota Vikings!!!

Minnesota 24 Seattle 17

Chief said...

The Vikings are playing quite good this season. No doubt. Superbowl bound? We'll see but certainly playing good. Indeed.

Chief

Anonymous said...

49-17 Vikings are in!!!!

Now we must destroy Green Bay!!!

Anonymous said...

Congrats to the Vikings who are NFC Champions...

Now it's a rematch between all that is holy and all that is evil (Seahawks)...

Will they get destroyed? Probably, but hey, they're thinking big.

May God bless everyone in the new year.

Anonymous said...

NFC Champions??? Not quite yet. NFC North Champions. Four different champions in the NFC. North, south, east and west. Just a little correctness but no biggie. Hopefully they do beat the Seahawks. I'd love to see it. They have home field advantage so that's a good thing. We'll see what happens. Good luck. Hopefully Don's Broncos win also. Now the fun begins. The playoffs are upon us. Doesn't get any better than that. Roll Tide.

Don and Ange said...

The playoffs are upon us and my team got lucky enough to have a first round bye and home field advantage throughout the playoffs. This weekend, (wildcard weekend) and next weekend are my favorite football weekends of the year. Hopefully the Vikings will beat the Seahawks and Denver will play the teams that they match up the best against and win. Nothing is a given in the AFC. I'm glad that I won't be missing the playoffs this year while playing church with the ntcc. Hope everyone has a great weekend.

Anonymous said...

Looks like some bigwigs are jumping ship... And another high profile divorce...

It's like a really great episode of Maury.

Anonymous said...

Wow, a teacher left, went awol. probably an Ashmorite now.

Chief said...

Call me negative and that's probably the case but another person leaving the NTCC simply means 10 more will be recruited. That's the reality I recognize now. The Kekels are still multi multi mega millionaires and girls/women are still being treated like crap and personal property. We were all hoodwinked and played like the suckers we were and in many cases still are.

Our kids were made to follow the "rules" and Grant got a bi; plain and simple. That can't ever be undone. Childhoods were lost forever and people lived in poverty just so the Kekels could live high on the hog. Grant went to private schools and some of our kids didn't even graduate high school just for the sake of the "last great hope for mankind". This world is full of "NTCCs". It's a losing battle and a war that won't be won. That's what I've concluded conclusively. If the NTCC is shut down tomorrow, (which won't happen) HOP and Ashmore's crew will simply multiply. So let the suckers keep funding the Kekel's fat bank accounts and remain happy in the process. All the power to them. Someone has to take advantage of the suckers in this world, why not the Kekels? The world can't control ISIS and the NTCC won't be controlled either. Believe that. It's the world we live in and that's why, (minus a few arbitrary messages) I've stopped trying to perpetuate the furtherance of this blog.

There has already been enough info posted here for 90% of the NTCC leadership to find themselves behind bars but that's hardly turned out to be the case. Religious hucksters are protected by our own constitution and the hucksters figured that out centuries ago which is why the NTCC leadership remains free to practice their connivery quite happily I might add.

Chief

Anonymous said...

Please don't get me started on Grant... I'm going to have such a bad day.

Anonymous said...

So it's true that Cults will be apart of our fabric forever. That is disappointing. I will say that we're just a few generations away from being a much more agnostic/atheist country than a religious one.

Does that then become the new problem?

Anonymous said...

Please get started on the heir to the thrown... Does he even go to church?

Anonymous said...

Chief, I got ya. I'd like the old timers to answer for their fire and brimstone BS. They're such hypocrites. Will they? Probably not. I know if I'm ever around one of those churches I'll go and just start asking all kinds of questions.

I want answers but I'm with you. It's tough to watch it all. Good luck to you.

Anonymous said...

Chief, I dare say since Davis passing we've seen a pretty stead outflow of old timers and people in general. It could still break apart. Keep up the fight.

Anonymous said...

Good morning NTCC exers!!! No matter what frustration I might feel it's out of pure fun and amusement to mess with these morons that I still fight on.

In the words of LA Beast... "Have a Good Day"

Chief said...

Anon said...

Chief, I dare say since Davis passing we've seen a pretty stead outflow of old timers and people in general. It could still break apart. Keep up the fight.

Chief wrote...

I hear ya and that is good news. I don't know; we'll see? It would still be cool to see the doors shut but I certainly won't be holding my breath. It is occasionally amusing to throw some heat rounds at those crooks. I just like for people to see that I can call them crooks, swindlers and hucksters without the wrath of God like these swindling false prophets proclaim. Kekel is a fake. His father-in-law RDUB was a money hungry, control freak, wannabe prophet, con man huckster. Olson is just garbage suck up creep. Kekel had is all handed to him on a platter and Tanya is spoiled and she's a possession manna monger. I've been saying this for 8 years and the more I say it the more blessed I become. Try it some time. Say, "RW Davis was a swindling crook huckster". Control freaky deak.

Vic Johanson said...

That's right, Chief, they're charlatans, liars, and lowlifes. My wife was in SeaTac the other day and who did she sight but Mr. & Mrs. Whirlwind--jetting off someplace on the dime of others, first-class, no doubt. When she accosted them, all Mike could say was "Good Lord!" They refused a photo request and beat a hasty retreat. I wish I'd have been there; Edna's much more tactful. It would have been fun to give them a dose of the abuse they've been dishing out for years. At least I didn't have to befoul my retinas with the sight of them.

Anonymous said...

See, what did I say Chief. It's fun to call them out.

I understand the frustrations that goes with your mission. Remove yourself from the hurt and then bring those crooks to "Chief's House of PAIN"!!!!

I admit to not taking the high road with them anymore. At first it was about warning others or giving them a sense that there are survivors out there. Now it's all about needling Mike and his poverty stricken minions who take up "Pastor Offerings" to be a blessing to the man in the mansion.

And then there is Grant, the evidence of all that was, is, and will be Fraud and tyranny within that org. I know you've been soft on him in the past but I again will take the low road because for all intensive purposes... It's fun!

Mike

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