This is what you'll look like when the NTCC is about finished with you.
However you'd better get up and run and never turn back.
Without getting into details, I've been notified that another NTCC couple has left the organization. I didn't know the wife but I do know the husband and he has been with the NTCC for approximately 26 or 27 years. He's been the pastor of countless NTCC churches including those oversees. He's punched just about every NTCC ticket you can punch. I know he has been with the NTCC at least since 1984 or 85. You do the math. The NTCC, (with RWD the abusive JERK leading the way with this one) has ran off yet another long time member / minister. Same old tactics, nothing's changed. Old ornery, bully, RWD pointing his finger in the man's face. RWD needs a good punch right in the nose.
Get this folks and get it good. Roger W. Davis is an abusive, bully, male chauvinist, narcissistic, tyrant who doesn't know the first thing about common decency. If you are not a part of RWD's family you don't mean squat to him. Don't flatter yourself by thinking you are important to RWD just because he recognized you during conference and slapped you on your sweaty back, and punched you in your shoulder. You mean nothing to him. He will run you off just like he did this man who's been with the NTCC for over a quarter century. This pastor who just left the NTCC was personally invited to stay in the lodge with RWD during one of the last conferences that I attended. Have you ever stayed in the lodge with RWD during conference? Even if you did, he'll run you off just like he did this guy. I hate the NTCC. This man just dedicated over 25 years of his life to a group who's leader (RWD) considered him as little more than dung. If you want to find a good way to waste a major portion of your life, just keep sticking around the NTCC and you'll do just exactly that. Y'all better wake up. I'd rather leave now having wasted 10 -15 years of my life than to ignore posts just like this one and find out later that I wasted 20 - 25 -30 years just to go out into this world during a recession. At best you'll have an entry level job and a wife with no marketable skills whatsoever.
Buddy, your involvement with the NTCC can rapidly turn into your worst nightmare. Life ain't no game and it ain't no joke when you find yourself having to start your (get this) first real career at almost the age of 50 without having ever really invested in social security. You can serve God and have a real job at the same time. Oh you can't??????? So you are telling me only non-Christians should have a job. What about the scripture that says that if a man doesn't work he should not eat. You better make sure your family is taken care of folks because the NTCC won't. The New Testament Christian Church will really mess you up.
Jeff
Without getting into details, I've been notified that another NTCC couple has left the organization. I didn't know the wife but I do know the husband and he has been with the NTCC for approximately 26 or 27 years. He's been the pastor of countless NTCC churches including those oversees. He's punched just about every NTCC ticket you can punch. I know he has been with the NTCC at least since 1984 or 85. You do the math. The NTCC, (with RWD the abusive JERK leading the way with this one) has ran off yet another long time member / minister. Same old tactics, nothing's changed. Old ornery, bully, RWD pointing his finger in the man's face. RWD needs a good punch right in the nose.
Get this folks and get it good. Roger W. Davis is an abusive, bully, male chauvinist, narcissistic, tyrant who doesn't know the first thing about common decency. If you are not a part of RWD's family you don't mean squat to him. Don't flatter yourself by thinking you are important to RWD just because he recognized you during conference and slapped you on your sweaty back, and punched you in your shoulder. You mean nothing to him. He will run you off just like he did this man who's been with the NTCC for over a quarter century. This pastor who just left the NTCC was personally invited to stay in the lodge with RWD during one of the last conferences that I attended. Have you ever stayed in the lodge with RWD during conference? Even if you did, he'll run you off just like he did this guy. I hate the NTCC. This man just dedicated over 25 years of his life to a group who's leader (RWD) considered him as little more than dung. If you want to find a good way to waste a major portion of your life, just keep sticking around the NTCC and you'll do just exactly that. Y'all better wake up. I'd rather leave now having wasted 10 -15 years of my life than to ignore posts just like this one and find out later that I wasted 20 - 25 -30 years just to go out into this world during a recession. At best you'll have an entry level job and a wife with no marketable skills whatsoever.
Buddy, your involvement with the NTCC can rapidly turn into your worst nightmare. Life ain't no game and it ain't no joke when you find yourself having to start your (get this) first real career at almost the age of 50 without having ever really invested in social security. You can serve God and have a real job at the same time. Oh you can't??????? So you are telling me only non-Christians should have a job. What about the scripture that says that if a man doesn't work he should not eat. You better make sure your family is taken care of folks because the NTCC won't. The New Testament Christian Church will really mess you up.
Jeff
59 comments:
You are right Jeff, a big waste. I lived in a servicemen's home with the couple you are referring to and it's one of the few memories that I have that was untarnished by scandal. They were very good folks and were fun and easy to be around compared to others in the ntcc. In my experience with them, they didn't have the abusive attitude that I've noticed in others. For this reason they and a few others have not been mentioned in a negative light by me. Knowing the difficulties that many face, we wish them a smooth transition and hope they heal in time and live a prosperous life for God.
People don't just leave after dedicating such a huge portion of their lives and I can't imagine them leaving without a good reason. I am happy for anyone that is able to get out and make the Great Escape. Congrats!!!
Don and Ange
You know a strange occurrence has taken place in my mind. You'd think I'd be happy to hear of yet another couple who's escaped from the NTCC. Well that's not what happened. I felt bad. Not because they've left (because that is good) but just imagining what it would be like when reality kicked in. I can't imagine how it must feel to come to the realization that 26 years of your life has elapsed while being part of a group that you will no longer be involved with. I feel sorry for them. Once again, I can't stand the NTCC.
The NTCC is a hurtful, destructive, abusive, non-caring, insensitive, ungrateful, indecent, crooked, despicable cult. This man dedicated over 25 years of his life in loyalty to RWD and the end result was RWD treating him like a piece of discarded trash found laying on the side of the highway.
RWD is an absolute abusive asinine jerk. I'm convinced that RWD doesn't possess one ounce of common decency. RWD is heartless.
Jeff
Jeff said, "The NTCC is a hurtful, destructive, abusive, non-caring, insensitive, ungrateful, indecent, crooked, despicable cult."
LARCH says,
................................AMEN!!!
Folks need to start standing up to Old ornery RWD. I'd like to see that Old dude try and chew me out. I'd tell him, "get out of my face you grumpy old, hairy eyebrow'd, Grinch!!!! A bunch of brothers who've had enough should all go into church together and just tell off that old grouch. You'd need to be part of a group because otherwise, RWD's henchmen would throw you out on your head. If you were part of a group the worst thing that would happen is that there'd be a good old fashioned fight between a bunch of RWD loyalists and some fed up brothers who'd had enough of RWD's trash. These NTCC RWD loyalist brothers are like a thug gang who are just waiting on a chance to defend that bully pulpit grouch of a leader.
So if you've had enough one day and you decide to chew out RWD the jerk, you'd better be prepared to have a bunch of RWD drones try and throw you out on your head. RWD treats people real bad and his conduct is totally uncalled for. The NTCC isn't a church, it's like an organized crime syndicate led by an old grouchy crook by the name of Roger W. Davis. I heard the way RWD treated this minister and I don't like RWD one single bit. He is a straight up sinner who according to Bible standards is on his way to hell.
"Oh Jeff, how dare you talk about pastor Davis like that."
Jeff says...
Please, I've been talking about that old grump for years now and I'm not tired yet. I can't stand the way he treats good people and I'm trying to show you people that RWD ain't no God. He is just and old ornery hypocrite who puts his pants on the same way as the rest of us. I tell it the way I see it and old grouchy RWD is what he is; a male chauvinist pig. Now stop being scared of Roger W. Davis and start standing up for what is right. Get some. Hooah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeff
I wish the best to all those that flee the ntcc family business. Everyone that doesn't have the name Davis, or Kekel is disposable. After the escape you are shell shocked for sure, but take it one day at a time. Things will work themselves out.
Jeff,
There is no doubt that this blog was instrumental in the decision by this couple to finally part ways with RWD
Hopefully we can hear the whole story from them here in a future post.
I hope so too. People deserve to know what the NTCC is really all about. Maybe people would believe these folks. I doubt it. Especially being that the NTCC leadership has already no doubt drug this guys name through the mud. The probably said that he didn't love God and all the rest of that mumbo jumbo garbage.
Jeff
Wow Jeff, yes we both remember this person from right at about 26 years ago. Very good man and a precious couple that was a big influence on me and my wife. We had a lot of good times together. 1994 & 1995 especially they were both a big blessing to me and my wife.
Yep, it's just not right the way RWD treated this guy. Once again, RDUB is a control freak abusive jerk to the max. In the NTCC it's not about pleasing God even though that certainly matters the most. It's about pleasing RWD by consistently bringing in money and numbers. If you ever fail at that task during one tour as an NTCC pastor, you my friend are dirt in RWD eyes. The control monger RWD will blast you, humiliate you, and run you off. He'll make your life so miserable that you'd be an idiot to stay with the NTCC.
Having that knowledge, you should know that staying with the NTCC is not about staying with God because the NTCC is an ungodly organization. If you want to please God, you won't be very successful by remaining with the NTCC.
Jeff
That's like "shooting fish in a barrrel"
My name is David Dyal. I really wonder if the NTCC has anyone that is in it for the right reasons. Their vision of a soul seems to be directed only to those with money. How many of the NTCC ministers that are right with God are going to get hurt before they realize what they're in? I pray for them...Don Tumioli and a few others know just how bad I was treated by the so called "Pastors." It was more like, "Sure Brother, you can have an opinion, but it better be mine. You can spend your money on what you want to, after you give you 90 percent to us." IT all was centered around money, don't bring in anyone but the military. I'll admit, it was good for good foundation with God. Other than that, what a waste.
David said...
I'll admit, it was good for a good foundation with God. Other than that, what a waste.
Jeff said...
That is about as good as I've heard it put from anyone. I'm not even sure how good that foundation was? The first thing you have to do is get all that trash out of your head that the NTCC taught you. That is the biggest problem that I see from exNTCCers. Many of them have lost the ability to think straight. They really get mixed up.
Jeff
When I say trash I'm talking about the common perception that no matter what you do in the NTCC, it's never good enough. Feeling that you have to work your way to heaven and no matter how much work you do it's never enough. Feeling that the number of days you attend church directly translates into how saved you are. Feeling that you can never question anyone who calls them self "pastor". Feeling like God will strike you down for calling people like RWD a highly abusive, chauvinistic, control monger, hypocrite, greedy, money hungry, narcissistic grouch that he is.
This is all the trash that you've got to get out of your mind when you leave the NTCC or you'll never be able to effectively think on you own.
Jeff
Folks need to start standing up to Old ornery RWD.
Jeff, all in good time my friend, all in good time!!!
By the way, I just spent three whole days traveling cross country due to a military mission.
Man I was exhausted! Three winey kids in a car, My wife who was getting over a sickness and I'm drinking so much Red Bull, Monster and God knows what else to stay awake to take care of my precious cargo (my family), driving 500 PLUS miles daily, Man If I did a self induced risk assessment I would have been high risk every day!!
And YET - MC Kekel wants folks to hazard their lives and the lives of their famlies and drive CROSS COUNTRY to hear how you can put on a skit and invite people to church?
Three days of driving is enough for me, I could not make it 5 days straight driving, I just would not have the patience!
At least the Military pays me back for travel, dislocation allowance, per diem and the like, THANK GOD or I would be BROKE.
What does NTCC pay you for driving 2000 miles because, as MC Kekel says, "ITS GOING TO BE FUN!!!"
N-O-T-H-I-N-G. But, don't forget to go into debt and pay your tithe since your already there!!!
And dont forget to bring Grandmaw along so she will suffer a heart attack.
The NTCC cult is not only crazy, it is stupid.
Bro Johnson
Bro Johnson
Jeff,
I just relized something: NTCC does NOT hand out Perfect Attendance Certificates!
Nor do they Print out the 25 years of Faithful service either!!
Bro Johnson
David Dyal said, "[ntcc's] vision of a soul seems to be directed only to those with money."
Don and Ange say,
That is so sad and so true. Others have testified to this fact in the comment pages on the newspaper series about ntcc. [Click the story titles to bring up each of the five articles.] They shared how ntcc teaches, "Don't invite people with blankets in the window for curtains -- They don't have any money."
When Tracy Pelfrey tried to volunteer / help out at a Filipino Orphanage, ashmore tried to stop her, "We really don't do that."
Christ does! Look at what His Apostle James wrote:
"Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, [and] to keep himself unspotted from the world." [James 1v27]
Just this one verse shows how impure and defiled the ntcc religion is before God!
David has hit the nail on the head in his truthful observation of how ntcc operates! If your ntcc religion is impure and defiled before God, it is indeed a waste!
Don and Ange
To David Dyal, my friend and brother...
We served together 25 years ago in the United States Army and swore "to defend against all enemies foreign and domestic." We ended up in a battle for survival in a different war against those whom we trusted with our souls. We found ourselves fighting for our own survival with very little support in what seemed to be a no-win situation.
Now, 25 years later, we are fighting in a similar war against powers and principalities and rulers of darkness in high places. In this battle we are not alone! There are many survivors like us that have our backs and that will not throw us under the bus in our time of need!!
I believe we are called to bring attention to the destructive and abusive practices of the ntcc. I consider it an honor to defend our Christian rights with you and will go to battle with you any day, side-by-side.
Don
Don / 1 NCO 2 Another -- Your comment really got me thinking... Here's what I think: "Defend Against Enemies Foreign and Domestic" Former U.S. Army Sergeant Reggio speaks out against the ntcc.
Angela / 1 G.I. 2 Another / Sassy
Don said...
I consider it an honor to defend our Christian rights with you and will go to battle with you any day, side-by-side.
Jeff said...
Hooah!!! You just got me motivated. Airborne, all the way, everyday, sound off.
Up in the morning fore the break of day, listen to Roger Davis, no way.
I heard abusive blasting way too soon, RWD's a blowhard, by noon.
I went to the church on my knees, saying NTCC would you free me please,
RWD looked a me with a grin, then I walked up on him and punched him in the chin,
Cause he's abusive, all the way every day, sound off 1-2, sound off 3-4.
Up jumped RWD from a coconut grove, he was a mean motor scooter you could tell by his clothes,
Shoes all shined and suit all pressed, all he ever did was sit behind a desk,
I lined 100 abusive pastors up against a wall, I bet five dollars I could take them all,
I punched 98 till my knuckles turned blue, then I backed up and pulled the pin and fragged the other two,
Cause I'm Airborne, all the way, every day,
Some folks say a preacher won't steal, I caught one in my watermelon field,
He was spittin out the seeds and chewing up the rind, all he could do was a double time.
Ha, ha, ha, ha. Hooah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Airborne, Air Assault.
Chief
Chief / Jeff said,
"Up jumped RWD from a coconut grove, he was a mean motor scooter you could tell by his clothes,
Shoes all shined and suit all pressed, all he ever did was sit behind a desk,"
Don and Ange say,
wahaha! lol funny, Bro.! rdub used to wear the white suit down in the Philippine Islands. We think of him everytime we see the Panama Jack logo:
"Pimp daddy, all the way; pimped out, every day...
Feel-up my daughter? That's okay. I know ... how much you'll pay...
You can have her, I don't care; don't even sweat it, if Victor stares.
We'll dump Vic later, when we're through; and we'll keep his escrow too.
Coz we're pimp daddies, you and me; give more to the ntcc
Yeah, we're pimp daddies, flush and phat,
If you don't like it, get some of dat!
Don and Ange
so will it ever be shared who it is that left ?
When the people who left want it to be shared.
Jeff
Most likely, this former NTCC preacher said something to RWD about the compromise, changing of policies, loosening of regulations, or whatever it is labeled today and RWD didn't like being reminded of how he was and what he used to preach about before the grandson entered the picture, so they clashed.
As we all know, RWD was there first, so if you don't like it, there's the door.
I don't know. I am just speculating based on my knowledge of RWD and the former NTCC preacher.
Look, stop trying to post who you believe it is I refereed to in this article. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong. If I wanted to name someone in the article, I would have done it. Until these people tell me they want to be named, it's not going to happen on this thread. I don't care if you speculate that I was referring to the mother Mary because it won't stay here.
Jeff
You need to delete the details on this post. RWD's slap on the back and punch give it away.
You can call me a jerk. You can call me Sue. Ha, ha. You can type practically anything you want on this blog but until these folks "WANT" to be named you can stop trying.
Jeff
I don't need to delete anything other than what I want to because the last time I checked, I have the login ID and password here. I'm not in the NTCC any longer so there won't be any controlling me and your wasting your time trying.
Jeff
By the way, how is things out in California or is the New York State area?
Jeff
ok you win! I know he was your boy though.
pease out!
p.s.
enjoying the winter thaw
Are things really thawing out in New York? My Mother lives in New York and she told me today that upstate got slaughtered with snow. She says she is sick and tired of the winter.
I like it down here in the south. Georgia is wonderful. Too much pollen though.
Take care,
Jeff
Good morning all,
Just wanted to say that I woke up this morning feeling fine and it is a beautiful day to be alive.
Ange and I would like to say we enjoy being a part of the X-er nation, and we are devoted to the cause of helping survivors of the ntcc in anyway possible.
We also hold no ill-will towards ntcc'rs even though we feel bad for them and hope they will see the light one day.
Hope everyone has a great day and if you get a chance to pass along a kind gesture to your fellow human being don't pass it up. It's a wonderful thing to slow down the pace of your life and take in the good things.
Favorite quote:
"Don and Ange speak the truth." Anon
Hey Jeff,
Yesterday you got 2 posts from Football players_mom on an old thread titled "Leadership in the ntcc or the lack thereof". We responded to her comments but it must have gone into the spam filter.
Don and Ange
Anonymous said, You need to delete the details on this post. RWD's slap on the back and punch give it away.
I think Jeff said it was about the man who left punching all the NTCC tickets and RWD's finger in his face, but does that change anything? Gotta be more to it than a finger in the face after all those years.
Jeff said:
If you are not a part of RWD's family you don't mean squat to him. Don't flatter yourself by thinking you are important to RWD just because he recognized you during conference and slapped you on your sweaty back, and punched you in your shoulder. You mean nothing to him. He will run you off just like he did this man who's been with the NTCC for over a quarter century.
And I say:
Jeff has a good point here. I have seen many a loyal preacher punched in the shoulder and slapped on the sweaty back at conference over the years. Now, most of those preachers have moved on.
I don't think NTCC has over 20 preachers who have been around over 20 years now. It seems RWD and MCK like the young fresh blood; those who were not around before the grandson entered the picture; those that check their brain at the door and without question, gulp down all the pride infested, self righteous, personal opinions preached as holiness.
The fact is that What once was preached as sin, is now accepted as "normal" and yet, nothing has been said publicly, about a change in doctrine, or a new revelation from God, or whatever, to all the preachers who were around when it was preached as sin.
Thanks for reading,
Fred
Fred said...
I don't think NTCC has over 20 preachers who have been around over 20 years now. It seems RWD and MCK like the young fresh blood; those who were not around before the grandson entered the picture
Jeff said...
Bingo. That is exactly what I was thinking. Get rid of the old guys and then you won't have to justify your actions because the new guys were never around to even know what you preached for years. Once again, I was thinking the exact same thing. In fact I was going to start a thread with this thought.
Here is the sick part. The old guys are the ones who've invested 20 - 30 - 40 years with the NTCC and these are the exact ones that RWD will write off in a second. That is so sick it is beyond comprehension. You want to talk about a double-cross. I can't even imagine. Dedicate 25 -30 years of your short life just to have RWD run you off by making your life miserable? RWD doesn't have a heart. He may be the most heartless person that I've ever met. I'm not kidding. Olson is right there with him. I hate what the NTCC has done to people. The NTCC has absolutely shipwrecked the lives of so many people. Good God! If you lived to be seventy and you spent 25 years of your life with the NTCC then one third of your life was wasted. Just wasted people. All the time wasted, all the family that you forsook, all the money wasted, all the career opportunities lost and wasted. Do the people who are reading this blog understand the severity of what I'm writing? Do yourself the biggest favor that you could possibly give. Leave the NTCC as quickly as possible because if you don't you can mark my words; you'll seriously regret it later in life if you don't leave the NTCC now.
Go find a real church. One that really cares about people because RWD is the NTCC and he don't care about you at all. His conscience is too far gone. He'll let you dedicate 25 years of you life to his "CORPORATION" just to send you packing and he'll do his best to forget that you've ever existed. You mean one thing to RWD and one thing only. You mean as much to RWD as the money that you can give to his organization. That is all you mean to him. Actually I'm wrong; dead wrong. He has so much money, that doesn't mean anything to him anymore. Here is all you mean to him. Bow down to him and treat him like royalty and let him control your life like he controls women and that is all you mean to him. He is a control freak monger dictator authoritarian narcissist. He likes power and as long as you let him have power over you he won't mind you sticking around. Question his power base and buddy you just signed your ticket away from the NTCC and I don't care how many years you've been there.
Trust me.
Jeff
Man the people who post on Mike Kekels blog practically make me vomit. "Your message was such a blessing Sir". "Thank God for the men of God Sir". "Your message just brightened my day Sir". Blessing this, man of God that, thank you Sir this, what a blessing that, Lord keep us this, praise God that. Boy I can't believe that I was that brainwashed. Everything has some kind of NTCC jargon spiritual twist on it and everybody is trying their best to suck up to Mike Kekel. These suck ups probably bend over every time Mike Kekel enters the room.
"Should I bend over Sir"? "Oh yes Sir, Sir". "Praise God Sir". "Can I clean your underwear Sir"? "Oh cleaning your underwear was such a blessing Sir". "Can my wife come and clean your socks Sir". "I'm such a cheese eater, wouldn't you say Sir". "Praise the Lord Sir". "Can I clean under your toe nails Sir". "Your toe cheese was such a blessing Sir". "You know I like your toe cheese, because I'm a cheese eater Sir". "Praise God Sir"? "Can I take out your trash and be a real blessing Sir"? "Can I clean your toilet with my bare hands Sir"? "Oh maybe use my tongue Sir"? "Oh that was a blessing Sir"!!! "Can I clean the bottom of your shoes Sir". "You know after you stepped in RWD's spit Sir". "Letting me clean the bottom of your shoes was such a blessing Sir". "I know the NTCC needs more money so can I up my pledge Sir"?
Those guys read too many stories about Elisha. They think spirituality is about how much you can suck up to the so called "man of God". It's more like "man of money".
Jeff
Bro Jeff im sending you this blurb via mobile phone due to my
PCS move. Its cool to be able to read this blog on my cell!
Don T brought up a good point about NTCC being an
enemy of the USA.
NTCC is not only an enemy of the USA but an enemy of
the Cross.
I will be working to get NTCC banned from my new duty
Post. No GIs mean no money which means the work
closes down. Hooah!
Bro Johnson
You think Davis cares about you? You think he likes you? Go knock on his front door just to see how he is doing and see what happens? He doesn't even want anyone going by his house. He put is out in conference. What kind of existence is that? The dude is the head of a church but he acts like someone who should have the secret service guarding him. Yeah RWD cares about you. Well go knock on his front door, (that you probably can't even get to) and say, "Whats up brother" and see what happens. The big high and mighty cheese who has become so important and spiritual that you can't even go by his house to say hi.
I'll tell you what it is. He has messed up the lives of so many people and he's made so many enemies that he's afraid that someone will come after him. Now don't go telling me that he is just being persecuted because he is a Christian and Jesus was persecuted also. The things that RWD has done to people don't have anything to do with Jesus. Jesus has common decency. RWD doesn't know the first thing about it. If someone ever did go after RWD it wouldn't have anything to do with him being holy or spiritual. It would be because he wrecked so many lives and RWD knows it and that is why he lives in fear behind a fence. I fence represents fear. Sometimes a healthy fear. Example: I have a fear of other peoples dogs coming in my yard and attacking my little boy so I have a fence. That is not the case with me but I'm just using that as a fictitious example. Example: "I'm afraid of someone breaking in my house so I have a gun." Healthy fear.
R.W. Davis: I have a fence around my house because I've messed up the lives of so many people that it is likely someone would come after me hence the necessary security precautions.
You all better wake up and recognize what RWD is really all about. He doesn't give a hoot about you. Wake up and smell the roses.
Jeff
"We need several brothers with Strong backs and weak minds to help us....."
The words of Ms. Kekel spoken to Mr. Kekel when rounding up the "faithful" for some "honey-do" chore around the mansion.
This statement really hit me when I heard her say it because it revealed the true attitude of the heart toward those who sincerely wanted to help and be a blessing.
They view the faithful as "weak minded" and perhaps we were because we allowed them to manipulate us.
Luk 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
Mat 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
Mat 12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
Mat 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
Mat 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Thanks,
Fred
Just wanted to say that I woke up this morning feeling fine and it is a beautiful day to be alive.
Don Angie posted this.
Made me think back to life while in ntcc. I do not remember waking up relaxed,refreshed totally. I woke up,got dressed and ready in case someone Popped in! Something is wrong if you feel the need to be ready(Hair done,dressed with NYLONS) just in case someone comes to your door. OR when you need a few ingredients from the grocery store. NO WAY would you ever just jump in the vechile and run to Fred Myers or Albertson to get few items for supper that night. Stick those hot sticks in your hair,Tease that poof,nylons and heels and matching purse. For what,to run to the grocery store. In case you run into the Bank president and need to invite him out. That is from Verna Davis preacher wife Davis notes!!You read this as a Sane person and think what in the world???
All of there added policies,jumping through hoops causes STRESS. You do not even realize you are under stress. UNTIL you leave ntcc. a HUGE burden is lifted. I am not making it up to be like "the world" junk!
My husband would ask me,are you misreable? I thought THEN,you got to be kidding me. I am not misreable. We are doing Gods will. Aren't we??? I can't be misreable because if I was then something wrong with ME or NTCC. And if it was ntcc I would have to ask questions and show I didn't agree with the way women were bashed,the policies of no card games being played and not even board games THEN,calling and asking another adult for permission to visit someone or go shopping with them!!! If I disagreed with any of that,THERE IS THE DOOR policy. I would have been told to leave. Because rw davis was there before me! He was there first!!!! That FEAR that they instill and brainwashed into thinking if I am told to leave. My husband will leave me,WOMAN! I am not that important. Since you watch them remarry at alarming rates.
Side note. I am a Marine. Which To become a Marine. I was broken down and built back up. Then get invited out to church. Thinking that was a good thing. Get into ntcc. And what do they do,break you down all over again. And build you up into how they want you to act,talk,do what they want!! Difference,in the Marines my offtime was my time. Ntcc there is no offtime!
Back to feeling refreshed,relaxed. I feel so much less stress now. I get up,excited for what MY day holds. God guides my choices,what I do that day. Who I might come in contact with. Just getting ready to go somewhere like church or a bible study. There is NO anxious nerves,rushing. Making sure we are all look good to pass Tanya's glareing inspection as you walk into church. SHE would look you up and down. To pass her inspection! None of that anymore!
When I say God is Good it isn't because I feel like i HAVE to say it to appear spiritual and gain brownie points with Mike K. I can say what I think and not what I think others want me to think!
April
According to Fred Mrs. Kekel said...
"We need several brothers with Strong backs and weak minds to help us....."
Jeff said...
I'll tell you what Mrs. Kekel can do with all those weak minded brothers; kiss their butts. All the Kekels do is use people. You might help someone on a rare occasion but if you are doing it all the time you are being used.
Jeff
Hello everyone:
For all of you that may not know, I had a meeting with Mike Kekel and Tanya Kekel in September of last year. I haven't divulged the contents of that meeting, But I will do so with some of the things we talked about now. I don't have time to go into great detail but if anyone has any questions they are free to call me.
What she is purported to have said does not surprise me in the least bit. She came to the meeting I had with Mike uninvited and then thought that if she brought cookies that it would make everything just hunky-Dorry. She came to that meeting for 1 reason and 1 reason only, and that was to protect the virtue of her Dad. She came across as loud, bawdy, obnoxious, as well as abrasive. I wanted to "open up" on her but I promised my wife that I would not do that. For some of the people who know me know that I can be very forthright, and blunt. She probably did about 75% of the talking and came across as an absolute and total B*^$h who badly needed to be brought to the realm of reality. I mean, she went to incredible lengths to defend her beloved "Dad" to the point of being ridiculous. She said if I had any questions I should "write" him a letter. Why should I have to write him a stupid letter when he could have shown up there with them and I could have told him to his face all of the things that I wanted to say? He would probably never get that letter and Mike would have just written out the response. I finally (after going in circles with them for about an hour) ended it by just saying that we are doing nothing at all in this meeting, this meeting is a absolute waste of time and I was tired of hearing him "spin" like a politician.
After that meeting there was no doubt in my mind who wore the pants in that family.
I was looking on Sister Ashmore's blog site she she described Tanya as a "Proverbs 31 Woman". I've always had alot of respect for Sister Ashmore but let me make this clear in case Tanya reads this........
Tanya, you are NOT a Proverbs 31 woman!!!!!!!
Here is the irony Bro. Actually she is a Proverbs 31 woman. Proverbs 31 portrays a women who has a real (get this) "JOB" while delivering goods to the merchants. Proverbs 31 portrays a women with a job and because of the "JOB" that the Proverbs 31 woman has, she is considered virtuous. No I don't consider Tanya to be virtuous for a variety of reasons but Tanya does have a job and so does the Proverbs 31 woman.
So here is what that tells me. All the other women in the NTCC who don't have a job need to get one or else they (according to Bible standards) can't be considered virtuous. So Tanya is not virtuous because she plays people like a fiddle while having them come and be her slave and she is bossy and big headed but she does have a job. The other NTCC woman who might be decent women can't be considered virtuous because they don't have a job. So the one who has a job isn't virtuous and the women who won't get a job aren't virtuous so as a result the NTCC has found a way to make it so that none of their women (according to Bible standards) can be qualified as "virtuous".
So to all "good NTCC women": If you want to be a real Proverbs 31 woman the best place to start is to get a job. If you don't get a job, you'll never be totally like the woman portrayed it Proverbs 31 because she in fact had a job and she brought in money. READ IT WOMEN and in the process turn your brain back on so you can understand what it clearly says. THE LADY IN PROVERBS HAD A JOB and she was considered virtuous!!!!!!!
The NTCC has all it's women duped, fooled, suckered, and bamboozled. They've fallen for RWDs chauvinistic mumbo jumbo. Being a "keeper at home" means to be a good house keeper. Look it up ladies. It doesn't mean that you can't have a job. RWD has lied to you and fooled you. You can have a job and still be a good house keeper and still be domestically inclined and still be a Christian and still be virtuous like the lady in Proverbs 31. RWD has played you all like fiddles and that is why his daughter teaches at the seminary. She has a job and so could you. Oh thats right you do have a job. Going over to clean Tanya's house and because you are cleaning "her" house, she can not qualify as someone who can be considered a "keeper at home". How can she be a good house keeper i.e. "keeper at home" when another woman is always coming over to clean HER house? The NTCC has all you women played like straight up worthless, useless, suckers who RWD says are worth no more than someone to cook and have sex with.
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I want just one person to disprove what I just wrote. It won't happen because you can't. I'm right and the NTCC has it's women played like a bunch of cheap, wore out fiddles. They can't even stay in tune.
Jeff
Hey Jeff,
Tell us what you REALLY think, why dontcha?
LOL
Maybe I'll try that. Sounds like a good idea. Tanya is not a keeper at home. The other NTCC women aren't proverbs 31 women because they don't have a job.
There.
Jeff
You know I just read my post about women and jobs. I understand that I was quite straight forward. Sometimes it's necessary in order to wake people up. I would love nothing more than to see a whole bunch of NTCC women all bond together while telling their husbands they want to go out and find a real job. Then when their husbands get all upset, (like I would have while I was in the NTCC) the wife needs to point out that the scripture "keepers at home" has nothing to do with a women not being able to have a job. She needs to tell her husband that RWD has lied to them and deceived them, and as a result they are often financially struggling when they shouldn't have to. All the NTCC women need to stand up and bond together and do like Denis did during the split. That is what it takes to get results.
Sisters: If your husband leaves you because you went out to find a job, you never had a real husband to begin with. You just had a brainwashed sucker who will always allow you guys to live in poverty all your life while the Kekels and Davis' live in mansions. They get all your money by you'll never get theirs because that is not the way the NTCC is set up. No church should be set up that way. A business, yes? A church is not a business and RWD has you fooled in thinking that it is. Most business produce a tangible product and as a result, revenue comes in from the sale of the product. Well I'm not a product and you aren't either and the NTCCs money making scheme is bogus and RWD is a crook.
Boy oh boy does he have folks fooled.
No where in the Bible does it talk about a church patterned after the one that RWD runs. No where!!!!!!!!!
Jeff
http://www.thechristianwoman.com/christian-women-topics/should-christian-mother-work.html
Anonymous posted a link....
Jeff said...
First off, no where in any of the scriptures mentioned in the article does it say that a woman can't have a job. In the verse of scripture referenced in the article, Paul said that he "would" (in other words if he had his way, which is not a mandate) that "younger woman" marry, have children and guide the house. Notice he said "younger". That does not mean all.
Ok, so you want to take that literally to mean that a "young" woman can't have a job because she must have children and guide the home i.e. stay home. Ok, according to your logic, and the logic of the author, women couldn't even go to church, soul winning, clean Tanya's house or they certainly couldn't teach at the NTCCs seminary like Tanya!!!! If they participated in any of those activities they'd be in violation of that scripture because in doing such they wouldn't be quote "guiding the home". Your logic would indicate that a young woman must "STAY AT HOME", period!! Which way is it going to be NTCCers, does "guide the home" mean that a women must stay at home or does it not, which one is it.
Not only that, if you were to explicitly follow that scripture, that means that the NTCC leadership has been totally in violation when they've taught that it's better for women not to have children while encouraging men to have vasectomies. So Tanya Kekel is wrong for leaving her house to teach at the NTCS and constantly go shopping because during those times she failed to guide her home and all the NTCC sisters and their husbands who are like the Kinsons, Hunts and Oberhausers have failed to follow the scripture because they deliberately never had children.
You see you can't have it both ways but such is the way of the double standard NTCC. They want it both ways. They don't want women to quote "guide the home" as long as they leave their home to go soul winning, church, teach Sunday School, clean the church, clean the Kekel's house, run people all over creation, while doing everything else that the NTCC leadership can dream up. The NTCC leadership says it's ok for a women to leave her home for almost every imaginable reason as long as she doesn't leave to go to a job. That is not what the scripture says and it's a double standard.
Not only that you can't add to the scripture by trying to make it mean what it does not say, and in addition, the scripture specifically references "younger" women. So once again according to your logic that must mean that "older" women can have a job and what is the magic age that differentiates the quote, "younger" from the "older"?
Your reference article is so full of loop holes that you'd make a more convincing plea with a slice of swiss cheese with text etched on it.
Once again and so that folks can learn to think on their own, outside the NTCC little box, if you are going to say that a young woman must stay at home then that means she must "STAY" at home but you can't have it both ways just to suit the NTCC agenda.
Double standards, double stands, double stands is the NTCC way and that is not the Bible way or Gods way.
You see, I am no longer like the person who posted the above referenced link. This person can't think on their own because they've been totally brainwashed by the NTCC just like I was before I left the cult. Now I can think on my own and specifically in this case, my logic is irrefutable. I want someone to come on here and prove me wrong!!!! Yes, that is a challenge and you need to do a better job, because posting an article that someone else wrote, is not thinking on your own and it's anything but convincing because it's wrong.
Jeff
here's a good biblical explanation for you ntcc'ers.
http://www.gotquestions.org/women-work.html
Don and Ange,
Thus saith the ntcc: "A woman is to be a keeper of the house but is allowed to leave the house only under for the following conditions:"
1. To goeth soul winning.
2. To cleaneth the kekel or davis estates.
3. To goeth shopping for her husband.
4. To goeth to any church function.
5. To goeth anywhere the ntcc pastor directeth them to go for any reason the pastor deemeth necessary.
6. To delivereth their tithe and offerings to the storehouse of God.
7. To do anything that benefitteth the ntcc leadership.
8. For any reason under the sun that the ntcc thinketh up except for goething to work.
9. So that the ntcc can controlleth the women in the church.
10. Because the man of Gawd dictateth it.
These are the ten commandments of the ntcc concerning women that worketh.
Don and Ange
Thus sayeth the ntcc:
There are exceptions to the scriptures that we twisteth because we all know there are always exceptions to every rule (it's easier to ask for forgiveness than permission). The exceptions are as follows:
1. Women are only allowed to worketh if they are missionaries or they are in servicemen's works which are not considered world missions so they are not supportethed by the world missions funds but they are expected to sin against God and disobey the twisted scripture that was twisted by the ntcc. (They are also allowed to tell lies to getteth their visa saying that they are tourists)
2. They are allowed to get employethed by the ntcc as bibleschool teachers if they are the founder's daughter or adopted daughter or whatever they happen to be if they can find some week minded brothers with strong backs to take care of their own honey do chores around the house.
3. Women are allowed to cleaneth up after the elite kekels by scrubbing toilets and other tedious tasks at the kekel estate because the kekels are too busy finding ways to twist scriptures and invent policies and taking damage control measures to clean their own house. (In addition to their evasive maneuvers, they also find time to go to dog shows and bluegrass festivals and Europe to shop for fine crystal)
Don and Ange
Don and Ange said...
Thus saith the ntcc: "A woman is to be a keeper of the house but is allowed to leave the house only under for the following conditions:"
Jeff said...
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!! LOL. ROFLOL. That was good. Real funny. The sad part is that it is sooo true. It is absolutely true and if you can't see it you are very blind. Sometimes the most clear truth can be found in humor. Good one Don and Ange.
Jeff
Whew! Back online! It was torture not being able to text, it was so slow on my mobile phone.
I was reminded of the days with NO Internet. When there was an information blackout. When I was at Fort Campbell, KY, getting ready to go to Korea for the 1ST time, the Rev was kind of in the dark about the Korean churches, he did not even know who the preacher was.
If it was not for a Sister who had just arrived from Korea, I would have been in the dark.
NTCC was pretty good about keeping Folks in the dark at that time, 1994 B.I. (Before Internet).
NTCC preachers were even not upfront with church members concerning THE SPLIT back in 04. I think N.S. and Dawn can attest to that.
It was not until a brother that I had kept tabs with who also defected and went to IHOP who told me about the Split (Someone OUTSIDE of NTCC was more upfront with me than my so called Preacher) did I then confront the Rev at the time at my local NTCC who then signed and said, "Yes Brother, Blah Blah Blah"
NTCC prefers to keep weak minded brothers in the dark.
By the way that couple who left NTCC, whomever they are, God Bless them in their current endeavours.
If that Preacher paid 100 tithe every month for one year, that equates to $1,200 given in tithe (a very conservative estimate).
NTCC owes that Preacher $30,000 back in Tithe given over 25 years. The reason why I say that is that, when you tithe, you give to God. They thought they were giving to God, but really, they were giving to RW Davis, Inc.
I am never an advocate in getting money back from a Church, but NTCC is a Cult and should recomp all previous Ministers who were betrayed by the Man of Gawd and thrown under the bus.
As a matter of fact, NTCC can give him my money that NTCC owes me, the poor man and his wife need it more than I do.
You go rent a apartment they are going to want First Month's rent money up front for insurance, then more money to pay for THAT MONTH which is prorated for that month. THEN you pay the regular amount due in rent the First of the Month.
I hope that Minister had some savings because if he did not, well, you fill in the blank _______________________________. Chances are he did but we are still in a recession, jobs are hard to get, much less an apartment!
Bro Johnson
My wife is a Homemaker, and that is by our decision, not me making her do it.
A one income family is trying at times, but it can be done. I have been doing it for over 10 years successfully. It is not mandated by a Church or NTCC, it is my choice.
We also Tithe, my wife being more of an advocate of this than I am, but in marriage, you give a little to get a little.
You have to have a budget, but I do not owe any credit cards to anybody! I try to be like RW Davis, PAID FOR IN CASH!!!
Dating a Sister in NTCC is the worse possible experience for a brother. It was as if the Man of Gawd did not trust me with a Sister alone. All dates were chaparoned.
A grown man hanging out with another grown man to make sure he does not play footsie with a strong minded Sister, something just cries "CULT!!!" all over it.
It was God and God alone that pulled both me and the Sister out of NTCC. Thank God I finally saw the light, or I would have been a Divorced, twice married NTCC Preacher living in poverty, preaching the Truth to Youth in Holy Spirit Power attending Mandatory Conferences Cheesing up to MC Kekel!
Bro Johnson
Wonder what they are going to say about the Rev and his wife that were kicked to the curb by RW Davis?
"You know Brother XYZ and his wife were never really right with God"
"Their hearts were not right"
"Brother XYZ admitted looking at ______ on the Internet and would not repent" (Note: I am SURE this did not happen, just a hypothetical)
"I dont care if your in MY CHURCH for 30 years, you dont serve Gawd MY WAY there is the Door!!"
"Brother XYZ got crossed up with Gawd and wanted to have kids. You CAN'T start a work of God with a Baby!!" (Devonshire perks up when he hears this)
"If you want to be Rich, don't be a Preacher! Brother XYZ has left the work but I'm sending another Brother and his wife there! We are NOT going to close down the work in XYZtown. In fact, Brother Weakmind, you and your wife better pack your bags after conference, because your Brother XYZ's Replacement!! (Note: the Brother is thinking, Holy Sh##!!! when Davis drops the bomb). Then Davis yells, "See me after this service!!!"
Bro Johnson
Bro Johnson said:
"Wonder what they are going to say about the Rev and his wife that were kicked to the curb by RW Davis?"
Don and Ange said:
Welcome back Bro. Johnson. Hope you enjoyed COW, been there myself.
They probably already did, if you look at Muck's recent post about washed up preachers. Every time a Preacher and his wife leave they have to post something derogatory to smear them. They can never admit that the preacher and his wife felt that it was time to move on, but they have to place them on a hell-bound path to justify their own doctrine and belief that they are the only ones going to heaven.
Don and Ange
Don,
I will be in COW for the forseable future, minus wartime deployments.
Blessings,
Bro Johnson
Anybody notice that the Church Directory on the NTCC website is "Out of Service"? You are encouraged to email or call
The lengths that Kekel goes to hide and cover up his sins are incredible!
You would think with bright minds like Briggs that some of his sites, which have been under construction for over three years, would be fixed by now.
Just goes to show that not all Millionaires are smart OR SELF MADE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bro Johnson
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