You know Don and Ange, people think we are just mean spirited but they are missing the whole point. We are talking REAL LIFE, not some fairy tail. You believe in Christ and you don't live in some fairy tail land where you throw "RESPONSIBILITY" completely out the window and thats what too many NTCC people just don't get and unfortunately Robert Briggs (as nice of a guy as he was) didn't get it either. Is that mean spirited? Is telling the truth while trying to help folks so they don't make the same terrible mistakes being "mean spirited". Sometimes the truth sucks and it seems cruel. Take care of your LOVING family people. Paul talked about not being married so he could "completely focus" on the Gospel because listen to this; Paul knew if he was married and he had kids that he couldn't totally focus on the Gospel because he knew it was his Christian responsibility and his GOD GIVEN DUTY to place a considerable amount of focus on his family.
So Paul stayed single by choice but when you don't stay single by choice and you elect to have a family and Kids for crying out loud, you can't simply neglect them for the sake of the Gospel and certainly not for the sake of the stinking, greedy, control freak NTCC our you shouldn't have had a family in the first place!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Paul understood that, but NTCC people don't because they've been brainwashed by RWD and Kekel the conniving crooks.
And that is the problem with the NTCC and I hate it. The conniving NTCC leadership wants all your time and MONEY and they don't care if your family is neglected as long as you give them your time and MONEY for their greedy desires. You say, "how can you say that about RWD and Kekel". Because if RWD and Kekel were real caring leaders, they would NOT allow a married man to pastor in the NTCC period, unless he showed proof that he has a life insurance policy for his family in the event that he dies. You are REQUIRED to have life insurance if you are in the military, no ifs, ands, or buts because unlike the NTCC leadership, the military doesn't just say that they care, they show that they care certainly in that regard. The NTCC leadership doesn't show any genuine concern for all that but they do show a genuine concern for a bunch of mansions, RVs, fat cars, expensive and excessive schools for the Kekels are all at your expense????
Is that really what Christianity is all about?????? Is that what tithing was all about as it was mandated in the """OLD TESTAMENT""". HELL NO!!!!! It was never intended for those purposes even then and there is no mention of tithing being a mandate in the New Testament NOW. Don't you think that Paul, Peter, James or John would have made some mention of it being a mandate if it were a heaven or hell issue? Some NTCCer answer will ya?????
You take care of your BIOLOGICAL family first because that is by far a greater responsibility (with no comparison) than lining the pockets of people like RWD, and Kekel. And all that was done so that someone like Grant can attend a Catholic College because make no mistake, Grant almost certainly wouldn't be there had he not attended Charles Wright Academy at the cost of approximately $20,000 per year (tithe payers cost) for four stinking years while he played football and basketball. He may have attended a local community college but he wouldn't be at a catholic college in St. Louis. The Kekels and RWD pulled a fast one on you and it should be plain as the nose on your face. The proof is the young man being at a CATHOLIC COLLEGE of all places. He could have gone to any college. He didn't have to go to the college of the "GREAT WHORE" as RWD taught for years. They called the Catholic Church the "GREAT WHORE" or have you forgot????? Have you forgot???? Would you send your kid off to be taught by the dog gone "GREAT WHORE" if that is what you believed???? I haven't lost my memory and I ain't no dummy and my memory is still quite active.
You married NTCC people have it all wrong. Family first and stinking NTCC second because your biological family is your responsibility. If it were me the NTCC wouldn't even be second. They wouldn't be anywhere in my life because the crooked organization wouldn't even exist if I had my way. Now get some of that and I'm being real and that ain't being mean spirited.
He may have been a "good dude" but Robert Briggs was a "misguided good dude" when he put the stinking NTCC before his family for years. As a result he got caught in a trap that wouldn't let go because when he found out that his life was short, no insurance company would give him life insurance because he was already too sick and that is the truth because he told me and I felt bad for him and I don't want to see anyone else wind up in the same or similar situation.
Forget the stinking NTCC and make sure you take care of your family because that is what Paul would have done which is precisely why he chose not to have a family. So either be a monk or take care of your family and either way, you can still have faith in Christ. I'M OUT.
CHIEF
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1 – 200 of 209 Newer› Newest»Thanks Chief, your are so right. The NTCC does not care at all about your family, just your money, all the time I was attending the Graham church never did I once feel, "wow, these people really care about me} do you know why? because they never really showed it. I knew if something happened to me as a wife, my husband might have gotten a "I am so sorry brother" but nothing more, and I am sure vice versa, if he had passed, I have left the Graham church and would never in a million years go back. I now see what I lost being a member of that church, women suffer so much more than men do, I now see that. Stripped, stripped of your job, looks, life and happiness. Yeah, right being a NTCC wife was just great right. Wrong, I was never so unhappy in my life, and my husband didn't even care or should I say, didn't even notice. Family is VERY important, they take care of the theirs {Kekel. Davis and so on} we need to take care of ours.
This is serious business chief.
I can't imagine waking up the following morning and have my husband gone. Not in a million years!
If I was by myself it wouldn't be so bad but with 2 kids! that is a different story altogether, and they are young kid!
Can't imagine!
I was thinking about it and the more I think, the more I get angry and sad because this mom and kids are left without.
Sure, you have the assurance that God is not gonna leave destitute and He is gonna open doors but still what about the monetary needs right now!
You can bring me all "nice" food and dishes and "home-made pies" and hug me and tell me "feeling your pain" hug, hug.
Even turn your head a little side ways ala tk, and look at me with sad eyes, but this is not gonna do nothing for me!
What about the debt my husband left, because he had to keep the church open and pay bills not only the churche's but the family's bills with school age children.
Keep your supper dishes, give me money!
Well said chief, it still hurts me today what my wife went through while in NTCC. She still reminds me from time to time, but now she's back in school (something she couldn't do in NTCC) and about to graduate with here degree in Nursing. We are a stronger better family out side of NTCC and when we left my oldest was only a year old so that's a blessing. PEOPLE TAKE CARE OF YOUR FAMILY FIRST!!!
Amen! You got that right!
http://www.zanderins.com/default.aspx
Someone posted the above URL that will take you to a life insurance company. Very fitting indeed and for the record I'm not the one who posted it.
I made a promise to Robert Briggs that I plan to keep. Very soon I plan to do a fund raiser for his wife and kids. We all make mistakes in life and God knows I've made my share. Sure the man could have put more of his finances toward his family and less toward the NTCC but I really believe that the man felt like he was doing the right thing and every now and then everyone needs some help and I made him a promise and I plan to keep it. All the details will be on the next thread on how you can give money, ANONYMOUSLY to his wife, to help her out during these difficult times.
This blog has been used to expose the NTCC for years now, and this time it's going to be used to help out a grieving woman and her two beautiful children who just lost their daddy. She is a widow and her children are fatherless and helping them is true religion according to the bible if it's in your heart to do so. So if you'd like, you can give a little money to help this woman and her children if it's in your heart to do so. In my opinion, you are no better or worse if you give or if you don't. It's a personal choice and I mean that.
I'm not going to say, "God will bless you for your giving" because the fact is he may very well NOT!!! I can't speak for God one way or the other. I'm not going to say that "If you give you will receive blessings" because you may very well NOT!!! You don't give because you expect blessings in return, you give for one reason and one reason only... Not because you were guilt tripped, not because you will be blessed, and not because you have to or because you expect something in return. You give because for whatever reason it's in your heart to help (in this case) a woman and her children who just lost their dad and they could use all the help they can get.
I will post all the details early next week on how you can give (only if you want to) when I get the details all worked out. According to my plan, no one will have any idea who gave and who didn't to include Mrs. Briggs and to include me.
Chief
Wow!! I just assumed he at least had life insurance! Of all the things ntcc teaches, you would think they would teach that, especially when they encourage ministers to be full time ministry. Ntcc "leaders" are worse than infidels because they don't take care of their own.
Thanks kekels for being so greedy. Thanks Olson for never having time. Thanks rwd for letting them have so much power over people's lives.
If u are in ntcc and don't have life insurance, let this be an awakening to you!!!! Don't put your last few dimes in ntcc to support their lavish lifestyles with thousand dollar outfits and mansions. Support your own family!!!! I am so glad we left ntcc before they sucked us dry of any opportunity. They sucked us dry alright, but we still have time to get back on track.
Mrs. Briggs, I pray for God's comfort during this time of grieving, and for His peace as we remember and celebrate the life of a great man!
Anonymous said...
Of all the things ntcc teaches, you would think they would teach that.
Chief said...
I'm confident that they make mention of it but they also know that most people can't afford life insurance because the NTCC sucks you dry by design. In the military, you are made to have life insurance. No ifs, ands, or buts. The military doesn't make it an option to allow their people to die without life insurance and that's because Government Military system was actually set up by real leaders who ACTUALLY CARE. All the NTCC leadership cares about is making the lifestyles of the ultra rich more lavish than it already is.
RW Davis the con artist is always throwing out hints on the next gun or watch or knife he like to have all along knowing good and well that his minions will take their last dollar to go out and purchase it for him. Davis and Kekel use people plain and simple. Why in the world has Kekel ever made it a practice to have church members come over to clean is stinkin house? Because he uses people!!! With Davis being so ultra rich, why would he even allow folks to buy him guns, knives, watches, CARS and such? Because he uses people and they are stupid enough to let him.
So as long as they can drive BMWs, and live in fat houses, put their kid through the greatest schools, they could care less if you have life insurance.
And I also said this before but it seemed to get overlooked.
Why couldn't ASHMORE go and heal Robert Briggs????? Let me ask again. Why couldn't ASHMORE go and heal Robert Briggs????? Let me ask again. Why couldn't ASHMORE go and heal Robert Briggs????? I'll tell you why: Because he is a Fake, Phony, Bogus, Counterfeit. If that dude wasn't fake, he would have going to Mr. Briggs, placed his hands upon him and Robert Briggs would have been healed but that didn't happen. If I was in church and Ashmore or all his other fake false prophets had someone come to the front of the church for healing, I'd tell them to "SIT DOWN"!!!! Bunch of fake nonsense. I'm not saying it can't happen but when it would really count in the NTCC is simply doesn't happen. So don't bring anyone up to the front because they have menstrual cramps or a dog gone HEADACHE!!! Ashmore is a fake!!!!!!!!!! Having people hold up their wallets in the air so they can get the miracle of "financial blessings". I watched Ashmore do the nonsense and now more than ever it makes me sick because when Robert Briggs needed a healing, the great Ashmore was nowhere to be found or he simply was ineffective because he is a phony!!!!!! NOW GET SOME OF THAT YOU NTCC SHENANIGAN PERPETRATORS.
He da Big Chief (who's actually not very big at all). Sounded cool anyway.
You mean to tell me that if all these men are such "Great Men Of God", none of them could bring healing to Robert Briggs? NONE OF THEM???? Where was R.W. Davis??? Where in the world was Kekel the self proclaimed "MAN OF GOD"? Where was Olson, Johnson, Ashmore, Jones, Wright? I'll tell you where! No where to be found because they are fake! I don't even want to hear about healing in the NTCC because it's phony!!! Where was Sister Kekel the false prophetess who is supposed to be kin to Miriam?
So none of them have a good enough relationship with God that they could help this man stay with his family for just ten more years till his children grew up? I'M TELLING IT LIKE IT IS. YOU ALL NTCCERS NEED TO WAKE UP. YOU BETTER GET LIFE INSURANCE AND A GOOD DOCTOR AND GOOD HEALTH INSURANCE BECAUSE IF YOU ARE WAITING ON ASHMORE, DAVIS, OLSON or any of the rest of them phony's to come give you a healing when the going gets REAL ROUGH you may want to consider Robert Briggs. I'll put my faith in God or the health care system but certainly not in Ashmore, or RWD the phony baloney fakes.
Stirred Up Chief
Now it's time to watch College Football. I won't be out wasting my time soul winning on Saturday for the NTCC money mongers. They already have too much money.
This is what Ashmore or Davis will say. All rehearsed of course. "It just wasn't Gods will to heal Brother Briggs". "God wanted to take Brother Briggs home".
I don't want to hear it. I'm tired of their hollow comments.
I was just surfing the pathetic always-under-construction NTCC web pages, and found something pretty funny. Their 404 (page not found) notice may be giving subliminal messages to the poor captives. Check it out:
http://myntcs.org/info
Leaving NTCC will solve the problem.
I hear you Vic. You are a deep thinker and I like that about you.
I thought that too the last time I saw that page. Isn't it ironic! That's really how they make people feel.
Kekel's blog is dead as always, and it seems he is afraid to answer questions...He just wants us to post good news on there. But when he posts something that is not good news and a question is asked about it, he does not know how to answer.
especially when it has nothing to do with his agenda...or will have the opposite effect.
It's ok, we see right through it
where are the Brill's? are they back in Graham?
I just looked at some of the old posts from RB (Briggs). He sounded like a man at peace with those on this blog who only wished him well.
What a blessing to read his words on this blog. Life always goes forward not backwards. Those who left NTCC long ago can thank the Lord they left with one sure thing: their mind.
Although cults try to steal your mind, God never does. He gives you a "sound one". God bless the memory of Briggs. I never knew him personally...
That's a great point Cha Chief. Ashmore and all of the other super spiritual board members must have been too busy entertaining themselves in their mansions to come down to Texas and pray for a man that gave 25 years of his life to them. Davis the Miracle magnet, should have been on the first plane to Texas when he found out Briggs had Cancer. He brought his daughter back, (I mean his adopted daughter), from near death by praying for her.
Jesus healed a lot of sick folks and passed that healing power down to the saints. For someone as spiritual as Davis, who has never missed God, and who does all things by the Holy Ghost, you would think that praying for God to do what He said he'd do would not be to tall of an order. The problem is that Davis is a phony and so is Ashmore and so are all of the rich rulers in Graham. They don't have time to leave their kingdom to visit a preacher who is ailing in Texas or Kentucky. Davis might make a guest appearance to speak at their funeral as he did with Tim Hasty, but don't put him on the spot and expect him to believe God for healing you if you have Cancer. Kekel couldn't heal a torn butterfly wing with a roll of duct tape, so don't bother calling him. If Ashmore, (the preaching machine), were for real, perhaps he could start a healing ministry. Rumor has it that his own wife is sick. Bro. Brill is scheduled for bypass surgery and someone said Tom Wright is not in good health. Of course all of this is just hearsay because the ntcc is so secretive about things that the only info you get is through the rumor mill. I'm not mocking any of these men personally, nor am I taking pleasure in their calamities. I'm just saying that for a bunch of church leaders that expect perfection out of their members, they should have enough faith to heal the sick.
These guys are a bunch of con artists and scammers that are only interested in one thing. Your money. Hello???? Wake up and secure your wallets, because these chippy cheat swindlers are so good at getting your money into their bank accounts that you might not even see them more than once or twice a year and your money is being spent by them right in front of your eyes. You think it's really going towards souls? Really? Wake up. Take a trip to Graham and visit the Bonco. You really wanna know where your money is going?
The problem is you trust people blindly, as we used to. If they told you that your money was going towards buying elephants in the Philippines to transport souls back and forth to church, you would want to buy an elephant and donate it to the ntcc. But because the same phony snake oil salesmen tell you that you don't need life insurance, your family will have nothing when you die. Go figure.
DnA
DnA said...
Kekel couldn't heal a torn butterfly wing with a roll of duct tape
Chief said...
ROFLOL. Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. That was a good one. Kekel couldn't heal a hang toe nail with a pair of pliers say no less a dude with cancer and neither can RWD or Ashmore. Phony Baloney. This kind of thing should really be an eyeopener. The NTCC is so fake it unbelievable.
Chief
DnA said...
Wake up and secure your wallets, because these chippy cheat swindlers are so good at getting your money into their bank accounts that you might not even see them more than once or twice a year and your money is being spent by them right in front of your eyes. You think it's really going towards souls?
Chief said...
ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hadn't even got to that part yet. I had forgot how funny this blogging could be sometimes.
Cha Chief, Cha Chief, Cha Chief, Chief, Chief.
They can't heal a torn butterfly wing with a role of duck tape but the whole church prays in tongues. Whatever on that one too. Sha be Sha bo Sha bah. Sha boom, sha bam, sha bookie. The only spiritual gift in the NTCC that exists and everyone can do it? Really? Whatever. They are a bunch of fakes.
Cha Chief
hahaha!!! so true!
RIP REV Briggs, Bro Johnson
Double D said:
Those who left NTCC long ago can thank the Lord they left with one sure thing: their mind.
Double Ugh said:
"hahaha!!! so true!"
Double Trouble said:
I think we needs to have an X-er church service and take up an offering for Brotha Jeff.
Brotha Jeff can open up a savings account and at the end of da yeer we can all get togetha and have an un-fellowship meetin down in Gawgia. If we have enuf of dem meetins we can awl save up and rent an areo plane (with a screen door) and fly out west and take a tour of da facilities up dar in Graham.
Amen to tacking care of your family! Prior to my next deployment, I made sure that I moved my family into a NEW apartment, had a backup NEW Car (2011 sounds pretty new, NOT 1811 ha ha), Enrolled my kids into a NEW School and even got my wife to attend College with a Pell GRANT. Anything less would be uncivilized, not not mention being worse than an infindel. Grant going to HAIL MARY school? That is the equivilant of having someone from the school of the prophets attend Belial University!!!!
Oh this is Brother Johnson...Hi, ALL!!!!
Make sure you check Don and Anges blog because the threads have been good. If you haven't gone there the link is to the right of this blog.
Hello Yourself Bro. Johnson, and see if you like it! =D
RG3 7 for 7n1st Qtr w/1 TD. Has that ever been done by a rookie QB before?
RG3 is the man. At least today he was. Andrew Luck didn't look good. The Jets looked great. Tebow was a running back. He ran for a few yards last time I checked. The Pats looked good. Real good. Congrats MDR on that one. Lot of season left. Later.
RWD is still a crook who can't even pull a rabbit out of a hat say no less perform a healing. Y'all NTCCers are being played with all that mumbo jumbo hocus pocus. As long as your NTCC pastor has a bunch of Tylenol you can go to an NTCC alter with a headache but you can forget about it if you have cancer. Ashmore and RWD the tricksters probably won't show up and if they do, you'll be more sick than you were before you came. That's right, I'm making a mockery out of those phony baloney tricksters. Wake up.
They are experts at one trick; getting money out of your bank account and into theirs. They'll pull that miracle of every time. Ha, ha.
Chief
I think a question that needs to be asked and answered is..."Where does an infidel go?"
Gregory
I'm going nuts here Chief. Peyton is executing like a well oiled machine while Ben is doing what he does best. Could go either way. Wow, a real nail biter.
Awesome game. Denver wins.
Anon said "This is what Ashmore or Davis will say. All rehearsed of course. "It just wasn't Gods will to heal Brother Briggs". "God wanted to take Brother Briggs home."
But if Jeff or Larda** gets cancer, it's the judgment of God, right?
Don said "Awesome game. Denver wins"
Peyton looked great. I'am glad for the Denver Broncos, I hope they have a great season. That is, of course, until they meet the Pats...who BTW looked fantastic on both sides of the ball today. Here come the New England Patriots!
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought R. Briggs said on this blog about a year ago that he had made provision and his family was going to be taken care of if his cancer was not healed and he passed away.
Thanks Matt. Week 5 Denver will play the Pats in Gillette Stadium. Should be a great game. I will be graceful about it when Denver wins. jk, the Patriots looked very good, especially on D. If you give Brady a good Defense, it's almost impossible to beat him.
The jets looked good Chief. Not sure if I'd be ready to proclaim them Super Bowl contenders yet. They need to prove themselves against a team that is a little better than Buffalo. Sanchez looked good but I think he is going to follow in the footsteps of Testaverde and prove to be a disappointment in the tough games. They did play some good football yesterday though.
What can I say about Peyton? The dude continued where he left off and actually looked as good as he's ever looked against a team that played hard on both O and D. This season looks to be an exciting one.
DnA
The Broncos are lucky to have Peyton Manning. The rest of the AFC can adjust accordingly. (A quote from NFL.com.) Good luck.
No one can heal except God only, it may have
been his time to go home to be with the Lord.
Why would anyone criticize someone for a
persons death?
Anonymous said...
No one can heal except God only, it may have been his time to go home to be with the Lord. Why would anyone criticize someone for a
persons death?
DnA said:
I agree with your statement about God being the only one that can heal someone. I also have given much thought to what's been said on this blog by myself and others about the inability of Ashmore and Davis to pray for God's healing in Briggs or Hasty's lives. The reason it's an issue at all is because these self proclaimed Apostles, (Davis and Ashmore) are living high on the hog off of other peoples tithe money and they are requiring others to live a life of sacrifice and perfection while they live contrary to the life that Jesus lived and the example that Jesus lived.
I'm not sure that everyone is meant to be healed or if there is anyone spiritual enough to accomplish this task. I know that the ntcc is full of a bunch of fake hypocrites that are so money hungry that they couldn't recognize a real miracle if they saw one. Their own words that they are so fond of quoting to everyone else is that, "God can not bless sin". How can God bless a bunch of con artists? If they were truly in this for the love of souls, they would be compassionate and show true charity to those they call brethren.
As for criticizing someone for another persons death, you are wrong about that. Nobody here is criticizing the deceased. Nobody is even using this unfortunate death to criticize anyone else. Davis and Ashmore and others in the organization have brought this upon themselves. They set the standards and they preach hell and damnation to all that contradict them. They say that God will not bless sin. They say that your lack of faith is the reason God won't heal. They get up behind the pulpit and mock and ridicule folks for the very things that they are guilty of. They hide their sins while exposing others. This is called hypocrisy and it's the ntcc way.
DnA
Anonymous said...
it may have
been his time to go home to be with the Lord...
May have been?
This whole situation reminds me of Rev Espinozas widow, where did she end up when he died suddenly, WORKING AT WALMART. Well, she is a single lady after all, now it's ok to work. This situation sickened me. I remember kekel saying over the pulpit, [some 6 years ago} "i's not the NTCC's responsibility to take care of a ministers family if they pass away". WHAT, this is one of your ministers, you cold hearted, cheap, money grubbing, greedy men of GAWD. Spare me, I get ill thinking about this group I was with for some 16 years.......
So, Rev Ashmore is the standing faith healer in this church? I don't remember that, why? because he supposedly had charisma? So what. Faith healing by a minister seems very far fetched, I wish I had seen that during a service, claiming he had healed someone, I would have left back then. I don't believe in that stuff. Only God can heal in my opinion.
1Cor 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues
Come on y'all. Healing is a gift. Sure God is the one who does it but it is a gift and you better believe I'm faulting those NTCC phonies and here is why. Time and time again guys like Ashmore would show up to a revival service talking about being healed and coming up the the front for miracles. Now I witnessed it myself so I'm not dreaming this stuff up.
So time and time again Ashmore comes into a town and says that it's time for people to come up front for another healing and that is a FACT. I saw Mayers do it, Olson, back in the day Taylor, RWD talked about it but then low and behold someone has real legitimate cancer and these super spiritual healers are no where to be found. REALLY??? So they have faith to do a healing time and time again but all of a sudden someone is genuinely screwed up and all of a sudden they can't heal anyone any longer? Really? Phonies, fakes and false prophets. If you can heal everyone under the sun (of headaches for example) then why can you heal someone of cancer? I'll tell you why because they are fake and I'm not one bit double minded on this one.
If God give you the gift of healing, it doesn't run dry the minute someone has cancer or your God is a whole lot weaker than the one I read about in the Bible. What, It's just his time to go? If Paul or Peter or Jesus didn't come around to do a healing it was just all those people who they healed time to go.
What about this scripture. Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
What part of the word "Shall" doesn't make sense? It didn't say they might recover, it said they shall recover. Oh there is plenty speaking with new tongues but what about plenty of laying of hands so that the "SICK SHALL RECOVER"? I'll tell you, FAKE, Phoney unless someone has a headache and they say their headache went away and that was a great healing. Phoney. Ashmore is Phoney and so is Davis. The NTCC is supposed to be "full" of men of God but not one healer but everybody is praying in tongues? Buddy, I'm not double minded on this one. FAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anonymous asked...
Why would anyone criticize someone for a
persons death?
Chief said...
I'm not. I'm criticizing them for having some so called healing service after healing service after healing service after healing service and then suddenly someone like Pastor Briggs gets the real deal cancer and the healings all coincidentally stop? Really? I must have stupid written all across my forehead. So what? Ashmore can heal just about every other sickness on the planet but cancer? Sure he can. He can heal a headache, monthly women cramps, and upset stomach. Where was he at for the real healings like folks dieing from cancer? I mean am I way out there or am I on the money and many of these folks are just that stupid? Well I'm not way out there.
Phoney Baloney and there you have it and I'm calling it like I see it.
Chief
In a way I'm glad briggs didn't leave the org. when he wanted.
He posted in his blog about this and for some reason didn't.
Don't remember who or what stopped him from leaving but like I said I'm glad he didn't leave because I can't imagine the stuff that would have been said about him.
"you see, he left and now he is dead"
Well, he didn't leave but God decided for him and now he is not bound by any men!
I remember all of the stories that were told by Davis,Olson, and others about those in St.Louis who opposed RWD in the beginning days. We were told about the lady who got run over by a truck while changing her tire on the interstate and the others who died of cancer...as if God went on a killing spree to avenge his last great spokesman here on the earth. Pa-leeze!! Well, if we are to believe those stories, I ask the question, what is going on inside of the NTCC????
I believe that "poop" happens to the just and the unjust. For Davis to get up and declare any differently is an egregious error in judgment, not to mention outrageously stupid!
Davis takes pride in saying God would do that for him, but that's the God of the law (the only God he knows)and not grace and love. His mercies are new every morning and He is full of compassion and grace to both the just and unjust.
MDR said...
as if God went on a killing spree to avenge his last great spokesman here on the earth
Chief said...
I'll be real bold here for a moment to show others that RWD is not the man of God as they suppose. HE IS A CON ARTIST CROOK. I guess I get a bi on that one because R.W. Davis is a double standard, conniving, money hungry, trickster with a history of hypocrisy. And I've been saying that for years and no MAC trucks yet. If I got hit by a truck today, I've been on an RWD/Kekel/Olson bashing spree for the better part of 5 years now and I'm not tired yet.
It is what it is. RWD is no more than a con artist who gives his family a break on the rules and he gives them preferential treatment. No more, no less. Kekel/Olson? Men of God? Are you kidding me? Those two are as phony as they get. What else can I call them? Horribly poor leaders? Users? Abusers? Inconsiderate? Menaces to society? Can you think of any more appropriate descriptions of those "CLOWNS".
DUDE, I got no respect for them and I haven't for years and I've been saying it openly. RWD is a crook and I'd tell him to his face and I'd also tell his pastors with no problem.
Chief
Anonymous said...
In a way I'm glad briggs didn't leave the org.
Chief said...
I don't know. Yeah, the NTCC would have spun it, that's for sure but frankly, who cares what people in the NTCC think anyway. I certainly don't. That's the most important step in the process of leaving the NTCC. Not caring what they think or say about you. When I made up my mind to leave the NTCC, I didn't care what they said or thought. I knew they were crooked and fake and at that point, I had enough evidence to prove it and most of all, there was no doubt left in my mind.
So many people who leave the NTCC spend time questioning themselves. My decision to leave had nothing to do with me wanting or not wanting to serve the Lord. I simply wasn't willing to follow or listen to a bunch of leaders who I knew were hypocrites, fake, phony, greedy money mongers and worst of all, some seriously poor leaders. I mean Oberhauser had no business leading anyone because frankly, from a leadership standpoint, he didn't have a clue. Hunt, who I had actually liked a lot, was seriously misguided and too often very mixed up. Mayers was just a control monger who could be very abusive, totally misguided, and an over the board authoritarian. Just about every pastor I came in contact in those days were very poor leaders. All the ones at Birmingham one right after another were poor and the Macon pastors had issues. Down in Dothan, Solomon was nice guy for certain, but he had way too many problems on his hands to be very effective. During those days Barnes and Denis where considered NTCC prodigies and both of them wound up leaving the NTCC and taking a bunch of people with them.
Man the NTCC is a mess. Truthfully, the only things in the NTCC that are not a mess are the bank accounts belonging to a few select individuals and the NTCCs real-estate portfolio. The NTCC is very dysfunctional with key leaders leaving all the time. Now that I know the scriptures better, the NTCC to me has become a real joke. Keepers at home means that a woman should keep her house clean and orderly, so the NTCC got that one all wrong. Women not wearing that which pertaineth to a man means that a women should not wears a strong man's or a warriors battle gear, so the NTCC got that one all wrong also. Look it up if you don't believe me. It's actually pretty plain if you study the scripture for yourself with an open mind.
So you are saying that women can work or wear pants?
The prohibitions against women wearing pants and working are mere NTCC control mechanisms with no justification in the bible. They just love to keep women down. I'm surprised they don't sing "Under My Thumb" as much as "I'll Fly Away" during song service.
Yes, that is what he is saying....
For the life of me where is common sense when you are a minister in the ntcc.
It seemed that if it doesn't come right from the horses mouth, then the pastors won't do it.
Maybe now they'll tell the ministers that in order to be a minister in the ntcc, they'll have to have life insurance, who knows.
I remember all the books that the ministers would read and some were about how to be all you can be or stuff that would make you successful in the ministry or your finances, but if you don't have money in the first place because you are going from job to job, city to city with the notion of "building" a church, because that is the great commission that Jesus left to the disciples, you sure aren't gonna have any money to put aside in the event you get sick and die, like briggs did.
Reading a book that gives you advice like a rich dad would, doesn't do any good to a widow with school age children.
I hope the ministers in the ntcc learn from this sad story.
Anonymous asked...
So you are saying that women can work or wear pants?
Chief said...
What I'm saying is that the Bible "doesn't" say anywhere that women "can't" work or wear pants. The NTCC leadership has misinterpreted the two and only two scriptures they use to justify that stance.
Like I said many many times; keepers at home means to be a good house keeper or to keep your house clean and orderly. It absolutely doesn't mean that a woman can't work outside the home. LOOK IT UP.
Women not wearing that which pertaineth to a man means that a women should not wear a strong man's or a warrior's battle gear. Just look it up. I'm not making this up. That is what it means in Hebrew. I've studied the topic extensively and all logic and all proper interpretation of the Hebrew words clearly indicate as such. So therefor I can clearly conclude that the NTCC leadership has both scriptures very wrong. And even if they were right, (which they are not) pants didn't even exist during those times and there are clearly women's pants that are nowhere near the same as men's pants. And why does that make perfect sense? Because during the time that scripture was written, men and women both wore a dress like garment because pants didn't even yet exist based on ALL know information on the subject of clothing that was worn during that time. Men and women both wore a dress like garment but the style was different and I have an archeological supplement with pictures that verify that. So according to the NTCCs logic, if men and women are not supposed to dress the same but they both wore a different style of a "DRESS" during the time that Deu 22:5 was written, then what is wrong with them simply wearing a different style of pants which didn't even exist at that time even if the scripture meant that a woman wasn't supposed to wear mans "clothing" which it doesn't. Again, it means that a woman is not supposed to wear battle gear that is worn by a warrior or strong man.
So the NTCC is jacked on that one for sure no matter how you look at it. RWD is just a chauvinist pig. No MAC Trucks in sight.
I wonder how many people actually attend the Graham church these days, it would be interesting to find out, now that they have one service on Sunday, that should give someone a good gauge of how many actually attend regularly. I have been gone over a year but I remember the numbers where really dwindling, the only new people they seemed to have before I left where the new Bible school students and their wives if the had one. That's it. New members, no, very rare. Without the bible school and the die hard ministers with no brains, then that place would be a ghost town. {Graham} I am telling you. Too bad I was one of them for so many years.
Chief, I remember being preached over the pulpit in Graham, pants are LASCIVIOUS, they never brought up that which pertaineth to a man. Lascivious. That was all they could come up with, and the cutting of hair, well Davis's wife told me its a sin for a woman to cut her hair, "it's in the bible" she told me. Yeah, ok, thanks for nothing.....just as good as "go pray about it" another of their token lines....
that's a new one, no service on sunday night?
I don't know if this is true but, oh well, whatever.
I've heard that rwd is sick, they announced it at the memorial service for briggs, that is why he didn't attend.
Maybe the members of this pasadena church would get together and ask the org. for the escrow money, it is after all money from the tithe the pastor receives. Money these members gave as tithe to the pastor.
Rev. briggs was the one to get that church started and apparently he did pretty good, rounding up good people, so it is fair to ask for the escrow to help his wife and kids.
I think that is very fair to let the Briggs family have the escrow money. Again, I will be setting up an account for Robert Briggs family. I've been so busy so far this week that I actually haven't had time to spend at the bank so I could make all the arrangements. I was on leave last week so this week has been uncommonly busy.
Chief
RW's sick all right.
Anonymous said...
Chief, I remember being preached over the pulpit in Graham, pants are LASCIVIOUS
Chief said...
So I guess that means the tight football pants the Kekel's son wore during high school were lascivious also. Makes sense to me but wait; lasciviousness doesn't apply to the Kekels because they are kin to RWD. Tight dresses on Tanya, shorts worn by Kekel's son to play basketball, tight football pants worn by the Kekels son to play football. None of that is lascivious but let someone else try that over the last 40 years and I'll guarantee it would have been lascivious. I heard it too many times preached for anyone to even attempt to tell me otherwise. The Kekels just changed the rules and RWD sat idly by and watched contently because they were "HIS" family and it was never about holiness anyway. It was about control, and money and once he got enough of that he didn't care what his own family did.
The NTCC is a joke and RWD, Kekel, and Olson are anything but "men of God" and thats why no Mack trucks have come my way. Calling someone a hypocrite and a fake is ok if they really are and RWD certainly falls in both categories and so does Ashmore, Kekel and Olson. I know too much about all of them for someone to convince me otherwise. I've know a lot of people who've known them all throughout the years and the people I know ain't all lying. So take it to the bank. These guys are nothing but con artists and they are certainly not "men of God".
Chief
The wigs that Verna wore sometimes were too long. She would trim the ends of the wig if it was too long. If you're going to wear something and portray it as your own, then why would you cut the hair? Just saying.
As usual, double standard. Silly Rabbit, didn't you know the Bible says you can't cut your own hair but you can cut your own hair if it's fake? You must have missed that part.
Burdens, grievous to be borne. Mat 23:4. For an open minded person, this one shouldn't be too hard to understand.
For a brainwashed hypocrite, it's impossible to understand.
When I said one Sunday service, I meant one morning service, there use to be two morning services on Sundays, now there is only one, there is surely still a Sunday evening service, just sayin....
Thanks for the clarification.
Living Free wrote..."She would trim the ends of the wig if it was too long."
Is there no end to the Cult's hypocrisy? Sick.
You would think that after 8 years of internet revelation no new stuff about the Cult could be shared.
Gregory
I am sure we can come up with more hypocrisy, it really is never ending, and regarding the wig trimming, I would think Verna could justify it because it really isn't her own hair, so she can cut it as she would like right? Ridiculous. Oh, and don't think for a minute that Tanya did not trim her hair, it was the same length for YEARS and then she seemed to "grow it out" all the while having all these women in the Graham church with hair down to their backsides. Then they could say they where real Christian women, as if the length of your hair makes it so....
"You would think that after 8 years of internet revelation no new stuff about the Cult could be shared."
One would think that, but coming on these blogs often stirs dormant memories of past outrages that were temporarily forgotten (probably as a psychological coping mechanism). It's like an artesian sewer; there's no end to the abuses visited on the saints by these corrupt "leaders." No doubt a new crop is gathering shocking stories to share in years to come.
One of the many false doctrines of rw davis and ntcc is that christians who are living right (translation is working their way to heaven) are happy happy happy, always have the victory, God will take care of every little thing, don't you worry because you are exempt from things like what happened to pastors t hasty and r briggs. The gospel of ntcc treats life like a fairy tale, no real application other than working for the church and everything will be taken care of for you if you trust God. Yes, trust God, but it's still necessary to face life with your eyes wide open and prepare for the inevitable while you're still young and strong enough to do so.
Give your money to the NTCC and you won't have it, save your money, work on a steady job or own a reliable business and you will. The NTCC leadership says, "give your money to us and you'll be financially blessed" and I say "save your money and don't give it to the NTCC and you'll be financially blessed".
I can prove they are wrong and I'm not saying God can't bless you. I just don't equate giving your money to RWD and the NTCC to giving your money to God. God is good, RWD is a con artist.
Everyone I know who's left the NTCC is financially better off than when they were in the NTCC. So explain that one? If you want to give your money away, you'd be a whole lot better off helping the needy vs giving it to the ultra rich because that's what it boils down to in the NTCC because Davis and Kekel have control of it all.
Anonymous said...
Yes, trust God, but it's still necessary to face life with your eyes wide open and prepare for the inevitable while you're still young and strong enough to do so.
Chief said...
Exactly. For what it's worth coming from me, great post.
Chief
I just realized what I've been doing here for the last 3-4 years. Imagine that. The NTCC leadership is relentless at the task of programming their converts to blindly follow their every whim. I'm "somewhat" relentless at the task of deprogramming NTCCers so they can hopefully realize that they've been hoodwinked and conned by the NTCC leadership. I'm not trying to get your money but you can best believe that the NTCC is, and they want as much as they can get.
What do I have to gain? What do you have to lose if I'm right? Your entire lives? How many more are you going to get? Should you blindly follow anyone in this life? Christ warned that many shall be deceived.
Chief, I remember some time ago you said you where done with this blog, I was disappointed to see that you wanted to get out of this blogging stuff, but as you can see, it is still needed, I have been gone over a year, moved far far away, and I still need to come out here and get perspective after being involved in that cult for so long. Deprogramming takes time and to stop thinking the NTCC way is very slow and hard to do. PTSD is something that can happen to people after they leave a cult, I remember reading that some people felt that is what they where suffering from after leaving this church, I surely believe it now. I think it pertains to anyone who has underwent great stress as a result of a situation or event in their life. In some way we probably all went through it, but some where more able to deal with it than others. Just my opinion so please don't go off on a tangent here people. The NTCC has in many ways affected me greatly, to this day.
Escaping NTCC or any other controller is difficult and traumatic. Ask any battered woman. The dynamic is the same, and it's not like people can just shrug off the profound dysfunction that was visited on their lives. It takes time and effort to understand and integrate psychically damaging experiences like these into our lives, and scars will remain. But it's like quitting smoking--the minute you stop, the healing begins, and it's never too late. It's grievous to see people beaten down and struggling year after year under the inhuman burdens NTCC has imposed upon them.
Escape now! As Chief has observed, leaving the org is beneficial to all who do so, on many levels. This is certainly true with regard to finances, but more important are the physical, spiritual, and psychological advantages. If leaving is such a big mistake, how come no one who does so wants to return? Oh, every once in awhile a dog will return to its vomit, or a sow to her wallowing in the mud, but in general, those who are delivered from the taskmaster and taste sweet liberty would never return to bondage.
I just recalled that Bro CL Barnes worked with RW Davis in the Philippines- he was killed in an auto accident... had no life insurance- back then seen as unbelief to have insurance- (CRAZY, HUH?)anyway his wife was left penniless - we all heard about this back in the 1970's as NTCC was getting off the ground.
But who cared we were all young, impressionable and assumed that the borg would be there for us! It ends up that "when father and mother forsake me.. and the borg forsakes me- then the LORD will take me up..." the Lord will take us by the hand and say- now let's go and get some good term life insurance!
chief,how are you gonna give to sis briggs or how are you gonna set the fund up.
I was just thinking about it and for sure all the gifts and money she is getting she is paying tithe to the org. because I assume she is still part of the org.
I'm still giving, don't get me wrong but it is quite ironic because you have said that you wont give one dime to ntcc yet you are gonna in a way give to ntcc because she will have to pay tithe to the org.
Let me get this straight, it was seen as disbelief to buy life insurance, are you serious???? Now, I bet they tell folks to get insurance because as we all know, if your spouse dies, they aren't going to help you at all. Nadda. So they would rather you have insurance so that this kind of thing won't be discussed as in Briggs dyeing and have no life insurance and. I remember hearing over the pulpit in Graham, it's up to the spouse to get insurance and not the org. So I guess they changed their tune on that. I also remember Kekel saying over the pulpit, why is it the Organization's responsibility to take care of the widows? I thought, man this guy is cold. Cold Cold. I should have left then.
Anonymous asked...
I'm still giving, don't get me wrong but it is quite ironic because you have said that you wont give one dime to ntcc yet you are gonna in a way give to ntcc because she will have to pay tithe to the org.
Chief said...
You know that is a very, very good question and one that I've also personally toiled over for quite some time, (since Mr. Briggs was diagnosed with cancer). Here is my conclusion. I gave the man my word. That means a lot to me and if my word results in the NTCC/Kekel the con artist getting tithe off the fund raiser, then that's up to Mrs. Briggs and I wont ever know because I don't plan to ask her. What I'm not going to do is coordinate a fund raiser with strings attached. I hope she doesn't give a penny of it to the NTCC but that is her call not mine because like I said, I will not raise money for her and the kids with any strings attached. Heck, she could blow it on something and it could be gone anyway so whats the difference? I couldn't and wouldn't attempt to mandate what she spent it on anyway so that's her call and I don't want to know about it one way or the other.
If she pays tithe on every dime that comes to her, the only portion that would directly affect me anyway would be the portion I give assuming I elect to give at all because it's my business and my business only whether I do or don't. If I did give, I certainly wouldn't be doing it to receive any recognition from anyone to include Mrs Briggs. I'd be giving to help, plain and simple.
Now having said all that, outside of this situation and this situation only, (even though I could be wrong) I can't see any other possible situation where one single penny of my money could wind up in NTCC pockets. The bottom line is I told her husband I was going to do something when that man was rapidly dieing and I'm going to keep my word because that's more important to me than whether or not a few of my dollars wind up in NTCC hands.
There you have it.
Chief
To anonymous 6:27 pm Sept. 13th:
Jeff Collins has made as much as a vow to take up an offering for the Sister & her children. Are you so heartless as to complicate things by wondering if she is going to pay tithe to NTCC on the processes of this benevolence fund?
All you will end up doing is discouraging people from giving, which at the end of the day is what really needs to be done.
"6:27" how much are you going to give? Of is the tithe issue just a cop- out to sooth your conscience?
I personally think Jeff, and Greg, and Vic, and Johnson, and others who talk a out how blessed you are since leaving should at least put your money where your mouth is and come up with about $25,000- to help Sister Briggs get on her feet and help her start this very difficult time with the peace of mind knowing she has a little $$$ in the bank.
If all you are going to do is talk about.what the org shoul or shouldn't do - then you are no better then them.
And on the tithe issue if you are so worried about if take 10% and pay tithe to some worthy Christian cause and tell the Sisiter the tithe has been paid already.
Peace
This last comment, is full of typo's and mistakes it is hard to understand what this person is trying to say. Why should Jeff and others come up with 25 000 to give to Mrs Briggs, come on, if anyone should be doing that it is Davis and his ilk, get real anonymous. Why make such a stupid comment here. Think please, before you come out here....
Anonymous said...
I personally think Jeff, and Greg, and Vic, and Johnson, and others who talk a out how blessed you are since leaving should at least put your money where your mouth is and come up with about $25,000- to help Sister Briggs get on her feet and help her start this very difficult time with the peace of mind knowing she has a little $$$ in the bank.
If all you are going to do is talk about what the org should or shouldn't do - then you are no better then them.
And on the tithe issue if you are so worried about if take 10% and pay tithe to some worthy Christian cause and tell the Sister the tithe has been paid already.
Chief said...
You started out good until you got to the part that I cut and pasted. Are you out of your ever loving mind or are you one of those NTCC tricksters trying to get into my mind? I'm a whole lot smarter than that!!! $25,000? You must be smoking crack? Me, paying tithe to some church so she wouldn't have to pay tithe when you can't even remotely prove that tithing is even a requirement during the dispensation of grace? You must be out of your dog gone mind!!! I'm blessed because I stopped giving away money to the likes of $25,000. I want to help the good lady and her kids but I'm being real, I got kids of my own to take care of so you are smoking crack if you think me and 3 other people are coughing up 25Gs. Put my money where my mouth is? I'll put my money where my mouth is. Read this title of this thread STUPID!!! "Take care of your family and stop being stupid" and splitting a $25,000 donation 4 ways when I got a wife and kids is being stupid? You must think I'm all "Willy Nilly". Look up the definition.
What I cut and pasted must be the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen written on this blog without exception.
Not only that, I may be blessed but the huge difference between me and the org and the money we both have is I actually earn mine; it's not just given to me by a bunch of suckers just because I run my mouth across a pulpit bloviating 5 times a week spewing out a bunch of stupid man made rules and control monger mandates.
Enough on that. WOW!!!!!
Chief
Holy Guacamole Batman!!!! I've heard it all now. I can go to the promised land tonight because I've seen it all and I've "heard it all" now. What else is left? Triple WOW!!! There is no way that person was serious. That statement had to be posted just to stir up a mess.
Chief
Jeff Collins has made as much as a vow to take up an offering for the Sister & her children. Are you so heartless as to complicate things by wondering if she is going to pay tithe to NTCC on the processes of this benevolence fund?
Yeah heartless anon! Stop supporting terrorists by filling up at the pump!
"I personally think Jeff, and Greg, and Vic, and Johnson, and others who talk a out how blessed you are since leaving should at least put your money where your mouth is and come up with about $25,000- to help Sister Briggs get on her feet and help her start this very difficult time with the peace of mind knowing she has a little $$$ in the bank."
I think anon was referring to everyone who reads this blog to pitch in too.
There aren't many people who even post on this blog. Vic, Greg and myself write about how blessed we are on this blog. There are hundreds of others who are doing good but not may others who write about it on this blog. And even if there was 25 of us, we are all supposed to kick in $1000 a piece? The point is, the figure given was $25,000 and that is presumptuously ridiculous.
Here, I got a better idea. Why doesn't Anon kick in $25,000 if Anon thinks that is such a great idea. Who knows, my fund raising method may raise that much or more or less but it won't be coming from the few financially stable people who post on this blog I would strongly suspect. $25,000 to Davis and Kekel is a drop in the bucket so maybe they should kick in that much? I never claimed to be a multi millionaire like those guys.
Anonymous,
I don't have to come up with anything. I could very easily send Sister Briggs a check for $25,000.
But, I have my own family to take care of.
The only reason I now have money is because I am not in the Cult anymore...and I have only been 'out' about 4 years.
If Pastor Briggs wanted his family to have money, he should have left 2 years ago like he had planned. He could even have gone back into the military like I did, and his wife would now have over $500,000 cash.
Also (as I have shared before), I don't think anyone should ever give anyone in the Cult money--no matter what the circumstances--as this will only allow them to stay involved longer, thus not really helping them at all.
I will not be chipping into the offering for Sister Briggs, as long as she is still in the Cult.
Gregory
Here is the bottom line and this is the last I have to say about this. The fund raiser that I'm planning will not disclose any figures what so ever once money has been raised!!! The only one who will ever know will be Mrs. Briggs and she won't even know who has given what. So if you plan of being recognized for your giving, this will be the entirely wrong fund raiser for you. I'll explain the details when they are all set up and I'm getting there. Later.
Chief, don't even try to wast your time with this anonymous person, he is getting on my last nerve. Let this one go. In no way shape or form would any of us expect the four of you to come up with that kind of money. Not ever, and of course, we know Kekel and Davis won't either, they are heartless, like I said before, the husband is suppose to ensure their wives will be taken care of if they pass right? The org feels that they are not responsible. PERIOD.
Gregory wrote...
Also (as I have shared before), I don't think anyone should ever give anyone in the Cult money--no matter what the circumstances--as this will only allow them to stay involved longer, thus not really helping them at all.
Chief said...
I totally understand your point Greg but if there is one thing I have, that's my word and that means something to me. I told Robert Briggs that I'd help out if he died and he didn't ask me, I offered. Right or wrong my word is important to me so I'll be keeping it but I totally understand your point Greg. If I had my way, everyone alive would depart the NTCC and never follow Kekel, Davis, Olson or Denis ever again no matter what they called their church. Obviously that includes Mrs. Briggs. But like I said, the fund raiser I'm coordinating will not be conditional. Who knows, the lady may have already left the NTCC but I'll never know because I don't plan to ask her. I'm helping because it's in my heart to do so and because I told Robert Briggs that I planned to do it.
No matter how much I can't stand the NTCC which is quite a bit, I hate that his children are fatherless and it's in my heart to help. I wish Mr. Briggs had left the NTCC years ago as well but he didn't and we all make mistakes. Lord knows I've made my share. Again, having said all that Greg, I totally understand your point and I understand exactly why you wrote it.
Later man I'm glad you are doing good. Say hi to Deb if you would please.
Chief,
Right, I already get it. People should give if they want to. We are free to do as we please now.
You have to do what you think is right. I just don't agree, but who cares, we are still friends.
Deb reads your Blog so she will see your greeting.
Later,
Gregory
Greg wrote...
You have to do what you think is right. I just don't agree, but who cares, we are still friends.
Chief wrote...
And there you have it. Notice I didn't write, "If you don't agree, there is the door". I don't guess the NTCC leadership is saying too much of that these days. All they are probably saying is "As long as they pay tithe, they are welcome". That's basically how it was anyway. Control just used to mean as much and it may very well still be that way, (to a degree).
Chief
THE ARMOUR OF RWD
1. Having your loins girt about with twisted scripture. (Works better than the truth when you are after their money.)
2. The breastplate of unrighteousness. (Protects the heartless from their own preaching and conviction).
3. Having your feet shod with the preparation of Gossip. (Prepareth the borg leaders for any questions tha ariseth from remaining cult members about the departure of a faithful brother or sister. I,E. " They were watching porn" even though they didn't have a modem, or "They just wanted the world").
4. The shield of false doctrine. (Whereby they may quench all of the fiery darts of the X-ers).
5. The helmet of sal-i-vation, (comes with a spiritual visor, which is seldom used in the ntcc}. Thy helmet will protect thee from salivating when a good looking sister shows up to bible school. This amour doesnt seem to protect board members very well.
Praying always that you will not be exposed for the fraudulent con artists that you are, and that law enforcement hauleth you not away to the federal penitentary.
And when you've done all you can do, stand in defiance of all the people who have got you wher you are today and you have conned out of their futures. After all, it's only illegal if you get caught.
LOLROTFLOL!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!
All this brought something to mind that happened years ago.
I think it was when blumenthal was around and they were collecting money to buy rwd a gift.
As I recall they presented the gift in a conference there in st. louis, and maybe I'm wrong but
olson presented the gift and said that the 10% was already taken out so the recipient of the gift didn't have to worry about it.
To me is seems that "peace's" comments was trying to stirr up some stuff up about you all pitching in 25 grand since you all are always saying that God has blessed you so much now that you are away from the ntcc.
I think you chief, are gonna keep your word because you gave it to a dying man and whoever wants to participate that's their problem.
Like truman said: the buck stops here with chief and he should delete any more comments about the subject.
Just my two mites.
Here is what I think, for what its worth. Folks should lighten up a bit. We are not in the ntcc any more. Everything does not have to be so dogmatic or cut and dry. A man's word is important but we should be allowed a little bit of space to change our minds from time to time. Circumstances sometimes dictate the need for exceptions. The ntcc critical way of thinking keeps people from being human and amplifies mistakes. Any deviation from the norm has severe consequences. I am over trying to tell others how to think, act or live. The ntcc provides us with great examples of what we should avoid.
I'm sticking my tongue out at you! :-p … So what're you gonna do about it?
I don't know. There are always two sides. I talked to Don this morning and we feel that it's good for people to be able to voice their opinion regardless of their stance. I really try to be somewhat understanding unless someone gets too stupid or starts preaching at me and that's where the delete button comes in. As long as I moderate this blog, I reserve that right and it is what it is. Now if folks want to give me 10% of their gross income, they can write whatever they want and I won't delete a thing. LOL. For the right price, I'll sell Kekel this blog and he can delete everything. LOL.
Someone can jump on me all they want but their approach better be logical and thought out or it brings no value to this blog and it's out of here. So there you have it; no big deal.
I'm going to rip your tongue out with a pair of pliers. Not really. Ha, ha.
LOL! :D That's a pic of me laughing with no tongue!
Kekel should take that deal. Whatever price you name would cost less than what happens when people leave after your blog wakens them from slumber!
You want to be the broker Fisher? Ha, ha. I'll cut you in on the deal. You be the go between man and Kekel gets the ID and password to this blog and I'm done. I'll guarantee this blog has cost the NTCC a lot of money. Maybe millions and thats no exageration. You don't think it motivated Barnes? How about MDR? There is no telling how much. The NTCC should jump all over this offer because what kind of price should you put on souls, right? LOL. If it is really all about saving souls they should certainly want this blog gone. Plus, some of the stuff written here is pretty embarrassing. What do you say Mike? Make me an offer I can't refuse and deal directly with Fisher. Fisher is my broker. I only deal directly with Fisher. Set it up Fish? If Mike wants to deal directly with me, it will cost him and addition 10%. I'm not hard to contact. Set it up Fish.
I've become the Google mercenary. I'm like RWD and Kekel. I'll do anything for the right price, (other than starting a church and taking advantage of Christians of course). Don't think that hasn't crossed my mind. They are going to give their money away anyway, why shouldn't I get some? I learned well from the NTCC. I'd compete against the House of Prayer and the NTCC. There is more than enough money to go around. I know enough exers who can preach to put the NTCC and House of Prayer out of business. Isn't that what it's all about? Who can preach? Paying tithe? Money and numbers and that is exactly what RWD said. I heard him with my own two ears at conference just as plain as day. Money and numbers and if you don't like it, there is the door.
Something to think about, you've been around so many pastors and probably have seen of "how" not to build a church, lol.
I can think of a few names to call your church.
That's a great idea chief. We'll sell NTCC our Blog also...If the price is right. Make us an offer.
Gregory
Anonymous said...
I can think of a few names to call your church.
Chief said...
I can also: The New Testament Tithe Payers Incorporated: "Preaching a Tithe Paying Christian To A Lost and Gullible World".
"You Can Never Out Give GAWD". "All Christians Pay Tithe And Give In the Offering". "It's Better To Give Than To Receive". "Bring All Your Tithes Into The Storehouse So I Can Have A Big Fat Mansion, A Long RV, A Bunch Of Rental Properties (and you pay rent in cash), A BMW, A Cadillac, A Huge Gun Collection With At least One Henry Lever Action Rifle, And A Rolex Watch and God will open up the windows of heaven and pour out a blessing that you won't even be able to afford life insurance."
how about a 2fer one? buy one blog...get one blog free!
Two for one blog sounds like a good deal. What do you say Mike? Is Gregs blog even up? If it ain't open for all to see it won't have much bargaining value. Either way. Two for one. Pay me and whoever elses blog you want to buy and we will work out the financial details. Don and Anges blog should bring in a pretty good penny.
Chief
I won't even post how much I was paid because there will sure be more to follow. It probably wouldn't matter anyway. If I agree not to post on them along with Don and Ange, Vic, MDR, double D and Greg, they'll be a dead end. Not too many people involved these days. If I were Kekel, I'd buy this blog just so I wouldn't have to see the statement anymore where I threw RWD under the bus. You best believe I'm going to be putting it back up front after a while. Make me an offer Mike.
Chief,
Here are my terms and conditions. You are right. Your blog is effecting our bottom line, and many of our weak minded members have left. We still have millions in real estate and are set financially but we are loosing much of our power base. What good is it to be rich if you don't have thousands of loyal subjects to rule over?
I will offer you a one time monetary "gift" if you will go away and never come back. One million U.S. Dollars will be transferred into an off shore account of your choice. In return you will post a public apology to the existing members of the ntcc and you will send me the password to your blog so I can immediately dismantle it.
The Sith shall once more rule the galaxy and we shall have peace.
Yours Truly,
Mikey
You ain't gettin yo filthy hands on our blog. It's not for sale, however if you would like to send us a donation of 10% of all the tithe you receive we will consider toning it down a bit. We will become kinder and gentler bloggers, if the price is right.
All of our Archives will remain accessible and we will still control the blog. We will try to be a little nicer depending on how many tithe dollars you send us. We will try to cut down on the sarcasm as we get richer and richer.
Of course our blog might not be as valuable as Chief's, but we offer financing. This is a one time deal, an olive branch if you will. For an extra 5% we will also will try to write one nice thing about the ntcc once per month. We also will offer 90 days same as cash if you drain all of your escrow funds and send them to us within three months.
DnA
I hear you Don and Ange but for the right price, mine comes down. What is the name of this thread? "Take care of your family and stop being stupid"? Your blog don't pay your bills the last time I checked and neither does mine. I could sleep real well at night with my blog gone forever for the right price. The suckers will be brainwashed blog or no blog, just a few less.
So Mike, the offer stands! For the right price, the blog comes down never for me to post again. It's all about saving souls anyway right? If I'm stopping souls from being saved, (which is what you and all your minions claim) than aren't the souls of man and women worth my asking price on this blog?
So let me get this straight. If you don't buy my blog, then apparently the souls of men and women aren't worth that much to the NTCC. Or is it that you don't care that I'm influencing people to leave right and left? Either way, the ball is in your court. Your move.
Don and Ange wrote...
For an extra 5% we will also will try to write one nice thing about the ntcc once per month.
Chief wrote...
ROFLOFLOLOLO!!!!!
Don and Ange wrote....
Of course our blog might not be as valuable as Chief's, but we offer financing.
Chief said...
HA!!!!!!!!! Is this you Don because I don't know anyone else with a brain so twisted. Years in the NTCC hath made you mad. LOL. Dude, you are funny!!!!
Chief,
We are having more fun that human beings should be allowed to have. And why shouldn't we? My brain can be a little twisted at times and no doubt my years in the ntcc have contributed to this condition. They have had a lot of fun at our expense also as we sat in the pews at conferences and thousands of church services shouting amen as our wallets were drained of the color green.
Just tryin to lighten things up. You and Fish got things going with your brokered blog deal. This stuff is funny, I don't care who you are. I have to say that if a soul can be lost by reading a blog, you have to wonder how saved that soul really was in the first place. I think that the blogs have an opposite effect on people. In the ntcc it's really all about money, but when people read the blogs reality sinks in and they realize that they have been part of a religious Ponzi scheme for years, and leaving is actually a major step in the right direction.
If Kekel buys your blog or finances ours, the only thing it will do is help keep the money and expensive toys flowing. Mike and R-dub call them blessings, but if anyone thinks that our blogs being gone has anything whatsoever to do with souls getting closer to God, they are some seriously delusional suckers.
It's so painfully obvious that the ntcc is a cult. The only people that are being fooled are the ones that keep financing the excess living of the leaders they blindly follow. I wish they could see themselves for what they are. I'm not trying to insult them because we were just as blind. If an alien came down from outer space and observed the ntcc, they would scratch their heads. Anyone with half a brain, twisted or not would dub them a cult without question. Who in their right mind would give all their money to rich people and subject themselves to a whole bunch of kooky rules that total change who they are and control every aspect of their lives? All Jesus ever required was love but this bunch is out there.
DnA
I have said it before, and I will say it again, the members {not the ministers} that stay all have one or two things in common, they come from dysfunctional homes, or they don't want to lose their friendships with the other members that are longstanding. Nothing more, why on earth would people not in seminary or licensed ministers stay? there is no other reason. When you are use to dysfunction, you will accept it from a church as well, and when the ONLY friends you are allowed to have are in your church, you stay put. That is it. Think about it folks. This is not a put down, I am in no way trying to build myself up, but this is the way it was in the Graham church. Absolutely...The Parkland group that came over from that small church, they are still in Graham and that is the only reason why they are still around. You know who you are.....
That is well said Anonymous, and pretty much sums it up in a nutshell. Dysfunction and so called friendships that only last as long as you stay in that specific church. As soon as you move to another location, it is frowned upon to keep in touch, thus information arteries stay clogged and people remain ignorant and uninformed.
Don and Ange wrote...
If Kekel buys your blog or finances ours, the only thing it will do is help keep the money and expensive toys flowing.
Chief said...
That's ok with me. I don't guess it matters whether Kekel has 8 million or 8 million 100 thousand, (arbitrary figures). The dude has money no matter how you look at it and there is a never ending flow of sucks to keep pumping it into his pocket. If he buys my blog, we'll both get money compliments (the suckers) and what difference does it make? His pot ain't never running dry because there is a sucker born every day.
I'm trying to take care of my family and if the sale of this blog helps to make that happen, I'm in. I'll buy RWD another gun if Kekel makes the price right. I'll even pay tithe to one of those Catholic priests at Grant Kekel's college if Kekel wants to double the price. Win, win. The priest gets his tithe and I feel better about the sale of my blog.
Speaking of paying tithe, listen to this and listen good. Of every denomination I can think of, they all have major doctrinal differences which seriously separates and divides them. One believes in the trinity and the other doesn't, one says women can work and the other doesn't, one says you pray in tongues and the other says you don't and I could go on and on and on, but isn't it ironic that they all agree on one thing. You better cough up 10% of your income and you won't find any of them arguing about that one. Jehovah Witnesses, Catholics, Baptist, Pentecostals, Seventh Day Adventists, Oneness, Holiness, anything but Holiness, you name it. Isn't it odd that these churches can't hardly agree with each other about anything but you can best believe that none of them have a problem with you coughing up 10% of your income and the ones who don't actively teach it still won't stop you from doing it.
Dude, it don't take Albert Einstein to figure that one out. It's all about the money baby with %99.99999 percent of these churches. They disagree about every doctrine in the world but you won't hear them arguing about tithing.
Oh that's right, tithing is the only one where they all got it right, right? It has to be. So basically, you can put every conceivable doctrine in question but you better pay tithe because they couldn't possibly have all gotten that one wrong.
Hello All,
I can't agree with the 2 for 1 sale idea. This is not what Senior Pastor Davis teaches. He routinely teaches..."There are no free lunches." So we will abide by his policy.
The $1 Million for only Jeff’s Blog is about the worth I placed on it. Not that this is all the monetary damage his Blog does each year, but that this is a fair price.
My estimation is NTCC Graham looses a conservative minimum of about $300,000 per year because of these blogs, and quite a bit more ($2 Million) per year Cult wide.
And these are not cumulative numbers, i.e. I did not factor in the amount of yearly cash the Cult also looses from the income of the people that people that are leaving would have brought out, etc.
We all have had an enormous positive impact for God…Multi-Millions of Dollars worth of positive impact since 2004.
For example: Just Deb and I leaving reduced NTCC Graham’s direct income (tithe and offerings we sent to NTCC Graham) by about $6,000 per year. Multiply this by the 5 years since we have given them any cash and…well, you get the picture. Although (to be accurate), Deb didn’t leave (and I wasn’t forced out of the Cult) because of the Blogs.
Jeff: Deb’s Blog is up, we took it down for a little while for personal reasons, but it has been back up for months now.
Many of the old links on Deb’s Blog are inactive (I will update them)…NTCC as a group has done an enormous amount of house cleaning this past year; greatly reducing its internet footprint. Lucky we archive.
At your service,
Gregory
Oh, thanks Greg. I'm going to her blog now.
Chief
I put in a post but of course there is moderation so it takes time.
Later.
It's not there Jeff. I also checked the Spam folder...no new posts.
Gregory
I just did a test...it works. Try again if you like.
Gregory
Cool. Got it Greg. I'll try it again.
Chief
Kekel probably won't buy the blog, and do u know y? He needs it up so he can have something to preach about!
It keeps him informed.
Ntcc people love to read it...with mouths and eyes wide open...especially the bored housewives. And they all know it all rings true.
Yeah, the bored housewives know the real deal. A lot of NTCC women are getting wiser to RWD's chauvinistic ways. If you want a job then get one and tell the NTCC to prove you shouldn't have one. They can't do it.
Good point Double Ugh. There is the element of Narcissism that controls the puppet master. Plowing fields and blasting people has been a long time staple of the ntcc. Also, there is no backing down or admitting that they have been wrong. If the blogs go down they will have to replace them with something else they define as sin, so they can have something to preach against.
I'm sure Kekel preaches against the blogs but he also reads them himself, being the hypocrite that he is. Maybe the money hungry greedy hearted person that he is, he will see the good business sense that it would make to buy Chief out. Kekel would still be pocketing a big chunk Chief.
DnA
If the NTCC housewives know that this stuff is true that explains why they all looked so completely miserable. That is something I always noticed while in Graham, these women don't look happy, and secondly how could you be happy when you looked like they did every day. I was one of them so I know. Notice the word "was".
DS or GS said,
"For example: Just Deb and I leaving reduced NTCC Graham’s direct income (tithe and offerings we sent to NTCC Graham) by about $6,000 per..."
didn't someone do a cost analysis of how much money the average family spends in ntcc?
Many of us have over the years.
Gregory
There are quite a few variables that would go into a cost analysis for a family in the ntcc. If they are a family that is in the ministry, and the Man is Pastor over a successful church, they would most likely fall into the Briggs family category. Most of their money goes to Graham but they are able to have a few nice things and live a half way decent life. But even in this situation things like life insurance are a luxury which cannot fit into their budgets.
Now if you are a family going through bible school where the man is expected to get a job that allows him to participate in all of the cult activities of the ntcc, chance are you will be surviving off of a very meager salary where many have said that they budget $40 to $50 per week for groceries. The woman is not allowed to help the man because of the double standard, "women are the keeper of the house" rule which they keep in Washington, but allow to be broken overseas and under "special circumstances". So you got one group of people that eat ramen and wash thier close in the sink so they can attend cult seminary classes, and you have another group of people overseas where women are allowed to work so the bills can be paid and they can eat ramen and wash their clothes in a sink also if necessary. One missionary couldn't even afford a toilet seat and was living in a house that was smaller than most peoples living rooms.
Nobody is rich in the ntcc except the pompous leaders in Graham. Most of the Servicemen's homes are getting along fairly well and they probably eat pretty good and wash their clothes in a washing machine. But they don't have money for nice cars or life insurance. Some ministers will brag about how well they have it, but if they were to leave the borg they would be starting from scratch like the rest of us.
The ntcc keeps people down and does their best to control folks in the ntcc and this includes their finances. They keep you living at the edge of poverty, because if you prosper too much you will become like them and want to run your own show. Davis was a sales man and a con artist who got really good at influencing church people to give him money. He got tired of sending that money to someone else and decided to start his own circus. He used a different model than most church organizations in that he realized that if he find enough suckers to give large amounts of money, he could make just as much as the ones that get many suckers to give smaller amounts. It's a sick world we live in and there are sadistic people that will use hell to scare people into giving all they have and living like monks just so that they can live like kings. They are a bunch of money grubbing, power hungry, greedy, cheating, lying scoundrels that love themselves more than anyone else.
DnA
Oh, I forgot, they are also Chippy Cheat Swindlers and Hucksters.
GS/DS said:
"For example: Just Deb and I leaving reduced NTCC Graham’s direct income (tithe and offerings we sent to NTCC Graham)"
DnA said:
And this is just one level of the pyramid. This doesn't account for all the people that Greg and Deb reached in years prior that remained in other works or went off to bible school. They also multiplied and all that stay, give. That is the one common denominator that ties everyone together in the ntcc is that they all give. The ones that were giving 6k per year have probably multiplied and are generating more money for the Grant Kekel Catholic education fund or the Tanya Kekel museum furniture fund. So you have to look at the big picture. If you look at all the ones Greg and Deb influenced in their combined years of service to the ntcc, and you look at how they have multiplied, divide that by the number of combined years they were in, and then multiply that figure by the years they have been out and you would have a pretty big chunk of change, and that doesn't even account for future multiplying. Same thing with the Reeds.
Tithe has turned into a very evil method that is being used to bring riches to church leaders. It is practiced in almost every church and very few will refuse your tithe dollars. There is no basis in the new testament to justify the abuses that we see in the ntcc. They pick and choose Old testament doctrine to obey and that no longer applies. It's painfully obvious why this is done and anyone with half a brain can see through this scam. I feel foolish for falling for this scam for so many years and if you are in the ntcc and paying your tithe you are being played for a fool, because your tithe dollars are making people filthy rich.
DnA
Don and Ange said...
Oh, I forgot, they are also Chippy Cheat Swindlers and Hucksters.
Chief said...
No excuse. If you ever forget to make that statement again when you are writing about finances, I will delete your post and every other one you ever posted for ever and ever. Chippy Cheat Swindlers and Hucksters and don't forget it. I'm really disappointed in you Don and Ange. I don't know how in the world you could have forgot that the first time. This is your last warning and if you don't like it there is the door. Don't let it hit you in the butt on the way out.
Cha Chiefster.
Conniving Con Artists is another name but not as applicable and appropriate as Chippy Cheat Swindlers and Hucksters. You let me down Don. Just keep paying your tithes and giving in the offerings (because that's what all Christians do) and I'll let you slide this one time.
Oh and until you get right with GAWD on that one, you will not be allowed to take up the offering or lead song service. I'm also going to give you the cold shoulder when I see you and I will avoid you in conference like Mayers did me when I got on his bad side. You better recognize because I learned from the best.
Wow, I haven't been jacked up like that in 16 years. Yes, Sir, I promise that I'll never forget to call them Chippy Cheat Swindlers and Hucksters again. But what about all the tithe I have paid, doesn't that count for anything? Surely a little bit of forgiveness is in order. LOL. You got me busting a gut here, Chief. This is just like old times. LOL!
Can I at least play the tambourine? I feel like that is my calling in the ntcc, is to play the tambourine. I promise I will be good from now on and I will not forget to address the leadership by their proper titles. Oh Cheesy Chief, please don't beat me, and don't take away my tambourine either.
Also I forgot to tell you how I got on Mayers bad side. I outright refused to call someone at 11:00PM about church the next morning. I'm not inconsiderate like the NTCC Chippy Cheat Swindlers and Hucksters. That was the day before conference. He was so mad that I flat out refused to to make that phone call, that he didn't talk to me the entire conference. Some kind of Pastor hey? Well I don't lack (common decency) like so many NTCC pastors that I've known and I wasn't going to lack it that evening either.
If Olson called me up for a report at 2:00am I'd tell that dude to stick his report where the sun don't shine and I'd call him a Chippy Cheat Swindler and a Huckster. See Don, that's how you do it.
Oops, I meant Cheesy Chiefster. Please don't call me out publicly. I'm sorry for not giving you the respect you've earned over the years. If I ever slip and call you Jeff instead of the Rev. Cheesy Chiefster, I will lay my tambourine at your feet. But at least let me play the spoons or the juice harp.
Don asked...
Can I at least play the tambourine?
Chippy Chief said...
Only if you promise not to listen to "Hey Mr. Tambourine Man" by the Birds anymore and you repent for attending the jazz festival like Mike Kekel. You also have to sit quietly and patiently during the next fellowship meeting while the preaching pastor blasts you because I told him how you are losing the victory? Then you can play the tambourine only when we sing, "I'll Fly Away" for the millionth time.
When I was in Louisville we wore out I'll Fly Away and another hymn called "No Not One". Man, we sang that song so much I would groan when the page number was announced "No! NOT that one!"
Don said...
But at least let me play the spoons or the juice harp.
Chippy Cheese Chiefster said..s
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! I just EXPLODED. HAH, You need to get saved, HAH, You ain't right with GAWD, HAH, You better repent of your sins, HAH, NO SPOONS and JUICE HARPS. HAH, HAH, HAH, can I get an amen? HAH. Did I get worked up enough? Praise GAWD!!!!!
UtOh, I'm in real trouble now, because my rebellious wife just left a link to Mr. Tambourine Man by The Byrds. I guess We'll both get jacked up for that one.
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! HAH, If you don't like it here there is the door. HAH, I was here first. HAH, I was here when you got here and I'll be here when you leave. HAH, NO LINKS TO MR. TAMBOURINE MAN ON THIS BLOG!!!!!!!!! HAH, YOU AIN'T RIGHT WITH GOD!!!! HAH, You need to pray through!!! HAH, Was that enough NTCC rhetoric? HAH, PRAISE THE LAWD.
Chippy Cheese Chiefster said:
"HAH, NO SPOONS and JUICE HARPS."
Jacked up Church member says:
I'll move back in to the barracks, but please don't stop knocking at my door on soul winning nights. I don't want to be completely rejected. I'll come out on Sundays and leave a few bucks in the offering, and don't forget to send a faithful tithe payer to haul me out to the servicemen's home for a home cooked meal on Monday nights. After all, the quickest way to a man's heart is through his stomach, is what they say. If I'm going to get jacked up, I might as while get my moneys worth.
Jacked up Church Member said...
If I'm going to get jacked up, I might as while get my moneys worth.
Chief said...
ROFLOL!!!! That ought to be your new screen name. LOL. The funny part is the truth in the whole situation. If you've spent any length of time in the NTCC, you've definitely been a "Jacked up Church Member". LOL. That's too funny.
Hey, did I do good at jacking someone up? I want to learn how to jack people up and I want to be good at it.
If there is anyone who wants to get jacked up and pay me 10% to do it, just give me a call. For 15% I'll really jack you up with more man made rules than Tanya Kekel has collectable furniture items. For 20% I'll tell you where you can find the door. For 30% I'll spit in your face from a pulpit? For 40% I'll tell your wife she looks like Jezebel when she shows up to church with pants on, (like my NTCC pastor did to this lady in the church), no exaggeration. For 50% you can come clean my house like all them suckers clean Kekel's. For 60% I'll rent you my house and you can pay me rent in cash. For 70% (if you are a young lady) I'll give your husband a job and then have sex with you when your husband goes to work like R.W. Davis did to the lady who most people reading this blog knows all about. And for basically everything you earn, 100%, I'll hire you on the building crew and take tithe out before you get paid, allow you to give in special offerings so RWD can have Cadillacs, nice guns, a rolex, a cuckoo clock, you can make a pledge to "world minions" I mean "world missions" and you can shine RWD's shoes and clean Olsons car whenever it gets dirty.
Now how could you possibly get a better life than that one? Only by joining the NTCC to become a "Jacked up Church Member".
This should be on the main page!
Fisher, everyone has seen this stuff before to include the part about Pam Norton and Davis.
Chilly Cheese Dog, Chippy, Cheat Cha Chiefster said:
"Hey, did I do good at jacking someone up?"
DnA said:
You'd make an excellent ntcc Pastor. Another character trait that would help is if you jump to conclusions before you dig for all the facts. You don't even have to know what you are talking about. Just pretend like you do, and people will hang on your every word.
Chilly Cheese Dog, Chippy, Cheat Cha Chiefster said:
"If there is anyone who wants to get jacked up and pay me 10% to do it, just give me a call."
DnA said:
You got tears coming out of my eyes with this thought. The more they give, the more jacked up they get.
I can see an unsaved couple discussing which church they want to go to:
Wife: "Let's see if we can find a church that tells us what to wear, what to say and collects 10% of our paycheck".
Husband: "Maybe we can find a church that will make us hate all of our friends and relatives also. I'd be willing to pay 20% to a church like that".
Wife: "I got a good idea. Let's see if we can find a church were we have to ask permission to go to someone else's house or ride in someone else's car. We can pay 30% for this wonderful privilege.
Husband: "Maybe we can squeeze out an extra 10% if the Preacher agrees to call our names out in church service and scream at the top of their lungs at us for doing things that aren't even a sin".
Wife: "We need to make sure they have lots of rules to control every waking moment of our lives, also. That's gotta be worth half of our income".
Husband: "Don't forget, we need a church that has two sets of standards, so that we can be treated like slaves and watch our money bring financial well being to others. 60%.
Wife: "We also need a church were the fear of hell fire and brimstone is a constant reminder to keep living by all these crazy rules." 70%.
Husband: "Let's make sure that the Pastor allows us to pool all of our money together to buy him diamond pinky rings, Rolex watches, Henry Rifles and recreational vehicles". 80%
Wife: "We also need to make sure that they keep us busy with at least 5 or 6 services per week and soul winning, prayer meetings and mandatory fellowship." 90%.
Husband: "Ultimately we need to find an organization that will send us to a cult compound to learn their tactics so we can become cult leaders and get our piece of the pie." 100%
Wife: "But what if we need to purchase food, or clothing for our family"?
Husband: "Don't worry, God will provide".
Don said...
Chilly Cheese Dog, Chippy, Cheat Cha Chiefster said:
Chilly Cheese Dog said....
ROFOLOLOLO!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Boy I got a good laugh out of that one, HA!! I never even got to what you wrote. I'm dying right now laughing. Chilly Cheese Dog, HA!! You are STUPID Don. You are a Chilly Cheese Dog Gone Clown. LOL. Now I'm going back to read what else you wrote. I know I'm going to be laughing. Man the folks around here must think I'm crazy with all this laughing I'm doing. Later you NUT.
Chilly Cheese Dog Gone Don wrote...
You got tears coming out of my eyes with this thought. The more they give, the more jacked up they get.
Chippy Cheating Chief wrote...
ROFLOL!!!!!! Man I'm dying you crazy NUT. You are so stupid. A high ranking guy just asked me what I was laughing so hard about. Ok, let me keep reading. STOP!!!! Don't right that stuff no more dude, I got work to do.
Don you NUT. I can't stop laughing. I just read the rest of that nonsense. DUDE!!!!!! This is the most I've laughed in years. I wonder if that guy that went into the Graham church with a sword gave an extra 10% to get thrown out on his back????? ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!! This whole thing is so ridiculously funny.
Don wrote...
Husband: "Maybe we can find a church that will make us hate all of our friends and relatives also. I'd be willing to pay 20% to a church like that".
Chief wrote...
That was the funniest thing I've every read in my life without exception. You have one absolute crazy sense of humor and it wouldn't be anywhere near as funny if it was so thoroughly true!!!! Dude!!!!! If a merry heart doeth like a medicine, I'm going to live forever because I don't think I've ever laughed so hard in my life.
Thanks Don and I mean that sincerely.
Chief
We could pledge (and pay) one thousand dollars for another building that will sit empty for years and years.
Then I can rip up old rags to use during 'that ome of the month' since we will be too poor to afford Kotex pads.
Then, while you're laid up recovering from your 'children hinder the work of the Lawd' vasectomy, I can work 12 hours a day gluing wrapping paper on empty cardboard boxes, selling them as 'keepsake treasure boxes' to the other sisters so we cn buy more ramen. 'Course they are all so poor they don't have any treasures, so they will just put their coupns in them, same a I do.
Ange said...
We could pledge (and pay) one thousand dollars for another building that will sit empty for years and years.
Chief said...
Ain't that the truth. LOL. I've seen it happen in Columbus. A serviceman's home stayed essentially empty for years and guess who paid the rent? I think during a 4 year period maybe two guys stayed there for a total of possibly of 4 months combined if that. This was a four bedroom, 2 1/2 bathroom, three living room, w dinning room, study and large eat in kitchen that stayed empty. It didn't make any sense how much money got pissed away on that house; my tithe money HARD at work. I might just as well threw my money in dumpster for crying out loud. I know exactly what you are talking about on that one Ange. That's a good one.
Husband: Hey honey, lets find a church where all the tithe and offering money we give gets pissed away on large house that only two people live in; I'll give and extra 30% for that.
Heck, I'll give a extra 40% if the they won't even run the AC in the house because they are too broke and won't make the owner of the house fix it like the home in Columbus GA. Actually lets give 50% if they put together some fellowship in the home when it's 105 degrees in Columbus so all the brothers can sweat like pigs. That's the kind of church I want to join.
DnA wrote: Now if you are a family going through bible school where the man is expected to get a job that allows him to participate in all of the cult activities of the ntcc, chance are you will be surviving off of a very meager salary where many have said that they budget $40 to $50 per week for groceries. The woman is not allowed to help the man because of the double standard, "women are the keeper of the house" rule which they keep in Washington, but allow to be broken overseas and under "special circumstances". So you got one group of people that eat ramen and wash thier close in the sink so they can attend cult seminary classes, and you have another group of people overseas where women are allowed to work so the bills can be paid and they can eat ramen and wash their clothes in a sink also if necessary. One missionary couldn't even afford a toilet seat and was living in a house that was smaller than most peoples living rooms.
Nobody is rich in the ntcc except the pompous leaders in Graham. Most of the Servicemen's homes are getting along fairly well and they probably eat pretty good and wash their clothes in a washing machine. But they don't have money for nice cars or life insurance. Some ministers will brag about how well they have it, but if they were to leave the borg they would be starting from scratch like the rest of us.
This was so right on its scary! And the leaders have no problem with any of this while they live they good life.
I think many people are beginning to wake up in the ntcc. There are some people that will never wake up. Some folks haven't used their brain in so long they have forgotton how to use it. People in the ntcc allow ministers to make most of their decisions for them. Pastor can I do this? Pastor can I do that? Many of the things they asked are things that other people do all the time without asking permission. In many ways the ntcc is like a big day care center or diaper changing station. You need to go to a grownup church instead of a children's Sunday School. If you allow somebody that treat you all your life like a child then you'll act like a child for the rest of your life. It's time to grow up and man up and be your own person and stop letting somebody else direct all the decisions in your life.
OUCH!
Well, "Ouch", you can either shout "Amen!" or "Oh me!"
Living here in WA, I often run into people from the old church, and many are carrying the weight of the world on their shoulders. You can see it in their eyes. Some do their best to avoid me, and I often think, how does someone become an enemy just because they leave a church? When that church operates like a cult, that's when.
Some people might have been free at one time, maybe when they first prayed, but now they are servants to the law and the whims of men, living in fear of not measuring up, when in fact nobody measures up, living in fear of being called out for this or that, living in fear, fear, fear of man.
It's a mistake to think leaving ntcc means leaving God. You might find, as I did, that God will bless you even more if you follow His will, listen to what your heart is telling you, and leave.
I have more Christian friends now than at any other time in my life, and many of us used to go to that church. Some I knew only by sight or by their last name are now some of my best friends. We can all choose where we want to go to church (or not) and still be friends. How about that? That sounds too much like the love of Jesus.
Matt and I are closing in on toward two years out and life is good, and I haven't even touched on the financial part of the blessings that has come our way since leaving. ;-)
DSR
And there you have it DSR. Yet another testimony from someone who's left the NTCC stating how much better life is. Should life as a Christian be a life of drudgery? Should life as a Christian be a life of fear? Should life as a Christian be a life of poverty?
Mike Kekel would say life as a Christian isn't a life of poverty for him, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that his riches came as a direct result of him marrying RWDs daughter. Secondly, I would consider Mike a Christian certainly not according to the criteria found in the Bible. So you are right DSR. I've found a whole lot more love outside the NTCC then I ever did in it.
Chief
Chief, let me just say, I am so glad you didn't give up on this blog. I know it takes time and energy to do this every day, and like I have said before, it was not for this blog, I might still be in the cult church in Graham. Still looking like a weirdo, with no friends, no family and no life. Wow, doesn't that sound great. But that really is essentially what you have while in the NTCC. People can fool themselves but they just need to get real. Thanks again Chief... your efforts don't go nappreciated, that's for sure, not by me anyway.
Thanks.
Chief
Jeff,
Ditto on all the positive things everyone says about you.
Gregory
Now lets go eat some wings...from Buffalo of course!
I left ntcc church years ago during the split and went with hopcc...and i wish i knew what i know now because it was twice as bad...but thank God he helped us escape...and i mean escape!
So dish us some dirt on HOP..don't let them fly under the radar.
there is so much dirt i don't know where to start!
Question, is the HOP in Washington run by Virgo? or is it some other branched off church that went to the South? It was a big secret which people didn't talk about in Graham, at least now members anyway. So this is kind of information that I know nothing about, I do remember when Virgo stormed out of a service in Graham and never came back. Can someone fill us in with this situation?
there's a book called pastor pharaoh by p.b. and it is directed toward them...which they stemmed from ntcc..if i can figure out how to send it i will because people really need to wake up and realize what's really going on and what they are a part of.
virgo is the pastor there but denis is in charge of everything
I heard denis changed his church name to Assembly of Prayer
The Pastor Pharaoh book is available for download on Amazon.
Question: Does Rev. Bowers name names (including that HOP is who he is writing about) or is it just general information?
I am only interested in reading specifics, and won't buy it otherwise.
Gregory
some of the churches names was changed to assembly of prayer but many are still under hopcc.
Share more? It helps to let it out.
This whole prayer part of each church title is all about a badge of honor with Denis. I remember him telling me about it. His attitude was "Look at me and my people, we pray the longest". "The NTCC doesn't put enough time into prayer" was his attitude and I could see right through it. The NTCC opened my eyes to these Chippy Cheat Swindler Hucksters. Denis was so full of himself it was flat out repulsive. He got that holier than thou attitude from RWD and it was clear that he was all about money just like RWD.
Denis would sit there and talk (I kid you not) all about himself excessively. He always wanted to prove how good his memory was by playing this "look what I can remember game" with people. He would ask them something from years ago and then show them how great he was at remembering the event. He would go from person to person and do it. That dude was such a BLOW HARD.
Denis may very well have been one of the most "non-spiritual" people who thought he was spiritual that I ever met, no exaggeration. Bottom line, he and RWD are nothing but phonies and fakes who are all about money. I'd tell Denis to kiss my butt if I saw him because he was nothing but a blow hard just like RWD both of which are completely full of themselves.
So there is what you get with the house of prayer or assembly of prayer. A bunch of conceited blow hards who brag about praying so much. From a Bible standpoint here is Denis to a tee.
Luke 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.
There you have Denis and RWD. RWD likes the highest seats and chief rooms and for a shew Denis makes long prayers. Those clowns are nothing but a couple scribes and pharisees combined.
Denis was such a BLOW HARD.
Chief said...
And that in itself was a clear testament to the character of RWD. Now if I could see that plain as day, then why in the world would RWD nominate Denis to a position of prominence within the NTCC? Because RWD is horrible at picking people for positions of leadership in the NTCC because these people are often of low character as was Denis. Olson is the same way and so is Kekel. Ashmore is right there also and so is Wright. These guys horrible leaders. The NTCC is just sorry.
Chief
And to think that people right now in the ntcc adulated them and wanted to be like them, the denises.
I could see the gandy's, the devonshires, and others going around the denises holding umbrellas to shield them from the sun and making sure to turn the A.C. on in their car so that it could be cold when the denises got in!
Yes, it was wierd, but that is what it was about, controlling people.
People wanted the denises to come to their church because rwd would say that denis loved God and what he did "worked"
I remember the conferences when denis was put on a pedestal for being such a leader and on and on and if you didn't like him it was because you were just jealous!
HA HA HA SUCKAS! Joke's on you. Just kidding. But really, to suckseed in NTCC, you have to be a suck-up. That is how it is in NTCC. They say, "The way up is the way down." Down under their thumb, down while you grab your ankles, down... well use your imagination because it is too down and dirty to speak of.
Denis duped Davis by imitating him. Davis can't do anything to Denis or else NTCC's dirt will come out too.
it is true they claim to pray so much that they named it prayer force but it is prayer forced! because they are forcing it on you and if you don't do it like they say woe is you!
They are some of the most miserable people.
You are correct it's all about Control!
Just looked what happened and this proves what we are saying is true. Denis verbally dogged the NTCC convincing as many ministers as he could to leave the NTCC. So Denis went from being the greatest to being a devil in the eyes of everyone who stayed with the NTCC. And I'm supposed to trust Davis' judgment? Get real. How are you supposed to be the greatest one day and the devil the very next????? I'll tell you how, Davis was wrong all along and everyone who trusts Davis is wrong also. He thought Denis was the greatest because all Davis cares about is money and Denis made made him plenty of it. Everyone talked about how great Denis was right before he left the NTCC and then everyone said he was the devil. I want one person to come on here and have the balls to tell me I'm wrong. And if you can't, then why are you still following RWD or anyone who is a leader in the NTCC?
Whatever. To me they are all Chippy Cheat Swindlers and Hucksters. That's Denis, Davis, Olson, Kekel. Doesn't matter if they are from HOP or the NTCC. They both call each other "no good" and that is the one thing they are both right about. The are all con artist crooks. Swindlers and Hucksters.
Uh oh. Time for a new thread. This one has almost 200 comments! Not bad for a guy who stopped blogging. Maybe you should give Kekel blogging classes (for a small fee).
No, for a large fee...he has the $.
swindler is correct . We went to dennis house and someone must have complained about all the beautiful stuff in his house and he said this rug came from sams club and im thinking that massive chandelier in your living room did not come from sams club it costs thousands of dollars.
Sounds like a chip off the old NTCC block, there was always talk of the oppulent homes of both Davis and Kekel, I personally was never in either of them, but from what I hear they where very beautiful. I think members where never invited, only ministers and their wives, so that would explain why I never got a invite, that's ok, I would not have wanted to go if I was invited anyway. But hey, what's wrong with a man of God having nice things, RIGHT!!!! This is the reasoning I always got from my better half.
There's nothing wrong with having nice things but not at the expense of a brother or sister or somesones livelihood.
Fisher said...
Not bad for a guy who stopped blogging.
Chief said...
I hear you and I understand your point but believe me, I don't do this for "number of posts". Originally I did it exclusively to expose the NTCC while showing people what that crooked organization is really all about. Then I got sick of it. Now I'm actually getting quite a bit of entertainment out of it. Especially with that stuff that Don wrote. That was hilarious to me and I got great enjoyment out of it. The fact that the NTCC even still exists is frustrating to me but what are you going to do.
I've been saying this for a while. If the NTCC went away today, there would be ten thousand more churches similar to it to follow in it's footsteps. That is what churches have turned into and it's not a new story. A bunch of greedy, money hungry con artists who claim that Christianity is all about making money and accumulating real estate and there could be nothing further from the truth. So in all actuality, this is a losing battle and I've come to grips with that. I'm doing it more for entertainment now than to fight the good fight which was clearly my original intent.
The whole Briggs story got me real stirred up and back motivated again to slam the NTCC but I found out that it was somewhat entertaining in the process. The whole Robert Briggs story is as sad as any I've ever heard and only a small part of that is his actual death. It is a sad thing to know you're leaving a family you really love but it's even sadder when you have no idea how they are going to be taken care of when you are gone when you had every opportunity to previously make all the proper provisions.
Had Robert Briggs listened to me and really genuinely considered the things I've written on this blog, he would have had at the very least $300,000 worth of life insurance and he would have been giving a whole lot less money to Kekel the con artist and a WHOLE lot more to his family. But he just didn't listen and he just didn't genuinely consider the things I had to say!!!!!
I'm no prophet. I'm no fortune teller. I can't predict the dog gone future but I can tell you this. Taking care of your very own wife and kids is far more important than sending money to Graham so the Kekels can send their son to Charles Wright Academy at the cost of almost $20,000 a year all through high school. It's more important than the Kekels having a big fat house, a BMW, an over blown guitar collection, the finest most abnormal furniture they could possibly dream of putting in their house and a whole bunch of collectible stuff that makes Kekel's house look like a dog gone museum!!!! COME ON!!!!!! Is that what serving God is all about? HELL NO!!!!!!
The NTCC, RW Davis and the Kekels are using people and if you can't see it you are a dog gone stupid individual given all the information you can currently find on the Internet and I've written this stuff 50 million times and folks will still leave their kids for all intensive purposes penniless. God does not want you to give the NTCC one more penny or any other amount of money and I believe that with all my heart.
Take care of YOUR WIFE AND CHILDREN or the needy or the fatherless or the widow but don't send your money off to some greedy millionaire who can't even figure out enough ways to spent the money he currently has, so his spoiled ass wife hunts for the most ridiculous furniture you could possibly dream of just to make her house look like more of a museum than it already does.
There, if you no longer want to read this blog because I just wrote a quote "curse" word, just keep giving your money to the NTCC and it will be your problem not mine and unfortunately Robert Briggs had to find that out the hardest way possible. Don't make the same mistake.
Now entering the NTCC Zone. Secure Your Wallets
chief,
How many times we heard the stories of the davises not having anything and the countless times we heard the story of rw having to kneel to pray facing the congregation because the sole of his shoes had holes and he was embarrased for the people to see this. HOw the org. he was in believed : if they keep the preacher poor, it'll keep him humble"
Well, It is quite ironic that he would say this, because he is doing it to his ministers.
Most of them are making it pay check to pay check and some have bought houses but they can be moved and they'll have to sell their house and leave it all, just so they can be proven if they really "love God"
The thing that gets me is that briggs started that church in pasadena and helped pay for it by working endlessly to bring people in but in the end all that he worked for belongs to the org. and his own family will have to fend for themselves!
I remember when Rdub prophesied that everyone would compromise after he was gone and how he said that an holiness organization begins to compromise after 30 or 40 years. It looks like the dubster, I mean dumpster, I mean dupester got that one right except they are compromising right under his nose because he is still alive.
There you have it. Forget the stinkin org. The org leadership are the ones who need to be fending for themselves. They are nothing but a bunch of parasites and leeches. I do plan to start another thread but I want the next one to be the fund raiser for Mrs. Briggs and the kids. There are still some particulars that I'm trying to get worked out. I should know more soon. If it doesn't get worked out soon, I will start a different thread. Can't get into details here.
Don and Ange said...
It looks like the dubster, I mean dumpster, I mean dupester got that one right except they are compromising right under his nose because he is still alive.
Chief said...
I remember the dupester saying that also. Not only are they doing it right under his nose, he's approved it all. If he hadn't approved it, he would have told Mike Kekel to STEP DOWN and Tanya wouldn't be running anything but her mouth. Davis has enabled those two and his Grandson and that is a guaranteed fact and I can prove it to anyone wants the proof but it's been discussed enough times already right here. Davis was compromised from the start with all his double standards so he was full of it from the get go.
I remember when tk stood up and with a loud voice told mck that "he couldn't pay her enough to do it" When mck was thanking her for arranging the graduation after party.
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