Either the official NTCC website is wrong or the Atlanta church is down to only 2 services a week. You've got to be kidding me. Mr. Mayers would have placed us in guaranteed hell if we only made 2 services per week while my family was in the Atlanta church. Guaranteed HELL!!!! Do not pass go and do not collect $200. Blasted, belittled, raked over the coals, benched, blacklisted and shunned and that is just where the list starts. For the 18 months that my family attended the so called "church" in Atlanta we were in boot camp and Mayers was a hard, cold drill sergeant. I actually don't blame him. He was taught that garbage at the school of rules and he closely followed RWD and Olson's guidance. For the most part Mayers didn't think that garbage up on his own and of that I'm convinced. Kekel and Hunt like to blame Mayers but Mayers followed the NTCC leadership's guidance far more closely than Kekel ever dreamed of. Mayers messed up because he trusted Olson and RWD and he listened to other abusive NTCC pastors. I can't tell you how many times he raked my wife and I for some of the most nitpicken stuff which he learned at the NTCCs seminary otherwise know as the school of rules. Once again the NTCCs official website shows that services are being conducted only on Thursdays and ONCE on Sunday. Church appears to be held in a hotel from what I can tell looking at google earth which means they are going backward. It used to be in a store front for years. 1230 Sunday service is probably the only time the hotel will let them have the room. I wonder if Olson is still saying, "Were winning" because he must have said that at least 25 times while he was in Atlanta.
Buddy the more I dig around the more sickening it gets. I can't tell you how much money was put into that store front. Cantrell busted his butt totally remodeling it and my wife painted the nursery. We worked our tails off putting the pews in and it was all for NOTHING. Everyone got ran off and rather than upgrading to a stand alone building they appear to have down graded to a hotel or the NTCCs official website is dead wrong. There was a time you couldn't have convinced me that I'd see this day but nothing surprises me anymore with the NTCC. This is crazy. Only two services a week? I explicitly remember one night that S. Mayers was bragging to me about how much more progress he was making than other NTCC ministers in such a short period of time and I never forgot that. It would appear as though all his progress has reversed. When will people learn. Believe it or not this is actually sad for me to see because many people wasted a lot of time and money for the church in Atlanta. It is Pergamos and Laodicea put together. The NTCC will never learn but what do I know. I was just a church member. The facts speak for themselves.
Jeff
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Jeff, it is sad for those who invested time, toil, and tears in any ntcc program to go through this inevitable moment when they too realize it was all for nought; and the only one's to profit from their sacrifice are the rich fat cats in Washington.
Perhaps some of these poor folks will accept facts and see this loss as their wake-up call to cut their losses and leave the ntcc once and for all.
Somewhere the ntcc has thousands of these same people's dollars squirelled away in hidden escrow accounts that those people will never see. And while the rich in WA get richer, those people will never see a dime of all they have invested.
It is just like the money those people in Alaska gave in good faith, hoping to have a new place of worship. What happened to that $10,000 (ten thousand dollars)? ntcc moved the pastor,Vic Johanson; and ntcc zeroed out the escrow account. Even when Vic boldly challenged the Nepotists Take Cash Crooks roger w davis dodged the question as any lying politician...
It's sad to see more people getting taken; but as long as these Nepotists Take Cash Crooks are around the deception will continue; and the "little people" will suffer astounding losses!
Don and Ange
Don and Ange wrote...
and see this loss as their wake-up call to cut their losses and leave the ntcc once and for all.
Jeff said...
I like what you said; "cut their losses".
Because that is exactly what you have to do. "Cut your losses". Realize you've wasted your time, except that you've been had and move on. The NTCC system is not God's system. It's a broken system who's frequent outcome is evidenced the Atlanta church. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS and HOURS and SWEAT was poured into the Atlanta church for what I ask? I big resounding NOTHING!!!!
All the helpers that were sent down there to Atlanta. It was never about souls but about RWDs quest for expansion in a big city full of money that he'd never been able to concur. Pastor after pastor went to Atlanta with dreams of grandeur only to fail time and time again and Mayers was supposed to be the golden child but his outcome is now painfully obvious.
There were three helpers when I was there and what happened to all the time and money invested? It all got sucked up by Mayers failures and the NTCC leadership. The helpers would come to Atlanta and also fail and either leave the church altogether or leave Atlanta to go to another church. Thank God that my wife and I left Atlanta. It would almost be too much to bare to watch Mayers blindly follow his crooked leaders year after year while simultaneously refusing to listen to his helpers and other people in his church. I'm telling you that Mayers did have his issues but he did try to follow Olson's and RWD's guidance.
We went to conference and Kekel the con man taught the blitzkrieg soulwinning approach. When we got back to Atlanta, Mayers tried to follow it to the letter of the law. We were like soldiers going through Ranger School on our last 12 mile march. Kekel is full of it. I listened to what he taught and Mayers was pretty much right on point. Kekel always likes to say that people didn't listen but Mayers listened. Kekels program was like Bible boot camp. Meeting before soul winning, 100 doors, up and down stairs, meeting after soul winning for the itemized report times 2 written by hand. Discussing everything we'd done only to find ourselves too close to Sat evening service to even go home or if we did go home having to turn around and leave IMMEDIATELY. The NTCC SUCKS!!!!!!!! All this was done for NOTHING!!!!!! I could scream.
Thank GOD we left Atlanta!!!!!!!! Then we went to Columbus with Hunt and Oberhauser. Now Hunt and Oberhauser and their wives are four brainwashed individuals but buddy they weren't slave drivers. There were times that they wanted to be, but neither one of them had the heart. Hunt is just confused and Oberhauser doesn't know what in the world he's doing. Hunt is a good NTCC man, a self proclaimed, and I quote, "COMPANY MAN". That is what Hunt called himself. What does that tell you? Oberhauser would follow a blind mule if the mule could say "New Testament Christian Church." Hunt? Man I don't know. He and his wife think Kekel, RWD, Jones, Ashmore and Kinson walk on clouds. You've got to be one seriously blind dude to believe in Kekel and the Hunts seem to buy off on his deceit hook line and sinker. I wish Hunt was a big fish in the water because he'd take the hook every time.
Can you tell that I don't like the NTCC? It shouldn't take a genius to figure out.
Jeff
When in ntcc something I could never quite grasp and understand. While Pioneering a work in Minnesota. We would be out door knocking in ten degree's. It got much colder! Working our tails off handing out flyers,door knocking every Saturday,invite,invite,invite
BUT hardly anyone would come out. And if they came out,did not stay for long. All the while I would look around as we drove to church. Looking into other church parking lots. Which were FULL. They never went door knocking! Supposedly that is the recipe for sucess. Waste our time,door knocking on hundreds of doors a week. To get diddly squat for attandence. But that would be sacrificing for the work of God!
So how do other churches have filled pews. While I know other works that started when we did in MN. There still not bringing in any high numbers. Even having church service's where that man is paying for the rent. And NO ONE shows up!
One theory is we looked like we belong in the 1940-50's. So modern folks are not interested in coming. Ntcc churches have nothing to offer folks. Even a normal sunday school. Pioneer works have to scrap up even more of there own money to get sunday schools up and running.
Ntcc churches will never prosper the way mike K. wants them to prosper. Until he gets rid of ALL there old ways!
April
Jeff,
As you show us, a lot can be gleaned by going through the church locator on NTCC's official website (incomplete as it is).
For example, NTCC had over 150 churches less than 10 years ago; as of the beginning of this year they are barely over 100.
The Winter Park FL location is meeting in an Elk's Lodge.
Many don't have a Saturday service, and/or are still in the conference room of a hotel.
ASIDE: One location has been in a hotel conference room for over 16 years. NTCC Graham canceled its 4 July 2010 service to have a cookout; complete with worldly dress and sports (we all saw the pictures). Graduating classes are down to about twenty (we all see the pictures); from about 70 a few years ago.
Maybe some time next month I will go through the whole church locater, and provide a report (or someone could beat me to it).
Gregory
Thats not a bad idea Greg. I hadn't thought about it like that. I wouldn't know whether a church had down graded or up graded their building. Of course Atlanta was an exception because I used to go there and I know what they used to have and I know that a lot of money was put into it.
The NTCC is bad at wasting and squandering other peoples money. The next thread I start will probably deal with this topic.
Jeff
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