To the left is a picture of RWD taking off with all your hard earned cash. Jeff wrote...
This is the type of treatment you can expect to receive from R.W. Davis, AKA (RDUB) or (RWD) if you are a pastor in the New Testament Christian Church.
M.D. Reed a former NTCC pastor wrote....
When I arrived at the church in Killeen, TX, back in '05, I found that the buildings were dilapidated and literally falling apart! I made a call to RWD and he upbraided me, saying, all I want to do is spend money. I told him, sir, that's not true. I just see big needs down here and I want to correct them. I told him, I'll do the work, if you'll clear the expense". His statement to me was, "Well, how much money do you have in your general fund?" Well, that ended that conversation.
I was a little discouraged at this point because I was embarrassed to invite people to a place where the shingles were coming off the roofs, the parking lot was full of holes, the siding was rotting off the buildings, and the sign was falling apart and had a crooked cross on top. I was so ashamed and thought, Graham doesn't look like this.
The NTCC leaders have always taught that the churches should be an example to the community in appearance. Killeen was just flat out ugly and had been let go at this point in time.
So when I made my next escrow deposit, I calmly asked the teller, would you please write down the balance of this account so I can check it against my books? My books said zero. She started writing and just kept right on writing! The figure that she wrote down about knocked me on my "donkey"! A little redneck lingo there for ya! She wrote down the sum of $279,000.00.
My first thought was what "your pastor" said to me on the phone, "How much do you have in your GF?" So I couldn't wait to get in my van and make the call. I said to "your" pastor", Sir, there's $279,000 in the escrow here. We could build a whole new complex. All I want to do is make some repairs. He very sternly said to me, "Reed, that's not your money." I said, Sir, I know that. All I want to do fix this church up. It's not for me.
Two years went by and one day out of the blue, I got a phone call, Reed, we're going to do some work down there. I thought to myself, this is so typical. He's got it set up that he looks like the big savior coming on the scene, and lets the local pastor know who's really in charge. I thought, well, at least the buildings are going to get fixed now.
BTW, during our time in Killeen, we did take up special offerings for a brand new piano and church sign. Many times in my infamous "career" with NTCC
Jeff said...
It's crying shame and a recurring practice for New Testament Christian Church pastors to take up special offerings for keyboards and church signs when it's been proven that substantial amounts of money exist in the churches escrow accounts. For the record: I don't blame the individual church pastors as long as they get a conscience sooner than later and stop doing it. You pastors need to get control of these escrow accounts and stop allowing the NTCC leadership to motivate you to play these "crook" games. Stop bleeding your people every time you need money and start holding RWD's feet to the fire to come off the orgs cash or you should leave. I've read too many stories where church pastors have tried to use their church funds only to get shot down by the New Testament Christian Church leadership and more specifically RDUB the swindler. This is why I don't blame the church pastors, but the word is out now so ignorance ain't going to work when you stand before God. Man the most basic of fundamentals in Christianity is to love they neighbor. How can you claim to love them when you knowingly take their money when it's not even needed? Would you want them to do that to you? You don't think church members need money also? What if I went to my pastor and asked for help paying my mortgage when I knew I had ten times the amount needed to take care of it? What do you think he'd call me if he found out? A crook and a swindler. Well that is R.W. Davis and Kekel and Olson and the whole general board. RDUB has taught them how to be crooks and now they think is just "good business"; well it's not. Church members are being taken advantage of. NTCC pastors have told me, "well you got to have a back up fund". Rubbish.
Have RWD and Kekel stop living like Kings and there is your back up fund. Sell all the RV's and drive like normal people and there is your back up fund. RDUB is a crook. If you've ever given money to the NTCC (like I did) for things like church signs, (like I did) then you got taken to the cleaners. You got bamboozled, hoodwinked, and the big flim flam. The NTCC leadership will absolutely take up special offerings and raise money to pay for expensive church upgrades when substantial amounts of money already exist in the church accounts.
For those of you who don't understand what I'm saying let me spell it out for ya. It's like your child coming to you and asking for yet more money to attend a field trip, when you've already given your child the money and more than was needed in the first place. Then you give them the extra money that they asked for, just to find out that they had more than enough money which they never even used. Do you get it now? This has happened over and over again in the NTCC. I wrote a check for $150 to pitch in for a church sign when I now know that without doubt the NTCC had more than enough money for 1000 church signs 50 times over. To make a long story short, they'd rather spend your money than theirs, and guys like me were stupid enough to keep kicking it out. You are a flat out idiot if you keep giving money to the NTCC now that you know the obvious. The NTCC leadership USES people and it's just that simple. They'd let you give your last dime before they'd part with their millions and then they claim that it was your duty and you really should have given more.
The NTCC sucks.
Jeff
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«Oldest ‹Older 401 – 405 of 405Don and Ange said...
"You are just supposed to blindly take their word for it and do what they tell you to do with unwavering loyalty."
Yep, we are coming out of the dark ages and into the enlightenment. Thank God for the internet! This is perhaps the strongest tool against church overlords!
"Fred says:
I have to concur with Vic. I remember this group and I remember statements made about "No one will be blacklisted for asking......" etc etc.
Suffice it to say, the private, internal blacklisting commenced against anyone who said anything negative. That includes RB. Many posed questions, but RB did put his neck out farther than any other and he now has a reputation for it that is essentially permanent.
That's a good thing really, because RB is a good agent of change."
The fact that they haven't run Robert off yet is evidence of how hard up they are for loyal tithe payers these days. If they believed someone was even thinking some of the things he's said out loud they would have rebuked him publicly 20 years ago. But it's a different story now; their coffers aren't overflowing as rapidly, and we know that mammon is the NTCC leadership's real god.
Vic says ...
"That's a good thing really, because RB is a good agent of change."
Vic, I have no quarrel with you, good Sir knight, but again I ask, "how is RB 'a good agent of change' for NTCC? And how did he 'stick his neck out' for anyone besides Kekel? I see him stick his neck out continually on this blog for Kekel but not for the little people in NTCC. And as I have said before, I am quite sure it was Briggs that was calling a woman stupid on Kekel's blog for 'sticking her neck out' to point out that the NTCC promoted things that caused her to make decisions that she believed negatively affected her family.
This is a great mystery to me. I have asked this same question to Jeff over and over, and I keep getting no response from Jeff. I asked Briggs and he didn't deny it (about calling the woman stupid and any others who followed Davis' council). I only remember Briggs making negative comments about people who seemed to have legitimate grievances.
Briggs made some super general statement on his blog about having questions about the why's and wherefores of the org (something to that extent). That is so general a statement and lacks any substance of anything. I don't think Briggs is any agent of change. He has stood up to no one in my opinion. He continues to defend questionable practices of the NTCC and that's all I see. Is there some secret I am not aware of?
Totally bewildered (Kris)
"That's a good thing really, because RB is a good agent of change."
I didn't say that; I quoted someone else. Check the thread again. I don't think RB will be bringing change at all; he just brands himself as someone who is not 100% "loyal," to the "man of God" and as I've said, his kind of dissent wouldn't have been tolerated for five minute twenty or thirty years back. Now they tolerate him not being totally in the boat, but that doesn't mean that they're going to change just because he "stuck his neck out." They only even tolerate his actions for a couple of reasons: it helps spin them as far more tolerant than they actually are or ever have been, and they're also desperate for faithful contributors. Things aren't as flush these days.
I remember what RWD taught us in one of his "church building" classes. He said that preachers need to hesitate before they run a tithe payer off, and they need to think hard before doing so about how they will replace the income to the church that will be lost. They don't have as many experienced pastors to send out to shore up works when other ministers wake up and cut loose from the millstone that they've become. No doubt they don't see a replacement anyplace convenient for the dollars that Robert brings to the table. So the put up with his irritating but basically toothless criticisms. He's no more than a useful idiot to them.
RW genuinely does look at the church as a business, and has been upfront about admitting it. It's all about dollars and cents, which is why they want to have a half dozen services a week--the plate will be going around, along with a potent reminder that "all Christians pay tithe AND give offerings."
Sorry for the misquote, Vic!
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