We all know that NTCC women have never been allowed to wear makeup for any reason, or they were considered "Hell Bound". Well every woman would have been considered "Hell Bound" except, Sis Johnson and maybe a few select others that I don't know of. All other NTCC women were going to hell if they even tried it, and for those ladies, there were no exceptions authorized to that rule for ANY REASON. Once again; can you spell double standard. Well without further ado, posted below is the statement that was written and posted on FACTNet by the exNTCC Minister who got sick and tired of the NTCC double standards so he left.
ExNTCC Minister said...
"I also learned with the Johnson’s that not all make-up is make-up. Sis Johnson told me and my wife that she wears some kind of cover up for her rosy cheeks condition. My wife was blown away. Sis. Johnson said she did not consider it make-up."
Jeff said...
Here is the way I see it. I understand that Mrs. Johnson has a skin condition and I have no problem with her not only feeling the need to, but also actually covering it up with makeup. Well guess what? Do you know how many NTCC women have some kind of skin problem whether it be acne, or some kind of mild skin blotches, or they just don't like the coloration of their skin and as a result they would rather alter their skin color with makeup? I'm sure plenty.
So what does this mean? That Mrs. Johnson gets a break because her husband is a leader in the church!!! Period.
The NTCC stinks!!!
Jeff Collins
Oh, incidentally: NTCC folks always like to say that we are nothing but a bunch of fault finders. I'm not the one who tried to enforce the rule of wearing No makeup in the first place; it was the NTCC.
The NTCC has Found Fault with every woman in history who has worn makeup. So don't say I'm the fault finder when I'm simply highlighting the occurrence of one of your own ladies breaking your OWN RULE. You hypocrites don't have any problem finding fault with EVERYONE ELSE who wears makeup. How about starting with one of your own like Mrs. Johnson who is NOT a Church Member. You won't because you are too weak.
68 comments:
speaking of double standards, i was asking a 'brother' about the in ground pool that seems to be being built at the Kinson's new house and his reaction was
"sis kinson is extremely obese and has many physical problems and may need it for her disabilities"
geez....i guess if you let yourself go and get really fat you can break the rules!??? just a question...
...oh i forgot.....she is Johnson's daughter, that solves it for us, if mom can break the rules so can daughter
for the record: rev kinson married well huh?
a guaranteed position and new house!!!
t
I'm not saying you are wrong t because personally I don't know. However for the record; I have no idea whether or not the Kinson's are having an in ground pool built at a new house.
What I do know is that the brothers response to you was typical NTCC justification garbage.
They figure out every reason imaginable to justify why it's ok for them to break their own rules.
The worst justification they give is when they say they are more spiritual most other NTCC folks and they can handle things that they know will become a stumbling block to the average church member.
Jeff,
I guess Sis Kinson will need to cover her face with makeup due to her skin breaking out in a rash due to the profuse sweating she will be doing as she is sipping sweet tea by the pool.
Wait a minute: Synaptic nerves in my brain are telling me....In order to Get In The Water Sister Kinson will need to WEAR A BATHING SUIT!! So maybe ANON you can ask that brother if Sis Kinson will be wearing a dress when she gets into the pool!!
Putting on makeup is only the latest NTCC "Coverup"
Bro Johnson
mlj,
i actually asked the 'brother' how sis kinson was going to "bathe" without wearing a bathing suit and he said that it wouldnt be an issue because of her obesity!!! that nobody was going to be lusting after her
(this conversation had taken place in all seriousness and sincerity, although it seems like it may have been a mocking tone, it wasn't)
my point is- there is ALWAYS an excuse or rationalization to justify there beliefs wether they be blatantly wrong or just plain "quirky"
t
you know....
We could make millions if we used ntcc as a movie satire!!!!
think of the characters:
crazy, narcisist Davis
the oh so sincere, gullible "just like Jesus" Ohlson
the loopy gypsy, witch dr. -ashmore
the spoiled, 'get her own way all the time' daughter- tanya
the "dont screw up a good thing" son in law- mike
the obese relative- sis kinson
and think of all the shots we could take of Brothers mowing the kekels lawn with a big smile on their face and quoting "i love serving Gaaaawd"
it would probably gross 100 million on its first weekend!!
it would be hilarious
***the problem is, its NOT a movie, its real life!!!!!!***
please contact me with any further production ideas :))))
t
This is typical ntcc. Someone "explains" why it is OK for someone to do something you aren't, but I guarentee that they didn't ask Rev. Kinson about it. They just give the first justification they can think of, because they know there is no justification for it, and they have to make ntcc look good.
Well for all of you that have always found fault with t. kekel's hair, guess what? She is letting her hair grow and she looks very holiness now. Also ms. johnson looked quite rosy in her cheeks, maybe she is not wearing that cover up anymore.
"she's looking very holiness now"... as opposed to... not looking very holiness before? Anonymous, ntcc puts the only proof your a Christian on outward holiness, instead of Christian actions where it belongs. Jesus plainly taught that the Pharisees main fault was that they emphasized outward show, rather than inner works. This is the same sin that ntcc is guilty of.
Wow! an in ground pool? do you have the coordinates for it so we can check it out on google earth? Do we know for sure that this is the house being built for the Kinsons? I don't want to burst any bubbles here, but it seems we have made too many assumptions in the past. If we have solid proof on the other hand, it would be great!
I have been part of the internet traffic surrounding this subject of a swimming pool for a while now and I am not so sure that this pool belongs to Kinson or Kekel. It originally started out to be Kekels new house with a pool and then someone came on Tracy’s blog and said that wasn't the case. Someone else said the house with the pool in question belongs to a builder with no affiliation to the NTCC. Then someone said that Kinson was having a house built because he is the pastor at Graham. The truth is I don't know what the story is and I won't until I get some hard facts. I have heard conflicting stories. I would like solid proof because at this point I don't know of any unless there is something that I missed. However it may be valid so at this point I don't want to make any ASSUMPTIONS either way. For sure if Kinson isn't having a pool built, none of this stuff needs to be written and I'll need to delete all statements suggesting the existance of such a pool. I ask that someone please provide information that you have genuine knowledge of such a pool.
t or anyone else: Do you know this to be a fact? I noticed that “t” was careful to write that it "seems" as though it is being built at Kinson's new house. I think that t used the word "seems" as a disclaimer to suggest the lack of verifiable facts in this case and if I am right, I don't blame him a bit. I will tell you this. I wouldn't mind having an in ground pool in my back yard. For all it's worth RWD who is a crook did say in conference that swimming in a pool is not wrong if you can exercise enough privacy while swimming.
RWD is a hypocrite anyway because there have been so many stories about his adulterous affairs and his daughters illegitimate birth that it is not even funny. RWD raised even more suspicions when he told his story of Tanya’s birth in conference some years ago. RWDs wife is not Tanya’s biological mother but the question is whether or not RWD is her biological father. Based on the story that he spoke of openly in conference and I heard it myself, one would conclude that RWD may very well have been Tanya's biological father. So what does that equate to? Holiness hypocrite committing adultery potentially for years while preaching against everyone else who might commit the same sin. A guy that went by the screen name "seerofthings", who's real name is Darwin Durek wrote on factnet that RWD left St. Louis because he was having all kinds of problems in the Carondelet church with women claiming he committed Adultery. Too many other folks have said the same thing about RWD. Here is Darwins statements: Below I copied and pasted them.
"There was a big-blow up in Carondelet Church. 3 women accused the leader of adultery. We started church on Forest Avenue. The leader left town under advice of his peers.
Actually when we started on Forest Ave. 1974- RWD was out of town taking advice of peers to get out of town for awhile- till it (the storm) blew over.
The storm yes, of the accusations of adultery... all I know is when I arrived- 1974 Oct the very night the place was in an uproar!"
Seerofthings
Darwin Durek
So what do you think of that?
I am convinced that RWD is a dog. Ruff, ruff and I have enough evidence to consider these allegations a whole lot more than simply speculation.
Jeff
Casey said something to me today that I though was funny. He said I guess torture isn't torture when you call it excessive interrogation. In like manner I guess makeup isn't makeup when you call it cover-up. Ha, ha.
I'll tell you what it is. The NTCC doing the old cover-up. You know the whole topic is really no big deal but it just shows you really how they are.
Jeff
Anonymous said...
Wow! an in ground pool? do you have the coordinates for it so we can check it out on google earth? Do we know for sure that this is the house being built for the Kinsons? I don't want to burst any bubbles here, but it seems we have made too many assumptions in the past. If we have solid proof on the other hand, it would be great!
Jeff said...
I strongly suspect that the Anonymous poster, who wrote the above statement is an NTCC minister. It's either that or someone who is somewhat dramatic or they are trying to come across as such. It may even be Kinson himself. What makes me believe that is the part where Anon wrote "it would be great". Believe it or not folks the majority of people who post here don't sit back and get giggles and become all happy when we think of another topic. If there is humor involved than great but in the context that Anon used the word great? No. I don't sit back and say, "oh wow, that's great that we just were able to prove that more slop exists within the NTCC.
I would be amazed if Anon were any other than an NTCC minister. I sincerely could be wrong but I doubt it. I may be reaching here, but I suspect that Anon is not only an NTCC minister but also someone who knows about any house that Kinson may or may not be having built. And by the way Anon: I don't think that we have made too many assumptions in the past. There MAY have been a few but I guarantee that they were based largely on facts. I have dug up so much dirt on many of these NTCC leaders that nothing surprises me about them any more. RWD, Olson and Kekel are as crooked as they get and of that much I AM SURE with no assumptions involved.
Jeff
Jeff,
Let's be accurate here--It's NOT a swimming pool, it's a large baptismal with a diving board!
there is solid proof of a pool.
whose it is and what is the purpose, no one knows.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=21224+Orting+Kapowsin+Hwy+E,+Graham,+WA+98338&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=34.176059,79.101563&ie=UTF8&ll=47.060024,-122.253979&spn=0.000897,0.002414&t=h&z=19
I know of the house with the pool. I've looked at it also on Google earth. The question is who does it belong to? There has been quite a bit of friendly debate over this house because no one seems to know for sure other than someone who claimed to on Tracy's blog who said that the house had nothing to do with the NTCC. This is when we could use a good mole to get the facts straight.
Jeff.
if you go to street view you'll see a sign. can't make out what it is but the font is in ntcc style
keep driving north and you'll see its the common house / dorm house next to it which is ntcc style.
one thing i would like to point out:
the fact that NOBODY knows who's house it is is rather odd and disturbing
there is an air of secrecy in all that ntcc does. that tells you something about them
btw- Casey that was hilarious, "a baptismal with a diving board"
for the superspiritual no doubt, maybe ashmore requested it!!
t
Well,
Only one way to find out about the pool debacle.
Some brother over in Graham go over and knock on the door and invite the folks to church!
You may not only get a cold shoulder, you'll get preached and blasted from the pulpit the same night! What brother deserves anything less?
Too afraid to go soul winning at the house? No problem! That is why you have UPS. Simply contact UPS to get the info on who lives there. Explain to UPS that you have a package that you need to deliver to the residence but that you need to confirm if "Kinson is still residing at the address"
It is getting hot outside. Why not just climb the fense and go for a swim? I am sure you will discover the home occupants very quickly. Just get saved right there again, ask for forgiveness and everything is gonna be alright!! Preach it Brother!!!
Man, you all need to pray that I PCS to Fort Lewis. I would turn NTCC upside down in every legal avenue of approach possible!!
Bro Johnson is OUT!!!
Since I am on a roll,
As one NTCC minister stated years ago.
Justified means "Just if I'd never sinned".
Bro Johnson
.. And,
The Saduccees were Sad, you See?
Bro Johnson
..and Victoria's secret:
One day Victoria's secret will be exposed and open for ALL to see!!
Bro Johnson
Dear Mike Kekel:
Here is some words of wisdom for you. Preached by some of your preachers but not practiced:
To whom much is given, much is required.
To whom much is forgiven, the same loveth much.
God can do alot with a little.
God can do more in one minute than would take man 1,000 years to do.
All diamonds had their beginnings as lumps of coal.
God has already done all He needed to do and then some for you to get saved.
The hardest step is always the first. Jesus already led the way. All you have to do is follow.
Are you checking out your mate? Checkmate!
If you don't practice hygenie, you can't say, "Hi, Jean" (Note: Not allowed under current NTCC rules)
Even the devil comes to church, and you want to stay home?
With God, everyday is Christmas, New Years, and Easter wrapped up in one.
Have a blessed Day!!
Bro Johnson
ntcc,
Jesus said there is nothing hid that shall not be made known.
Jesus was the First Ranger. He Led The Way!!
Bro Johnson
Sis. Johnson said she did not consider it make-up."
Yea, right. I didn't inhale either or have sexual realtions with Monica Lewinsky!!
I get the feeling that we are more concerned about Sister Kinson's obesity (ITS A BEAST) than she is!!
Oh by the way, if she would quit taking birth control pills she would slim down as well.
That is what they advocate in NTCC. No babies. Women married to Ministers must take Birth Control Pills. Then they BLOW UP
Bro Johnson
Sorry to sound overly enthusiastic Jeff... I just wanted to make sure we weren't pushing forward too fast with nothing to stand on. I think some of the other posts have brought out some more solid proof. The location of the pool seems to be such that the house next to it can see right into it. There couldn't possibly be much privacy there. If either of these houses belongs to NTCC in any way, there are bound to be problems with the setup.
Hey everyone,
I all fairness, let's not assume that Kinson or anyone else has a pool with out real proof. I looked at it on Google Earth and I'm not convinced that's an ntcc house, despite it's nearness to the campus. There is a new house just built next to Davis'. Surely someone local could verify it.
Also, please no personal attacks on fat people. People are fat for alot of different reasons. Not trying to rain on the parade, but I do want this blog to be fair so ntcc can't find fault. Thanks.
Pastor Davis own wife, Verna, wears make-up. The person who gave me this information has been in the car, with Verna, when Verna has applied it.
The source is unimpeachable. If I told you who the source is, you would agree.
I don’t care who wears makeup, but if you preach against it, you and your family shouldn’t do it.
pdq
I have addressed this before on Tracy's blog...The thing that pegs this property as NTCC's (to me at least) is the standard NTCC dorm style box house next to the Mansion. Who else but NTCC does this? Its proximity to the main campus is not relevant to my interim conclusion.
That being said, you are all right...definitive proof is needed.
pdq
The house next to Davis' is definitely an ntcc property. My question is about the house with the pool.
Oh hear the uproar. The Kinsons don't have a pool and her mother did not nor does she now, wear make up. I know the person who said this and she jumped to conclusions; there are many types of creams for skin conditions, and that doesn't make it make up.
Well, it's so hard to keep up with all the changes going on at ntcc. It wouldn't surprise me if woman wear pants soon.
Oh,my! Maybe you haven't been in ntcc that long to even ask about the women wearing pants. The women I have been around they all had had some form of pants whether they'd be pajamas or sweats to exercise in, they just don't wear them in public unless they join a gym for women only like "curves" but to say that they don't have pants is ludicrous.
Casey said..."The house next to Davis' is definitely an ntcc property. My question is about the house with the pool."
My comment was about the house with the pool, since that is what I thought was being discussed. The dual house w/pool property viewed via 'google earth' link provided above.
If you go to the street view, you will see the box house in front of the Mansion is an NTCC dorm style house.
pdq
So if the leaders wive's are not full of vain. Why does Verna wear a Wig. ALL THE TIME! who care's if her hair is thin. Look around ntcc ministers wive's. You will find ladies with very thin hair,some extremely thick hair.... And what about Verna and her foundation she wears? What is your excuse for that one?
Or how Tanya will not allow her hair to grow. And keeps it at the awful looking Bob hair Duo! Both her and Verna make sure they don't have those UGLE poof hair duo's. That so many in ntcc have. Or then you have women with hair down to there butts. Trying to wear there hair with no clip,headband,ect. With it flopping into there face.So how does that look. A woman goes up to the BANK PRESIDENT. Ask him or HER out to Church. And her hair keeps flopping into her face. ntcc is All about appearance. lets not be first into a style or the last one out of that style.
AS IF ntcc was ever IN STYLE!! That statement that olson loves to share in his PT classes. What a joke. Nobody in ntcc has any fashion sense. Even Tanya and her ugle lime green dress or her dark purple blazers. GUESS what ladies,your SHOES are not SUPPOSED to match YOUR DRESS!!!!!
CM
Anonymous said...
I know the person who said this and she jumped to conclusions
Jeff said...
pdq said that Verna also wears makeup. Is he jumping to conclusions also? He said that it was verified by an extremely credible source.
pdq also said: "I don’t care who wears makeup, but if you preach against it, you and your family shouldn’t do it."
Jeff said...
I totally agree with pdq. Do you know how many times I have heard an NTCC preacher preach about the appearance of evil? I don't either because it is too many to count or possibility remember. For a husband and a wife to conclude that Sis Johnson wears some kind of cover up / make up certainly would create the appearance of evil being that the NTCC has preached against it for years. I witnessed a pastor accuse my wife of having on makeup directly to our faces which actually I can respect vs him taking it to the pulpit which he normally did. My wife is a smooth dark skinned black woman and she had not ONE SPECK of makeup on at all. The pastor who also is a black man; specifically Stanley Mayers apparently hadn't been very close to many dark skinned black women when he made the accusation because he couldn't tell the difference between a smooth dark skied woman and a woman who made her skin smooth and dark with makeup.
Whats my point here? The NTCC has been on a makeup wearing witch hunt for quite a while now so when someone like Sis Johnson doesn't abstain from the appearance of evil she is going to be scrutinized and quite likely rightly so.
As far as the house and pool goes; I Jeff Collins, who happens to be one of the caretakers of this blog made it very clear for the record that I had not seen or heard what I would consider verifiable proof a any NTCC owned pool. And also for the record, I said that RWD stated in conference that having a pool wasn't a problem if it could be maintained private. I was not one sided by any means concerning this matter. Read all my responses starting at the very first one concerning this matter. I am not one sided like the NTCC crooks and I also encourage people of a different opinion to post on this blog unlike Communist Kekel.
Anonymous said..."Oh hear the uproar. The Kinsons don't have a pool and her mother did not nor does she now, wear make up. I know the person who said this and she jumped to conclusions; there are many types of creams for skin conditions, and that doesn't make it make up."
I don't know if Sister Johnson wears makeup, but I do know Verna Davis does. Unless she has recently stopped.
Regarding 'cream' for skin conditions...Pastor Davis has also preached against wearing the tinted Clearasil ™ cream and the tinted Chapstic ™ because, "...it is the same as makeup." Even a product as innocuous as foundation (whether cream or powder) has been preached against by Pastor Davis.
What sister Davis wears is not a cream for skin problems, but over the counter makeup she applies in the traditional way, and for the traditional reasons 'sinners (NTCC's word)' wear it. If you want to know what brand, and what products, you will have to ask her.
Of course, if you do ask her, ensure you also get her to clarify that she has never worn any type of makeup since her husband started NTCoG or NTCC. If she denies it, she is lying (unless you didn't ask the question in a thorough way with any needed followup questions for clarification).
Then there is Pastor Davis prohibition (policy) against using Sun-In ™ to lighten hair (Tanya has lightened her hair) because it is the same as dying it, so says Pastor Davis. Again, to find out Tanya's method for lightening her hair over the years, you will have to ask her.
Swimming has never been prohibited by Pastor Davis, only 'mixed bathing (unless between husband and wife)'...which amounts to the same thing as a prohibition against swimming.
The issue of Tanya Kekel's beyond snug clothing has already been discussed, so we will not discuss it here.
If you didn't already know, what have you learned from this pdq comment?...Sister Davis wears makeup, Tanya Kekel lightens her hair, Tanya Kekel wears her clothes way to tight, and we can all go swimming...as long as the opposite sex, that is not your spouse, are not able to see you.
pdq
PS: Two other thing that I would like to see discussed are:
1. Pastor Davis has often told us it is not a sin to smoke, yet many NTCC Preachers lambaste 'cigarette sucking saints.' To include Pastor Davis.
2. Gluttony. That Pastor Davis, and many others, are gluttons is inarguable. Yet Pastor Davis frequently shares "I can't remember the last time I sinned." Why doesn't Pastor Davis Holy Ghost infused memory recount to him how much he has eaten that day, when he states this? Unless, of course, he is on one of his many fad diets.
pdq
PDQ,
I don't know if i agree with you on gluttony. Being obese doesn't necessarily make you a glutton.
WTE
pdq wrote...
1. Pastor Davis has often told us it is not a sin to smoke, yet many NTCC Preachers lambaste 'cigarette sucking saints.' To include Pastor Davis.
Jeff said...
I don't care if it is a sin to smoke. I think it is a nasty habit. Smokers historically throw their cigarette butts everywhere. I would say that at least 15% of parent smokers ride in their car smoking with their kids present in the car with them. I personally feel that smoking is an absolutely terrible habit. Sin or no sin, no one will smoke in my house or car for certain and I am not interested in frequenting or eating in any establishment that allows smoking. I don't even like to be around smokers that smoke outside. One of the few things that I dislike more than cigarette smoke is an NTCC double standard hypocrite.
Jeff
WTE,
You don't have to be fat to be a glutton.
I have posted on this topic before, and can post it again if Jeff wants...if you have ever seen Pastor Davis eat, when he isn't in a restaurant (and he doesn't usually eat in the fellowship hall, he eats after church, unless at conference...but then he also eats after this in the Lodge), and noted both the volume and voracity of it, you would not question my assertion. Just catch him when he is really hungry, and hasn't pre-eaten before a meal in public.
Then there is the oft sited 'appearance of evil' consideration. Everyone (yes, everyone) assumes a morbidly obese person is this way because they eat too much, too fast, too often.
Pastor Davis is able to loose a lot of weight when he wants to, thus proving to us all he doesn't have a 'gland' problem.
Also, since Pastor Davis doesn't have a gland problem, his 'at times' 50 plus inch waist (he is 5" 10" tall) indicates a problem with self control...at least where food is concerned. This is what gluttony is, allowing ones self to be ruled by food...no moderation.
Very few of us make statements we can't support; that aren't based on publicly verifiable data.
pdq
...pdq I wasn't specifically referring to how Davis eats, because I don't know him like that.
I was just pointing out that gluttony doesn't necessarily apply only to the obese.
-sheeesh
WTE
WTE said..."...pdq I wasn't specifically referring to how Davis eats, because I don't know him like that. I was just pointing out that gluttony doesn't necessarily apply only to the obese. -sheeesh WTE"
But you did say..."PDQ,
I don't know if i agree with you on gluttony."
Which is what I was responding to. you said you didn't agree, and I was defending my statement. Unless you meant you don't agree gluttony is a sin. This would be another long pdq post, from which I will spare everyone...this time.
-sheeesh back at you,
pdq
sheeesh to all! Ha, ha.
I think what WTE was saying is that not all obese people are necessarily gluttons. I would agree.
Now I also don't think that pdq was suggesting that in the first place. He was specifically referring to RWD. That was also a legitimate assessment.
So where is the disconnect?
I think what we have here is one of those misunderstandings that often take place on these blogs. It is not always easy to interpret what someone else is trying to say when they are not actually right there talking to you face to face. So once again Sheeesh. Ha, ha.
Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night. As Olson always likes to say; we're winning. We are hot on the NTCC's trail.
Jeff
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Sorry about that! I just started speaking in tongues!
MLJ
That was funny. LOL
Jeff
MLJ,
Your 한국말 is atrocious.
-sheeesh,
pdq
Anonymous said..."Well for all of you that have always found fault with t. kekel's hair, guess what? She is letting her hair grow and she looks very holiness now."
This also proves what we have been saying...Tanya Kekel employed a method which keep her hair short. When she stopped her not-so-secret rebellion against her father's long hair 'policy' it became visibly longer. Now if she would just stop lightening her hair.
pdq
why dont they become real holiness as a matter of the heart instead of looking holiness ?
i know christians that dont look holiness, but they aren't hypocrites.
is it like the pharisee that said i do this and i do that God and i'm not like those sinners ?
and the other person said God be merciful to me ?
And Jesus said the latter went away right with God ? (paraphrase)
All you Brothers and Sheesh-sters,
No offense takin'at the friendly banter.
I often wonder about the double standards that have taken place. Perhaps those higher ups have grown weary of following the "rules", or (this is purely speculative)perhaps it is indeed open rebellion. The pastor can only preach about something so many times before he moves on. Perhaps there is an underlying current of dissent. How many times have you all done something while in, and said,"I don't care what Pastor so-so thinks, it is going to be ...x...y...and z."
For instance I remember talking to some NTCC-ers about a subject, then apologizing because I forgot that they were not allowed to partake in what I was talking about. The couple said "Aww its alright, we don't always follow the rules." Makes ya go....
Hmmmm
Waiting to Exhale
why dont they become real holiness as a matter of the heart instead of looking holiness ?
You are right Anon.
They don't because they are caught up in idolatry. That is what essentially this fake holiness is.
"God you dying on the cross wasn't enough for me, therefore I am going to put on these man-made rules." It is man worship at its best!
PDQ,
Your Hangul is better than mine!!
MLJ
If Tanya is now allowing her hair to grow. So correct,for MANY years she did get perms to keep her hair much shorter then other ladies in ntcc.
Let's watch and see how long she allows her hair to grow. She will get to the stage where she can no longer do her CUTE bob hair duo. It will become so long and heavy and UGLE!
Use those hot sticks Tanya. Let them Fry your hair. Your split ends will be showing. Use more curlers,fry more hair! Won't take long. She will lose her cuteness.
Holiness is not how long your hair,wearing ugle out of style dresses,or those ugle long silk shirts the men wore.Wingtips,slicked parted mens hair. On and on.
Those of you that still live this way. Take a step back. Do you think your a better Christian because you look this way. NO WAY! I have met much stronger Christians then most in ntcc. You guys do not walk the walk and talk the talk! You walk how rw wants you to walk,you talk to rw allows you to talk to.
CM
CM,
Good points. One of things that got me really thinking hard about holiness was the fact that I met alot of Christians that were not holiness. They were better Christians than "holiness" Christians in so many ways. They actually practiced the fruits of the Spirit, and had more love, compassion, common decency, and we real people; unlike a typical ntcc person who is judgmental, harsh, lacking compassion or love, proud, bossy, and jacking people up. Because of this I rejected holiness as a farce and a man-made doctrine.
Also, to believe that ntcc and their "holiness" are right with God is also to believe that 95% of Christians churches are wrong and not right with God. Does anybody really think that ONLY ntcc is going to Heaven and the 95% of Christian churches are going to hell? And why is it that 95% of churches don't believe in holiness? Could it be that they realize it is not required by God, and ntcc is wrong? It's either one or the other-- it can't be both ways. Either ntcc and all it's messed up ways is the correct way, or all the other churches are going and ntcc is not.
Casey,
Where there is "holiness" secret sin abounds.
look at this verse about holiness.
i'm not talking about ntcc style holiness...
romans 6:22
But now being mad free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
so, having given your life to God, right there everyone has their fruit unto holiness.
where does all that ntcc stuff come in ?
It is sad when a sinner has more compassion on a Christian than Fellow Christians do.
"But, Lord, Lord, look at what I did! I built a Bible College in Graham in your name! I built a Tabernacle! I sent missionaires all over the world to preach the Gospel! I started Churches all over the United States! People Got saved!"
Depart from me, ye worker of iniquity, for I never knew thee.
MLJ
Jeff said...
Here is Darwins statements: Below I copied and pasted them.
"There was a big-blow up in Carondelet Church. 3 women accused the leader of adultery. We started church on Forest Avenue. The leader left town under advice of his peers.
Actually when we started on Forest Ave. 1974- RWD was out of town taking advice of peers to get out of town for awhile- till it (the storm) blew over.
The storm yes, of the accusations of adultery... all I know is when I arrived- 1974 Oct the very night the place was in an uproar!"
Seerofthings
Darwin Durek
So what do you think of that?
I am convinced that RWD is a dog. Ruff, ruff and I have enough evidence to consider these allegations a whole lot more than simply speculation.
You're really racking up the evidence here Jeff! So this is the notorious accusation that everyone considers so credible that it must have happened. I think you just need something to accuse NTCC and Pastor Davis of. Do you think this one testimony from someone we know nothing about would hold up in any kind of court?
Besides, David committed adultery and everyone left the kingdom and they burned all of the psalms he wrote and refused to ever sing them again because they were written by an obvious hypocrite! Right? no.
What you folks seem to be lacking is the ability to forgive, even if the action wasn't committed against you. And if Pastor did commit adultery, God has since proven Himself to be with him. What if we were to find every little instance of error in your past and just drag it out in the open for everyone to trash you over it? I'm leaving a few things out because this is already a long post, but, perhaps to my detriment, I am expecting the readers of this to be able to think on their own and understand what I am posting.
Anon May 14 0946hrs
Its not the fact that he what Davis did was in the past. He has not shown mercy where he should have, preachers(wives) have been publicity embarrassed for committing adultery. Church members have been BANNED from the organization for adultery. Members have been falsely accused of sexual impropriety, under his leadership. Lastly, he has claimed to have NEVER sinned since being saved. So his past does have present relevance.
Anon
More baseless claims from anon...
Go ahead Jeff, delete it again.
Hey Jeff, how about more proof than just some weirdo who calls himself seerofthings who nobody knows. The only reason you people believe him is because he tells a story you want to hear. Unless there is more proof, which I have yet to see.
Nothing baseless about it Anon.
RW would not preach "and some of you Preacher's wives , accepting gifts from GIs..." just for the heck of it!
so I guess RW was launching a baseless attack, for preaching material!
Anon 3:16
For the record there are other female witnesses out there which have for quite some time told of RWDs inappropriate sexual activity. I could care less if RWD screwed every female that he could get his hands on which actually seems to have been the case based on the testimonies that WOMEN have written about RWD.
I just can't stand a hypocrite and I'll tell you something else. If any of these women who have stated that RWD had sexual relations with them want to openly come on this blog and write their story, I have no problem with that but I won't be the one to do it. I have read their stories because this is not the only place that exNTCC folks post on. Too many folks who have been around the NTCC for a long time are saying the same thing about RWD and his sexual impropriety.
I can't stand a hypocrite who preaches against everyone else while they commit the same sins.
You can say what you want about Darwin Durek but the guy was in fact there and he is not some fictitious character. Ask anyone who has been around the NTCC for a long time. The guy is real and his testimony is what he witnessed. I could care less what he calls himself and that was a screen name anyway. At least he posted his real name after seer-of-things. You go by Anonymous which is fine but it doesn't give you much room to talk about his screen name.
Jeff
"Hey Jeff, how about more proof than just some weirdo who calls himself seerofthings who nobody knows."
Nobody who's wet behind their ears with NTCC may know him (they don't seem to know much else about their "church" either), but he was one of my teachers when I went to BS in St. Louis, and you can see his photo over at NTCCxposed.com in the old "college" (back when they tried to pass it off as a college) handbook. RW treated him like crap and ran him off; same old story. But he was there when it all went down, and unfortunately drank the koolaid with the rest of those who stuck by the horny old goat when his sin was exposed.
At least he eventually woke up. But (as PT Barnum may or may not have said) there's a sucker born every minute, and NTCC is right there for them.
This question is for Darwin Durek,
Mr. Durek, from viewing the 'student handbook' that Vic mentioned you were obviously on staff.
Could you please inform us if you do actually have a Bachelor's of Theology degree?
If not could you please make us aware of how the staff were "given" there degrees? are they just made up? or are they "honorary"?
i think your answer on this subject would shed much light on the mystery of Davis's "doctorate degree"
thank you,
T
T:
Durek to my knowledge has never posted on here. I copied and pasted his statements from Factnet. He never posted there much either. I don't think you will get a response from Durek. He has a website that deals with his church. Go on his website because he will probably respond from there I would guess. There is a picture of him there and good bit of other information about his church.
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