The NTCC Is So Hypocritical

Someone from the NTCC (no doubt a minister) had come on this blog and attempted to put me down because I previously sold new Toyota's for a living. The individual made it clear that (auto sales) is commonly understood by the NTCC to be a dishonorable profession. LD Jones told me right before service one evening that a Christian had no business selling cars because that is what I was doing at the time. Bro. Bentley told me on one occasion that NTCC ministers were not authorized to serve in any sales positions and he made it clear that RWD thought such professions to be dishonorable. RWD took a crack at car salesmen right here in Columbus during a church service and his pastors were up front laughing because they knew that I was a salesman, and I was sitting in the back. Well I'm getting ready to have the last laugh but unfortunately what I'm getting ready to write is actually not funny at all.

Lo and behold, just today, I saw an individual right here in Columbus, Georgia who I'd previously known from the NTCC. We went to church together. He was driving an older model Toyota Camry. Guess who sold it to him? The local NTCC pastor. Of course that is actually no big deal, but it is either wrong to sell cars or it's not. Not only that, the guy told me about how much he is spending on the car and he is paying his pastor approximately two times what the car is actually worth. That's right, the brother got anything but a good deal and I know because I previously sold cars for a living. Apparently the brother had to take out some kind of loan which didn't help matters. The pastor had purchased the car and he decided not to keep it according to the brother.

Let's assume the pastor paid two or three times what the car is actually worth when he bought it. If that was the case should the brother pay at least twice what the car is worth just so the pastor could get his money back? The brother that I'm talking about has virtually NO experience buying cars anyway and I know that for a fact. The dude just got his license. Let's assume the pastor paid half or one third what the brother is paying for the car. That would mean the brother is being knocked in the head. That's what it is called when a dealer makes a whole bunch of gross profit on a vehicle sale. Which ever the case the brother is not getting a good deal at all but to the contrary. Used cars have a lot of mark up above and beyond what the car is actually worth and this is especially the case on less expensive cars between $1000 and $5000. For example it is a bad deal if you pay $7000 for a car that books for $3500. For the record these figures are not what the brother paid but I just used them as examples. I stayed away from used cars for that very reason. We regularly showed folks what the book value was on vehicles that they were trading. The brother should have been able to get the car for not one dime more than half of what he said he is paying for it and actually less than half if you really look at the book value which is what I just looked at this evening. If there is any doubt in anyones mind that I know what I'm talking about, I looked in the brothers window and quite clearly saw the odometer which allowed me to pull up the book value this evening. In my book the brother got took. How did you like that rhyme?

I bought a car for less than $1000 and I sold it to a brother for "EXACTLY WHAT I PAID FOR IT". I got a great deal on it and I passed the savings to the brother. He is still driving it and has been for about 2 years. It was also an older Toyota Camry so it should last for about 10 more years at least if he takes care of it. However in this case the pastor either got a sorry deal and passed his loss on to the brother or he is simply knocking the brother in the head!!!! "ONE OR THE OTHER".

So LDJ and RWD, I don't want to hear your garbage about car salesmen because the buys that I gave my customers were a whole lot better than the one that "YOUR" pastor gave one of his church members. You guys are sorry. You NTCC ministers need to stay out of the car selling business and leave it to trained, conscientious professionals like me who happen to know and care enough to truly take care of people and especially those who are of the household of faith.

Gal 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Did you forget to teach that one in your so called Bible college?

Jeff

P.S. I could give numerical specifics concerning what the brother told me he is paying, and my findings about the book value, but that is the guys private business so you'll just have to take my word for it. This whole practice of pastors selling their church members cars has stink written all over it anyway. It's just another example of the Shepard fleecing the sheep. Buy an old car and sell it to one of your church members. This isn't the first time I've heard of NTCC pastors selling their church members old used cars. LDJ and RWD just needed to keep their mouth shut about this auto sales issue and it wouldn't be an issue. Just another example of an NTCC flip flop.

Don't Steal Your Kids Childhood, The Kekels Certainly Didn't Steal Their Kids Childhood!

This blog can be crazy sometimes. It causes me to give certain subjects entirely too much thought.

What I'm talking about here is the subject that we have been recently discussing throughout the previous thread; "the Kekels". I recently expressed my feelings about GK and how we should handle that subject. Well last night when I went to bed, I briefly (right before I went to sleep) gave the subject a little more thought.

This is an ever significant subject due to the fact that many of us were brainwashed and or psychologically manipulated into essentially stealing our kids childhood. We were taught that the only focus for our children should be that they serve GAWD throughout their entire life according to the NTCCs mandates, and that take precedence over any other career or recreational plans, unconditionally. We were taught that it was ultimately a waist of time to participate in activities other than "NTCC activities" such as soul winning and church services and conferences.

I know of an NTCC pastor who held his daughter back a year in school because her schooling interfered with his "NTCC" plans. Many parents didn't allow their children to participate in any extra curricular school activities because we were instructed not to by the NTCC leadership. It was preached and taught that in the eternal grand scheme of things, extra curricular activities or other activities such as sports, plays, martial arts, adult education, boy scouts, swim classes, sporting events, fairs, carnivals, theme parks, family outings, and anything else that didn't involve church services and soul winning was ultimately unimportant and a waist of the time that GAWD allocated us here on earth. And you know what? There are some biblical grounds to support such teachings but here is the problem and this goes back to my original point. "The Kekels".

The Kekels son was raised according to a whole different set of understood rules and standards. The Kekels son was allowed to participate in activities that the rest of us were taught were a waist of the time that GAWD allocated humans here on earth.

So you ask; "what is your point Jeff?" Some people who post here think we should back off GK because he is still kid living in his parents house. Others say "forget that, my kid was also a child when the NTCC leaders got all involved in my family business while occasionally openly humiliating my child in the process of doing everything they could to prevent me from allowing my child to have the same childhood that GK has been given all along."

Well I see both sides here and for that matter quite clearly. I believe that we should leave children (who are still in school, K-12) out of these discussions for the most part, but there is a problem if we categorically take that approach. The NTCC leaders and pastors never took that approach. The NTCC leaders stuck there hypocritical noses into every bit of our families business that they possibly could, while giving us guidance concerning our children that the Kekels never even followed. It's a slap in the face that some of us may very well never get over.

NTCC LEADERS: Because we trusted you, you took advantage of our trust and you stole our kids childhood with mandates that the Kekels never followed for their child. We thoroughly resent that and we won't forget. Believe it or not, in our lives, such events parallel 9-11. These are events that you just don't forget. You did more than just play games with us when you concocted all those rules, you messed with our children.

Jeff Collins

Thread #64 A picture of RWD while announcing what churches he will or will not visit.

The NTCC is a caste system. Here is a definition that I found: A social structure in which classes are determined by heredity. The NTCC has different classes of people within their ranks. Those classes of people are often determined by "heredity" which practice we quite frequently refer to as nepotism. Here is a definition of nepotism that I found: Patronage bestowed or favoritism shown on the basis of family relationship, as in business and politics: She was accused of nepotism when she made her nephew an officer of the firm. For those who haven't figured it out, that is the NTCC way. Partiality and favoritism runs ramped throughout the NTCC. That point was effectively illustrated in a message that I quoted below which was written by blovd.

blovd wrote...

Just remember the times that there was a conference or a big fellowship. Where were the board members? Sitting by themselves with only a few preachers that RWD hand picked to sit with them. Why are you afraid of sitting with the common brothers and sisters? They are not good enough for him? They can't teach him anything? Which brings me to the time in a conference telling the pastors who wanted him to come to their church for a visit, he said:

"I won't visit some of you because you want to put me in a roach coach motel. I'll come to see you when you are doing something for God! When you are running more people than I! Only than will I come and see you so you can teach me how to build a church and tell me what method you're using to bring people in. In the mean time don't expect me to come by to preach to your 5 or 10 people."

blovd statement is so true because I've witnessed the same type statements made by RWD during conference. If you've spent any time in the NTCC, I'm sure you've witnessed the same also. Either that or you are living in denial. RWD runs his church like a "family owned business", and it is more a business than a church for sure.

Jeff