Same Old Song And Dance At The Local NTCC

This thread was originally posted on 3/21/2009

These are pictures of NTCC pastors as they blow up and go berserk while blasting someone they are verbally attacking during church service.

Thread #6 There were about 5 of us who left the Columbus, GA / Phenix City, AL / Ft. Benning New Testament Christian Church about the same time. We all had our reasons for leaving and all of our reasons differed only slightly one from another. One particular brother left the New Testament Christian Church for a variety of reasons not the least of which was the NTCC/Kekel, land deal. This thread is about this particular brother that I will call Brother D.

When Brother D stopped attending services with the New Testament Christian Church, Oberhauser was the pastor here at Ft. Benning. Prior to Oberhauser, Hunt was the pastor and we were all with Hunt before Oberhauser arrived in Columbus GA/Ft. Benning.

Apparently the Brother somehow indicated to Oberhauser that his main reason for leaving was the land deal. That is definitely my understanding having personally talked to the brother that I'm referring to.

Hunt left Ft. Benning in the first place and was replaced by Oberhauser because Hunt said that it wasn't Gods will for him to be at the Ft. Benning church from the start!!! Well Hunt comes back to Ft. Benning to replace Oberhauser who had previously replaced Hunt. I guess that God changed his mind about Hunt being here. A little humor but serious nevertheless.

Well Brother D, bless his heart, out of the blue, decides to visit the New Testament Christian Church Church recently that he had previously left. Once again now Hunt is the pastor. Apparently Hunt found out one of the reasons Brother D gave for leaving the NTCC. Brother D told me today of his encounter while revisiting the local NTCC. Hunt took the opportunity to preach about how there is nothing wrong with RWD giving his son in law a bunch of land. That might be the case if the land hadn't been officially and legally recorded as a "New Testament Christian Church INC" property prior to it being given away by the New Testament Christian Church.

You know what? All that church member blasting and verbal abuse is exactly one of the very main reasons that my wife and I left the NTCC and we won't go back. I got so sick and tired of hearing abusive pastors target church members during their sermons for personal reasons. My wife said that it is a joke to even see New Testament Christian Church pastors pray before service because what they do the majority of time is get up, look out across the congregation and decide who to target and or blast which was exactly what happened to Brother D when he haphazardly decided to walk back into an New Testament Christian Church church that he had already left. That type of practice makes me sick. Hunt did the same thing to another Brother in a vicious way and the church service became very UGLY. Hunt did this because the brother didn't agree with Hunt about his fiancée not having a job. Hunt blasted the Brother as bad or worse as I have ever heard anyone get blasted. Needless to say, that Brother also left the New Testament Christian Church. I liked Hunt quite a bit so as a result it really bothered me to witness him blast this brother in such a vicious fashion. It was totally unnecessary to say the least. I'd like to see Hunt blast some of these NTCC pastors who's wives have worked on a job while the NTCC leadership knew all about it.

On Kekels blog, Kekel decided to highlight the fact that Sis Shunk had a job while she was in Korea as though she had done something wrong? The New Testament Christian Church leadership knew all about it previously, so why is Kekel just bringing it up now? It was never a problem before not only for Sis Shunk but the other wives of NTCC pastors who kept JOBS in places like Korea to help out their hubby and help with the church expenses. The only reason that Kekel decided to bring it up now is because the Shunks had started a blog highlighting the NTCC abuse methods and double standards. Typical NTCC smear campaign tactics. Somewhere along the line I missed this scripture: 2NTCC 3:1 Young women shall be keepers at home unless they have jobs outside the US, or they work at the NTCS, or they are out soul winning, or they are cleaning up the church and Kekel's house. 2NTCC 3:2 In such cases "young" woman do not have to be keepers at home.

Jeff

Wolves In Sheep's Clothing

In the previous thread Vic Johanson wrote...

I personally heard RW Davis, the self proclaimed apostle who maintains he has seen angels and heard the audible voice of God, and that he has never missed God and does everything by the Holy Ghost, emphatically state that if one's sons and daughters didn't go to "bible school," it represented abject parental failure. It is astonishing to observe the blatant hypocrisy prevalent among these wolves in sheep's clothing. And they'll have the nerve to brand anyone who raises the subject as "jealous" or "bitter," or try to spin it into an attack on some hapless kid. Well, this isn't about Grant at all; it's about the corrupt and decadent NTCC leadership who place heavy burdens on others which are grievous to be borne, but won't lift a finger to help. And it's not bitterness or jealousy; it's the same spirit Jesus had when he denounced the Pharisees.

Chief wrote...

I couldn't have possibly expressed my feelings as well as Vic did in the paragraph that I reposted above. What Vic wrote is absolutely the truth. I've heard everything that Vic spoke of while I was in the NTCC. The NTCC leadership absolutely considered NTCC parents a failure if their children didn't attend the NTCS when they became of age. So now it all changes as soon as RWDs grandson graduates high-school. I don't care if the NTCC somehow spins the events to reflect Grant obtaining some kind of NTCS transcript. If Grant does anything other than go directly to the NTCS in Graham full time, live in the dorm, follow all the rules, get a job and receive absolutely no financial assistance from anyone in his family, it is a hypocritical double standard. If he attends a secular college at all, it is a hypocritical double standard and according to RWDs very own teachings the Kekels have been a spiritual failure and they've failed God, period. Vic and I and all the rest of us didn't dream this stuff up, it's real because we (with our own ears) heard it preached by RWD himself and reiterated by his ministers.

Many people in the NTCC should (if they have any backbone at all) be seriously disgruntled with this whole situation. If I was still in the New Testament Christian Church I could absolutely see myself, without reservation questioning the NTCC leadership concerning this whole issue. It's not about Grant because I believe he is a fine young man who should go off to a real college. It's about all the years of dogmatic preaching which was absolutely directed against secular college attendance while insisting that one's sons and daughters attend the NTCS. There were no gray areas contained in the messages that I heard preached involving this very subject. Your children either attended the NTCS or you were an absolute spiritual failure as an NTCC Christian parent, PERIOD.

Wake up NTCC folks and take back control of your life and your children's life and stand up for what is right like Mordecai did in the book of Esther. Face it , you've been duped and scammed and tricked into believing a lie and it's your loving children who've paid the price. I take stuff like that real personal. I don't like being used by someone and especially someone who is supposed to be a so called Christian and a spiritual guide. Kekel and RWD are both fake and false prophets. Grant didn't just decide to attend a secular college against his parents wishes, he was prepped for such scholastic involvement from the beginning and both his Dad and RWD knew it. That is the sick, sadistic, demented part because secular college attendance was preached against for decades. Face it folks we were all tricked and you best believe it. Now they are trying to add insult to injury by suggesting that it never happened and we simply misunderstood what we heard come across the pulpit. They say we didn't listen.

Chief

Believe It? Not Likely.

Today in Columbus Georgia, I met a woman who said that she had just gotten back from church. The interesting part was that she was just returning from a service in Atlanta which is about two hours away from Columbus. I asked her why she travels so far to attend church and she replied, "because that is where God told me to attend church services". I then asked, "Are you sure it was God who told you or was it the pastor who told you where you should attend?" "She then emphatically stated, "Oh it was God who told me". I then asked her where she was attending and she replied, "WCCI". I asked her what church that was and she replied, "Word Changers Church International with Creflo Dollar".

Do I believe that God personally told her to drive two hours to Atlanta to attend WCCI? Of course I could be wrong but I don't believe it for one second. I don't believe that God spoke a single word to the woman and the point I'm illustrating is that I also don't believe that God has spoken a single word to these NTCC guys either.

This lady insisted that God had told her to do such and such and I've heard New Testament Christian Church ministers insist that God told them a few things as well which were regularly proven to have never come to pass. "God told me we will have 100 people in church this Sunday". Only 83 people show up. Yeah thats not bad, God was only off by 17. And then the crooked preacher blames the failure on his congregation. "You didn't believe God so God didn't perform what he said he would". I no longer believe folks who run around saying that God told them this and that. They are phonies. RWD insisted that everything he did came from God and Kekel said that he prayed and God gave him answers as well. The ironic part is that some of the things that RWD taught for years that supposedly came from God Kekel has changed. Kekel claims that he prayed to God and God gave him approval. So there are three possibilities with this RWD, Kekel fiasco. First: RWD didn't receive his guidance from God in the first place. Second: Kekel didn't receive an answer from God and therefor he wrongfully changed what was given by God to RWD in the first place. Third: God didn't speak to either one of them.

I strongly believe that the THIRD scenario is the accurate one. I am so sick and tired of everyone running around saying that God told them this and God told them that. The way I see it they are a bunch of phonies, and I see RWD and Kekel as being no different. So I guess that God it talking to everyone these days and giving them all verbal one on one guidance. According to the Bible, back in the day, God only spoke to Moses apparently, face to face as one man speaks to another. Now according to all these self proclaimed prophets God is speaking to all of them. Do you really believe it folks? Kekel is a phony and so is RWD and I'm convinced because their deeds have proved it.

They are crooks, plain and simple and Olson is the same way. In a letter written to concerned NTCCers, Olson wrote: "The property was acquired in the name of the organization. Even though the land was purchased with finances from a private party, it was bought in the organization’s name to provide for and protect the organization, in the event that this land would be needed and beneficial for the ongoing growth of God’s work. It should be understood that at the time of purchase it was not known if the land would be needed, but the Organization was being provided with the #1 option if the Lord so directed in time to come."

What kind of garbage was that? God couldn't decide what to do with 39 acres of land so when God couldn't figure it out he decided to have the NTCC give it to the Kekel family as a gift? $373,000 worth of land? Notice that Olson wrote, "if the Lord so directed in time to come." So I'm supposed to believe that God finally with much thought, directed the NTCC to give 39 acres of land which was valued in 2008 at $373,000 to the Kekel family? So I guess God's so called "ongoing" work no longer had need of 39 acres of land. Anyone who buys off on this totally lame explanation written by Olson is one seriously gullible individual. God didn't direct anything. RWD directed it because the Kekel family is RWDs family, plain and simple. I don't believe RWD or Kekel for one second and I definitely don't believe Olson.

You can believe that God spoke to all these folks if you want to but my days of believing that garbage are long over. Do I believe that God has ever spoken to people? Yes. Do I believe that it happens all the time like these NTCC phonies suggest? Not even. Do I believe that God has spoken to Kekel? Please with a big NO. NTCC folks are being took. They are no different than the lady I met today who said that God has spoken to her. I'm sick and tired of all these super spiritual phony bologna religious folks. Has God really ever spoken to you? Be honest. Stop living a lie. No really. You just got all emotional. Yes the Bible shows that God speaks to people but it certainly doesn't happen everyday and not even close.

Jeff

Leadership In The NTCC Or The Lack Thereof

Originally posted on 3/13/2009

Thread #5 New Testament Christian Church pastors are some of the worse leaders that I have ever known. The reason I can say this is because I have spent enough time in the Army and I have attended enough leadership schools to be able to tell the good from the bad.

There are three basic types of leaders. Delegative, Participative, and Authoritarian. At different times, all good leaders possess any one of the three leadership styles or all three put together. A breakdown in effective leadership occurs when an individual in authority primarily uses only one of the three types of leadership styles on a regular basis.

I could give examples of, and discuss all three leadership styles, but for the purpose of this thread I am only going to focus on one. The worst one of the three for a leader to use "exclusively" is the authoritarian style.

Unfortunately the regular, exclusive use of the authoritarian style within the NTCC always results in poor moral and the development of subordinates who never learn to consistently make sound decisions on their own. Authoritarian NTCC leaders regularly abuse their church members and subordinate ministers and this practice is degrading, extremely harmful and destructive.

New Testament Christian Church pastors from the bottom all the way up to RWD use the authoritarian style of leadership almost exclusively. I've witnessed this occurrence from numerous NTCC pastors. The authoritarian says, "it's my way or the highway." What makes an authoritarian even worse is that almost all are extremely insecure individuals. A person who feels "secure" in their position of authority does not feel the need to remind you of their title or rank and they realize that the decisions they consider making are not always the best or even good at all. They know that you know that they are in charge and they don’t have to remind you of that fact. Someone who is an "insecure", authoritarian leader, always feels the need to remind his subordinates of his or her title. Examples: "I'm the pastor", "I was here first", "I started this church", "I was here when you got here and I'll be here when you leave, if you don't like it, there is the door", "I'm in charge of this Platoon", "I run this Battalion".

No kidding Einstein.

I person who feels secure in their position of authority welcomes suggestions from his or her subordinates and often puts the suggestions into practical use. An insecure authoritarian leader resents suggestions from subordinates and generally won’t even consider what has been suggested and in the process feels the need to remind you that he is the pastor or Sergeant or whatever is applicable. Often what is the result? Authoritarians make decisions that are bad because they won't consult their people and they suck at effective leadership.

Examples: Adolph Hitler would not listen to his Generals. Bad decision. First Gulf War; Saddam Hussein would not listen to his Generals. Bad decision. RWD would not listen to his proverbial Generals when they tried to warn him about Denis. THE SPLIT. I know for a fact that some did try and tell RWD about Denis. That is an insecure authoritarian and a bad decision maker from a leadership standpoint. Pastors who will not even consider listening to advise offered by church members are insecure, authoritarians who constantly make bad decisions, destroy moral, create much hurt, and destroy folks lives at least temporarily and sometimes permanently.

Does any of this sound familiar?

Jeff

NTCC Slum Lords - Sin The NTCC Way

Written by Angela in the previous thread...

Girl's Dorm #2 / "The Little White House"
The Little White House sits next to one of the entrances to the ntcc compound from the O-K Hwy. R.W. Davis asked my husband, Eric Barden to move in there. It had been occupied by the NTCC Bible School single girls; but with five of them in a small two-bedroom house there was no room for desks. And tanya kekel told me she had been praying for more women to come to the school but realized they did not have room for them in the current dorm; so the girls were moved to a different bigger house / dorm.

When davis asked us to move in, I thought it would be a blessing. Boy was I wrong! We had been renting an apartment in Tacoma; but Eric drove every day to the Graham compound to work on the building crew. Then, every night, I would drive back to Graham for either class or church. Gas was expensive! But we had a nice place in Tacoma. When we moved onto the ntcc Graham compound, that house was beyond filthy! The kitchen (and whole house) had one of those cheap indoor/outdoor carpets in it hiding who knows what under it. But what was worse was that it was so soaked in grease it was beyond filthy; it was a fire hazard! The blind on the kitchen door was equally greasy in addition to being broken with many bent and broken slats. We found a replacement blind at a "kook" - (rwd's term for a second-hand) - store. Then there were the iron burn-marks in the carpet. I guess the girls were so poor they didn't have an ironing board so they had burned at least five iron imprints in the carpet trying to be wrinkle-free for classes and church (which was VERY IMPORTANT in the ntcc!).

Then there was the well water. It was so sludgy! There was a slow leak under the kitchen sink. As a result a pile of black goopy sediment had accumulated. It let us know what we were actually drinking. Yuck! Then there was the peeling paint in the bathroom. Just lovely. The rotted out flooring under the washer / dryer. Another bonus. The hole in the wall (uncovered / unfinished) for cleaning out the stove pipe. Yeah. Worst of all was the mold. In the bathroom and bedrooms the window sills were completely rotted out from mold. When Kitty Luna and I pulled out the dressers to clean behind them and emptied the drawers, there were fibers of green and red mold that looked like the fabric stuff people use at halloween to imitate heavy cobwebs. It was strung from the back of the dressers to the wall, on the wall, and inside the dressers. It was disgusting. Never did use those dressers. Our stuff wasn't going in there. Well, I was wrong. That was my first day there. The worst was yet to come.

Remember the hole in the wall (for the stove-pipe clean-out)? Mice had been coming and going through that portal, attracted by the heat and food. They had infested the place. I took everything out of the kitchen cabinets to clean everything and wash everything by hand. We threw away some old burnt pots and tupperware that the mice had gnawed through. But even though I did all that cleaning and we kept everything packed away, no food out anywhere, the mice were so prevalent that if you took out dishes you had to wash them before using them; and by the time you had used them and washed them and returned them to the cabinet, there would be fresh mouse droppings on the plates in the cabinet. Disgusting. Eric went and bought mouse traps. We loaded eight of them with peanut butter and left them in front of the hole that Eric covered over. In the morning all eight traps were full. Mice were literally crawling over other dead or dying mice in the traps to get to the peanut butter in the next trap.

I Remember one of the girls from the dorm asked me just after we moved into "The Little White House" if I was enjoying my new "friends". I quickly informed her that the mice were no friends of mine! I don't know why we stayed and got played as long as we did. This is what ntcc thought of all the work we'd done for them: "Let's move the Bardens (SUCKERS) into the Little White House. He's qualified as a general contractor. He can fix it up for free. Then we can order them to work in another place, and jack-up the rent on the place for the next tenants... Ha Ha, suckers." Normally I don't think that way. But davis used to teach folks to watch out for landlords who moved you into dumps, hoping you'd fix things up for them; so they could raise the rent on you or the next tenants. Now I know HE was the one who does that very thing! It's the classic ntcc - talk - out - of - both - sides - of - your- mouth - strategy:

It's just like davis saying he does not match-make (arrange marriages) but all the while he has rules in place that the man has to ask for permission before talking to a woman "on the wall" so davis has full control, regardless of what he SAYS. I think it is davis's twisted way of having "plausible deniability"-(Independence Day movie term). In legal circles it might be called disclosure: He's warned you about it, so you can't sue him for it. (in theory) There are other slum-lord stories in the blogs, some shared second-hand by AXP re. victims Mark (?) Noel and Mark Travato (I think). And one told first-hand by Jennifer Maesner.

And there was the chilling account told by Gary Garcia. olson ordered the Garcias to rent his property in the St. Louis ghetto of Gasconade. A six-year-old girl was raped on the school bus. Gary did not want his little girl to go through that! (Happily, the Garcias are no longer with the ntcc.) I'll bet you'd never see olson's daughter living in that ghetto and riding that school bus! NTCC has many properties in St. Louis that they abuse their preachers with in the exact same fashion as I have described here. Tax-free rent, Paid in cash, with no receipts... and a fresh crop of suckers to order to move in and out once the tenant does the work and pays to get the place fixed up for the ntcc to make more money off of it. What a scam. NTCC slum lords: Sin the ntcc way.

Written by Angela and reposted by Jeff