For Years The NTCC Leaders Have Instituted Ridiculous Rules For Their Church Members To Follow. Let’s create a List Of Absurd NTCC Rules

Thread #24 Believe it or not, this very topic was one of the main reasons that my wife and I left the NTCC. We got so sick and tired of the NTCC leaders devising some of the most ludicrous, nonsensical, shortsighted, simpleminded rules that I have ever seen in my life. So many of these rules were no more than the result of a knee jerk reaction made by an illogical NTCC leader.

I am going to start the list with one example headlined below. As hard as I know it will be, because I know there were and still are so many ridicules rules; please respond with only ONE example. If we follow the criteria requested, of responding with just one senseless rule; this should allow for, and result in, a greater number of participants. If one calender day goes by and there is something else that you want to add that hasn't already been listed, by all means do so. Once again, I am trying this method in an attempt to boost participation.

Ludicrous rule #1: For years and years the NTCC leadership refused to allow church members to go out and eat with ministers after fellowship meetings. I complained about that rule constantly to at least two different pastors. I was told by one pastor that when I went to Bible school, I would understand the reason for separating church members from eating with ministers. I told him that it didn't matter how they justified the rule; I wouldn't understand because it didn't make sense. He did not like my response at all. Oh well! This went on for about 6 years and fellowship meeting attendance dropped through the floor. Finally right before I left the NTCC, they changed the rule so that you could go eat with ministers after fellowship meetings. Imagine that; silly me all along. Can you spell a "KNEE JERK REACTION", which is what started the rule in the first place?

This should be not only a fun, but also an eye opening thread.

Jeff

Hypocrites Are Constantly Trying To Justify Themselves And Mike Kekel is no Exception To That Rule.

Thread #23 Mike Kekel recently started a thread on his blog titled "Give me a break" I'm quite confident that his thread is in response to many of us saying that Mike has changed the NTCC rules that NTCC members were previously REQUIRED to follow. Below I have posted a few statements that Mr. Kekel made on his blog and then below his statement I will decipher the inner meaning of the statement. How am I qualified to do this? Because I am like Rush Limbaugh and I have those NTCC folks figured out. Ha, ha.

Mike said...

"So it is spiritually; no rules or bible commands can make us obey, we must choose to bring ourselves into compliance, we must yield! Through the Holy Spirit we have the power and authority to maintain absolute control."

Jeff said...

What Mike was saying here is that no one can make us, or did make us obey anything. He stated this in response to the grievances that have been written by exNTCCers insisting that we were made to follow certain NTCC rules that seem to be no longer rules at all. Now Kekel is technically right. No one could make us do anything, correct? Correct! However what NTCC pastors could do, and did do, and still do, is make the lives of their church members absolutely miserable, service after service by singling them out and quote "blasting" them into submission, until they yielded not to the Holy Spirit, but to every whim of the immature, abusive pastor. The NTCC has mastered the approach of verbally beating and guilt tripping their church members into submission. They will either do that, and the targeted church member or subordinate minister will comply to "their" command, or they will happily run that person off and then say that the person never wanted God all along and that is why they left.

In that Mike Kekel stated: "we "must" choose to bring ourselves into compliance, we "must" yield! Through the Holy Spirit we have the power and authority to maintain "absolute control"."

Jeff said...

As Mike said, "Give me a break". Notice that I quoted where he used with word must on two occasions. That is a classic case of NTCC psychological manipulation at its best. What Mike was really saying it that the church member "must" yield to the NTCC pastor or overseer or RWD and let the NTCC leader have "absolute control" over the church member or subordinate minister. Same old NTCC TRASH. The reason he carefully used the word "must" because he wanted to remove any option to do otherwise. And he definitely made sure that he threw in the phrase "TOTAL CONTROL", because in case you haven't figured it out the NTCC leaders want total control of your life or else you will get blasted, targeted, and blacklisted. And how does the NTCC determine whether the church member or subordinate minister is yielding to the Holy Spirit? By determining whether or not the church members or subordinate minister is yielding to THEM; The NTCC LEADER. And if you don't yield to them whether they are right or wrong, they will blast you and say that you do not yield to God. Incidentally, NTCC pastors are very often WRONG. So in the NTCC you have no choice but to follow THEIR RULES or you will NOT HAPPILY remain in THEIR organization.

RWD said that plainly in conference. He said and I quote, "If you have a problem with one of my pastors you have a problem with me, and if you have a problem with me, you have a problem with God." What he did was put his pastors and himself on the same level with God because in making that statement it was the same as saying that he and his pastors think the same way as God himself. What a bunch of pure undefiled TRASH.

Mike Kekel and RWD are so full of it that it is absolutely mind boggling and disgusting. Mike and RWD have laid down such heavy mind manipulation on their church members that it actually borderlines what one could consider AMAZING. RWD read way too many books about Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Fidel Castro, and Pol Pot because he has definitely figured out how to lay down some heavy mind control on his followers. Do you think I am exaggerating? I am not the one that put myself on the same level as God; it was him, and I heard it with my own two ears in conference and I quoted what he said in red up above and my memory is quite good.

Then Mike said...

"Another time a few years ago we went to an annual event in Tacoma called Wintergrass; basically one hour acoustic music lessons/workshops taught by professionals. I’ve played guitar since 1966 and I’m always trying to improve, so it was an absolute treat for me to listen to these pros play and teach".

Jeff said...

He just changed the NTCC rules because anyone with a brain, who has ever spent any length of time in the NTCC, knows good and well that we were never allowed to go to a blue grass festival in the first place. It was never an issue of you just going until you felt UNCOMFORTABLE. You weren't supposed to go PERIOD and Mike is a man that institutes double standards and he is a hypocrite and it make me sick that I ever followed his or the NTCC guidance for one second.

Jeff Collins

The NTCC Way

Thread #22

The few wealthy in the NTCC watch the poor struggling church members and Bible school students clean their houses. It is like paying tribute to Caesar. How in the world did this ever get started? How is it that people ever dreamed up going over to the Kekels house to clean it? Having to get on a list? That is absurd!!! Is Tanya Kekel your master and are you her slave? Ching, ching! There may be no other group in the entire United States where people are on a waiting list to clean someone else's house. It is absolutely amazing how brainwashed the Kekels have their church members. Tell me one time in your life, prior to entering the NTCC, that you went out of your way to clean someone else's house? Kekel was a military guy, who became a minister, and now he has seemingly an endless supply of WOMEN who very often are other men's wives, jumping hand over foot to rush over to his house to clean it? WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOING ON? THE KEKELS ARE USING PEOPLE!!!!!!! Men don't let your wives clean another mans house for cheese points. Are you out of your mind? Has your wife become the Kekel's part time maid and church member at the same time? Have you military guys every let your wife go clean the Commanders house? So why in the world are you letting her go and clean Kekels house. Because you want cheese points, plain and simple. Come clean my house and God will bless you? The only one getting blessed is the one that is getting their house cleaned while the person doing the cleaning is being played. I'm not trying to offend anyone of hurt anyone's feelings. I'm being real. Hey; I got played for a sucker for years by the NTCC, so the shoe fits me also and I don't have any choice but to wear it. NTCC WOMEN: Stop going to clean another mans house, who already has a wife, who tells you which corners to look for dirt in!!! I don't think that I have ever seen worse psychological manipulation in my life. I don't know whether to have utter disdain for the Kekels or to admire them for their utter brilliance? What do I have to do to convince an endless supply of WOMEN to come over and clean my house? Just line up girls and I'll have the MOP ready. Don't miss the TOILET and you'll be blessed!! I'm not being serious here, but I am trying to make a point that might just help some folks to wake up out of the trance that the NTCC has them in, so they can see things for exactly how they are.

The house cleaners deep down inside feel that they are getting into the good graces of the quote “MAN OF GOD”, and consequently will receive blessings for their sacrifice or they simply want cheese points. Some of them just want to see the big beautiful house with the hard wood floors, that they feel they may only ever dream of owning. There are plenty of museums around folks. Others just want a chance to talk to Tanya and Sis Davis. Well go talk to them, but they don't have to allow you to go clean their house. I have a decent house and there is a picture of it down a few threads on this blog. If someone is interested in seeing me, my wife, or our house, that is fine but I am not going to let them in to clean it. My friends don't come over and clean my house! PERIOD! I don't use people like that. If dinner is cooked here, they may want to help and clean the dishes because somethimes it is just good decency, but you ain't cleaning the rest of my house.

What a farce. Clean the house of someone who has far more money and assets than most people will ever even dream of? The head honchos ought to be ashamed that they even allow their Christian Brothers and Sisters to perform such a task. Clean your own house you pimp. They are reliving the days of Solomon. Davis and Kekel are sorry, greedy pimps that prostitute their Brethren and Tayna is the pimpstress. I don’t care if they pay you a chump salary. What Company Commander have you ever known that has paid one of their privates to come and clean their home? NONE!!! Why? Because it is poor leadership. Kekel: You are their pastor, not their pimp.

What about those women being keepers at home. That means being a good house keeper at YOUR OWN HOME. To be domestically inclined doesn't mean to go to someone else's house to clean. The word domestic means YOUR place of residence. It also doesn't mean go clean someone else's home who is way richer than you are. The Kekels could afford a full time maid. Mrs Kekel: Are you too good and busy to clean your own house? I could see a good, close friend just happening to come over and just deciding to help out but none of these ladies are close friends with Tanya. They will never be Tanya's close friends because the NTCC is set up exactly like a CASTE SYSTEM that incorporates NEPOTISM. That is a bad combo for a church and that is "The NTCC Way." That is something that you would see in a family business; not a church. Isn’t Kekel’s wife also supposed to be a quote “keeper at home” as you put it? I guess the scripture that the NTCC teaches doesn’t apply to Mrs. Kekel? Can a Sister clean your home for pay but not get a job? Oh I forgot again, silly me, the sisters can only perform the jobs that the NTCC assigns.

Sisters; you are being used, tricked, and duped and your life is worth more than these controlling guys make it out to be. Yes the man is the head of the house and I am not backing up from that, but the Bible never suggested that the only thing that a woman can do is be a house keeper and especially not for someone else who happens to be her pastor and his wife. Read Proverbs chapter 31 lady's. Sister Kekel is too good, busy, and important for all of that MENIAL labor I guess? Power and position has clouded their judgment. Bottom line. They are using the good people and they are really using the women.

Jeff Collins

404-405-7842

Mr. Ramirez

Thread #21 I just received a phone call today from someone who says that Mr. Ramirez is wreaking havoc in Lawton Oklahoma. Moral is at a serious low and he is verbally and emotionally beating up his church members. I was told this today by someone who has never called me before. A different person, who is an NTCC minister called me yesterday and during the conversation, Mr. Ramirez was brought up. Basically the minister told me that Mr. Ramirez was not a nice guy. Imagine that!!! The two phone calls were from two totally different people who do not have, nor have they ever had any association with each other. The bottom line is that Mr. Ramirez is extremely abusive to his congregation.

NTCC Leadership: When are you going to wake up and put a leash on some of these wild dogs who are constantly attacking some real good, young Christians who are just trying their best to serve God in your organization? I know the answer. Rarely ever; because the abusive tactics have been taught by the example of the NTCC leadership and it goes all the way to the top; and I mean RWD folks.

Ramirez has been verbally beating folks up now for at least 22 years because he was doing it when I was in his church. I am not exaggerating at all; this guy is vicious.

NTCC Leadership: You guys have THE MOST abusive people that I have ever met in my life who pastor right in your churches. This doesn't make any sense. I know what the problem is. The abusive ministers have delusions of grandeur when they fancy themselves to be like one of the Old Testament Prophets while reading stories about Elisha in 2Ki 2:24. Additionally, they are taught that mess by RWD and his fellow flunkies.

The other problem is, guys like Mayers and Ramirez know only one kind of leadership because they never made enough rank in the military to get anything other than barked at all the time. They've watched RWD do the same thing and they are naive enough to believe that's good leadership.  Not only that, it's evident that these are just mean guys by nature.  Bad combo for sure.  Mean dude + NTCC pastor = abusive control monger.  

Chief 

Please Read And Respond To The Previous Thread However This Was Brought There And I Thought It Was Good Stuff. This Explains A Lot About The NTCC

Thread #20 I am starting this thread by quoting a statement that was made by MLJ in the previous thread and then of course I am showing my responce to his statement. Once again, I think this is very good stuff and it explains a lot about the NTCC.

MLJ said...

"NTCC is one of MANY cults out there; some of which are far worse than NTCC. You can look at NTCC as "cult lite" as there are a few good ministers somehow by the Grace of God still in this defunctive organization, why that is I do not know."


Jeff said...

LOL. Ha, ha. "CULT LITE". Ha, ha. That was good MLJ. All the flavor without all the calories. They ruin folks lives without actually murdering them.

I know why it is that there are still good ministers in the defunctive organization. For all who don't know the word defunctive refers to the dead. The word dead found in the scripture referenced below is purely circumstantial as it relates to MLJ's statement / question but it is nevertheless applicable.

Rev 3:1 1/2 I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art "dead".

Jeff said... MLJ: Chapter 3 verse 4 answers your question.

Rev 3:4 Thou hast a few names "even" in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.


Jeff said... Notice that I put quotation marks around the word "even". That is very important. What it's saying is that even in a thoroughly messed church there can still be good people but also notice the scripture only said a "few". I'm sure that it is very difficult to remain good in a thoroughly corrupt church because of all the bad influences. The other problem is that once you realize how crooked the NTCC really is, I would say it is your duty to leave.

How with a good conscience, are you going to willfully lead people into a trap?

What I am about to write is purely speculative but I strongly suspect that the folks in Sardis who hadn't defiled their garments hadn't been their long. Sooner or later the NTCC's bad ways will rub off on you or you will simply leave because you know what they do is WRONG.

Jeff

How Would You Like To Have This Disclaimer Written At The Bottom Of Your College Transcript? The NTCS Will Gladly Have It Written On Your Transcript

Thread #19 The quote written below comes directly, word for word, from an NTC Seminary transcript that someone faxed to me. I've posted this before but I think that it was somewhat overlooked. The transcript was signed by Mike Kekel and therefor he authorized the disclaimer to be written at the bottom on the transcript. I still have a copy of this transcript.

"Due to our intent to train disciples strictly for the church ministry within our churches, we do not offer nor purport to offer any training which could be construed in any way by a participant therein as preparatory for any occupation, secular of otherwise, or for any advancement within another institution, religious or otherwise, outside of the New Testament Christian Churches of America, Inc. Neither does this Institution offer nor purport to offer a degree or any other credentials qualifying participants for any position or occupation outside of our churches."

Signed,

Mike Kekel


Let me try and make sure that everyone who reads this blog fully understands exactly what this disclaimer means. In short it means that the NTCC wants you, and any other religious institution, and or any potential employer to know that their transcript is worth no more than a single square of toilet paper that you wiped your butt with and flushed down the commode.

What the NTCC's saying is that the owner of the transcript should not feel that the transcript is intended to be helpful to them in ANY WAY, SHAPE, FORM, OR FASHION if, they ever decide to look for a job or leave the NTCC or preach in any other church organization.

What the NTCC is also saying is that if you ever leave the NTCC, the four years of your life that you invested in attendance at the NTC Seminary, will have been absolutely worthless and here is the important part; so that the NTCC could make sure the transcript and the four years invested is worthless, they deliberately put a disclaimer on the transcript to make it useless to all ministers if they ever decided not continue with the NTCC. That is a big gamble folks. Knowing what I know now, my choice would be an accredited school for sure.

My friends; that is exactly what is being said within the disclaimer and one should be very reluctant to attended the NTCC's thoroughly self satisfying seminary because their transcript is certainly not intended to provide any satisfaction to the person who receives it. The NTCC is the most selfish organization that I have ever been a part of in my life and I mean that for certain.

Jeff Collins

Despite All The Maltreatment That NTCC Folks Have Endured, The Greatest Travesty Ever Committed In The NTCC Is What Our Children Had To Endure!

Thread #18 People: I am going to discuss something here that should get right down to the hearts of all NTCCers both current and past; our children.

The NTCC leaders and specifically RWD has created a church schedule that takes up the vast majority of their quote, "FAITHFUL" church members and ministers available free time. Notice I specified the word "Faithful." In the NTCC, for someone attending church to be considered faithful, that individual must attend every church service and meeting that is offered by the NTCC. This is a historical fact. When I say available free time I mean time away from work and or sleep. If an NTCCer doesn't attend services on Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday morning and evening and Saturday soul winning and often meetings during the week and prayer meeting of Friday they are often not considered faithful. Over the years this has been the standard in the majority of the NTCC churches that I have been a part of. Those standards seem to be lightning up quite a bit these days but for decades, you either attended ever single NTCC church event or you got blasted when you did show up and you were not considered faithful and your unfaithful status was made known often with no uncertain terms.

So what does that have to do with the title of this topic you might ask? Because of all the time that parents spent in church with the NTCC, they had very little or no time for their children. They certainly didn't have time to allow for their children to participate in school events because if they did, it would certainly have resulted in missed services which would additionally result in an inevitable blasting or reproof. In order to participate in a sport or a musical or a play or any other after school event, a child must participate in practice. If the child participates in practice the parent must pickup the child from school which would certainly result in the parent and the child missing church occasionally. Not unless the parent had the extra money to purchase the child their own car and of course that only applies if the child has reached a "RESPONSIBLE" driving age. And for that matter, how many NTCC parents can even afford to by their child a car? I wouldn't say many. Half of them are broke for all intensive purposes.

So what does this all mean? If you took a poll of all NTCC parents over the last 35 years, I'm sure you would find that very few of their children were allowed to participate in any after school events. Well I'm sure there have been a few exceptions not the least of with is a very notable NTCC child by the name of Grant Kekel. Why is it that Grant Kekel has been able to participate in so many after school activities one might ask? Because his dad not only makes the rules in the NTCC, he also changes the rules in the NTCC to suit the needs of his family and his father in law, Mr. RWD turns a blind eye to all of it.

My daughter just participated in a school play that was absolutely fabulous. She did a great job. She also took second place in the entire State of Georgia in a State Trio Choir Competition and obviously she did an excellent job there as well and we are very proud of her. She was able to do those things because she was able to practice after school which would have resulted in us definitely missing a substantial number of services had we still been in the NTCC if for no other reason than the fact that we would have had to pick her up from school. Things may have changed now but back in the day that would have not been accepted by just about any NTCC pastor. Not only would it have not been excepted because of missed services, but most NTCC pastors would have said that to allow such activities would be unacceptable in the sight of God. We would have been asked, "does you child's after school activity bring glory to God or win souls for the kingdom of God or would Christ have played basketball or football or been in a play?"

Well apparently RWD hasn't asked Kekel those questions because Grant has played basketball, football, and been to piano recital and Kekel and or his wife have admitted to all of this on Mike Kekels very own blog for all to read. So one might ask, how many NTCC kids have been totally deprived of their childhood? I would say thousands if not tens of thousands over the last 30 to 40 years and it is a pure travesty because that is time that they can never get back. My daughter just had one of the greatest years of her life because after years in the NTCC she was finally allowed to be a "KID". I have gotten far past being guilt tripped into placing all kinds of restrictions on my children that Kekel has never placed on his.

Here is why it is such a great travesty. I was an adult when "I" decided to follow the NTCCs schedule and I was an adult when I decided to leave it for good. Your children on the other hand can not make those decisions so consequently they have no other choice but to answer and adhere to your demands. If you take their entire childhood away from them, unlike Mike Kekel has done with his son, and all your child ever does is sit in church, YOUR CHILD CANT EVER GET THEIR CHILDHOOD BACK.

Parents you really need to think about this one long and hard because this topic will potential plague you for your entire life and worse than that, it will change your child's entire life for the worse. You might as well have stuck your child in a coma for 18 years. Mike Kekel isn't sticking his kid in a coma and you better believe that. Kekel manages to find time to get his son back and forth from all these after school events and I don't want to hear this junk about them never missing a church service. Sister Davis told my wife and a whole room full of NTCC women while in the serviceman's home in Columbus Georgia, that her and Tanya Kekel left the state and went to Canada to follow Grant on one of his field trips. So don't tell me they didn't miss a church service. I'm sick and tired of all the double standards that Mike Kekel makes excuses for. The bottom line is that Mike Kekel's son has been allowed to live a lifestyle that very few if any other NTCC child has been allowed to live and parents, that should sicken you if you care one bit about your children.

Man I am glad that I am out of that double standard, hypocritical NTCC church and I am mostly glad for my children because now they "WILL" have a childhood. I don't care if Mike Kekel has changed everything. Knowing the past facts alone should compel you to leave the NTCC once and for all and stop supporting Mike Kekels endeavours and support your own family for a change. AMEN.

Jeffrey Collins

It All Belongs to Davis and Kekel. Wake Up People!

Thread #17

So Kekel and Davis both have MUCH land and money "ultimately" because of faithful tithe payers in the NTCC. Big deal right? Yes it is a big deal because Davis and Olson have for years directed ministers to sell or simply leave their house, which not many of them even own. Notice I said not many; I didn't say none of them. I'm talking proportionally for those who want troubleshoot my statements. Davis will attempt to have ministers sell or give away their property under the pretense that by not doing so, they are not answering the call of God. Through it all Davis and Kekel just become more financially secure, while you make little or no financial progress.

So once again Davis and Kekel get richer while the "majority" of their ministers remain poor monetarily. Here is the irony. One of the reasons that Davis started his own church was so that he could make all of the decisions concerning the doctrine and rules and no doubt finances. So this means that he is in control of the money and this fact is self evident. So guess what? You pastors will never be in control of anything that you work for as long as you are in the NTCC because you are in "Davis's" organization and everything belongs to him. Ok; so you say everything that you own doesn't belong to Davis right? What happens when Davis or Olson directs you to move? What are you going to do with all of your stuff? Sell it? Pay an extensive amount of money to ship it? Give it away? Pack up what little property you have in your van and drive it across the nation? If you can fit it all in your van, respectfully you don't have much stuff so lets be real. Davis just controlled your stuff in either of those examples that I just gave. I know that some of you civilian pastors might be able to make some progress, but the guys around the military installations that move all over the place will make very little.

You follow Davis but you don’t follow Davis’s example because you don’t have the same self confidence that Davis had by breaking away so that he could do his own thing and be in control of his own destiny and his own stuff and ultimately almost all the church finances. The same finances that most NTCC pastors have little or no control of. Tell me that you church pastors control your escrow account? I didn't think so. You don't even know what happens to your escrow account when you leave your church because Davis and or his fellow leaders just made you move. That is why he and Kekel live in big fat houses and never have to worry about money and most of you NTCC pastors and ministers are living in poverty. Do you really believe this is the way that God wants things to be? So Davis and Kekel will always remain wealthy and most of you will die poor.

Once again why do you think that Davis broke away from the church he was a part of years ago? Because he wanted control; PERIOD. Davis always wants to be in control of everyone except his daughter which also includes his son in law. Whether Davis was right or wrong, he got tired of answering to another mans organizational mandates so he started his own and he came up with his own mandates. As much as I don’t agree with the way Davis operates, he and I think the same about one thing for certain. If I buy a church building or land, than baby you better believe that I am going to be in control of it. That is what he teaches his son-in-law and that is what this thread is all about. Davis is in control of all of his stuff and all of your stuff also because if he says to sell what you have and move, than you better be moving if you want to happily remain in "HIS" organization. It all belongs to him and he has stated that fact quite clearly in conference years ago and I heard it with my own ears.

Why do think the catholic church has more land than ANY other organization, group or individual in the USA? Because the catholic church has capitalized on the efforts of many. Davis and Kekel have capitalized financially on the work that all of you have done and if what I am saying is not true, than why do they own so much property and most of you have so little? This may not matter to you now but what about when you are 70 YEARS OLD and you still have nothing? At that time, it will become obvious that Kekel could care less, because he’s got his!!!!!

Why should you and your family remain poor if it is all right for Davis and Kekel to be rotten rich? So you mean to tell me that GOD wants Davis and Kekel rich while simultaneously wanting to keep you poor? No way, I'm not falling for that. You NTCC ministers need to wake up. Is it fun keeping your family broke, who have followed you through thick and thin. Your WIFE and KIDS, always struggling while RWD's family doesn't have a financial care in the world? Wake up and open your eyes and see what this manipulative man is putting your family through.

Oh I forgot, maybe God has a different standard for your life than he does for Davis and Kekel. God must want Kekel's son to have it all but God wants you to tell your son, "I'm sorry Son but I can't afford the candy bar that you want". "Just try to make those shoes hold out a little longer". "I have Ma,ma on a food budget you know". "She can only spend so much each week and if we spend extra I must report it to Graham."

I decided not to think or live like that. I decided that my family was just as important as RWD's and Kekel's. I decided not to quit a good paying job that certain NTCC leaders thought I should quit. 

I Am Fairly Certain That I Have Figured Out Mike Kekel and the NTCC

Thread #16 I thought about this yesterday evening and I came to some legitimate realizations. Prior to yesterday evening, I have felt like Mr. Kekel was one of the biggest hypocrites that ever stepped behind a pulpit. Well I still feel that way but as I though about it, I can somewhat relate with him. He kind reminds me of a Islamic terrorist because he has been very patient, cunning, and quite calculated when it came to incorporating his NTCC change up / lighten the standards, compromise the rules scheme. I realized last night that no other NTCC minister could have pulled of what Mike Kekel has managed to facilitate, quite effectively I might add.

You see I've concluded that Mike Kekel has never agreed with all the rules that RWD has mandated all along. The average person coming to the NTCC would have left the NTCC a long time ago "IF" they didn't agree with all the man made laws and rules that Mike Kekel has obviously never agreed with. So why did Mike Kekel stick around an organization who's leaders have taught all these stringent rules about modesty, and not watching Video's, and you can't go here or you can't go there when it is obvious that Mike Kekel never agreed with that stuff?

The answer is clear. Once he managed to lock on to RWD's daughter years ago, it became apparent to Kekel that he didn't have to follow any rules that he didn't want to, and there was no way that he would be held accountable because of his relationship with RWD's daughter. There are definite resemblances when you look at the leniency that RWD has shown his daughter and son in law, and the leniency that you see Eli the Priest showing his two sons in the book of 1Sa chapter 2. Once again I would like to make clear that NO ONE else in the NTCC other than Kekel and his wife, could have gotten away with incorporating changes to so many of RWDs rules without any repercussions. Who in the NTCC is going to question Kekel? No one or they will get blacklisted. Once again, Kekel realized that eventually, he not only wouldn't be required to follow the rules but he had enough influence to completely change the rules because of his obvious relationship with RWD's daughter and more importantly the inevitable promotions that he would get because of the continual nepotism that exists throughout NTCCs leadership. And that folks, is exactly what Kekel has done. He has changed the rules that were considered sins that would send you to hell.

Kekel has insulted the intelligence of every NTCCer or exNTCCer with a brain, by suggesting that nothing has changed in the NTCC. He has stated that it is appropriate for a man to wear shorts, because Grant did it playing basketball. He says that it always was OK by NTCC standards. Kekel says that it is appropriate for a man to wear skin tight pants, because Grant did it playing football. He says it always was OK. Kekel says that is is appropriate to go to blue grass festivals until you don't feel comfortable anymore, because he did it. And Kekel and Kinson decided that it was appropriate to watch movies on a LCD screen because Kinson did it and Kekel allowed Grant to do it. They say that it has been OK all along. None of this stuff was previously allowed in the NTCC but Kekel has changed that all and I'm sure that the changes have just begun. None of us could ever have gotten away with any of that stuff because we would have been blasted, ridiculed, ostracized and blacklisted.

Watching TV was absolutely forbidden by all of NTCCs ministers and leaders until they tried once again to insult our intelligence by suggesting that a DVD player connected to a LCD is different than a VCR connected to a TV. To all you idiots who think there is a moral distinction or differentiation between watching a movie on a TV connected to a VCR and watching a movie on a LCD connected to a DVD player; you are just what I called you when I started this run on sentence; AN IDIOT. There is no difference so quit trying to make one up.

So you might ask why it is that I can relate with Kekel while simultaneously still feeling that he is a hypocrite and a liar. Because realistically there never was anything wrong with a man wearing shorts or watching a movie or going to the fair which happened to have a blue grass festival or playing football which requires the players to wear a uniform. RWD made all those rules that Kekel obviously never agreed with and Kekel patiently waited out his time until he gained enough unmovable authority in the NTCC to make all the changes that he wanted to. Because of all the authority that Kekel now has; he knows that there is virtually no possible consequences that could be imposed directly against him as a result of his decisions.

Then why do I say that Kekel is a hypocrite and a liar? Because he continues to deny that any changes have ever taken place and he knows better, and that is why I can't stand him and so many others feel the same way that I do.

Do I blame Kekel for wanting to see some ridicules rules change and or be done away with? NO! Do I blame Kekel for being a liar and a hypocrite when he says nothing has changed in the NTCC? ABSOLUTELY YES!!

Jeff Collins

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I don't think I've beaten this horse enough. The NTCC really misses it when they require that women in the NTCC not work on a job.

Thread #14 I posted this on FACTNet almost a year ago and I think this is a very important subject to hammer home. I always talk about NTCC's double standards because it is near and dear to my heart. I can't stand someone who preaches one thing but practices something totally different. I also have a serious problem with someone who knowingly preaches something that is Biblically incorrect. I ask that we please stay on subject with this one.

I do see the benefit in a woman staying at home with young children that aren't school age. I also see the benefit in the Father or Mother being at home when their children are at home. I personally believe one of the biggest breakdown's in our society is the lack of parenting altogether due to both parents working and rarely being around to raise the children. With that being said there are ways for both parents to work while not sacrificing the time needed for proper child rearing. I have thrown a little humor in this message but please look past the humor and notice the true validity in the statements made.

For all of you who do not know "keepers at home" is ONE word in the greek language; "oikourgos." Greek manuscripts were prominently used to translate the New Testament into English which was the case with "keepers at home" and it was originally one word and not the three that we see in the KJV. To understand the true meaning of the three words; "keepers at home," you must look up the one Greek word "oikourgos," because that is the word that keepers at home was translated from. That one word then meant and still means to be "domestically inclined" or "a good house keeper" or "taking care of household affairs" or "domestic." I used several different references to look up the definition and they all paralleled each other. The word "oikourgos" DOES NOT MEAN nor can it be implied or interpreted to mean, that a woman can not have a job or leave her house. The Bible can not be subjected to any private interpretation and the facts that I've written can not be disputed. RWD and his ministers have given that scripture there own private interpretation for their own private reasons and they are WRONG.

NTCC pastors teach that women should not work on a job; PEROID. NTCC pastors wrongfully try to support this teaching by inaccurately interpreting the scripture that speaks of woman being "keepers at home" which can be found by looking at Titus 2:4-5. Being "keepers at home" once again does not under any circumstances mean that a woman can not have a job that pays her money for her time invested, or she will go to hell along with her husband because he allowed her to do it. It doesn't mean she is wrong if she works on a job either. Read Proverbs Chapter 31 because it definitely stated clearly that it is good for a woman to work on a job and help her husband. You can't pick and choose when the Old Testament is applicable, you bunch of hypocrites that know the truth.

Here's where the true NTCC double standard exists concerning this topic. So if keepers at home means that a woman must be a stayer at home as I've heard some NTCC pastors say, or a woman can not have a job, why doesn't the scripture read:

1 NTCC 1:1 women need to be keepers at home unless they are Tanya Kekel and teach at the NTCC bible college.
1 NTCC 1:2 women need to be keepers at home unless they clean Tanya Kekels home for chump change or nothing at all.
1 NTCC 1:3 women need to be keepers at home unless they clean and maintain Davis's house.
1 NTCC 1:4 women need to be keepers at home unless they get paid to baby sit an NTCC sisters kids so that she can leave her home to go soul winning, “and not be a keeper at home” to bring in more people to the NTCC which will bring in more money for the NTCC so they will be able to teach more women how to be keepers at home.
1 NTCC 1:5 women need to be keepers at home unless their local pastor appoints them as the supply picker upper for the local NTCC church which allows the pastors wife to be a keeper at home when she is not away from the home shopping for herself.
1 NTCC 1:6 women need to be keepers at home unless they are sent to pick up women that want to come to the local NTCC church service to learn about being a keeper at home.
1 NTCC 1:7 women should be keepers at home unless they work in the OFFICE at the NTCS like Olson's wife used to or teach like Ashmore's wife used to when her last name was Duran.

1 NTCC 1:8 women should be keepers unless the local pastor makes an exception to the rule and seeks approval from Graham so the NTCC leadership can pray to the Lord and ask God to change his mind about a woman being a "keeper at home" because the church is running low on money.

1 NTCC 1:9 women should be keepers at home unless they spend so much time shopping and away from the home like Tanya Kekel, that they wouldn't have time for a job even if they wanted one because it would interfere with their shopping time away from the home.

1 NTCC 1:10 women should be keepers at home except for the extensive amount of time spent in church, or at soul winning meetings, or at choir practice. or teaching Sunday School, or at Sunday School meetings, or at women's Bible study, or cleaning up the church or anything else that NTCC leaders figures out for a woman to do other than being a keeper at home.

You see current NTCC pastors and wife’s; this IS a double standard that it is taught that woman should not work at a paid job, but they can do everything under the sun for the local church and church members and church elders and sometimes for pay and go shopping constantly. You can't have it both ways and not be a hypocrite with double standards. You can't make the scripture suit you under some situations but not others. I know why they don't want women to work. Because it makes these men feel that they have lost control and it gives their members a financial stability that the leadership recognizes can also result in a loss of control. It is more important to the leadership to have control over these women for their needs such as cleaning or baby sitting or teaching in the BS or working in the BS office. This way more people can go soul winning and more people can go to their BS because a sister can baby sit for PAY and not be a keeper at home. They say those activities outside the home are alright but forget about a real job. Can you spell DOUBLE STANDARD?

Also why do some pastors try to make an exception to this rule when it financially benefits their church? Click on the link below and you will read a good example on an NTCC pastor who made an exception to the rule and claimed that he had the approval from Graham. This was what was written and you can also click on the link to read the whole story.

Truly Free wrote... All of a sudden the local pastor said that he contacted Graham and the NTCC leadership had decided to make an exception to the rule for her to work. When my time to relocate for the military came, I was asked by the NTCC pastor, to leave my wife behind for 2 YEARS to continue to work and pay the TITHE and OFFERING while doing Sunday school. The pastor’s wife didn't like teaching in the Sunday school so at all costs the pastor attempted to always have someone else in that position, even if it meant separating me and my wife for 2 years. Of course he needed the extra tithe money from my wife’s income because the church was going through financial difficulties having recently lost many tithe paying church members.

http://truestoriesoflifeinthentcc.blogspot.com/2009/03/another-true-testimony-horror-story.html

Jeff Collins

The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly (cont.)

Horror Stories
By Casey Hayes

Thread #13 In all my time in ntcc—I’ve met a lot of abusive pastors. And get this—they were ALL favorites of Davis. What does that tell you? Blumenthal, Mike Marshall, Keith Gandy, Wright, Dennis, Bradeen, Dorsey, and others. They were the Untouchables. They could take advantage of people, treat people like dirt, scream at people over nothing, you name it-- and they could get away with it, because Davis would defend them every time. That's how Denis was able to cause the "split"-- because Davis wouldn't let anyone talk bad about his golden boy. Then when Denis rebelled, Davis said God hid it from him. Bull! Davis hid it from himself. Gandy, Wright and Dorsey are still on the loose. They’ve ruined a lot of lives.

Let me tell you some of my horror stories—and it’s going to take me more than this post to do it. And I’m just skimming the surface, because I could write a book about it all.

· For some reason Blumenthal didn’t like me and always treated me bad. He took every opportunity to rebuke me or put me down in front of others. It was incredible. About 2 days after I got married in 1989, me and my new bride are in church, and Blumenthal starts going off on me from behind the pulpit, and tells me I’m going to hell, in front of the whole church! What was my crime? My wife didn’t quit her nursing job until AFTER we got married! Well, we needed the money, because we were flat broke. What makes a preacher do something like that? What makes someone humiliate someone in front of their new wife, when he could have easily pulled me aside and talked to me privately about the matter?

· After I had been teaching at the college for a couple of years Davis asks me what I want to do. I said, “I would like to train in a successful church”. He likes that—and says go to St. Louis and work with Bradeen. So me, being naïve, I get all excited about it. So I quit my job, rent a truck, tow my car and move my wife and 2 kids to St. Louis on a shoestring budget. After traveling for 3-4 days, I pull into St. Louis, excitedly walk into the church and Bradeen and his wife coldly say, “What are you doing here?” Huh? Apparently Davis didn’t tell them we were coming, and they made it clear we weren’t welcome. And we weren’t.

· So then I inherited Gandy as the pastor. Gandy is hands down the worst person in ntcc—well, next to Davis; next to Wright; next to Dorsey, next to...(fill in the blank). But like all bad pastors, he is a Jeckle and Hyde. He can be charming and funny, and then turn around and be a total jerk for no good reason. But he is a bully at heart. Gandy was always jacking me and my wife up for something. Stupid little things. One time I missed church, because I refused to drive the 20 miles to church in a bad ice storm in St. Louis. Jacked up. Another time I missed soul-winning meeting on Saturday, because we saw huge thunderstorms rolling in, and decided to visit people for church instead. Gandy not only went off on me, but told me in no uncertain terms that I didn’t love God or souls!!! But get this—we were the ONLY people to see anyone for church that day, because of a huge hail storm. Of course, he wouldn’t let me defend myself, because he’s a jerk.


How many of you have been jacked up by a preacher, who wouldn’t let you explain your side of the story, because they didn’t know what they were talking about? That’s the ntcc way. Do you people in ntcc really think “jacking people up” is pleasing to God?

· When I was in Bible school, in St. Louis, I had surgery on both of my feet. I came home from the hospital with strict orders from the doctor to not walk for 7 days. But, guess what? It was a church night. I had to call Rev. Ashmore to get permission to miss church. He didn’t want to give me permission, and gave me a guilt-trip for even wanting to miss service. So I did what every stupid member of ntcc does—I showed up for church barely able to walk. Why does it have to be that way? Wouldn’t a loving pastor tell you to stay home and get well? Not in ntcc! He was probably more concerned about my offering and his church report than me.

Let me tell you some horror stories of friends of mine:

· Mark Trovato and his family lived in “church property” in St. Louis. For those of you who don’t know—this is property owned by some of the ministers in ntcc. Most of these properties are dumps, and some are even condemned by the city. But, that never stops the ministers from guilt-tripping people into renting them. And they will NEVER sink their own money into fixing them, but make you spend your own money. I’m pretty sure that is illegal, according to the rental laws. Well, poor Mark Trovato’s dump had a faulty furnace, that would not shut off. He complained and complained to the St. Louis pastor (I don’t remember who), and was told they would NOT fix it. So what happens? The electric bill comes in and it is $1000!!! Mark cannot pay it. Mark and his family moved soon after that to Arizona to help in a church. So the St. Louis pastor calls Davis to complain that Mark is a deadbeat and doesn’t pay his bills. So Davis orders Trovato to pay the $1000 and takes away his minister’s license. It’s stupid. Trovato is not allowed to give his side of the story-- something that hurts him to this day. I am very happy to report that the Trovato’s do NOT go to ntcc anymore.

· Now let me tell you the sad story of Mark Noel and his family. They were cruely abused by Wright in St. Louis (circa 2004-6). It was bad. I don’t want to relate all the details, but Wright isn’t fit to call himself a Christian let alone a minister. He’s a disgrace. The Noels lived in “church” property where the roof leaked bad every time it rained. Wright refused to fix it and told Mark he had to fix it himself. Wright treated Noel and his wife so bad they don’t want anything else to do with the ministry. The story is ALOT worse than I am explaining, but Noel just keeps it to himself. I jokingly told someone that Wright was so bad Davis would promote him. And guess what? He got promoted to World Missions!!!! I guess Davis felt like 3rd world countries need more misery.

I know that 80% of the ministers in ntcc are good people, but the problem is that the other 20% are the ones in charge! You see, it's not like Kekel makes it out to be. The abuse isn't coming from renegade preachers who don't listen to what they are taught. The abuse comes from those who Davis promotes, and they are just doing what their master Davis has taught them.

Why I left NTCC

By Casey Hayes

Thread #12 I want to explain to everyone why I left ntcc and why I am speaking out against them now. I was in ntcc from 1982 – 2006. Most of those years were as an ordained minister in good standing. When I first left ntcc in 2006, I just wanted to go away quietly, and not say anything negative. But after exhaustively reading all the complaints against ntcc, studying the issues, and talking to people firsthand—I am absolutely convinced that ntcc is a seriously messed up church organization; that it uses cult tactics to manipulate and control it’s preachers and their families; and that their main purpose is to make Davis and the Kekels incredibly rich.

I left ntcc, because I was completely disillusioned with the whole organization, especially the leaders. It became very evident to me that 24 years of loyal service didn’t amount to a hill of beans, and that I would always be broke and in poverty if I remained in ntcc any longer.

Me, my wife and my two kids had just come back from 3 years of intense hardship in Puerto Rico. Although, the church eventually gave us some support there, it was lukewarm support, and Rev. Olson made it very clear that the church could not “afford” to help us more. I won’t go into the details here, but I will say that I sold my house and cars to go to PR, and spent $8000 of my OWN money. In the 3 years we lived there, we had NO furniture—and were broke most of the time. I even got very sick down there (so sick I couldn’t work), but the leadership of ntcc acted like they didn’t care. All they cared about was—church reports and offerings. We were the Fourth couple to go to Puerto Rico (Medina, Casanova & Ramirez went before us), and that ALL the previous couples had also gone through intense financial problems down there, with lukewarm support, if any. It also became very apparent that Rev. Olson (who I have always looked up to), could not make ONE decision, no matter how minor, without getting permission from Davis. I thought he was CEO?

When I got back from PR I was physically, emotionally and spiritually drained. The church gave us a cold welcome. Some of you know what I am talking about. Now, friends of mine were happy to see me, but the leadership’s reception was a lot cooler. I had no possessions, no car, no nothing. But, what shocked me the most was how incredibly wealthy the Kekels and Davis were. Here we were basically starving (as are the missionaries in Panama and elsewhere), but the leaders are living in plush luxury. Olson said the church didn’t have the money to help us properly, but it is because the majority of the money is siphoned off to support the lifestyles of Davis and his family. Is this really what God had in mind? Is this really supported by the Bible? No way! As far as I’m concerned, ntcc is nothing but a big sham, and Davis is just a spiritual conman, who has duped a lot of people into giving all their money and time to make him and his daughter rich. Don’t tell me it’s God blessing, because it’s not. Anyone can guilt trip thousands of people into giving them 10% of their money and then live like kings. God has nothing to do with it.

Let me tell you the thing that pushed me to leave ntcc. Tanya and her mother were constantly coming up to me before and after church to tell me how much they were praying for me. At first I appreciated it, but after a couple of weeks it started getting annoying. I thought, “Why don’t your husbands come up to me?” Why the wives? But, it was basically, “Be ye warmed and filled…” while they went back to their mansions. Well, Tanya felt sorry for me so she gave me a bag full of old towels and sheets. They were wore out and had a hole in them, but I had nothing, so I gratefully took them. The next day I get in my $800 car and am driving down the street, when Tanya drives by in a brand new BMW 745!! That’s like a $100,000 car! It was then that I knew I had absolutely no value to ntcc. After 24 years of faithful service, I was worth a bag of old towels. You or me would have flipped someone $20 and said, go buy yourself some towels and sheets, but not the leadership of ntcc. They weren’t going to part with a penny of their wealth to help anyone, even though their sole income is from the tithes and offerings that you an I give. I calculated that I have given ntcc about $85,000 in tithe over the years. Doesn’t that count for anything? No way. Soon after that I see Mike Kekel tooling around in a brand new convertible Mercedes sports car ($65,000). Their son’s private schooling cost $18,000+ a year. You really get the impression that the Kekels have more money than they know what to do with—but don’t expect them to help you when you’re down and out. What does Tanya and her mother spend most of their time doing? Shopping (and everyone knows it).

Now, for those of you who think I jealous or envious, you’re wrong. I have no problem with a pastor living in a nice house and driving a new car. But, when almost all the church ministers are at the poverty level (and you know they are), while the leadership is living a life of intense luxury—something is seriously wrong. Why don’t you loyal ntccers open your eyes and see the obvious—that Davis has set up ntcc to make his family, and his only, incredibly rich. And he uses cult tactics to guilt trip everybody into giving their hard earned money to make them richer. (Even when I had no money to buy food for my family, or buy my kids clothes, I STILL paid my tithe). Are you aware that Davis’ house is valued at 1.1 million, and that Kekels’ is valued at $650,000. And both houses are decked out with the most expensive drapes, rugs, and furniture money can buy. Yet, if YOU want to buy a house, they will make you feel like you’re selling out God and putting the world first. How come they can have it, but you can’t?

So I left ntcc and it has been great. Yes, it was tramatic at first, because I felt like I had wasted 24 years of my life in a messed-up organization. But, God has blessed and I have made more money and been happier than anytime I was in ntcc. And I know it is God that has blessed me. They want you to think that those who leave ntcc are miserable, but it is ALL A LIE!!. Everyone I know who has left is doing great, and most find another church that appreciates them and lets them do what God wants them to do. There IS life after ntcc, and it is a whole lot better than what you have now.

Lastly, the reason I am speaking out against ntcc is because I am sick of the hypocrisy, the double standards, the fake holiness (where they dress holiness, but act without God’s love and mercy), the abusive pastors who never get punished, and the manipulation through fear and guilt of a lot of good men and women. NTCC has hurt a LOT of people. They have broken up families. They have destroyed good, godly men and women. They have caused much emotional and spiritual damage—sometimes permanently. Why does Tanya and her mother intentionally break up a marriage if one of the couples decides not to attend ntcc anymore? Where is that in the Bible? I thought Jesus said that what God has joined together, man should not separate? What hurt the most for me, was hearing that Davis and Kekel were going around lying about me, and saying I “misappropriated” money sent to us in PR. God and the angels in Heaven know that is a complete lie. They also say I left the church, because I wanted “money”. Sure I do—I was always living in poverty in ntcc, so why not want some money now that I’m out? I’m just trying to take care of my family like the Bible teaches. Davis and Kekel sure love money, and nobody seems to have a problem with that. At least I get my money honestly, without manipulating poor families into giving what they cannot, or jacking people up.

I honestly don’t know why some of you are still in ntcc. I guess, because they are so secretive of everything, and don’t let you talk to others in different works, you don’t see how bad things really are. When you do finally leave and look back with 20/20 vision, you’ll be shocked by what you see. And you’ll wonder why you didn’t leave years ago.