Trick And Treat NTCC Style

The five pictures are NTCC soul winners knocking at your door, an NTCC minister out soul winning, RWDs house, an NTCC ministers house, and the NTCC trick bag.

Most U.S. citizens understand the term "Trick or Treat". Trick-or-treating is a custom for children on Halloween. Children proceed in costume from house to house, asking for treats such as candy, or sometimes money, with the question, "Trick or treat?" The "trick" is an idle threat to perform mischief on the homeowners or their property if no treat is given.

In the NTCC it is a custom for so called "soul winners" to proceed in costume from house to house inviting people to their church. NTCC soul winning and trick or treating are the complete opposite, but not because of reasons that you might think. When a trick or treater comes to your door, you give what would generally be a child a treat, (usually in the form of candy) and they go on their way with no intention to play a trick on you. The difference is, when an NTCC soul

"snatcher" comes to your door, they ask you to allow them to "treat" you to one of their church services only to "trick" you once you attend. That my friends is why I titled this thread, "Trick and Treat". When you give them their treat, (you attending their church service so they can seem like some great soul winner to their pastor and win the sorry soul winning contest) you wind up getting tricked.

They duck and dodge every question about their doctrine, dress codes, lifestyle, what their true intentions are and what their church is all about. They gradually but quite essentially trick you into continual church attendance, for the sake of easing you unknowingly into unwavering loyalty to their leadership and a complete change in lifestyle that in many cases can not be backed by the bible. This is all done with the explicit intent not to get you to become loyal to God, (because they actually don't want that) but to become unequivocally loyal to their leadership regardless of your God given convictions and regardless of what is morally and ethically right. This is where the tricks come in and they really are tricks. They play tricks on you to test your loyalty. I know of a pastor by the name of Mayers who openly stated during church service, that he would have his wife get up at 2 or 3 in the morning just to fix him a cup of coffee as a means to test her loyalty and submissiveness. What kind of crazy trick is that for NTCC ministers to teach?? NTCC pastors are notorious for saying something humiliating or embarrassing to you just to test your reaction and loyalty. What kind of trick is that??? The NTCC leadership is notorious for having their ministers, (other than Kekel) pack up their bags and move at the drop of a dime, regardless of the consequences for no other reason than to test their loyalty to the leadership, because it certainly has nothing to do with their loyalty to God.

The NTCC is so thoroughly full of tricks that it is absolutely sickening. I would gladly receive a group of harmless Halloween Trick or Treaters at my door any day rather than a group of NTCC soul snatchers who are anything but harmless, and who can thoroughly mess up and ruin your life just to leave you in much need of major repair. Where is the real evil?

Trick or Treaters of NTCC soul snatchers? I've witness so many lives get messed up by the NTCC that I am absolutely certain of the answer and it ain't the trick or treaters. Buddy the NTCC is a down right evil organization and I know. I am an eye witness to all their shenanigans. Beware, leave while you can! There is testimony after testimony of lives becoming totally messed up by the NTCC. You will waist more time and more opportunities in life messing with the NTCC than you can possibly imagine, just to try and pick up the pieces later. Enter their doors if you dare.

Jeff

Why Do So Many NTCC Pastors Drive A Car That Is A Complete Piece Of Junk?

I was just talking to friend who is also an exNTCCer, and we began to get into a discussion about automobiles. As we discussed this topic we began to remember instances of NTCC pastors driving vehicles that were complete, unreliable pieces of garbage. Why? I know that for years RWD has taught that it is a complete waist of money to buy new vehicles because of depreciation.

Well I have a Toyota Corolla that I bought brand new, which now has very close to 300,000 miles on it. It is in very nice shape, original engine and transmission both of which are very strong with never a leak from either. Do you think I got my money out of it? Who ever thinks I haven't is an idiot. I got free oil changes from the dealership for the first 200,000 miles every three thousand miles. That is almost a $1700 savings right there. The car has never broke down on me ONE TIME.

What is my point here? I can't tell you how many times I've seen an NTCC pastor with an old broke down vehicle that they bought used. Transmission problems, electrical problems and on and on and on. What is peace of mind worth to someone? Why did NTCC pastors have to be so broke that they could only afford to drive an old vehicle that had more mechanical problems than sewer has rats. Just about every NTCC pastor that I ever had owned a piece of junk. I would say everyone but I don't remember out of the six what the second one drove. All the rest had junk. I don't remember any of them with a vehicle that just didn't have any problems. I'm not talking small stuff, I'm talking major stuff. I can remember three of them right off the top of my head who had vehicles with transmission problems and buddy that is a problem. Can you spell tow truck and junk yard?

I know why they drove junk. Because the NTCC kept them with a poor house mentality. They drove junk and thought little of it because a substantial number of their comrades drove junk and it simply seemed good to them. It became the standard or the norm, and buying a new car was taboo in the NTCC. Don't get me wrong; there is nothing wrong with buying a good used car but the junk that I saw these NTCC pastors driving took it to a whole different level. Prove that I'm lying and I'll pull this whole thread down and delete it. Folks driving 3 and 4 hundred$ sweat boxes with no AC while poor little Joey (who didn't ask to be in his predicament) rides in the back drenched in his own sweat. You treat your own family and children like that? I'm glad I'm not your kid. If you would just stop for a moment and think about what I'm writing you could change but the NTCC has your brain so far up in the clouds that you've never come back down to earth, so just keep DOGGING our your own family while you do no more than take care of Kekel's. Once again RWD was riding fat while the whole time half of his ministers or more were riding on no more than the hope that their piece of junk wouldn't break down before they got to their next location. Unfortunately their cars often did break down with no hope of repair and the end result was yet another piece of junk towed to the junk yard while RWD and the Kekel were both riding fat.

Well baby I still drive my ever reliable Corolla with nice cold AC, and a Camry that I picked up which runs quite nicely, (nothing wrong with having three cars; my daughter is getting ready to start driving anyway) and my wife drives around in a brand new 2009 with factory Pioneer sound, MP3 and ipod connections built in, tire pressure monitoring system, vehicle stability control, traction control, 4 wheel anti lock breaks with electronic brake force distribution and brake assist, with front and side curtain airbags, fog lamps and projector beam head lights to see good at night while driving on these dark country roads. Safety baby, and my wife and kids deserve nothing less. Air so cold it will blow you right out. There are no guarantees in life but at least I know that I put my best foot forward in trying to keep my family safe on these busy roads. Insurance Institute for Highway Safety Top Pick and number one in Consumer Reports for reliability. Another brand new car built by the wonderful Toyota Motor Corporation. You can buy those old junk gas guzzling Cadillac's that were built by bankrupt GMC who had to get about three bailouts if you want to just so you can impress old RWD. I'll try to put yet another $300,000 miles on my TOYOTA and it will probably still out last your Cadillac. You can have your loving family and kids running around in an unsafe pile of junk if you want to while RWD is riding fat but as for me and more specifically my family, they deserve better than that. If it is good enough for the Davis's and Kekel's, it's good enough for my family. I'm talking about having nice stuff. If you don't think your family deserves nice stuff like RWD and the Kekel's that is your problem.

Unfortunately it is ultimately your wife and kids who are suffering while the Kekel's pockets just get fatter and while GK get's more nice things daily. I saw the pictures of Kekel's house on his website; real nice. You can't fault the man for making sure his family is taken care of and he doesn't care what he has to do to make it happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know the guy fleeces the sheep and he twist things all around to fit his agenda but he's got his family living good while a good bunch of his ministers have been driving pieces of JUNK for years and getting their families stranded. I'll bet GK has never been stranded? I'll bet Tanya has never been stranded? Come on now; can I "really" blame Kekel for taking "real good" care of his family just because I'm too blind to stop filling his pockets while mine are empty? GK has everything; the best education (about $20.000 a year), great sports participation which builds competitiveness, the nicest electronics, a foosball table, basket ball court, ping pong table, trips to Canada; man the list must go on and on and maid service compliments of NTCC wives which put their name on a never ending list to go and clean the Kekels house and do their laundry and pick their weeds. Wow, wow, wow!!!! How does it feel to get pimped? I'm done with it. Now I take care of my family and if I have to work extra hours to make it happen then so be it and I don't have to worry about some NTCC crook like Kekel laying some guilt trip on me because I work a lot of hours to take care of my family. If I die today, my family is WELL taken care of, BELIEVE IT!!!

Crooks or not, the Kekels aren't hurting for anything and they've "never" had to worry about where their next dollar was going to come from. How many of you NTCC ministers can make that claim? Some but few. You will never stop worrying about money and your old broke down car, as long as the only thing that you ever work for is RWD's organization because it's not Gods organization. Remember the 39 acres baby. Chances are if you don't marry into wealth in the NTCC, you'll be driving a old broke down car like just about every NTCC pastor that I ever had. Start taking care of your family and stop allowing the NTCC's ridiculous schedule to prevent you from doing it. If you don't provide for your own and especially for those of your own house, the Bible says you are worse than an infidel. You can think you are saved if you want but the Bible tells a different story my friend. I would rather die with fat pockets having worked for a living and risk going to hell then die having not taken care of my family and guarantee that hell is where I'm headed because according to the Bible I'm worse than an infidel.

You're going to heaven hey? Only if Paul didn't have it right with Timothy about you being worse than an infidel in 1Tim 5.8. How in the world are you going to heaven if you are worse than an infidel? NTCC folks are going to see a whole bunch of hard working folks in heaven, who made an "HONEST" living here on earth while they themselves are cast out because they let the NTCC play them like Old Sammy the Sausage Head. Old Willie Nillie sitting back broke while the Kekels pockets just get fatter off of all your long years of hard work. Ha!!!

Jeff

The NTCCs Bag Of Tricks.

I person who posts here and goes by the screen name "blovd" posted this message in the previous thread and I responded. I though it was good enough to stick on the front.

blovd wrote...

I was told once when I went to visit a relative that was in ICU, that I was hindering the work of God, because they needed me in the church to do the things that I had done always like teach the kids, clean the church, go soul-winning, go visit during the week, attend prayers meetings.

Jeff wrote...

And that is the NTCCs favorite set of tricks. It's actually moderately complex. The reason NTCC pastors act like that is ultimately because of RWD. For years he has brought heat upon his pastors. The end result is whats known as "poop flowing downhill". Trick #1. RWD knows and has known for years that if he places enough heat under his pastors they will in turn put heat under their church members hence, "poop flowing downhill". All an NTCC pastor cares about is his report. If the pastor doesn't figure out how to boost the figures on his report, he won't last long or he won't remain a pastor long.

As the higher leadership puts heat under the pastors butt, the pastor puts heat on his congregation. If the money and numbers don't rise, the heat rises right under your butt. NTCC pastors generally don't care about your life and that fact has been proven time and time again. They could care less about your parents, children, aunts, uncles, etc. All they care about is money and numbers because that's what RWD has taught for years. Trick #2. RWD uses money and number as the litmus test. It's actually not a totally bad indicator except that RWD and his henchmen don't even care what means or methods a pastor uses to get the "money and numbers", hence Ron Denis!!!!!! RWD thought Denis was the greatest while the money and numbers were there, but the proof is in the pudding my friend and we know how the game ended. Strike Three, Your OUT!!!

If you going to see someone in ICU means less money or numbers for the pastor then the pastor will try to prevent you from going by using the method of "guilt tripping". Trick #3. They consistently try to make you feel like you are "neglecting God". And that my friends is Trick #4!!!! This is the exact point where we all got brainwashed. It happened right at (Trick #4).

Generally NTCC pastors could care less about your quality of life as long as your life is totally given for the furtherance of their agenda. If your plans don't line up with their agenda then they routinely put the heat on you or RWD and Olson will put the heat on them!!! It's just that simple and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with Gods agenda. It's the truth.

Summery. Trick #1; poop flowing down hill (put the heat on). Trick #2; money, numbers and the (REPORT). Trick #3; guilt trip your church members. Trick #4; convince your church members they are neglecting GAWWWWWD in everything they do which goes right in line with trick #3. The Big Brainwash!!!!!!!

Jeff

What Kind Of Church Are You A Part Of?

Attached below is a link that pdq posted within the previous thread. It is a link to a test entitled "$uper Apostle Detector". I think this test tells quite a bit about any church obviously including the NTCC. I'm not usually a fan or at all interested in these kind of tests but I actually thought this one was good. Just take the test and see what you come up with. It's not very long, and it should only take about 3 to 5 minutes. The key to this test is that you must be honest while answering all of the questions. I personally though all but a few of the questions were quite good. I'm interested in hearing some responses concerning your test results. The hyperlink is posted directly below, just click on it and the test should come right up.

http://www.cultwatch.com/SuperApostleDetector.html?x=82&y=44

Take care,

Jeff

Raise Your Hands And Worship The Lord?

A loyal blogger here that goes by the screen name (CM or Christian Mom) wrote this in a previous thread: "New thread idea's for you Jeff. The raising of the hands as soon as RW or someone says's Lets Have Church!"

Well I thought that was a good idea for a topic. I was a song leader while with the NTCC and of course between each song everyone was prompted to raise their hands and worship the Lord. Service would always start out that way as well. I must have made that statement about 5000 or 10,000 times, "Why don't we raise our hand and worship God."

As time went on, I realized that the practice of raising our hands and hollering out to the Lord had become nothing more than a heartless ritual. With their hands raised, half the people didn't say anything and the other half said the same things more often than not, over and over. We would sing a song and then after the song, "raise your hands and worship God", and then we would sing another song and immediately after "raise your hands and worship God", and then after the preaching, "raise your hands and worship God", or the preacher would get physically exhausted because of all his yelling during the service and to give himself a break he would say, "raise your hands and worship the Lord".

What was really happening there folks? Was that practice truly spiritual or had it become merely a learned ritual? I would say the latter for certain. I would periodically glance at the congregation between songs and some folks would be just looking at me with their hands raised, others would have their hands raised with a grimace on their face like they were getting ready to give birth, others would be screaming and hollering the same words over and over and yet others would be doing absolutely nothing but looking very uncomfortable. I went to visit Barnes church in Mississippi on a few occasions and his congregation had essentially discontinued the practice of raising their hands between songs or before service. I'm not a big fan of Barnes or any other NTCC pastor for that matter, but I can understand why Barnes would have decided not to make the raising of hands a ritual in his church.

The point I'm making here is that many of the NTCC ritualistic practices were fake as the day is long. For example, NTCC pastors would stand up behind the pulpit and get all excited while screaming, spitting, blowing and crying service after service. It was more often than not nothing but a show. Mayers would do it constantly and Oberhauser didn't even start doing it until right before we left the NTCC. It was obvious that it wasn't easy for Oberhauser to get all excited but he would try his best to make it happen. To the left is good image depicting NTCC preachers as they got themselves all worked up behind the pulpit while quite often verbally abusing and mistreating their congregations. I'm confident that you can figure out what species of animal that is because there is no better animal and probably no better picture that could effectively and accurately depict an abusive NTCC preacher.

The fact is, the NTCC was very often just as fake and overly charismatic as the Pentecostal church that the NTCC regularly spoke against. That was certainly an example of the pot calling the kettle black.

Jeff