Mike Kekel quoted:
1 Tim 5:16 If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.
Mike Kekel wrote:
"To date, we've had none that qualify by the Bible. I'm sorry if that presents for you or the Shunks an inconvenience, but God wrote it, not NTCC. People are taught this in Bible College, they cannot claim ignorance."
Chief quoted:
1Cor 16:1-2 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
Chief wrote: Below is a copy of the portion of the NTCCs doctrinal statement concerning tithes.
Tithe
We recognize the scriptural duty of all people as well as ministers, to pay tithes unto the Lord. (Heb. 7:8) Tithes should be used for the support of the active ministry and for the propagation of the Gospel and the work of the Lord. It is not to be given to charity or used for other purposes. (Mal. 3:7–11; Heb. 7:2; 1 Cor. 9:7–11; 16:2)
Chief asked: So why did the NTCC include 1 Cor 16:2 if they are really so concerned about doctrinal purity as Mike wants to point out as I've illustrated above. In Strong's, look up the word "collection" which was taken up for the saints in 1Cor 16. It is word number 3048 in the Strong's numbering system. The word "collection" in 1Cor 16 means and I quote: "a collection of money gathered for the relief of the poor" end of quote. If there is any doubt about what I've written I've attached a hyperlink which you can click that verifies my absolute, concrete conclusion. Read it for yourself and click the link below and please keep an open mind. The word "gatherings" used in 1Cor 16:2 means the exact same thing. Strong's #3048. Click on the link.
The point I'm making here is that the NTCC and Mike Kekel will use the Bible in a hot second, if it supports their desire to not provide financial support for a widow, (indeed or not) but they will plainly twist the scriptures (which I've proven they do) while misusing and deceitfully using the Bible to support their greedy desire to get financial support from you. 1Cor 16:2 has absolutely nothing to do with paying tithe but it does have to do with taking up a collection of money for the purpose of relieving the poor Saints in the church which any NTCC Widow falls in the category of whether or not she can be truly considered a "Widow indeed".
What is also interesting is that the NTCC uses 1Cor 16 in a feeble attempt to justify paying 10% of your income to the church however in their doctrinal statement they say that tithe can not be given to charity (which in complete contrast to their doctrinal statement) is exactly what the folks were in fact doing in 1Cor 16:2. I quote again, "a collection of money gathered for the relief of the poor" and more specifically a collection taken up to for the relief of the poor Saints in the Christian church as can be plainly seen in 1Cor 16:1.
3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
4 And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.
5 Now I will come unto you, when I shall pass through Macedonia: for I do pass through Macedonia.
Now look at the account of the same event found in Romans.
Rom 15:25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.
26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
Neither one of those two passages have JACK to do with paying tithe so why does the decieptful NTCC leadership include 1 Cor 16:2 in their doctrinal statement to justify the doctrine of compulsory tithing? Because they are crooks and you NTCCers are dummies because you don't question them and you blindly buy off on this mess. Whether or not you believe in tithing is not the issue here; that's entirely up to you. The issue here is that your stinking sorry sad hypocritical NTCC leadership is willfully misusing the scriptures in this case and you NTCCers are too stupid and brainwashed to see and admit the obvious.
16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
2 Upon
the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as
God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.3 And when I come, whomsoever ye shall approve by your letters, them will I send to bring your liberality unto Jerusalem.
4 And if it be meet that I go also, they shall go with me.
5 Now I will come unto you, when I shall pass through Macedonia: for I do pass through Macedonia.
Now look at the account of the same event found in Romans.
Rom 15:25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.
26 For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.
Neither one of those two passages have JACK to do with paying tithe so why does the decieptful NTCC leadership include 1 Cor 16:2 in their doctrinal statement to justify the doctrine of compulsory tithing? Because they are crooks and you NTCCers are dummies because you don't question them and you blindly buy off on this mess. Whether or not you believe in tithing is not the issue here; that's entirely up to you. The issue here is that your stinking sorry sad hypocritical NTCC leadership is willfully misusing the scriptures in this case and you NTCCers are too stupid and brainwashed to see and admit the obvious.
So what we see here folks is a bunch of NTCC leaders who will use the Bible to justify them receiving and keeping your money but not giving it for the relief of the poor which I guarantee virtually all NTCC widows fall in the category of. Please study what I've written here folks.
Chief
