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Chief, I was thinking about how the org, goes about trying to make converts? I remember going to a conference and much was said about this new method that "they" found out, was the most successful in bringing "people to God" which was door knocking. I remember mck was the one who oversaw this event and gave instructions on how to do it. They even gave each of the ministers a booklet that explained all kinds of things like having cards made for each of the people that would visit, I mean, it was really involved. Now I look back at this, and I think this was a way for the printing shop to make money, because just a few years back, rwd, had been asking for pledges for the printing shop, and encouraging the pastors to order church cards from the org. and all kinds of stuff that the printing shop had.
The "door knocking" method that mck taught that conference, involved making visitation cards, sending letters of welcome, soul-winning booklets, pamphlets, some people even ordered their own cards from the printing shop with their name and phone number on them, so as to look more professional, and these people were looked at as really being dedicated to the work of God!
Now that all is said and done, I really didn't see churches really exploding in attendance, because they implemented this so called "God's method" I remember people being chastised from the pulpit for not going "all the way" in doing what mck taught in that conference. I remember rwd saying that the method they taught was the real way of soul-winning and if you didn't do it the way they told you then you were a rebel and God was not going to bless you, and that is why you didn't have any people in the church, because God doesn't bless disobedience!
Maybe some of the pastors out there can come and put their 2 cents worth here, on how they are really bringing people out by the throngs by doing it God's way!
The "door knocking" method that mck taught that conference, involved making visitation cards, sending letters of welcome, soul-winning booklets, pamphlets, some people even ordered their own cards from the printing shop with their name and phone number on them, so as to look more professional, and these people were looked at as really being dedicated to the work of God!
Now that all is said and done, I really didn't see churches really exploding in attendance, because they implemented this so called "God's method" I remember people being chastised from the pulpit for not going "all the way" in doing what mck taught in that conference. I remember rwd saying that the method they taught was the real way of soul-winning and if you didn't do it the way they told you then you were a rebel and God was not going to bless you, and that is why you didn't have any people in the church, because God doesn't bless disobedience!
Maybe some of the pastors out there can come and put their 2 cents worth here, on how they are really bringing people out by the throngs by doing it God's way!
Great topic and post, written by someone with a good recollection.
Chief wrote...
I remember this event vividly as I was also at that conference. I also remember RWD saying that if any pastor thought he had a better method for soul-winning, and that pastor could prove his method with significant numbers of personnel in church, then RWD himself would visit the church, verify the effectiveness of the pastors program and implement it. RWD also prefaced the whole introduction of MCK's program by saying that MCK was a proven leader, and MCK's soul-winning program was a proven method, and every pastor needed to implement Kekel's program without exception. Then we went back to Atlanta and Mayers took the program to whole new level making it more tedious than the one that Kekel introduced in the first place. Mayers insisted that we write out two copies of our soul-winning reports by hand vs using the computer, which was a bunch of garbage. I'm disgusted that I even adhered to Mayers mandates for one second. I should have told him to go take a long walk off a short pier. Thank God my family and I didn't stay at that church very long after all that garbage was implemented. It was slavery and bondage, no more, no less. It was like living under the law while answering to a control monger. Grace had been thrown out the door.
Chief
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Chief, I was thinking about how the org, goes about trying to make converts?
I remember going to a conference and much was said about this new method that "they" found out, was the most sucessful in bringing "people to God" which was door knocking.
I remember mck was the one who overseed this event and gave instructions on how to do it. They even gave each of the ministers
a booklet that explained all kinds of things like having cards made
for each of the people that would
visit, I mean, it was really invol-ved.
Now I look back at this, and I
think this was a way for the prin-
ting shop to make money, because
just a few years back, rwd, had
been asking for pledges for the
printing shop, and encouraging
the pastors to order church cards
from the org. and all kinds of stuff that the printing shop had.
The "door knocking" method that mck taught that conference, involved making visitation cards, sending letters of welcome, soulwinning booklets, pamphplets, some people even ordered their own cards from the printing shop with their name and phone number on them, so as to look more professional, and these people were looked at as really being dedicated to the work of God!
Now that all is said and done, I really didn't see churches really exploding in attendance, because they implemented this so called
"God's method"
I remember people being chastised from the pulpit for not going "all the way" in doing what mck taught in that conference.
I remember rwd saying that the method they taught was the real way of soul-winning and if you didn't do it the way they told you then you were a rebel and
God was not going to bless you, and that is why you didn't have any people in the church, because God doesn't bless disobedience!
Maybe some of the pastors out there can come and put their 2 cents worth here, on how they are really bringing people out by the throngs by doing it God's way!
Anonymous said:
"I remember going to a conference and much was said about this new method that "they" found out, was the most sucessful in bringing "people to God" which was door knocking."
DnA said:
They had all kinds of gimmicks and propaganda to get people to come out to church. At the home at Ft. Bragg we all put CB's in our cars and used them communicate "just in case" someone called for a ride at the last minute, in which case we could turn back around and drive another 10 miles to pick them up and bring them to church.
I thought that God chose the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. I don't ever remember Jesus sending people out to invite people to hear Him speak, but rather he sent them out to do the same thing he was doing: heal the sick, preach the gospel. The ntcc, doesn't want that. They don't want or trust you to do anything on your own. It's a numbers game. The more people you invite out to church meant more potential suckers sitting in the church pews that were potential tithe payers.
You are definitely right about this Anon, the ntcc is all about turning a profit and the ntcc print shop was nothing more than another stream of income to them. The ntcc is just like any other business, except they camouflage themselves as a non-profit organization that loves people and has a burden for the lost. It said right on the church cards that we handed out: A home away from home. Yeah, right. Not only will we preach the gospel to you, but we will be your new family. Your family didn't raise you right so we will make sure that we are your new mother and father. It was more like a prison than a home. Of course we made the best out of a bad situation but we missed out on life.
DnA
One very effective way of exposing the ntcc as a cult is to take a close look at how ridiculous some of their rules are. If anyone can think of any rules that were imposed on them, that make normal people cringe we would appreciate some feedback.
For example: No Bar-B-ques allowed.
These are the types of rules that distinguish the ntcc as a cult. I know that Bar-B-ques are are now a mainstay in the ntcc, but we used to get plowed for these types of things. What is it about a Bar-B-que that is sinful? What was it that Rwd saw that set him off?
I think we might have to grill out this weekend in memory of this stupid rule.
DnA
"I think we might have to grill out this weekend in memory of this stupid rule. " by DnA
Rebels!
Well, I worked at the print shop when it first started, and I know that it made them money, and given how much they like that, I can see them leveraging it with a bogus "soul winning" program. I got paid $10/hr under the table. At that point it was just sort of a shoestring part time thing. I remember printing 500 copies of the bylaws, which they then sold at conference for $5 a pop. I'm sure I only made about $50, and most of the paper and maybe even the ink was donated by my kind Christian employer. That translates into a 5,000% profit.
These guys are master chiselers; they nickel and dime the flock to death. Whoever heard of an organization that makes you PAY to learn the rules which regulate you, and insures that they make an obscene profit doing so? It's like selling that stale donated bread in the "fellowship" hall. Pay for this, pay for that. Let the Sunday school teachers shift for themselves and buy materials out of their own pockets. Make people feel guilty if they don't feather the nests of the elite. Extort labor, get them to shine your shoes and wash your car. What a scam!
As far as door knocking? What a farce. I remember one conference, before Mike was anointed with the Graham pastorship, where RW ridiculed people for door knocking, saying it was a waste of time. In fact, in class, he taught us that we should go to a city and get a radio show, and that people would write in and we could follow up with them and have bible studies in their homes until we could get them in the boat enough to fork up for a building. I never heard of anyone who made that plan work either. Not too many conferences later, he was saying what a waste of money the radio thing was, blasting some who had tried it, and telling us that people would think we were in some kind of cult (you think?) if we didn't have a building. One conference he mocked Tom Wright for hauling books around, saying that you can't preach from a book. I knew one guy who got rid of a bunch of books after hearing that, only to go to another conference where he blasted preachers for being ignorant and recommend--you guessed it--that they get some books! It was schizoid. He should wear flipflops in the pulpit.
I remember going also to a conference and I was trying to be spiritual, asking people from Graham how they soul-win in Graham
and low and behold, to my surprise I learned that the whole thing was changed! They didn't go soulwinning on Sat, or gave away church pamphlets, they gave cards and they went on Monday or whatever day mck wanted to.
I was astonished because I remember distinctly the pastor of our church and also some of the overseers that came around, telling us that we must do it the way it was taught! Because only then God will bless our effort.
I remember our pastor got in trouble because he didn't leave the pamphlets on doors because he saw that some pamphlets he had left on the "not homes" were just thrown away or the wind blew them, and he thought: why waste money, let's just give them to the people that answer the door. WRONG!
The overseers had come around that time and I remember the last night that the overseer preached, he came with both barrels loaded.
Someone wrote...
I remember distinctly the pastor of our church and also some of the overseers that came around, telling us that we must do it the way it was taught! Because only then God will bless our effort.
Jeff said...
And I can tell you this for certain with absolutely no DOUBT!!! That is a bunch of garbage. That is nothing but a psychologically manipulative cult tactic. When they told you that, they were essentially placing themselves on an equal level with God. They were saying that God operates and blesses as direct result of what they say and (listen to this) NOTHING MORE!!!! They were saying that the only way that God blesses is if you do what "THEY SAY". So they control God now hey????? Boy ain't that a bold, proud, overly confident statement. That is a bunch of pure unadulterated trash. I'll say the opposite and I believe I'm right. Because of there haughtiness and their overly proud statements, God would do anything but bless under those circumstances. God is no part of that mess.
It's a numbers game, pure and simple. If you knock on enough doors, invariably some people will come to church and God likely won't involve himself with it one way or another. You don't think so?
If enough bank robbers try to rob a bank, eventually someone will get away with it. Did God bless that plan? You read about it all the time. Bank robbers do occasionally get away with it. Clearly it's not right but God allows it to happen all the time. Why do murders happen? Why do rapes happen? Why do burglaries happen? Why do car jackings take place? Why do brutal home evasions where family members and children get beat to death take place? Why do little kids get raped and beaten to death and even on rare occasions get buried alive? Because God allows it!!!!!! So being that we know that God allows all kinds of evil deeds to be perpetuated in this world daily, (which we know for certain does happen) then why should it be a strange thing for God to allow the NTCCs crooked leadership to prosper and people still come to church when they're invited? Because it's a numbers game and the more you invite the more will come regardless of who's directives you follow.
I can't stand the NTCC one bit and I could go out tomorrow and invite people to the local NTCC church and I'll guarantee you some people that I invite would show up. So the moral to the story is that these NTCC false prophets are full of it. God blesses who and when he blesses and he allows what he allows and if you think you have God all figured out and under your thumb you are blind and quite ignorant. Thousands of people to include me have come to an NTCC church and over time the majority who've visited or attended have left. The same NTCC leaders who say you have to do things "THEIR" way, are the same false prophets who've run off the thousands who they invited in the first place because they are abusive jerks.
Chief
Jeff,
I was thinking isn't it strange how God likes and dislikes the same things that RWD does. I wonder if RWD set himself up as god. When pride walks on stage God walks off...
LTravis
No doubt Larry. When RWD talks, God listens. Right?
the door knocking was just another business method to canvas areas for more money.
if you were a salesman, you'd go door to door to find out who was interested.
so, davis, could accomplish more with all of us going door to door.
pimps in the pulpit
thinking they're legit
instead of pimpin' hoes
they pimp the fold
they have an offering for this
and an offering for that
everytime the offering comes round
im putting money in the pastors hat
Here is the link to "The Soul Winners Guidebook (all 28 pages)" referenced above:
http://www.slideshare.net/dsorgs/soul-winners-guidebook
Gregory
Gregory said:
"Here is the link to "The Soul Winners Guidebook (all 28 pages)"
DnA said:
Let me guess- lots of forms you can buy from the print shop
Guest book
Active Guest list form
Church letter template
Visitation Cards
Church Cards
I can't believe these morons published peoples actual addresses of their contacts in this soul winning booklet. I guess there is no privacy for potential cult members either.
The photo of Mike, Tanya and Grant also adds a nice personal touch with the caption: "It's All About You".
This is another black hole and waste of time that the ntcc has come up with. Now, not only can you spend huge portions of your life inviting people out to your cult meetings, but you can stay up all night filling out forms on how your potential cult members are responding to your continual harassment. Don't forget to pray for them all. What a bunch of brainwashed fanatics. Yes Sir, Yes Sir Three bags full! When can we start? Can we get our new soul winning materials Fed-Ex'd to us so we can start bringing out droves of people to our brainwashing control center? In all actuality this program reeks of narcissism and more control.
I understand the need for organization but this is micro-management and a big waste of time and money. I wonder how this program is working for them now? In this propaganda, Kekel boasts of 1200 attendees. Last I heard the numbers had dwindled considerably. I guess you would have to treat folks like human beings if you wanted them to stick around. What good does it do to have all these flow charts and chuch letters and visitation cards and to keep perfect attendance records if you are going to treat people like garbage?
More control, more rules, more work, more money and more commitment to what end? So you can search out and hunt down potential tithe payers, so they can do the same thing you are doing. What a huge waste of a Christians life.
Has it ever occurred to these control mongers that if you were to emphasize trust, love, mercy and human decency in your churches that maybe God could do the work that you are trying so desperately to accomplish? What good does it do you to invite the entire population of Graham out to church if you are going to treat them like a bunch of peons so you can live high on the hog off of their income?
Oh, I forgot, It's all about you.
DnA
LTravis said...
Jeff,
"I was thinking isn't it strange how God likes and dislikes the same things that RWD does."
LTravis
We all know that R'Dub is the 4th adjunct of the Trinity. I used to think that he could read peoples minds, and had the ability to know what was in peoples hearts. So, when he would be staring you down, God was actually in his ear telling him about all the battles that you were having with lust, evil thoughts, temptation in general, and the like. No, he never said any of this, But in the environment that I was in he did nothing to dispel or challenge those rumors, and things that were being said about him. I suppose it was his mystique that intimidated people, and he did nothing to dispel those ridiculous notions. Now, I can laugh about it, But back then it was very intimidating and downright scary.
Anonymous Chief said...
The first time I ever saw RWD he stared me down. He did that deliberately. It's a psychological tactic he uses. He's trying to get in your head and it probably works quite often on young impressionable GIs.
When he was staring at me I got the same impression that you did. It was like he was reading me but I know better now. He wasn't reading jack. That's why they have you write down your most personal experiences at the NTCS. That is one of the ways they get the upper hand on you. Cults do that kind of stuff.
Chief
Of all the bad men, religious bad men are the worst-CSLewis
Ain't that the truth. I don't have a problem with openly dishonest crooks. You know they are crooks and you know aht you are getting. Religious crooks are the worst. They trick you into trusting them under the disguise of religion. That's where they get you. Those NTCC religious crooks play people as bad or worse than anyone else can.
Chief
Anon said "We all know that R'Dub is the 4th adjunct of the Trinity. I used to think that he could read peoples minds, and had the ability to know what was in peoples hearts."
Actually, when he was staring you down he was really just passing gas and that was his way of covering it up!! He farted in my car one time and it just about killed us all. That "but wipe" was so "stinkin" gross it isn't even funny.
He stared my wife down one time and she said it gave her the creeps. She said you see the desire in his eyes. After that night she never wanted to be around him alone again. R'dub is a CREEP!!!!
"No, he never said any of this..."
Oh, he did too. He told us that he could just look at us and read us like a book, and that he knew more about us in an instant than we knew about ourselves. He promoted the legend that God would give him a word of knowledge about any secret. That's what all that staring and scowling from the platform was about, making us think he was scanning us and trying our hearts and reins like some kind of psychic. We were all in awe of his vast powers, not realizing it was merely the Wizard of Oz effect, and that he's just a charlatan and a deceiver.
Jeff said:
"When he was staring at me I got the same impression that you did. It was like he was reading me but I know better now."
I used to get in to very long staring contests with R-dub. Wasn't sure why, and it really seemed out of place and weird in a creeped out way. In the living room at the Servicemen's Home in Fayetteville, NC with about 10 to 12 people present in total silence. He would stare into your eyes and you felt if you didn't hold his gaze there was something wrong. He would try to look through you as if he were all knowing and it felt like a challenge to your Christianity. I won a few of these staring contests and he won more. After an individual staring contest was over, You'd try to change the subject and bring up something to break the awkward silence but there were never any takers. He would start staring again. Didn't know if I should or shouldn't participate in all this staring but felt like it was necessary for some reason. It was more like psychological warfare than anything else. A bunch of mind games.
DnA
Chief, I don't know why they would put mck in charge of that program because I don't think he or his wife ever attended the door knocking effort.
How can you oversee a program when you yourself haven't proven it.
Unless I'm wrong but just going on what the graham people would say about this endevour, they never commmented about the kekels being a part of it.
Anonymous said...
Chief, I don't know why they would put mck in charge of that program because I don't think he or his wife ever attended the door knocking effort.
Chief said...
That's easy to figure out. Why is MCK in charge of anything? Nepotism!!! It's not what you know it's who you know. It's like that in everyday life and it's certainly like that in the NTCC. It's a family matter. Any minister in the NTCC can see that as plain as day. Nepotism at it's best.
Chief
Get one of those aha moments. What kind of people make up ntcc Before the joined ntcc. The military and usually low ranking military. Lower income civilians. Why is that? And then they stay? My theory is there on a power trip that they would never have gotten with just there highschool diploma! They got folks that pretend to respect them,look up to them in awe as the man of gawd! I know i got hooked because of the pretend love and home feeling at the servicemen homes. Then I got married and I was hooked. Slowly you become the mindless robot they want you to become!!
There is mention made about how rw davis stares you down. Folk a good step to feeling like your own person. Stare right back. Or Mike K. he does the samething! Those men are not above you and there wives are not any more special then you are a low peon minister wife!! Assert yourself and keep your identity!
April
Tell them to stop staring at you. Say, "Hey dude, you got a problem?" "Do you like me or something?" "Well if you don't then why are you staring at me?" "Are you gay?" "Find someone else to stair at like your wife or is she too ugly?"
Ha, ha. That would put a stop to that mess.
Chief
Seriously, NTCC pastors are some of the most rude people I've ever met in my life. I remember listening to an NTCC pastor jumping all over a lady at office max because there was something wrong with the church cards he ordered. When he walked away from the counter she told me she would never come to his church for any reason. She thought he was nasty and from what I witnessed he was.
That is the problem with a lot of NTCC pastors. They believe they are entitled to everything. That is what happens to someone who believes that others are supposed to take care of them all the time. They get spoiled rotten. I want my coffee this way, I want my pie that way, I like my bread toasted like this, I like this much ice in my drink.
RWD taught them that mess. Spoiled rotten grown brats. The biggest regret I have where the NTCC is concerned is that I put up with that mess for one second. NTCC leaders expecting to get waited on hand and foot. Bunch of jerks is what they are. Tell them to fix their own bloody coffee. You want another piece of ice, then go get it yourself. Oh, your bread isn't toasted enough? Well get your fat butt up and toast it yourself.
Chief
can anybody confirm the church in england closing or any other closures?
NTCC's new "About Us" page on their web site:
http://www.myntcc.org/about-us.html
So does this mean Latin is not dead after all?
At least this page doesn't say "in construction". Now we're getting somewhere. Not.
Could we interest you in attending a church service this weekend?
What church?
New Testament Christian Church. It's a non denominational full gospel church.
Is your church a cult?
No, we preach Christ and Him Crucified, the bible is our road map and we only preach and teach straight out of the KJV. You believe the bible don't you?
Of course I do. I just don't want to attend a church where grown adults are not allowed to think for themselves. Are you trusted to make decisions on your own or do you have to ask your pastor if you can miss a church service or bible study.
We wouldn't think of missing a church function because the bible says we can not forsake the assembling together of ourselves.
I bet 909 people wish they would have forsaken the assembling of themselves together on Nov. 18, 1978, down in Guyana. Ever hear of the Jonestown Massacre?
We are not here to argue scripture with you, if you don't want to come to church you can die and go to hell like the rest of the sinners out here. There are people out here that need what we have and we aren't going to waste our time talking to a blasphemer like you.
You invited me to church. Is this what your church is all about? It sounds like you are looking for weak minded people that will go along with anything. Are you required to give 10% to your church? Is that in the bible? Where does that money go? Is your church transparent about the finances it receives?
We are not going to get into doctrines at this time. Why don't you come out to our church service and ask the pastor these questions? That way he can humiliate you in front of a whole bunch of people. He will raise his voice and jack you up. Everyone of us will shout amen and make you feel like an idiot.
No thanks, I'd rather attend chapel service on post.
Pastor, is it okay if I break away from fellowship early so I can shine my boots and press my uniform and be in formation at 5am?
What about your contacts? Who is going to give them a ride back to post? If your God is not great enough to quicken your mortal body than you need to get on your knees more. (Meanwhile the Pastor sleeps in till 11:00 am) every morning.
There it is.
Hey, it looks like Robert Briggs is catching on to the nature of NTCC; he's posted this on his blog (which directly contradicts RW's assertion that the church is a business and exposes him for prostituting the gospel):
By David Ryser
A number of years ago, I had the privilege of teaching at a school of ministry....I came across a quote...: Christianity started in Palestine as a fellowship; it moved to Greece and became a philosophy; it moved to Italy and became an institution; it moved to Europe and became a culture; it came to America and became an enterprise....I clarified it by adding, “An enterprise. That’s a business.” After a few moments Martha, the youngest student in the class, raised her hand....She asked such a simple question, “A business? But isn’t it supposed to be a body?” I could not envision where this line of questioning was going, and the only response I could think of was, “Yes.” She continued, “But when a body becomes a business, isn’t that a prostitute?” The room went dead silent. For several seconds no one moved or spoke. We were stunned, afraid to make a sound because the presence of God had flooded into the room, and we knew we were on holy ground. All I could think in those sacred moments was, “Wow, I wish I’d thought of that.” I didn’t dare express that thought aloud. God had taken over the class. Martha’s question changed my life. For six months, I thought about her question at least once every day. “When a body becomes a business, isn’t that a prostitute?” There is only one answer to her question. The answer is “Yes.”
My question is: What will briggs do with this knowledge when the ntcc remains a harlot?
Never heard of a non-profit hooker until I heard of the ntcc.
"Don't trust a ho"
2 Pet 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not
1 Tim 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
Most if not all of these NTCC ministers are not even saved. They preach for money and if you don't give it, they preach at you because you didn't. They've perverted the Gospel. Without question the NTCC's focus is the accumulation of wealth and money and to be sustained by their congregations. This among other things will be their destruction.
Why is it that neither Paul, Peter, James or John placed emphasis on the accumulation of wealth and collecting tithe? Pastor Davis and his Pastors place more emphasis on these two subjects then any other teaching by far. Their hearts are not right with God and they've made merchandise of their people. Peter and Paul have warned them against this but their love of money and their inability to study the Bible with an open mind has clouded their judgment.
Anonymous said:
"Why is it that neither Paul, Peter, James or John placed emphasis on the accumulation of wealth and collecting tithe? Pastor Davis and his Pastors place more emphasis on these two subjects then any other teaching by far."
DnA Said:
Because Paul and Company were too busy teaching people about salvation and healing and loving their nieghbor as their self. I doubt you would see them driving around in Cadillacs and wearing diamond pinky rings either. Paul spoke about a lot of things but he never said, "All Christians pay tithe and give in offerings". The ntcc "pay tithe or burn" doctrine only serves their need to accumulate wealth. Don't understand how people can so easily add to and take away from the Word of God.
DnA
BAhahaha
Jeff, there's gonna be a conference in MO pretty soon, and I was thinking about how that every time we used to attend, the first morning of the conference, rwd, without exception would begin with the statement that he wasn't even going to teach or do anything, he was just going to sit back and let us all just fellowship.
We were going to do our own thing anyway and all those things that we learned, were just a waste. We were never going to listen to him, so why even teach.
Even when I attended the bible school or any of his classes he would always begin like that.
It was almost a type of reverse psychology so that we would be more eager to get on his side, and do whatever he asked us to do.Even if it meant that we would have to part from our loved ones and spend every penny we earned, for the work of God.
How sad!
"What kind of people make up ntcc Before the joined ntcc. The military and usually low ranking military. Lower income civilians."
April hit the nail on the head with her description of church members. Military (low ranking and right out of basic if their lucky) And low income. Also, they discourage and real education to keep you stupid. Anyone with a brain, if handed a church card is going to go online and research a church before they attend. Thankfully this blog comes up when you Google New Testament Christian Church!
Don't know how they are going to survive and I hope they don't.
In Response to,
"Anonymous said...
can anybody confirm the church in england closing or any other closures?
August 22, 2011 4:10 PM "
Yes, it did close.
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