This is a tough one. Not quite as easy as I expected but nevertheless, here we go. There was a man in the NTCC by the name of Roland Moreno. Roland personally observed his NTCC pastor leaving a whore house in Japan. Roland confronted the pastor and a heated confrontation erupted between Roland and his pastor concerning the obvious impropriety and truly unchristian-like conduct committed by the supposed "man of God". According to the account which I was personally told, the pastor said that his conduct didn't classify as adultery because he wore a condom during his sexual act with the whore. This pastors name was Phil Kinson!
Roland was somehow able to provide notification to the NTCC leadership concerning Kinson's misconduct and Mr. Kinson was later removed from Okinawa Japan and replaced by another minister. This is when Roland's big troubles began. The minister that replaced Mr. Kinson was Mr. Ashmore, and Mr. Ashmore promptly proceeded to blacklist and ostracize Roland Moreno. Never again was Roland Moreno treated justly by the NTCC leadership. The NTCC leadership to include R.W. Davis systematically targeted Roland Moreno and his wife from that point forward. Word to the wise; (At which point in time you elect to challenge the authority, credibility or morality of an NTCC pastor, you better be prepared to promptly leave the New Testament Christian Church for good). You'll never win that battle and Roland had to find that out the hard way.
At a later date, M.D. Reed had the fortitude and courage to confront R.W. Davis directly concerning this scandal. Pastor Reed wanted to know why RWD would promote Mr. Kinson (who was known to have committed adultery) to the position of overseer within the New Testament Christian Church. R.W. Davis pointed his finger in Pastor Reed's face and essentially scolded Pastor Reed for involving himself in another man's adulterous affairs. M.D. Reed posted a statement on this blog, where you can read it on the previous thread.
Ultimately Roland Moreno was blacklisted by the NTCC leadership because he uncovered Mr. Kinson's sin. The blacklisting obviously occurred because Kinson is the son-in-law of an NTCC overseer and in case you haven't figured it out yet, the NTCC is a family business. This resulted in Roland succumbing to extreme depression which caused him to take the life of himself and his family. Plainly put, "The NTCC leadership drove Moreno mad".
Attached below is a news article which addresses Mr. Moreno's death.
This is a true story which has been verified by the credible and reliable. I was told this first hand and to the best of my knowledge I'm reporting factual information. Make no mistake; double standard hypocrites who preach fire and brimstone will eventually be found out. This is tragic and truly sad for all parties involved. These crooked preachers need to do the honorable thing and leave the pulpit and stop judging everyone but themselves.
I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints (Mr. Moreno's blood and the blood of his family is on the hands of the NTCC leadership)
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints (Mr. Moreno's blood and the blood of his family is on the hands of the NTCC leadership)
And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
244 comments:
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 244 of 244Vic said "Truth has been fallen in the street over in Goshen for quite some time now. But you might detect a lying countenance (although they're pretty good about keeping a straight face)."
That's for sure Vic. A week before my wife and I departed the organization, Davis looked me right in the eye and lied to me.
mdr
Chief said,
And the reason they don't have good sense and a sound mind is because they've been brainwashed and they don't realize it now but they will if they ever leave the NTCC.
Shadow is just a troll. Carry on ,Jeff
Anonymous said...
Carry on, Jeff.
Chief said...
Absolutely.
Chief
Chief said "Do yourselves a favor people. Leave the NTCC, don't look back and don't worry about the trash that you know they will talk about you after you leave. Then, when the light fully illuminates in your mind, expose those guys for the crooks that they are. You are doing mankind a service when you do it. When a convict escapes prison in your area, the authorities warn the community. It's the right thing to do. When you escape the NTCC the right thing to do is warn others so they don't waste 5, 10, 20, or 30 years of their life going nowhere."
Dit, Dit, Dittos, my brother.
Jeff, I wonder where all the moles are? It's awful quiet out there! I can har the crickets.
Chirp,chirp,chirp...
Maybe they're all over at dub's house plotting their next smear campaign against those who bring to light their hidden works of darkness.
mdr
new testament christian seminary is a front for the new testament christian church real estate business.
let's share our experiences also (for those that have attended) about their bible school in which it is called NTCS. The reason I am posting this is because when you type in new testament christian seminary, none of the blogs show up. Just NTCC junk. The internet works off of keywords and keyword phrases.
thanks.
Yes, the NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIAN SEMINARY appears to be none of the above. Can there possibly be a worse misnomer? The New Testament Christian Seminary is a sham unaccredited institution that preys on sincere young people. It's the main control mechanism of the New Testament Christian Church. That's where the real brainwashing occurs. The organization exists on multiple levels: those who are "only church members," and have limited knowledge of the deeper mysteries of the org, and those who've gone into the ministry, which necessitates a detour through NTCS to be initiated into the more esoteric elements of doctrine. But even those are kept at arm's length; the real action is only known to a third (but preeminent) class: the elites--a few families who have been granted royal status and can apprently do no wrong. They're "too big to fail." Well, the bigger they come, the harder they fall. Who knows where all the bodies are buried, except a priveleged few, who are probably themselves incriminated and therefore highly motivated to keep quiet about what they know. As much as I dislike Big Brother, I really wish some attention would be focused on these absconders. Nothing could ever pay us back for what they took, but it would be gratifying to see some justice get done. Some of these guys might benefit from the prison ministries they've disparaged over the years.
The ntcc is filled with every type of hypocrite imaginable. They will tell you that if you don't pay tithe and give in offerings that you are on your way to hell, while at the same time they are committing sins that are much worse. It's the double standards that mar the ntcc leadership and as long as people are dumb enough to continue to funnel their money toward Graham, the charade will continue. My guess is that many of these crooks are non-repentant, and they probably brag to one another about their conquests.
If they lie, they will cheat. If they cheat, they will steal. What else will they do? The ntcc is full of corruption at the highest levels and all they care about is money, period. These people will use Christ to con you out of your money, and make you live like a monk while they party their butts off living like politicians.
DnA
Let me try this again.
Chief
Jesus said,
“He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone ...”
perhaps preachers who perpetrate falsehoods against church members or those who have left the church will make conscious use of this verse.
then again the ntcc would be low on preaching material.
Jeff
I am writing this to you simply because you are the moderator of the blog, and, at one time, we rejoiced to see each other, both in Georgia and in conferences. I hope your family is well.
Only recently has it come to my attention the accusations leveled against me concerning events in Okinawa, because I do not read this blog. Suffice it to say that I did not commit adultery with anyone in a Japanese whorehouse. I loved Roland and Maria very much, and I have so much respect for them that I will not use their family tragedy to promote a personal agenda. For their protection, I feel it is necessary to say no more on the subject, except to point out, that to say that I didn’t feel it was adultery because I didn’t wear a condom should have been a clue concerning the lack of truth in this story. I have never said that, and none of you have ever heard me say anything close to that.
Also, I did not tell a lady that she is on her way to hell for not coming to NTCC, neither did I tell a woman to ask money from other churches, because “that’s what they are there for.” I do teach that souls should attend the church that God wants them to be in, and that is their personal choice.
I have been saved for 31 years, and I’ve been married for over 27 years. Since marriage and salvation, my wife is the only woman I have slept with. She is my best friend, my companion for life, and she was taken by surprise by this hatred vented towards us. We found that people whom we thought to be our friends are actually bitter enemies. How naive of us!
I prayed very much about this, and I felt that the Lord dealt with my heart to “not let your good be evil spoken of.” Some may accuse me of lying, but I’m quite ready to stand before God and answer for the truth of these words.
You said that you once thought I was a good guy, and that you thought the greatest damage here would be upon Sister Kinson. Thank you for those thoughts. I felt this was the best way, because if you are as sincere as you say, then you should be concerned about people using your site to say things that are not true. If I have done or said anything to hurt anyone, I ask for their forgiveness and prayers.
I am not some paragon of perfection, neither do I hold myself up to be. I have made mistakes and every preacher lives with the solemn fact that he will answer to the Lord for how he fulfills his calling. Neither will I use mistakes as excuses to forsake the ministry. Let us end with the words of Jesus to the woman actually taken in adultery, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone ...”
Take care, and we’ll continue to pray for you.
Phillip Kinson
Phillip
Certainly you are entitled to express your views here as this is an open forum. Yes we did enjoy each others company when you were in Columbus and whenever we saw each other during conference. I appreciate the humble graciousness you've shown while coming on this blog. As far as the accusations made against you, I suppose only you know the entire truth. What is written here was relayed to me first hand during a telephone conversation.
Yes it is true that none of us are anywhere near, "without sin". The biggest problem that I have with many NTCC preachers is that they have a long history of highlighting every little fault that can dream up about their church members and often do so in a malicious and vicious fashion via the pulpit. They have a history of targeting people and doing so openly in front of the entire congregation for infractions that are meaningless like whether or not they have a cat or whether or not their female fiancée has a job. Then these very preachers who've maliciously targeted their church members are quite often found to have excessive hypocrisy in their own lives. I could give example after example after example, all that have been personally witnessed by my very own eyes and ears or those of my close trustworthy friends with verified witnesses.
Pastor Kinson, the stuff many of these NTCC pastors do makes me sick. What sins they personally commit doesn't bother me at all. It's the fact that they've continually preached at others in the process. I listened to RWD blast people during conference because their kids didn't attend the NTCS just to watch Grant attend a secular CATHOLIC college. I listened to service after service where we were admonished to not allow our children to participate in quote "worldly activities" just to learn that Grant played football during high school wearing quote, "LASCIVIOUS" tight football pants. I'm not dreaming this up nor am I taking what I was taught out of context. It's flat out hypocrisy at the highest levels in the NTCC. I no longer have any faith whatsoever in the organization that you are a part of Pastor Kinson. I'm convinced beyond any doubt that the NTCC has done more damage to the lives of people by far than it's ever done good.
If you are praying that I continue to prosper, I appreciate that, but if you are praying that I come back to the lifestyle that I had while in the NTCC it's not necessary. If it ever was, the NTCC is not a godly organization and of that I'm certain. If you feel that I'm deceived or mistaken, I'm convinced beyond any doubt that people who still follow RWD and the NTCC leadership are the ones who are being deceived.
Once again, you are welcome on this blog and I sincerely wish you and your family the best.
Take care,
Jeff
Wow! I feel like I just read a statement from Bill Clinton! It's all about semantics with these people. Bill Clinton didn't think that oral sex was adultery either, but that's exactly what Roland said was talked about the evening after you were caught by him.
So, tell us, Phil, what was that hotel you took Roland to that night? Where was it that you left your wallet? Hmmm!
Somebody is lying here because as I stated in my original post, the issue was not about you, but about your pastor not living up to his own so-called standards. Your own pastor and his right hand man J. H. Olson corroborated Roland’s story when I approached them about this situation. So, please, Phil, tell us why Rev. Olson came to Okinawa alone for a private meeting and you were subsequently removed and returned to Graham? Oh, I suppose that meeting didn’t happen either.
If I’m the one who has fabricated this whole story to advance an agenda, as you insinuate, then I challenge you to ask your kind, loving, gentle, can’t remember the last time I sinned, pastor to come on here and tell everybody that he didn’t confirm the charges against you in front of J. H. Olson. Your pastor also told me that you had repented of your sin and that’s why you were promoted. So, what sin was it, Phil, that you repented of? Oh, better bring Rev. Olson too because somebody is a lying here and it isn’t me.
Phil said, “Also, I did not tell a lady that she is on her way to hell for not coming to NTCC, neither did I tell a woman to ask money from other churches”. Man, everybody is lying about you, Phil. We all know that you’re just an innocent victim. Poor, wittle Phil, why’s everybody always picking on you?
Phil said, “Neither will I use mistakes as excuses to forsake the ministry.” Leaving a cult and forsaking ministry are two completely different issues. But how dumb of me, I forgot your doctrine already, that there is no ministry or salvation outside of ntcc, huh, Phil? You just think you know what people are doing or not doing after they leave your wretched, controlling cult.
Phil said “We found that people whom we thought to be our friends are actually bitter enemies. How naive of us!” Well, lookie here, they get a little of their own treatment and they get offended. Is it not your bunch that calls anyone who leaves your ranks enemies? And you think it strange that some of us fire back at you hypocrites? Poor wittle Phil, how naïve of you!!
Phil said, “Let us end with the words of Jesus to the woman actually taken in adultery, “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone ...” Phil, you sound as though you are having a little Bible study here. Spare me! What sin are you referring to here Phil?
I’m out!
MDR
Maybe I'm missing something here but it seems to me that someone is not telling the whole story. Oral sex is sex. That is why it's called sex. Either Davis, Olson, Kinson or MDR is wrong here but they can't all be right. Kinson denied the charges that were brought forth but MDR says that not only were the charges true but Davis and Olson both verified that fact. Sure does make you wonder.
I've put this back up front briefly so if you want to weigh in you better make it quick cause I don't plan to leave it here long. Sometimes it's best to let old dogs die. This one has got a bit of notable activity lately which is why I put it back up front but once again I won't leave it here long.
Chief
Phil Kinson....I am shocked to see you come on this blog! Of all the people in the org you were one of my favorite people.
Today is my Dads birthday, you were very hospitable to Him and my two younger brothers back in 88?
They even stayed a couple nights at the servicemens Home there in Hockheim Germany.
I truly hope things are well for you and was totally shocked to see you post here. My wife wants me to turn the page so to speak so I rarely post here...
I hope everything is going well Jeff I still read a lot of the blog..despite my wifes wishes to just drop it, keep up the good work!
Bernie Bassett
Phil Kinson,
You seem to present a fairly weak case in defense of your actions. I also have memories of you and hold no personal animosity towards you. In fact when I knew you decades ago, you seemed to have a pretty good disposition. However, looking at this without having first hand knowledge of your actions or how they effected the Marino family, I have to say that I believe MDR's account more than I believe yours.
I was personally involved in ntcc scandal and I have been very honest about my role in it. What I see in your writing is very Clintonesque. "I did not have sex in a Japanese whore house" Kind of sounds like, "I did not have sex with that woman". "My wife is the only woman I slept with". People don't go to Japanese whore houses to sleep with prostitutes or to catch a few z's. I googled Japanese whore houses and found out that many of these places are disguised as Massage parlors where sexual favors are offered for a price. Not all sexual favors involve sliding into home plate but in many cases "clients" are offered a massage with a happy ending which often does not involve intercourse. What makes your story very suspect is that you said you did not commit adultery in a Japanese whore house. Why do you guys even try to address issues like this? You get yourself into deeper quicksand than if you had just left it alone. Now if you had said I never stepped foot in a Japanese whore house or if you had said that you loved your wife and never sought any type of sexual gratification elsewhere, than it would be a matter of you or MDR lying, but your own words seem to give you up on this, Phil.
I wonder if your trips to these brothels were financed by tithe payers money. I can only imagine how that people were prodded in service to give for the cause of the lost and dying souls in the world around them. How they were told that if they didn't pay their tithe that they were robbing God. I know that in the ntcc people believe that they are just supposed to think that we are all God haters and liars and that this kind of accusation should be immediately discounted as a false accusation.
We don't fall under the ntcc's system of control any more. I don't care what you did, Phil. I don't even care if you repented. What makes this so disturbing is that so many people were controlled and manipulated by so called ambassadors of Christ, Pastors and Apostles who imposed ridiculous rules on everyone else while they felt like they could live above their own laws.
I personally think that you would do a lot better by just admitting the truth and then you can use the story about casting stones at the adulteress to soothe your conscience. People would respect you a lot more.
DnA
Phil said "I have never said that, and none of you have ever heard me say anything close to that."
After reading this statement by Phil Kinson, I must admit that sounds really like a Bill Clinton line. Phil, your not helping yourself with this comment.
Why would RWD lie?
If he can't remember the last time he sinned, he must have been telling the truth.
Phil, I hope it's not true. But dude, you have problems. When I visited you a few years after leaving your org, you were nice to my face. Then you sent a letter blasting me for coming by, and stating that I was not welcome in your home. I guess you didn't want to make a scene in front of your parents, but wasn't it kind of two-faced? That happened years before FACTnet, at a time when my opinion of NTCC wasn't nearly as low as it is now. You had an opportunity to make me wonder if I'd made the right decision by leaving, but your attitude and actions only confirmed the rightness of my departure, and helped me see just how messed up your "church" and you really are.
You and I both know that you and Mike did boast about groping your future wives when they were still teenagers, and that it caused great consternation to me and our other roommate, to the point where he told your "apostle." Yet you lie about that, so it leads me to question this denial also.
They got their hooks in you while you were still a kid, and twisted your life up so bad that it's come to this. You don't have to go along with the charade any more.
Repent, Phil. Repent.
Bernie said...
I am shocked to see you come on this blog!
Jeff said...
I understand why Phil would come here Bernie. If someone alleged such impropriety on my part, it's likely I'd defend myself as well. Of course when someone defends them self, that doesn't necessarily mean their innocent, it just means they are trying to clear their name. Only Phil knows the whole truth but MDR has made some potent allegations that he says are corroborated by discussions he had with three other people two of which are RWD and Olson!!!
MDR ain't backing up on this one due to his personnel involvement with RWD and Olson concerning the issue. MDR's feelings seem to have nothing to do directly with the incident but rather with RWD promoting someone who MDR verified to have committed such acts. MDR once again verified it with RWD and Olson.
It is what it is. I just know that I no longer have any confidence in any of the NTCC leadership. They are good at making money but leading people spiritually is a whole different story. They are all unqualified, every last one, because of their hypocrisy and their blind disregard for whats really going on not so secretly behind NTCC doors. I don't blame Phil for coming and posting here, I blame RWD for perpetuating double standards after making so many peoples lives pure misery.
Chief
In the past Mr. Davis has routinely and willingly revealed others sins, when it fits his agenda toward the specific individual or situation. So I don't find it hard to believe he shared what he did when Reed questioned him about the PK incident. This in itself is quite telling. Getting Mr. Davis to admit he told Reed any of this is another matter entirely. That will never happen, and Mr. Olson is too loyal to be objective in this matter also. The fact that Reed has left ntcc, in and of itself makes him wrong in the sight of anyone who is still in. To many, he was wrong before he ever came on this blog, just because he left, period.
Understood but that don't change the truth and anyone with good sense and a good conscience knows that.
This is what I think, I think PK wanted to come out on this blog to try to clear his name, I feel that RWD said he should post on this blog to try to clean up this mess. One thing and one thing only comes to mind when I read Kinson's statement, its called DAMAGE CONTROL. Oh what tangled webs we weave.
Revelation 21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or MAKETH A LIE: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.(KJV)
This verse is so applicable to RWD and all of his so called leaders. Dub is a professional liar. He teaches his leadership to lie the way he does. They lie on tax forms, and tell half truths so as to keep back or cover up pertinent info. when doing business, be it personal or corporate. lying is lying no matter how it is committed.
MDR said it best when he said "it's all about semantics with these people".
When I read Phil Kinson's post I got the feeling that he was making a lie by the way he worded his comments. Ron Denis lied and called it righteous lying... utilizing Rahab the Harlot as an example. I wonder where or whom he learned that from? He learned everything else from RWD!
Phil Kinson said "Only recently has it come to my attention the accusations leveled against me concerning events in Okinawa, because I do not read this blog."
I think Phil Kinson's opening remarks is a lie! Now, that's "naive" of Phil. If he thinks we believe that he only just found out about this blog thread he's really, really naive!
Phil said he prayed before he posted on here. Well, maybe he should have been like Elijah, and prayed again!
Phil said "Phil said, “Also, I did not tell a lady that she is on her way to hell for not coming to NTCC, neither did I tell a woman to ask money from other churches”.
Hey, Phil! Are you sure you want to stick with those lies? I know two ladies that will verify what you indeed said them. You can play with the exact wording of things but you and I both know how things are said to people. I remember sitting in the servicemen's home with you in Tillicum when you were teaching the brethren about offerings and tithe. You were bragging how that a lady came to the church for a hand out and you told here,"this church takes up offerings, we don't give them out"!
Phil, we're not just sitting around making this stuff up. I believe every credible report that I hear because I was in that crooked org. of yours for almost 30 years and I know how things are done. Phil, I really believe that you have a problem with the truth. Repent, Phil. Because you're not going to get away with your semantics when you stand before God. And, neither will that crooked Pastor of yours!
mdr
PK said:
"We found that people whom we thought to be our friends are actually bitter enemies. How naive of us!"
DnA said:
Of all of the things Phil Kinson said, I find this to be the most disturbing. This attitude is common place in the ntcc. This seems to be the driving force in the ntcc and it is also a primary ingredient to keeping people brainwashed and drinking their Kool-aid. Anyone that does not agree with an ntcc pastor is the enemy and is full of hatred. No doubt part of their damage control strategy is to discredit us by pointing to our "hatred." We've heard this thousands of times.
Now, we all know that people got blasted publicly for a lot less that what PK did. We also know that people have been run off for a lot less. If an ordinary church member did what PK did, they wouldn't last 5 minutes in the ntcc. In fact, the ntcc made a practice of calling people out on their sins and naming those sins so that the violator would be openly humiliated. This is a one way street in the ntcc. King David's sins were out in the open for everyone to see and he suffered public humiliation because of it. The sins of the ntcc leadership are hidden and swept under the carpet because if they were made public, they would suffer the same humiliation and fate that so many of their victims had to suffer. But what do we know? We are just filled with hate.
DnA
Phil was one of my best friends. It grieves me to see him twisted into this monstrous caricature of his former self. That's what NTCC does to people. There came a time when I had to get out of that place just to be able to live with the man in the mirror. I believe that we all come to this point of decision, and what we do then is crucial. How many have buried their consciences just to continue to enjoy the pleasures of illicit leadership for a season? Maybe Phil's never come to that point yet; it is certainly possible that he is blinded by the perks he's been granted, and has never really faced the implications of his involvement. I hope that's the case, because otherwise his conscience is in danger of extinction.
It's never too late for grace, as Jesus demonstrated (contrary to NTCC doctrine) by forgiving the thief on the cross. Phil, no matter how deep that hole is, there's a way out. But you can't keep sweeping it all under the carpet. Man up and get out.
Judgment must begin at the house of God.
They claim to be the house of God. Let them reap that.
MDR said:
"If Mr.Davis and Kekel really had unfeigned love of the brethren, they would be doing all that they could from losing good people. Instead, they drive people away from them and at the same time try a make themselves look like victims in front of those that remain."
DnA said:
When the head is sick, the whole body is ill. It reminds me of certain regimes I served under in the Army. If we had a control freak as a 1SG, the whole company would suffer because of it. When it's all about power and greed, the leadership must belittle everyone around them to make themselves look good. Their own deeds have very little merit so to make themselves look good, they have to demand respect by cracking the whip and treating everyone around them like slaves.
Eventually their kingdom is going to crumble and people are going to ask themselves, "Where are the blessings of God that were promised to us by the leaders that we loved?" People are being driven away because the leaders do not believe in restoration and they are too proud to acknowledge their own failures. Every time an ntcc preacher fails it is the ultimate failure of RWD and MCK being made manifest. When good people leave, it is the result of their complete failure to understand, listen to or help them. It's hard to love and forgive when it's not in your heart.
A good friend told me that if you don't have forgiveness in your heart than you can't be forgiven. I agree with this because we all were forgiven when we least deserved it. However, it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to help folks and make them aware of what is happening around them.
MDR said, "I would like to say that I don't hate them. I hate the fact that I allowed myself to be swindled by them for so long."
Well said!
DnA
Vic said:
"There came a time when I had to get out of that place just to be able to live with the man in the mirror."
DnA said:
The longer I stayed with that group, the harder it was for me to live with the man in the mirror. You take on a lot of the critical thinking and judging of others when you stay with them long enough. You become like them and you hate yourself for it. They think of themselves as the last hope in this world but what kind of hope do they really have to offer? Very few of their promises ever materialize and people spend their lives clinging to a "do as I say, not as I do" religion.
DnA
For the leaders:
1 Timothy This is a faithful saying If a man desires the position of a bishop,[a] he desires a good work. A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
For the church members:
http://brevia.com/Spiritual/Idolatry.htm
Don said " Anyone that does not agree with an ntcc pastor is the enemy and is full of hatred."
Don, you are spot on with this comment. It's truly amazing how that bunch thinks. When they talk about someone who has left their ranks, and they do talk about them, they call that exposing the enemy. When we talk about them and expose them for what they really are, they say we are full of bitterness and hatred.
I would like to say that I don't hate them. I hate the fact that I allowed myself to be swindled by them for so long. I hate their works! If they really loved people the way they say they do, then why do they treat people so terrible? If Mr.Davis and Kekel really had unfeigned love of the brethren, they would do everything they could not to loose good people. Instead, they drive people away from their church and at the same time, try a make themselves look like victims in front of those that remain. It's really a sick game they play. But one day the game will be over, and they will be standing before God giving an account for all the things they perpetuated against so many good people.
I truly feel sorry for RWD because he has a lot of blood on his hands. He is definitely not be able to say with the Apostle Paul, "I am innocent of the blood of all men."
Judgment is coming, and all will be there, each one receiving justly his due. "For there is no respect of persons with God"
I'm out
MDR
Hi, I have been reading a lot of these postings lately. Some ring true while some, perhaps, I don't want to believe. Anyhow, after 22 years of being faithful, we left. It seams our questions turned into "rebellion" and we were let go. Just wanted to say thanks for answering some.
Gallagher
SG wrote...
It seams our questions turned into "rebellion" and we were let go.
Chief said...
Imagine that. Wouldn't want to question the great Apostles of the New Testament Christian Church. Because you asked a few questions is called "rebellion", then I wonder what they call what I'm doing? Treason? LOL. Anyway, they can take their "rebellion" and shove it. RWD is about as holy as a piece of swiss cheese. In fact the cheese is holier than RWD. The NTCC is like North Korea. Say something against the communist, I mean the NTCC leader and they are ready to banish you to the frozen tundra. I don't know you SG but good for you. Now real life can start. It may or it may not be real clear right now but you are getting ready to figure out just how duped you were by the NTCC leadership.
NTCC people are in darkness. Believe me, I was one of them. After I left the NTCC the light came on and it wasn't long before it got real bright and the deeds of the NTCC leadership were easy to see. Enjoy your life because true life doesn't start until you leave that circus.
Chief
I think that when kinson makes the statement that he has been saved for 31 years and married for over 27 years he is trying to cover up how many years they have been married.
He then writes that "since marriage and salvation" dk is the only woman he has slept with.
To me it sounds that he found salvation after marriage and then he can say she is the only one he has had sex with, because the things that you did before you were saved no longer exist, they were washed away by the blood of Jesus.
It is a common practice in the ntcc to say that you are not saved if you are caught doing something evil like that, but then alot of people use that as a crutch to sin and say that they did it because they were not saved, but now they want to be saved and that way they safe face with the org.
In ntcc the phrase: why don't you get saved!" is commonly used to state that you are in disagreement with the org.
blovd
blovd
Were you a pastor bro. Gallagher?
I remember hearing your name but can't remember you.
"He then writes that "since marriage and salvation" dk is the only woman he has slept with."
That may be absolutely true. Most folks never go to sleep in a whorehouse. It's all semantics with these creative liars; RW taught us how to do it himself. You can spin all kinds of lies using the technical truth. But they're lying to themselves if they think this form of verbal gymnastics doesn't qualify as "making a lie." No matter how they say it, if the impression they mean to foster doesn't line up with the truth, they're lying liars. Bill Clinton could have taken lessons from RWD.
The reason I doubt Phil's denial is that he also denies having boasted to me that he and Debbie were making out and fondling one another while she was still a young teenager and before they got married. I heard him with my own ears, yet he denies that. He has destroyed his own credibility, and I have no confidence in his truthfulness. It's a sad thing, because Phil has a lot of potential; unfortunately, his character has been warped and twisted by the "leaders" he has chosen to emulate.
I was wondering what happened to the comment that pk wrote.
For some reason when I click on comments it only shows 200 comments instead of 244.
You have to go to the bottom of the page and click "newest" and it'll bring up the rest of the comments on the thread.
Anonymous you are right - when you click on the number of comments on the bottom of a post, it opens a page to leave a comment. It used to be that it would show the first 200 comments and give you the option to click a link to view the newer and newest comments both at the top of the comment page and at the bottom of the page. For some reason these links are no longer visible.
But you can see all 247 comments now by clicking on the title of the post "Oh The Hypocrisy That Drove A Man To Murder And Suicide" That will bring up the post and the first 200 comments PLUS the links to see the newer and newest comments. Sometimes those links at the top of the comments but just under the body of the post, don't work. Usually only the links at the bottom of the page work. It's stupid; but that's what I've experienced. If you use Microsoft OS you can skip to the bottom of the page by holding down the function button ["fn"] and pressing the page down key ["Pg Dn"] at the same time. That saves some time getting to the bottom of the page.
Also, at the bottom of the comments there will be a link to "Post A Comment" which will bring up the comment box page with the first 200 comments. Clear as mud now, right? SMH
Hope this helps you and others to see and leave comments.
I checked it also. Even when I'm logged in it only show 200 comments unless you click on the title. Who knows?
They continue to follow, bcuz Satan is a deceiver and a liar, there are so many things wrong with that organization , I was there, we as Christians need to ask god for discernment study his word, i really think for some folks they just want to be told what to do, the lord sez study to show thyself approved~
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