What are the most ridiculous rules/traditions that the New Testament Christian Church leadership ever dreamed up? If any come to mind, please post them if you get a chance. I know this has been done before but repetition is often a good thing. In the previous thread, Don effectively referenced an applicable scripture which most effectively describes the attitudes of the NTCC Pharisees.
Mat 15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
Does that describe the NTCC leadership or what? Kekel, RWD and Olson act just like the Pharisees with all their man-made rules and traditions. One of the most ridiculous rules I can remember, is being told that we couldn't use our computers to do our soul-winning reports but rather we had to write them by hand twice over; one for our records and one for the pastor. We could have done it on our computer and printed out two copies ten times as fast. That was just one example of Mayers trying to run his church like the NTCS a.k.a. the school of ridiculous rules. Of course Mayers only got that from Kekel and RWD. Kekel taught it in conference and RWD endorsed it and I was there. If Kekel says he didn't teach that he is a liar because I listened to him. He said you should do your reports in a predetermined location such as a fast food place prior to ever going home. I suppose we were all supposed to walk into KFC with desktops? I wanted to do the report back at my house on my "desktop" and Mayers said no, thanks to Kekel's bright idea. They can take all those rules and shove em. Jesus didn't like those rules and neither do I.
Chief
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Hey Chief, I went back to look at a lot of the old post from several years ago to include factnet, and I noticed that everyone that defended NTCC eventually acknowledges the truth and leave. It seems like that is part of the process most have to go through. What is being said, even though they say they disagree, makes them begin to think and see what is really happening.
Hey MDR. God is blessing, but still dealing with Post Traumatic NTCC Disorder. (PTNTCCD)
BTW, I guess I wasn't sincere, because Rev. Kekel never answered the questions I asked him like he said he would.
Hey we just spent about $3000 on a bedroom set and paid cash. So since leaving NTCC we went to Niagra Falls, took a cruise to the Bahamas, got out of credit card debt, and buying expensive furniture and still have money saved and no credit card debt. I am now saving in my "youth" for my old age. And I GIVE tithe to the church willingly not forced. I am also planning a fishing trip with my dad who turned 62 Sunday.
On a side note, if anyone receives an email from me from ebb702@yahoo.com please ignore it and don't open it. That email address has been hacked by someone and they are sending out false emails saying that it is from me.
Bro. Bellamy
Hey we just spent about $3000 on a bedroom set and paid cash. So since leaving NTCC we went to Niagra Falls, took a cruise to the Bahamas, got out of credit card debt, and buying expensive furniture and still have money saved and no credit card debt. I am now saving in my "youth" for my old age. And I GIVE tithe to the church willingly not forced. I am also planning a fishing trip with my dad who turned 62 Sunday.
Man, I feel like an NTCC Board Member:)
I noticed Rev. Kekel mentioned on his blog about preachers failing in the work of the Lord. He throws the Failure word around like he actual has went out and been a success. Has anyone ever asked him what he has done? You know you have to be something before you can do something. Or is it you have to know someone before you can do something?
Bro. Bellamy
Definitely it was "you have to know someone to do something". He wouldn't come under so much heat if he wouldn't say the things he says about preacher's failing when he doesn't know what it is like to dig out a work from scratch. With the comments made about preacher's leaving the call of God and putting their wife on a job is a bunch of hogwash if you ask me. But when you don't have to go through any financial hardship of a pioneer work, it is easy to say.
What also rubs me the wrong way is when he says things how we were not wise with our money and didn't invest our money like we were taught. It is hard to invest in land, houses, etc. when the church rent and bills have to be paid leaving you with no extra money for investments. AH! What a Crock!!!
"It is hard to invest in land, houses, etc. when the church rent and bills have to be paid leaving you with no extra money for investments."
That's the cruelest rub--they'd dangle all these "blessings" that "God gave" them before us, and then tell us we'd be "blessed" too, if we'd just be "faithful" and "work the program."
I think the way to prosperity is to start a bible school with no oversight from anyone else, and then populate it with sincere suckers who love God enough to deny themselves while giving to "the program," all the while emphasizing "taking care of the man of God." It's a sure recipe for financial success, but will only work if you can overcome your conscience.
You know chief, I was thinking about the soul winning method that they taught us in order to build a church.
If this method was at all sucessful then why are the ntcc churches small?
I could count with my fingers the churches that had at least 100 people the rest were not even bringing that many!
I remember the preachings about how that we needed to have a soul winner's heart, that if you were really saved you would be a soul-winner and all that stuff.
and then you were encouraged to go out and spend the most part of your saturdays going door to door.
But before that, when dennis was around, he would go just "casual soul-winning" not going door to door as we always did, and voila! suddenly we were preached that this was a good method because it worked for them and their churches were growing.
I remember a conference when rwd brought forth gandy and asked him what had he learned by being and observing dennis there in ft louis washngton, gandy replied with tears in his eyes that by watching dennis and his wife he knew that they truly loved God! They really cared about souls, they had a pastors heart!
Well we all know the rest of the story.
But I remember that the pastors were running around changing methods and doing this and that because they wanted to be sucessful when in reality they just wanted to please the man because to the org. it is about having people in church. If you don't then you are not sucessful, they stress that, the countless times I heard the saying: You don't have people because you don't work it right! and on and on.........
You know chief, I was thinking about the soul winning method that they taught us in order to build a church.
If this method was at all sucessful then why are the ntcc churches small?
I could count with my fingers the churches that had at least 100 people the rest were not even bringing that many!
I remember the preachings about how that we needed to have a soul winner's heart, that if you were really saved you would be a soul-winner and all that stuff.
and then you were encouraged to go out and spend the most part of your saturdays going door to door.
But before that, when dennis was around, he would go just "casual soul-winning" not going door to door as we always did, and voila! suddenly we were preached that this was a good method because it worked for them and their churches were growing.
I remember a conference when rwd brought forth gandy and asked him what had he learned by being and observing dennis there in ft louis washngton, gandy replied with tears in his eyes that by watching dennis and his wife he knew that they truly loved God! They really cared about souls, they had a pastors heart!
Well we all know the rest of the story.
But I remember that the pastors were running around changing methods and doing this and that because they wanted to be sucessful when in reality they just wanted to please the man because to the org. it is about having people in church. If you don't then you are not sucessful, they stress that, the countless times I heard the saying: You don't have people because you don't work it right! and on and on.........
"all the while emphasizing "taking care of the man of God."
And too a certain degree it's o.k, but not to be abused.
KJV Matthew 20:27 "And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:"
I know a preacher who told me "God doesn't want me on a job". (The church was not self supportive) But during church he'd say "Pray brethren, rent needs to be paid". Dude, get a job! So above the tithe we paid, we chipped in to pay for rent. It better have been the church rent and not HIS rent. If that is the case, I will come unglued!
I have an idea for a new thread Chief, I would like to know the inside information on the racial issues brewing in the NTCC, I have been told that Davis and others have used the "N" word. Is this true? I have also heard that he forbid at one time people marrying outside their race. This to me is really unchristian like behavior. To tell someone to marry their own race only. Do they still teach that kind of stuff in Bible college? After all we are talking about people from Missouri. That is the south in a way. Since there is a large minority population in the NTCC in Graham this bares repeating. I would say more that 50% of the ministers and congregation are minorities. Can this be a new thread sometime...
All I have to say is: Kris, you are a know it all jack-ass
TB
Anonymous said...
If that is the case, I will come unglued!
Chief said...
well you might just as well come unglued now. Both rents are tied together. The way the NTCC leadership has it set up (as has been explained to me by more than one NTCC pastor) is that a portion of the tithe in a civilian work is allocated to be used by the pastor to pay his bills, personal rent, gas, auto insurance, etc, or whatever else he wants to spend it money on. The offerings are supposed to go to church bills.
Well some pastors don't feel they should have to dip into "their" money to pay church bills if there is not enough in the "offerings" to cover it, so what they do is take up additional offerings so they don't have to dip into what the NTCC leadership has set up to Often there is already plenty of money from that months tithes to cover the church rent if need be but that would mean that they can't keep the entire percentage which the NTCC leadership has set up to go to them. So once again, they take up additional offerings while pocketing or spending their allocated percentage of the tithe money on top of that.
Mayers used to do it and my wife and I figured it out. He started poor mouthing the church saying there wasn't enough money for church rent and he'd have to spend "his" money if there was enough for the church rent to be paid. What he was saying is that if he was going to be able to keep for himself a large percentage of all the tithe and fund the escrow, there wouldn't be enough money left over for the church rent. It's a scam and the NTCC has been doing it for years. So come unglued Bro because that is how it works. He wants you to dig deeper into your pocket but he doesn't want to dig into his, which was all your money and the rest of the church members money in the first place. Buddy it's a racket. Call me if you are interested and I'll explain. 706-905-8554
Chief
Anonymous asked...
Davis and others have used the "N" word. Is this true? I have also heard that he forbid at one time people marrying outside their race.
Chief said...
Yes I was told that Davis and others used to use the "N" word regularly. I was never around him enough to here it. I did personally listen to pastor Snyder tell some really tastless racial jokes directed toward blacks. I strongly felt Snyder went way overboard with his black jokes and he made specifically reference to black people's lips. Snyder is an idiot! I know for a fact from my personal experience that for decades the NTCC leadership would forbid that Blacks married Whites. I was told that directly by three different NTCC pastors who when they told me seperately, on seperate occasions, were all at that time currently serving as my NTCC pastor. The reason they told me this is because at the time, I was interested in a black lady and now for the last 11 years, I've been married to a black lady and I heard all about it.
They didn't have a problem with whites marrying people of Oriental decent or Hispanic decent. I'm sure Tanya played a big role in that one. Davis couldn't descriminate against his own daughter by telling her she couldn't marry someone who was not oriental. Now if a white wanted to marry a black on the other hand it was a WHOLE different story. They absolutely would appose that. Two pastors told me that I might as well forget about having any interest in black women if I ever wanted to do anything for God (and here is the important part) IN THE NTCC!!!
Once I did marry a black woman I was told by another NTCC pastor that it was likely that I'd never be allowed to pastor.
The NTCC leadership justifies this stance by claiming that because of the racial seperation in America between blacks and whites, a marriage between the two would hinder the ministry. Well that is a bunch of bologna because the NTCC has never had a problem with doing a thousand other things which have been proven to hinder the "ministry". The most glaring example is constantly telling people where they can find the door if they don't like it in the NTCC. So I'm really supposed believe that the NTCC leadership is all that concerned about a black and white couple scaring away a racist? Hogwash. RWD is the racist but he always keeps around a token, (because a black person's money spends the same as a white) and currently that token is Jones and RWD throws Terry a "song leader" bone every now and then at conference and that has served well to keep him around.
There you have it. I may start a thread with this but I already had another one planned first. I will certainly keep this one in mind. Thanks for the suggestion. It make the moderation of this blog much easier.
Chief
Yes, RW told "nigger" jokes over the pulpit quite often, and used the word regularly in conversation back in the day. Interracial marriages were forbidden for ministers and highly discouraged for anyone else. RW doesn't mind black folks coming out (their money is green), just so long as they forsake their cultural ways and adopt the white plantation culture. But corn rows aren't part of the program.
Bro. Bellamy,
Not sure if you got the e-mail I sent you. It may have went to your junk mail.
-Anonymous
I personally asked my pastor about a black brother, and he specifically told me that it would hinder the work of God being a mixed couple...and that we wouldn't be usable. I can attest to the fact that this is taught.
I checked the spam and I have not received any emails in any of my email addresses from anyone that I would think would be from NTCC or this blog. Email me at this address edward.bellamy@gxs.com and I guarantee it will get through.
Thanks, Bro. Bellamy
Bro. Bellamy
Just sent it.
-Anonymous
Anonymous said...
Bro. Bellamy Just sent it.
Chief said...
I love it when a plan comes together. Good people staying in touch is a good thing. The NTCC leadership might consider learning that lesson one day; (highly improbable). Instead, the NTCC leadership, who thinks they are Gods gift to humanity, consistently sees fit to announce each time they decide to dis-fellowship someone. Please NTCC leadership, I feel left out. You've never announced (at least that I've heard) that you've dis-fellowshipped me? I guess I'm not important enough. If they'd only dis-fellowship me, I could be whole again. I don't feel like continuing to wonder if they'd still consider having me as a part of their crooked, hypocritical, double-standard, greedy, money-hungry, nasty organization. I might have flash-backs and lose my mind completely and find myself back in the NTCC? That would probably be the worst fate I could think of.
NTCC leadership: Once again, I feel left out. Please dis-fellowship me publicly like doing something such as posting it all over the internet. If I had my choice of how to be dis-fellowshipped, I'd actually prefer it to be done in writing on Kekel's blog? That way I could sing, "IT WAS A GREAT DAY"!!!
LOL
Chief
Chief said "Yes I was told that Davis and others used to use the "N" word regularly. I was never around him enough to here it."
Well, I was around him enough to hear it. I promise you that he used the "N" word many times over. There was a time that many of the ministers used the "N" word, including myself. It was because
of RWD that we used it.
I heard his teaching about mixed couples in the work of God, and I never agreed with it. I think that was taught because deep down inside of that cotton mill preacher there is a prejudice heart.
DnA wrote: What happened to grace?
That's a four-letter word with NTCC. If anybody who leaves invokes the word grace and freedom, they equate that with sin. That's how warped they are.
In 1994 I asked my Pastor about a Hispanic sister, and he told me that if I married her it would hurt my ministry. I thought that was a little strange because he was white and married to a Hispanic sister. I don't regret it though, because I have been married to my wonderful wife for 15years.
How many of you heard in NTCC that Martin Luther King,Jr. was a Communist card holder? I did some research and found that anyone who supported equal rights for black people during that time was labelled with being Communist.
In 2000, I worked on the building crew for about 3 months (doing the finishing touches on Pastor Davis Mansion)and every time MLK or General Colin Powell were mentioned Pastor Davis only had negative things to say. The "devil" put in my mind at that time, why is it when anyone says anything good about a black person that Pastor Davis only has negative things to say? I also had a Pastor when I was in the Army that used the "N" word very frequently and most of us in the congregation were black. We were told that if it bothered us that we were filled with pride. If we were saved then it would not bother us.
It is amazing how we desired so much to be "right with God' that we were willing to put up with anything anyone did or said to us.
BTW, I received the Brothers email.
Hey Chief, another thread could be, who have been literally punched or physically abused by Pastor Davis and/or their NTCC Pastor? You already know my story.
Bro. Bellamy
The "N" word is used very often within NTCC and you'd hear it over the pulpit from RWD-bag and some other ministers would use it. No doubt to sound smoother and more appealing they are trying to not use it as much and if you said it in front of the wrong people you'd admonished.
In the Servicemen's Homes its used similiar to how its used in hip-hop like saying, "Now look at dis nigga..." but the real problem was that it would be used and be a guage of your spirituality by the pastor or the brothers in the home. If you couldn't handle hearing that word, then you were offended and "They that love the Lord, nothing shall offend them." So you had Denis & Company use the DVD and race card during "The Split" and to counter this you had the word being spread during Overseer's journeys that he wasn't racist, that RWD or Rev Kekel never called anyone anyone the "N" word. RWD was also popularizing the story that "how could he be racist when he was nursed by a black woman with big breasts?". If those that don't think NTCC has any issues with racism, they need to wakeup and smell the cocoa butter...
Edward said..."How many of you heard in NTCC that Martin Luther King,Jr. was a Communist card holder? I did some research and found that anyone who supported equal rights for black people during that time was labelled with being Communist."
I had been told everything from him being a Communist to being a womanizer and a smoker. I personally think he'd be rolling over in his grave if he knew anything happening now regarding what Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are doing for "civil rights". That aside, you take one of MLK's sermons or his speeches and they are 100X more effective for inspiring a nation of people regarding God, civil rights and freedom. What has NTCC done to help anyone that was oppressed and hurting? What have they ever done for national disasters? I guess unless they can make some money on it, they won't do it.
MDR said:
"Well, I was around him enough to hear it. I promise you that he used the "N" word many times over. There was a time that many of the ministers used the "N" word, including myself. It was because
of RWD that we used it."
Don said:
I am ashamed to admit it but I also used the N-word. I had heard it used so much by my pastors and other brothers, that I thought it was okay. The justification was "With perfect love nothing shall offend you". We got caught up in so many things that were wrong in the ntcc.
I had a friend in Korea that used to tell n-word jokes in the home. This guy was my best friend at the time when I was there. I heard that when he left the ntcc he became a Nazi, or some Arian Nation leader. The guys name was Woodard and he has been on factnet.
My step father was black and he helped my mom raise me, and even though I didn't care much for him or approve of his parenting skills, I was never prejudice, until I learned it in the ntcc. Being prejudice is a totally ignorant way to live your life, but in the ntcc we were prejudice against anyone who wasn't like us. We tried so hard to emulate the leaders that we thought were God's chosen.
It's amazing that you can live twenty some years of your life thinking that people are equal regardless of the color of their skin and then become part of a "Christian church" and learn to hate people based on how they look, what they have, what they don't have, what their religion is, what they wear, who they keep company with or the color of their skin.
I am ashamed to have been a part of the ntcc. They are a bunch of bigots that have nothing better to do than spread hate around to the world. They are more like the ones that Jesus warned us to stay away from. They definitely shouldn't be calling themselves Christians.
Don
The sad part is, right now as we speak some black guy or gal is in the NTCC and ready to stand up and testify about how wonderfully they've been treated by the white NTCC leadership such as Davis and Kekel. Then Davis could stand right there and call them the "N" word in front of everyone and in an attempt to act like some super-spiritual Christian, that black person would brush it off completely.
Well let me tell you something. It's wrong to deliberately insult someone with racial slurs because all you are trying to do is make them ignorant and totally insensitive to a racist. Call my wife the "N" word in my presents and see what happens!!! I dare anyone of you NTCC leaders to try that crap on either my wife, daughter or son and watch what happens if I'm there. And I hope there happens to be some black folks in the area when you do it. It's likely at that point you will have had better days.
You've been hiding behind your religion and your pulpit with that crap for too long. And you black folks in the NTCC shouldn't put up with that junk either. You don't deliberately insult your brother or sister just to try to get them to prove to "YOU" that they are spiritual. If Kekel, Davis or any other NTCC leader says some derogatory stuff about a black woman's hair, you black women shouldn't put up with that garbage. They need to quit trying to make you white. Obviously your hair isn't the same a white woman's hair and there is NOTHING wrong with a style like an afro. That is just RWD and Kekel the two bigots trying to make you something you are not. My wife currently has somewhat of a fro and it looks good and sexy.
The days of my wife being in the NTCC are over where she was told to constantly put a heat comb through her hair to straighten it. That is a bunch of complete nonsense and it has nothing to do with Christianity or spirituality. Davis, Kekel and all my NTCC pastors who mandated that stuff can take a long walk off a short pier into shark infested waters.
Chief
"My wife currently has somewhat of a fro and it looks good and sexy."
Go ahead Chief with you and your Foxy Brown!
yeah, i don't get it...they were looked down on to have fro's or "NATURAL" curls...but the top dawg's wive can tease their hair into a fro and curl it till the curlers tore it up...
how is teasing better than having natural, healthy hair? What's wrong with braids? Looks better than a POOF!!!! I remember a teacher saying that if the minister's wives didn't curl their hair, that spoke to him of laziness...and his wife and daughters don't even curl their hair!!!!! Hypocrite! Just reading what was on the paper and not realizing his family was not holding to those standards he was teaching! Guess they are lazy!
Lots of those women in the core group wear wigs and hair extensions. What's up with tonya kekel's hair? She supposedly grew up in a holiness church and supposedly never cut her hair, so why is it always the same dumb length? Its really not that long either. Seems odd.
Just another double standard with racist connotations connected.
Exactly!
I dealt with many of the same rules you guys are listing.
The only thing that raises my eyebrows about these testimonials is the one where the Pastor & Wife asked a young mom to not breastfeed, and the other when Vic was looked down upon for a midwife delivery.
When I had my youngest, I was very much embedded in NTCC.
The Pastor's wife (and two other sisters, one who is still unfortunately in the "church") attended my daughter's natural, unmedicated, midwife attended birth. She was the one who got me out of the itchy nightgown and into the tub, she was the one who filmed my daughter's birth, she was the one to catch her first feedings on the video camera. She always told me how proud she was of me for the natural way I cared for my children, and in fact was the one to force the other sisters to comply with my usage of cloth diapers, even in Nursery.
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Some of the rules that affected me:
My boy children were not allowed to play with the toys they desired (too girly).
My younger boychild was not allowed to have the Speech, Physical, and Vocational therapies he desperately needed.
My daughter was not allowed to wear pants of any sort, despite being born in Late Fall/Early Winter on Fort Drum in 2007, a particularly nasty Winter.
After my then-husband left the military, because of the amount of Tithes and Offerings, we qualified and NEEDED welfare and WIC. We were then made to Tithe 10% of our foodstamps, and of the total amount of our WIC checks. I was told to tell WIC (by the Pastor, but his wife actually for once spoke against him on this) I was not breastfeeding so that I would get formula checks and thus have "more" to tithe. I was forced to provide milk for OTHER families from the WIC checks.
The Pastor (and his wife's) way to Conference in 2008 was paid for by my credit card. By the time he was ready to pay it back, my husband and I had split up. The card was in my name only, he gave the money to my husband. I never saw a penny of it.
The rule that made me leave the church and my husband all in one fell swoop: My husband was (is) suffering from PTSD and a TBI after a very bad deployment. He started physically abusing us. I was told it was because I was sinning (I was not), and to not sin and he wouldn't hurt us. THEN I was told if I went outside of the church with this for help, since the Pastor's "meetings" with my husband were not working, that would be going outside of God and BADBADBAD.
I went outside of the church. Of course, I was then shunned. 3 different families, as soon as they left the area, contacted me again. Only one family is still involved, sadly in the one near Benning, which I hear is especially bad. :(
LizzieyTish, all we can say to you is WOW! You must be a very strong lady to have survived all this!! We hope your ex-husband can get some help for his brain injury and PTSD. We just can't believe everything you went through; (though we do believe you.) We think this might be a whole separate blog post right here. Chief, what say you? WOW!
LizzieyTish, we could say so much more about this; but for now we are waiting to see if Chief wants to make this a blog thread of its own. We will say that you did what you needed to protect yourself and your children!
Don and Ange, thank you.
There is a lot I can say about things that happened in the Felts Mills ("Fort Drum") NTCC, many of which were insane. Here is a quick one for you: My pregnancy with my daughter, I was on such strict bedrest that my boys were living with my aunt in NYC, and I'd underwent multiple surgeries to sustain the pregnancy. Despite this, I spent most of the summer sitting in a chair in the Nursery, watching everyone's children while they went soulsnatching. Me, and an older woman who was on oxygen, in charge of around 10 rambunctious kids at a time.
And then we'd get yelled at for everything not being "perfect" when people returned.
Triple Wow!!! Just when you thought you'd heard it all. Unbelievable!!! That pastor should have been jailed. Leaving kids with a woman who was having a seriously hard pregnancy and a woman who was on oxygen? That sorry preacher should have been put in jail for child neglect.
Is everyone reading this? Is this really the organization you want to be a part of? Can you really consider this a Godly spiritual organization? This one is getting posted on the front page when the current one has run it's course. If you are a parent you have no business leaving your children in a situation like that. I can appreciate the Sister trying to do her best under the circumstances, but she was just following a crooked, sorry, no-good pastor who could care less about other people's children. All he cared about was the inflated report that had to send to Graham at whatever cost. Mayers was the same way in Atlanta. I had to finally tell that guy that my wife was no longer soul winning when she was pregnant. She even stopped going to church because she was bleeding pretty bad too early on and he was always bugging either me or her about when she was going to be back.
Situations like that have caused me the biggest regrets. The only consolation I have is that because of all that garbage I had to put up with, I got seriously motivated to moderate this blog which has assisted MANY people with leaving the NTCC. One guy and his family had to get seriously abused to result in a blog which motivated countless people to leave the NTCC.
This may sound ridiculous, but because of that, I'd say it was all worth it. The NTCC had to really do me wrong to result in me moderating this blog as long as I have. So guess what that means you crooked NTCC leadership? You might want to be more careful when you allow such blatant abuse to continue unchecked. You thought you could get away with treating me and my family anyway you wanted with no backlash hey? So much for that plan because this blog and all the folks who post on it have cost you countless church members and ministers. Was it worth it? Treat people right and whether or not your doctrine is screwy, (which it is) you won't cause a dude like me to go on a quest.
Chief
Keep on the firing line, Chief! I particularly enjoy the opportunity to give the NTCC leadership a dose of their own medicine. They should realize that they've run off far more people than they've retained. The many heinous accounts shared on this blog represent only a tiny fraction of the total. If everyone unloaded their negative expreriences with NTCC here, there wouldn't be time to read this blog even if one tried to keep up 24 hours a day.
It's good to see another source come forward to help expose this cabal of thieves and abusers. More of the NTCC modus opearandi, out in the sunshine for the masses to see. Wonderful!
Inexcusable. I remember the time that in the conferences the speaker would go on and on about saying that he wouldn't send helpers to the churches because: if you don't have 100 people you don't need helpers!
Many people were willing to go out and help but they were told:
they are not doing anything for God! Leave them alone!
We need to come to a point in our lives and say: Hey, the buck stops here!
Inexcusable. I remember the time that in the conferences the speaker would go on and on about saying that he wouldn't send helpers to the churches because: if you don't have 100 people you don't need helpers!
Many people were willing to go out and help but they were told:
they are not doing anything for God! Leave them alone!
We need to come to a point in our lives and say: Hey, the buck stops here!
for some reason the comments are duplicating. Sorry.
Chief, let me know what I can do at ANY time. I only recently became aware of this blog, but I personally have done everything in my power to steer people away from NTCC. I was a volunteer at the Ft. Drum USO for two years following my time in NTCC, and anytime new families would come in and happened to ask about local churches, I would give them a stack of stuff I'd printed out from NTCCXposed.com years back, and direct them to other churches.
I got them banned from Ft Drum for soulstealing, especially door to door, which may be why the Pastor and Rev's families were moved away around the same time - they were too recognizable and their pictures were in the MP station because I'd turned over pictures of fellowship meetings and such.
I now work at the call center in town, and anytime new workers come in - military spouses - I make sure they are aware and don't get sucked in.
So, while I haven't been doing this online like you guys - whom I greatly appreciate, btw! - I have been working on getting them the hell out of the Northern NY church. :)
I'm interested in how you got them banned from Ft. Drum? I'd love nothing more than to do the same at Ft. Benning. I work on Ft. Benning and I'm interested in the approach you took to get them banned from Ft. Drum.
You are certainly welcome here anytime and for that matter, so is anyone else as long as they don't start preaching at me and or giving me warnings like they are some kind of prophet of judgment. I don't have any patience for that stuff. The NTCC has really caused me to have my guard up when it comes to that kind of stuff. Them clowns need to preach at each other not me. I can be contacted at 706-905-8554.
Chief
I had remembered that any time we'd gone to the PX and Shopettes and Commissary, we had to avoid the security guards and store employees, because they'd been cited for solicitation before. So, I went to each of the places and gave them who to look for. They were constantly turned away at the door, and eventually banned from the shops.
I encouraged the people who had come out and and smartly avoided the Rev. after that to complain about the door-to-door in the barracks, which they all did, and it got NTCC banned from the Barracks (aside from, of course, the 2 members who lived in the barracks, who soon moved into the Serviceman's home in "protest").
I encouraged my friends who all still lived in housing to call the MPs any time they saw people out soulsnatching. And as they'd seen me with those same people, they knew who to look for.
I printed out material regarding the cult aka "Church" and brought it to the MPs (where my now-fiance was working at the time), letting them know from the inside what was going on, what these people were doing.
I happened to be lucky and have high enough friends in good places (The CG's wife was a friend of mine from LLL, for instance) that with enough information and determination, things got done. I would say a bit of it was luck as well, since they were already on thin ice in any of the stores before I helped it along.
One of my favorite people in the world, her family is down in Benning now, and they're part of the church. Knowing that her 3 children are still part of that tears me up. Her and I share a birthday and so much of the same identity growing up. I dream of meeting the woman she SHOULD be, and not the one she is suppressed into being. :(
Thanks for the info. I'll keep all that in mind. Once again, I'd love to get them banned from Ft. Benning. I love soldiers and the military and the NTCC has no business bothering with them. I've known too many people who've regretted ever coming in contact with the NTCC because they gave up a great career in the military that they can't ever get back. Being a soldier is the greatest honor I've known. Being part of the NTCC has been the greatest disgrace.
I talked to an exNTCC minister just the other night. This man gave up an exceptional career in the military for the NTCC. Not for God mind you because the NTCC IS NOT GOD nor is it a Godly organization. I've known SO MANY people who've regretted getting out of the military as a result of their involvement with the NTCC and now they've left the NTCC and they can't get their career back.
People, please listen to me. Do NOT get out of the military to go to the NTCS. If you have a good Army, Airforce, Navy or Marine career going, do NOT leave it for the NTCC. You will almost certainly regret it till the day you die and that is extremely difficult to live with. You will feel like you gave up a precious diamond for a piece of coal when all is said and done.
You'll realize that you'd been taken advantage of i.e. you've been took, you'll feel like you made probably the biggest mistake in your life, you'll feel like you'd been used, you'll feel betrayed and as a result, you may never ever get to retire.
I feel so bad for these former military people like Don and Ange, C. Hayes, G. Shunk, MDR and the gentleman I talked to the other night because they all could have been retired by now or still serving in the most rewarding, distinguished position that I can think of. People, the military is more than just a job.
A week before my father died he told my mother that that best times of his life were they years he spent in the military. He loved it and so do I. I love wearing the uniform and I appreciate the many civilians who thank me for serving. I can't stand the NTCC because it steels that from so many young Soldiers, Marines, Sailors and Airmen and then what do they get in return? "If you don't like it here, there is the door, don't let it hit you in the butt on the way out". "He wasn't right with GAWD the NTCC says". Kekel the complete jerk used C. Hayes as an example during seminary classes of what not to be like. Kekel, you've got a serious problem man. You are the biggest dispicable jerk I've ever met in my life. Kekel, you are a piece of trash. C. Hayes is a good dude and you had no business telling lies about the man and using him as the "what not to be like example". You ain't got a lick of common decency. They talk about you like a dog when you leave the NTCC and that is exactly what I'm doing to them now except I have a honorable purpose. I'm trying to save people's lives and the NTCC is trying to steal them.
Why do you people follow Mike Kekel? Can't you see his is a piece of crap? He dogged our his own father in law and I posted what he wrote right here on this blog. Kekel wrote that he was in the UNFORTUNATE postion of having to enforce the NTCC rules. You shouldn't give that man one ounce of respect.
Chief
LizzieTish said
"I got them banned from Ft Drum for soulstealing, especially door to door, which may be why the Pastor and Rev's families were moved away around the same time"
who were the minister's there and where did they go?
What you are saying, I find it to be true in my own life. I suppose it will take time to accept that.
AMEN to that!
I so understand that. But I always felt like the new girl cause I was never really in the " in" crowd. But I knew what was going on. A masquerade.
Mr. Reed... I can hear your voice while reading that ha its Austin from Killeen.
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