I used to attend RW's sham "Advanced School of Theology." Money was almost all he talked about. One time he was showing us how we should stick our money in Savings Bonds. He was doing the math on how much we would end up with investing $25/week. He made a decimal placement error in the calculations and had everyone thinking they'd be an order of magnitude richer than reality would dictate. It was like "stick $25/week in low-yielding government savings bonds and you'll be a millionaire in 20 years." Not by a longshot, Rodger.
The textbook for AST was "The Law of Success" by Napoleon Hill. Lots of good advice for secular prosperity, but Napopleon Hill was an occultist who believed in the Ascended Masters, evolved humans who have lived thousands of years and communicate via mental telepathy and can psychicly project themselves out of their bodies. Yeah, that was some really advanced theology, all right, especially for a "holiness" institution.
He did tell us the real secret though. It's OPM--"Other Peoples' Money." There he was telling us to our faces that the secret to his own wealth was the money he'd extracted by various means from other people (including us). From tithes, to dorm rent, to tuition, to "love offerings," to the tablespoon of salsa that they sold in the "fellowship" hall for 75 cents--all of it was designed to cause OPM to flow up the pyramid. Some people are willing to be users and abusers, and they prosper in NTCC. The rest go broke.
Chief wrote...
I sat through a few of Davis' investment teaching messages. One was in Germany and I remember it quite well. Of course it was all a scam because in the NTCC, you never really had enough money to make any decent investments. You spent too much time giving it away to the NTCC and not enough time keeping it to invest. I also listened to Davis tell everyone how he "prayed" to God that one day he'd become a millionaire and of course it happened. Clearly Davis was preoccupied with figuring out ways to accumulate wealth which placed him in the category of having the "love of money" which the Bible tell us is the root of all evil. OPM hey? Well he sure got plenty of that because it all roles up hill in the NTCC.
I wonder why I can't find one example in the New Testament Bible of this type of money exchange taking place in the early church. Do we find evidence that Paul, James, Peter or John lived in a mansion or road around in a real nice chariot with big fat horses pulling it along? Did the Apostles travel around in a large private sea going vessel compliments a bunch of tithe payers or world missions pledges? Things that make you go hmmmm....
Chief's advanced school of investmentology. Never give your money to rich millionaire church leaders. If you want to give as unto the Lord, do it the Lord's way. Give to people who need it like the fatherless or widow or the less fortunate in the church.
Examples: Jam 1:27, Rom 15:26 or 1 Cor 16:1&2 which by the way has nothing to do with paying tithe like the NTCC suggests in their doctrinal statement. Compare Rom 15:26 and 1 Cor 1&2 and you'll see they are dealing with the same event. These scriptures deal with taking up a collection for "POOR SAINTS" which contrary to what the NTCC teaches doesn't have jack to do with paying tithe. 1 Cor 16:1&2 defined in Strongs. It's obvious if you know how to read and how to use your brain. This is another NTCC lie designed to mislead and deceive. How about Acts 4:35? When was the last time you saw Davis or Kekel try that one. Davis and Kekel have taught that Peter and John were misguided socialists in Acts 4. Amazing how they can twist the scriptures to suit their needs when it's convenient. If you aren't sure what those scriptures are just click on them. Mat 25:40. That's what giving unto the Lord is all about. Not paying tithes to some rich greedy multi mega millionaire like Davis and Kekel and watch them live like kings while you live from paycheck to paycheck.
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 209 of 209Wow! I went to work and come back to a whirlwind of "Kook Mania!" Poor Michael Riley! He is a prime example of how being in the NTCC will mess you up!
Hey Michael, maybe you need to go out and buy a Glock and go out shooting to relieve some of that stress. Who knows, you might even have some real fun. Just a friendly suggestion.
mdr
Anonymous said...
ANON MIKE,
So my wife and I left NTCC about 15 years ago. Tonight was the first night that I was able to talk to her about NTCC and the experience as a whole.
DNA said:
That's great Mike. When I left, I totally tried not to think about the ntcc for 14 years. I didn't look them up on the internet and I didn't allow them to rule my life. I still had lots of junk to unlearn, but at least I was free from the cult. I know that many people have different ways of processing this stuff, and for me, it all hit me at the same time like a ton of bricks.
For me it was realizing that God and the ntcc were two separate entities. It was like scales falling from my eyelids when I realized that the junk that I was taught in the ntcc had very little to do with God, and more to do with getting a few people rich and the manipulation of souls, minds and hearts. I felt like the whole time I was in the ntcc that I was lobotomized. We all had to literally shut off our brains to allow them to teach us their false doctrines. We opened up our minds like a playground so that a few con artists could manipulate us for the purpose of getting rich, and that is unfortunately what they are still doing. It's almost impossible to break through to people who are religiously brain washed. They are completely convinced that they are on their way to the streets of gold, and because of their religious fervor, they can't see that they are being used and played like a fiddle. We all were there. I hate the way I treated some of the brothers. I always sided with the ntcc leadership on every issue without fail. I held them all in such high esteem, but now that I know what they are all about, we try to warn them. It's difficult to get through to folks in the ntcc. It takes a humiliating experience. You almost have to lose everything to gain the knowledge that you are in a cult. Every single person that I know, that left the ntcc, didn't have much of anything when they left, to include friends an family. Dude, you are lucky to get out of there with your relationship with your wife in tact. Many spouses have been divided so that the brainwashed one can continue to produce for them, while the one that woke up is never welcomed back or reached out to. We all became cast aways, yesterdays garbage when we left. But not to God, only to them.
Hey Don, has anyone approached Bruce Smith about all the strange stuff surrounding Ralph's death? Has anyone followed up with the VA to see which one he died at? Julie has the legal right to such information from the police dept. and VA. Also she has legal rights to the death certificate. If none exists time to notify police departments with active investigations.
Joan B.
We carried this comment forward from a previous thread so Julie could see it and answer it if she wants to.
Sorry, I meant to copy and paste that last comment on our blog, but I had multiple windows open and was multitasking. If you want you can delete it, Chief, It's a good question but The little trashcan symbol isn't there for me to delete it because I published it anonymously.
No I'm fine with that. It is a valid question. I'm not much of a conspiracy guy but R. StClair's death was somewhat strange in that there really wasn't any public information of it's occurrence. Having said that, the last thing I want to do is suggest that it's all a farce when the guy is actually dead. Making claims like that when they are not at all true, can make us look really stupid and kooky (which I'm not) and kill the legitimacy of everything else we write. The truth is, I have no idea one way or the other. I'm convinced the guy was a serial child molester simply due to the volume of accusations made against him by people other than just Julie.
Who knows??? With the NTCC anything is possible because they certainly are masters at the "coverup" and deception and that is not speculation or a conspiracy theory. That is fact so I'd put nothing past the NTCC leadership which is why I entertain all accusations against them. Just when you think an accusation against the NTCC leadership is too far fetched, they prove you wrong every time. I'm not kidding.
Nothing I hear about them surprises me anymore because I have personal knowledge of so much they've done. I mean these guys are crooks to the max and real deal con artists. We throw the term "con artist" around quite often but I don't think the average NTCCer realizes how true that fits the description of the NTCC leadership. They are con artists.
Con Artist definitions:
1. A person adept at swindling by means of confidence games; swindler.
2. One adept at persuasion, esp at dishonest or self-serving persuasion.
3. a person who cheats or tricks others by persuading them to believe something that is not true.
Now does that describe the NTCC leadership or what?? The first definition is outstanding. That's the reason religious people are so good at being con artists. Because they get you to trust them because who would doubt a soul winning christian? Who would doubt a preacher? That's how they got me. I trusted them con artists and that's what it takes to be a con artist. You have to gain the trust of the people you con.
Chief
Do they still do this?
I understand the topic is about money-I get that, I understand. My questions are about 7 Baptisms !? We've attended NTCC in Alabama and they're teaching about Holy Ghost Baptism-A SEPERATE Baptism with "FIRE" Holy Ghost saying that you are saved but have to wait for a second baptism in the HOLY GHOST and Speaking in tongues is indeed the evidence of it - telling people basically your saved but in essence not that saved if you don't have the Holy Ghost (This is as I know it to be a Pentecostal belief) and the scriptures they give to substantiate their claim don't coincide with it at all much like their tithing scriptures ? I don't believe that and never have ... This teaching seems to cause a division/superiority among members and often leave those who believe this wondering "Why" they have not "Yet" Received the Baptism of the HOLY GHost ? Then as I stated They say their are 6 OTHER BAPTISMS ! What Do U Think Of This?
Only baptisms I ever heard about there in 16 years were water baptism and the baptism of the holy ghost. But certain pastors came up with their own nutty theories, I guess.
Here is the bottom line with the NTCC on the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. Here is what the Bible says:
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
....These are all rhetorical questions. The answer is NO. So here is my point.
The NTCC teaches that everyone who has "The Holy Ghost" will speak in tongues but the Bible clearly suggests otherwise. So they kind of coax people into doing it but here is the ironic part. When Briggs had cancer and died, where were the healings? When Ramirez got sick and died, where were the healings? They weren't because people in the NTCC people have not been given that gift. What about interpreting tongues? Not that one either? So the point is I simply don't buy it?
So thousands of NTCCers all speak in tongues, (because I witnessed them uttering something) but I never saw someone healed when they were sick like with cancer or something tangible like that. Quite honestly NTCCers can knowingly or unknowingly fake some noises with their mouth, but there was no one who could heal Briggs when everyone knew he was dying of cancer and of course he died. NTCCers are fake knowingly or not. It's just that simple.
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