My father was Peter Hoffman (Pete or PT) and my mom was Paula Hoffman.
My older brother was Stephen and my younger was Lance. I was the middle, Amanda.
I'd get boys both young and older teens flipping up my skirt and touching my body. I was even invited to an all boys treehouse. Turns out I was only invited to show off my body which made me feel dizzy with an overwhelming feeling of sickness and like bugs were crawling under my skin. I remember praying to God a lot, but people told me that he only helps you if you're good. I was 5 years old, what did I do that was so horrible that I deserved to have boys touch me and girls pull my hair and throw sharp rocks at me.
I told my mother everything except the sexual stuff. She wouldn't have believed me. And my father would have said I was asking for it or provoking it or get mad at me for no reason of my doing.
He'd belt me really hard for anything. Like, he had this Lincoln car next to the driveway, with all these bushes and trees close enough to touch it if a breeze came by it'd scratch his car. And every time he'd yell at us and spank us and ground us and take our dinner away until he fell asleep and mom came to get us to eat. He'd lose his keys and blame us, lose his wallet and blame us. He also raped my mom. But, in NTCC marriage rape is allowed.
Did things to me too. He'd hold me down and shove his tongue in my mouth.
I remember going to Rev Kenson about the abuse at home and everything. We were trying "counseling." Can you guess what he did? Instead of guiding my father in how to be a better father and husband, he told my father what I said! OF COURSE my father denied the allegations and my mom did too, both out of fear and thinking to herself "it's not that bad." She had to tell herself that because acknowledging the hell we lived that we couldn't escape was too much for her.
-Amy Weber
Chief wrote: NTCC People: Question? Did you ever read the part (or parts) in the Bible that showed God fearing people standing up for what is moral and right? Is Kinson still in the NTCC? Are you going to stand up for what is right. If not, I don't know how in the word you can even remotely consider yourself to be quote, "saved". You are not saved at all if you don't question this stuff and do something about it. Are you going to turn another blind eye to another girl who was getting her dads tongue slammed down her throat? You NTCC people are sick. "Sick" and "saved" do not mean the same thing. You say, "I'm not sick Chief". Well then do something about it other than just turning a blind eye. If you turn a blind eye, you are sick.
Kinson is an absolute moron. These people should be put in Jail. Amy's dad should be behind bars. Amy's Mom, should be tossed into a psycho ward. That tramp should have called the cops on sorry Peter her husband. What a bunch of basket cases. Amy, I don't know how old you are now or the statute of limitations concerning your situation, but you should go the the police and report as much as possible. This is exactly the problem with the NTCC. Olson, Kinson, and Kekel are all complicit and should be held responsible. Your story is one of the many and this stuff will keep happening until someone gets these creeps arrested. Kinson, you are a straight up chump, punk and a big fat crook. And by the way Amy, you shouldn't refer to Kinson as "Rev". He's Kinson the enabler / fat chump.
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Another typical day in NTCC. Phil Kinson was groping his own future wife when she was 13 or 14, so it's not surprising he wasn't any help. It's a sick and disgusting system run by creeps, and the only changes to be expected are cosmetic. Flee!
So I guess there will be no preaching about the latest scandal in the Catholic Church this weekend.
Yes, another typical day in the NTCC. The New Testament Christian Con Artists.
Even I don't want to believe this... It sounds far fetched, but is it?
I want to vomit reading it.
My goodness I want people to pay for this crap.
Mike
Oh, you can believe it. Read through this blog and see what you dig up. There is a lot more on this blog along these same lines. Read this blog and you'll see, non of this is a surprise.
What a grievous bunch. People who do this kind of stuff should be in jail. But how can you be surprised? This behavior is ignored by church leadership, (or lack thereof) and kept a secret from members. The victims are blamed, excoriated and discredited. Way too many of the former members of this vile group actually stick up for the leadership and accuse those who speak out against them as being spreaders of hate and any other nasty tag they can hang on you. That's all I got to say. Had to speak up on this one. Thanks JC for continually shining the light on these creeps.
I figured I'd post this one. For what it's worth. Thanks. They are creeps D&A.
i just started going to this church the one in aurora colorado can someone tell me about it. i am reading some scary stories and i want to know more about it. i am confused and afraid
Flee while you can...just read this site; you can easily draw your own conclusions from the horrifying testimonies preserved here for the very purpose of helping potential victims of this coercive bunch. Be not deceived by their smooth words and cheerful countenances; they're unadulterated control freaks who are looking to get their hooks into you. If you feel the need to go to church, find one that is less toxic; it will save you untold grief and angst.
Wow im scared I have been going almost a month now. When I didn't go I got a phone call and a text message. After reading these posts makes me scared and I may just look for another place.
Don't be scared. Just stop attending. Vic and I collectively have plenty of experience and exposure to the NTCC. The leaders of the NTCC are con artists. I went there for years, I know. I was in the military a good portion of my time in the NTCC. When I tell you these people are crooked, trust me. The pastors at the satellite churches are very brainwashed at a minimum. Worst case, straight up crooks along with the Graham Washington leadership. The reason I say this is because there is so much proof of their double standards, money scamming practice, abusive tactics, etc. I wound up serving a total of 31 years in the Army and thank God that most of those years was not with the NTCC. The founder RW Davis was a real deal con man. His daughter and son in law are probably even worse than he was if that is even possible. Olson, another prominent leader is has to be worse than them all just because of his deceit and complete lack of integrity. Olson's main purpose is to protect the leadership by covering up their crookery. He comes across as Mr. Joe humble who wouldn't hurt a fly kind of guy but he has more bones in his closet than Pirate. It's all a money making game with the express intent to make money at ALL COSTS no matter the damage.
They don't care how many families get broken apart or how much they scramble the brains of children. I've witnessed so many people leave the NTCC who's minds were cooked with all their brainwashing. Many of these folks could no longer think straight. Real deal PTSD. Scrambled eggs baby. Basket cases. No joke. Just read this blog and leave the NTCC as quickly as possible. Tell the NTCC minions to leave you alone. DON'T CALL ME, DON'T COME BY. LEAVE ME ALONE. PERIOD. Just read the stories on this blog. Most of what you'll find here are first hand accounts from real people who wasted portions of their lives in the NTCC. Man I'm one of them and thankfully my brain didn't get cooked by those brainwashers. As time went on, I easily saw right through their scam. The NTCC is no more than a money making machine where it all rolls uphill. I'm talking, the Kekels are LOADED. LIKE BIG TIME. The trees in front of their house cost more than you make in a year. Dude, or Dudess, you wouldn't believe how these people live and the hypocrisy they've practiced. They totally live a double standard. Just read this blog. We didn't make this stuff up.
A month is NOTHING. I know people who went there for 10, 20, 30 years and left. Pastors, ministers. Gone with nothing but horror stories to tell. Leave that scam. Trust me. Oh, and now that you said you go in Colorado, they will target you and preach at you. The pastor there has already got a phone call, you can be pretty confident of that. They will preach about this blog and warn you the devil is going to take your soul. Well the only devils you need to worry about in this case are the crooked ministers in the NTCC. They are the ones who will ruin your life and you still won't be saved. Blind leading the blind. Here is what the NTCC ministers do.
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
That's the NTCC to the letter. Compass military installations far and wide making children of hell. The NTCC are the scribes and pharisees but possibly worse.
Again, nothing to be scared about. These are humans just like you. Tell them to stop texting you. Man up. Let them text me, I'll tell them to take a long walk off a short pier. Nothing to be scared of.
My best advice is to call and talk to your Pastor, I also attend ntcc not the one in aurora though... A lot of these are lies... some future advice also.. I would not believe everything you read on the internet, there's always two sides to every story and some people like to twist things or exaggerate, I'm sure maybe not all but a good majority of the people that comment on here won't tell you what they did in the situation. Instead they just want to convince you that the men of God are just "Bad" men out to get you. I've been attending 6 years and know multiple ministers and there wives, and I know the Kinsons... none of which perfect but they aren't bad people.. and they are actually very loving.... so like I said bring up this blog post to your pastor and talk to him... Theres nothing to be afraid of..
That is horrible advise. The worst advise is to talk to your pastor. A lot of these are lies? Which one's are lies Anonymous. Kinson is not a "Man of God". The leadership in the NTCC is not comprised of "men of God". Kinson is a bad person. Loving? They love your money. Stop giving them your money and see how much they love you. Question their crazy rules and see how much they love you. Why did Kekel have other men's wives come to his house to clean it. So he could touch their butts? That's what several women claimed. What they are all lying? Ask why the Kekels son attended a Catholic college when that kind of "secular" involvement was considered to be choosing a degree over God? I heard all the messages. The Kekels are fake and so is Kinson. Justify the church funding the Kekels son at nearly $20,000 a year just to attend high school. Justify the church gifting a piece of property to the Kekels worth nearly $400,000 as a gift. Did you ever read Olson's justification for the property gift? His letter was laughable. You've been in the NTCC for 6 years. I was in the NTCC likely before you were born and I've forgotten more about that church than you've likely ever learned. No offense. If you ignore this blog you are willfully turning a blind eye to the facts. I suppose that Kekel wasn't slapping and touching the butts of women when they'd come to clean his house or that he had sex with a lady other than his wife at the camp ground. Oh, those were just lies also?
So everybody is just telling lies about Kekel. What about what Vic says about Kinson when they were together in the brainwashing bible school? Vic is lying also I suppose. Kinson and Kekel bragging about groping their future wives who were both at that time very young ladies in their teens. Oh there is ton's to be afraid of. The biggest is have ones thinking become like yours. You've wasted 6 years of your live whether you realize it or not. And you've funded the Kekels crooked endeavors in the process. Partaker in another mans sins. You may want to read this blog also. You might learn something about this organization you are a part of. You won't though. Your pastor will tell you not to. And you will follow his lead like the bible speaks of, the blind leading the blind.
Even if this blog was 99% a lie,are you willing to justify the 1%?
Even if 1% was true.. I'd forgive the 1% ... nobody's perfect and there is no perfect church. Not one.. I've been to several before ntcc none of which were perfect. We are an imperfect people that serve a perfect God... while I don't believe the sexual assault allegations against Rev. Kekel or other men of God in my organization because I know for a fact that's one thing they take seriously and take precautions against. I do believe there's a chance that maybe they made mistakes in the past, not sexual ones but others. But the way I see it we all have a chapter of our lives that we don't read out loud. There's things I've done in the past that I regret so why would I hold their shortcomings against them? They're just as much human as I am. See my God ,I don't know about yours but my God is a God of forgiveness and repentance... and if the one who created me and all of us throws our sins into the sea of forgetfulness and does no longer remember that sin what right do I have to bring that up??? None.. if anybody has a right to bring up someone's shortcomings and past it would be Jesus who is perfect and without sin but even He doesn't do that . And since the devil is the one who rubs your mistakes in your mistakes,if I chose to do the same I would see it as I'm doing the devil's work not God's . So... even if some of this is true on these blogs not the sexual stuff... but the others I will not justify it but I'm also not gonna hold it against them,I'm gonna forgive them.. I think you forget that we were all supposed to be on that cross that even your best work and best days are nothing compared to Jesus' and that's supposed to be the one that you compare yourself to.. Not Kinson, not Kekel, not Pastor Olsen and while I have great respect for them,I've never given them anything but yet they treat me with love and kindness it's still Jesus that I have to compare myself to. Because man will fail you no man's perfect and if you were actually honest you'd admit and so would Vic that you were not innocent in the situations and circumstances that you talk about and you're not perfect either.. So yes I will continue to stay in my imperfect church and continue to be an imperfect person, that's guided by imperfect people who love and care for me while we serve a perfect God.... and yes my best advice for the person above was go talk to their Pastor cause I know they'll do the best they can to watch out for their soul...
Here is what I know. You have falsely accused everyone who's written eye witness testimonies on this blog so therefor you are %100 a lie. Do you doubt that I was in the organization? Do you think that's a lie? Do you doubt that I saw the land deed that I've referenced? Do you doubt that Olson tried to justify it in writing? Do you doubt that these women wrote the statements about Kekel? Do you doubt Vic's eye witness account of Kekel and Kinson groping their teen age girlfriends? Vic was with them in at the "seminary" you know. Notice I put quotes around seminary. You don't believe the sexual assault allegations? I know why that is. Because you no longer possess the ability to think for yourself. Do you know how many women have written about this stuff. WAY TOO MANY. All of them are lying?
Here is the problem. You are not serving a perfect God. You are serving Kekel, Kekel's way. Haven't you ever read the bible? That's a serious question. Haven't you ever read the part about the blind leading that blind and both falling into the ditch? You call that serving God? You just write that off as simple imperfection? Doing the best they can to watch out for their soul? How about best them can to watch out for Kekel and Kinson by covering up their lies and hypocrisy and best they can to watch out for their wallet. That's not serving God thank you. You are so brain washed. It's practically comical. Rather sad.
Based on the last paragraph you wrote you are throughly brainwashed. The real deal. Kinson, Kekel and Olsen are crooks, con artists and hucksters and you are their henchman. An enabler. So you are saying it's ok to have sex with a brothers wife? That's just imperfection right? No problem. Taking church property and putting it in Kekel's name as a gift? No problem right? You are so ridiculously brainwashed it's kind of funny. Make sure you make a good pledge to "world missions" next time you are at conference. LOL. Your loss not mine. Read the blog, open up your brain and stop being a mindless dummy. God gave you a brain for a reason. Use it. Oh I forgot, your pastor is your brain. Kekel is your brain. You brain no longer functions.
By the way, you know you are being disobedient? You shouldn't even be on this blog? You need to get saved. Repent. Oooooo. You should be getting convicted right about now. You've disobeyed con artist Kekel. Make sure you pray through and repent for coming on this blog. You must have missed that message. DO NOT COME ON THESE BLOGS? You've sinned for sure. Do you watch television? SIN! Do you know any women in the NTCC who work at a job? SIN! Oh I take that back. It's not a sin if Olsen and Kekel approve it. I forgot. Being alone with a women and touching her where you shouldn't be touching her is a sin. Oh silly me. Forgot again. It's ok for Kekel and Kinson to do it. Did you know that Kinson got caught coming out of a whore house? Oh, the former pastor Reed was lying about that also. Just human right? You know what, you actually are right when you say that. Imperfect. Correct. Problem is I'm not following a so called "pastor" who's been known to conduct himself in such a manner since he was supposedly saved. I'm just wasting my time because you as I type you are lost. God couldn't reach you if his arm was ten miles long which essentially it is one would presume. Oh you are lost and you'll remain that way until you turn on your brain and realize that Kekel is a con man and the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob does not want you serving a con man. Read Chapters 2 and 3 of Revelation and open your brain in the process and you'll realize that God is not real fond with rich church folks like Kekel.
1 Tim 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
And there you have Kekel and RW Davis when he was alive. Show me one example in the New Testament of someone living like the Kekel's and being right with God. Being waited on by other mens wives. Find that one in the New Testament. Brainwashed.
"Not the sexual stuff." Hah. You're such a sucker. Phil Kinson and Mike Kekel boasted to me personally that they were making out and groping Tanya and Debbie when they were 13-14 years old, and when I and the other shocked brother present protested and implored them to repent, they told us they had no intention of ceasing their behavior. The other guy was so freaked out he went to RW Davis and told him. Kekel exploded when he heard that, but of course nothing was done. These guys received special treatment, and were secretly permitted to date unchaperoned, an unheard of privilege at that time (because of course you can't trust upcoming ministers in the only true church on earth not to fornicate at the first opportunity).
When I brought up this past behavior online, they reacted predictably--by lying about it and denying it! Up until that point I still considered the possibility that they were just misguided, but once they outed themselves as outright liars, I knew they were corrupt to the bone. A real "man of god" would acknowledge his sins and ask for forgiveness, but not these fakes; they have to pretend they've always been rectitude personified. If they had just said "yeah, we were overcome by the flesh and committed youthful indiscretions," I'd have been the first to extend forgiveness, but now that they've revealed their true nature I can do nothing but despise them.
Stop drinking the Koolaid and wake up. You're involved in a dangerous cult and can either ignore this information at your peril or man up and shake their dust off your feet. You have no excuses and are enabling the destruction of lives by supporting these despicable users. You've already wasted six years.
Your funny and naive. Rw Davis couldnt remember the last time he sinned, they are not humble imperfect christians. They are wolves in sheep clothing. Tanya Kekel is RW Davis' biological daughter that he adopted while a missionary. Figure that one out. No sexual sins? Ha. How about their former music leader in Graham. Prison time for molesting kids, where was the precaution?
Eric
My Pastor is most certainly not my brain.. I do as I feel God wants me to. And I'm not in trouble for coming on here? My Pastor's wife knows I have come on here and commented, and I did not get in trouble or rebuke as you suggested would happen. And there's two sides to every story, I also know for a fact there are things that you guys have flat out lied about and twisted. I can't help what you guys decide to do. I do know how ever if you get church hurt by someone and leave sounds more like you had a relationship with people and not with God. Being a Christian isn't easy no matter where you go and like I previously stated there is no perfect church ,and if there was don't go there you'll ruin it because you are not perfect. I also bet there are times when those men had done good things to you and been good to you and really helped you, yet you won't share that. You guys are scaring people not only away from Ntcc but from God in a general sense...and that is something you will have to stand before God about. If I were in your guys shoes I would be terrified, my God is a merciful God but He is also a just God. And you will have to answer for all the lies, false accusations, and scaring people that you have done and spread. It may seem like you guys some how have one and you've really gotten a one up on those "bad" men and the "evil" ntcc... but God will not be mocked. There is joy in sin for a season... and I'd be really scared cause you never know when God is going to decide your guy's season is up.. I don't think you can only be saved if you attend ntcc but NYC is by far the best church I've ever been to and will continue to go to... so guess I'm gonna continue to "drink the koolaid " hopefully it's blue that's the best kind... because I know these men and they are real men of God..
Know for a fact that we've lied hey? Give ONE example. State one fact. We've given eye witness examples. Tell me where I've lied on this blog. Just one example.
You do as God wants you to? You don't even know what God wants you to do. Has God ever talked to you? Of course not. The bible even says that. Do you know where in the bible that it says God "won't talk to you? So if God won't talk to you, in this case your pastor is your brain because everything you've written is such "NTCC" jargon it's laughable. Examples:
"Church Hurt" Typical. NTCC all the way. How about cult wise. How about I have a brain that can still think logically and exercise common sense. If it smells like a wolf and acts like a wolf it's a wolf even if it's in sheep's clothing.
"You will have to stand before God" Blah, blah, blah. Oh, you just put the fear of God in me. NOT!! That's an NTCC trick. Keep people in fear of continual judgment. Cult 101.
"God will not be mocked". You are so predictable. Real hell, fire and brimstone preacher you are. They have you running around scared of them just like a good cult does. You are good and brainwashed. And you're right but wrong at the same time. God won't be mocked. The problem is, Con Artist Kekel, Old Double standard Davis, Kinson the creep, and Olsen the enabler are anything but "men of God" which is why I've been mocking them for a DECADE now. No lightning yet. No earth quakes under my house yet. No flood waters at my house for the last ten years. God knows that the NTCC leadership is crooked and creepy as the day is long. The more I mock those creeps the more I get blessed.
"Joy in sin for a season". Boy you are a well trained "NTCC" christian. I'm impressed with your knowledge of the scriptures. You sure impressed me with that one. You may want to hit Kekel and Kinson with that scripture because they've been sinning all along which must be why they have so much joy. You must be experiencing a lot of joy because every day you remain in the NTCC you are certainly living in sin constantly. But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. That's you whether you realize it or not. You'll get a bit of a break though I would guess unlike your con artist leaders. You are just a blind follower and a brainwashed Pharisee minion. Are you a real man of God? Kekel and Kinson on the other hand know exactly what schemes they've been perpetuating all along.
"I know THESE men are real MEN OF GOD". Oh my! They've got you hoodwinked for real. And that is how a cult gets you. Convince people that the leaders of the cult are something they are absolutely NOT. Well while you remain convinced, i.e. BRAINWASHED, I will continue to mock those crooks openly just like I've done for 10 years now. Kekel, Kinson and Olsen are creeps, crooks, con artists and dirt bags and anything BUT LOL men of God. They are just scum bag con men and they've certainly done a good job with you because your brain is non functional from a common sense and logical stand point. Did you even read what Vic wrote? Just more lies? Blah, blah, blah. Real men of God my white butt. My toilet is more a real man of God than Kekel or Olsen. Grow up.
If you know for a quote, "fact" that we've lied about stuff and as you put "twisted", state the fact. If you can't you are a false accuser and the bible states that God doesn't like false accusers / liars. You like hell fire and brimstone preaching? Liars lake of fire baby. So state your so called facts or you are a false accuser. I've stated facts about the Kekel family.
Land deed, FACT.
Kekels son Catholic college fact.
Kekel's son wore shorts to play football and Kekel admitted to it when NTCC preacher after preacher preached it was sin. FACT.
Kekel brought a young lady to the lodge as was corroborated by more than one witness fact. Kekel has other mens wifes cleaning his house and more than one have testified that he touched their butt, FACT!!!
Davis taught that if an NTCC church was having money problems and they needed to hold more church services if they weren't having the maximum suggested amount already. FACT, I was in the conference where he said that. Hold more church services, get more money from the people. And don't be afraid to ask for it, FACT. More services, more money. FACT.
Show me just ONE example of that practice in the New Testament Bible. The NTCC in their doctrinal statement lies about the meaning of 1 Cor 16:2. That is an absolute fact. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH TITHING. FACT!!!!! So why would your great church leaders "MEN OF GOD" lie about that. A blind dummy knows that's a lie. Dude, you are brainwashed. Open your brain and read.
Ask your wonderful NTCC leadership why they site 1 Cor 16:2 in their very own doctrinal statement to as justification for compulsory tithing? Ask you blind guide.
Why does you sorry leadership teach that Due 22.5 means that a women can't wear pants. Have you ever studied the strongs concordance? Oh I forgot your pastor is not your brain. Strongs Hebrew lexicon teaches that Due 22.5 means that a women shouldn't wear battle gear worn by man fit for Battle. Oh, you didn't know that did you. Figures. Well here I'll make it easy for you. Just copied straight from Strongs. strong man, warrior (emphasising strength or ability to fight. vessel or weapon):—armour(-bearer), artillery, bag. Due 22.5 doesn't have jack to do with a women not being allowed to wear pants for crying out loud. If you want to translate it properly it means a woman shouldn't wear a weapon carried by a man fit for battle. Not just any man. So this scripture has NOTHING to do with a women not wearing pants. Oh your pastor will twist that too. Too many of you NTCC people are just simple and refuse to study for yourself because you blindly follow your pastor / brain one in the same.
Man I could go on and on. Keepers at home. 1 Tim 2:5 domestically inclined (a "good housekeeper"):—keeper at home. Straight from strongs. I guess they got that wrong too hey? Women can't have a job? Oh did you know they said it was ok for a women to have a job is she lived in Korea? Men of God hey? Dude open your brain and get your pastor out. He's not your brain. God gave you a brain so use it.
How about the NTCCs practice of zeroing out escrow accounts? I don't guess you know anything about that either. How about Davis telling pastor Reed to take up a special collection from "the people" to get the roof fixed when the church had at that time $280,000 in the account where that church was located? Are you going to just explain that away also? Dude, the list is never ending. Read the darn blog. The NTCC leadership is crooked, plain and simple. You ever consider that God may be trying to help you here? Oh that didn't cross your mind. Maybe God respect you and doesn't want to see any longer getting bamboozled by these crooks. Either way. Suckers are born every day.
Man if you keep reading this blog, you might actually get saved. LOL.
Oh, how about the NTCC leadership advocating the needlesss slaughter of house cats claiming they were of the devil??? You didn't know that either did you? Well it's a fact. I listened to a pastor preach against, "CATS" for crying out loud. People in the NTCC would KILL CATS. That's a fact. Do you think I'm making it up? Man I couldn't dream that one up if I tried.
I actually got preached at because we owned a cat. Call me a liar? If you do you are a liar. Lake of fire. Call me a liar and be a false accuser. What about self cars? Do you know about that? Well then why does Kekel own one? You don't even know what I'm talking about. We were preached at if we owned a quote, "self car". I guess it's ok for the Kekel's to own them as long as he used our tithe money to purchase one. Man you NTCC people are so blind.
Simply not perfect hey? Dropping cats in a water well and running them over deliberately with your car and pastor laughing about it? Simply not perfect hey? How about a scrambled brain from all Davis' nutty preaching. NTCC people are sick.
Chief this guy is a sad brainwashed tool. He's a walking encyclopedia of NTCC buzzwords, just like we were. "No church is perfect." Yeah, we know that, but there are plenty of churches that don't engage in the wholesale abuse rampant at NTCC. It's hilarious he's trying to make us tremble in fear like he does for daring to blaspheme the phony leaders he worships. My experience jibes with yours; the more I denounce this bunch of disgusting hypocritical users, the smoother and more prosperous my life gets. Oh I know, the devil must be blessing us! Now he's even trying to get his pastor in trouble; no doubt there will be some phone calls rebuking him for not discouraging participation on your worthy blog. He wants to pretend he has all this liberty. Pfft; we know better. One yank on his chain and he'll be blubbering and asking the "men of god" for forgiveness for stepping out of bounds.
RW Davis himself taught us that god wouldn't speak to us, because we had a pastor. He was all about puffing these men up so that we'd esteem them beyond measure. I was a pastor though, and somehow didn't get all the big revelations about other peoples' lives. They didn't get them either; they operated on information, not inspiration. That's why the whole mess is predicated on "brothers" ratting each other out. It's a big contest for who can be the biggest brown noser.
If Phil Kinson and Mike Kekel are "men of god," let them step up and repent of the lascivious acts for which they boasted. They took the indecent liberties in which they reveled, or else tried to make themselves look like the big men on campus by lying about it and slandering their fiances' morals; either way they're sinners for not coming clean. I know for a fact what they said because I was there, so don't tell me how holy they are.
Chief I tried to post you at your old netzero address but it bounced--can you get me some contact info? Heading back east soon and might be able to swing by for a visit.
706-905-8554 Vic
For 1 I'm not a guy.. I'm a lady.. so you can stop "this poor guy".. and not in a million years would I believe people I have never met over people I've known for years who've been nothing but upfront and honest with me. Also- Timothy 5:19 Against an Elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses .... so theres another reason I'm not gonna believe you... plus Vic if you went to ntcc before I was born I assume all these things you accuse these men about happen then as well... that's a longggg time to hold a grudge. Why not just move on with your life if you are doing so great with God...
The reason not to move along with ones life is because we actually care about people. Vic's account is just one of thousands. Not only that, we've seen this stuff all too often with the NTCC. Kekel and Kinson are just two of the many examples we've not only witnessed first hand but have carefully considered the testimonies of others. Miss lady, I've talked to more NTCC people than I can count who have testified to the same kind of atrocities. I've witnesses too much horrible stuff myself. I could tell you about Pastor after Pastor who've been horrible. From child abuse, to church member abuse, to wife abuse, etc. Misuse of church funds, inconsiderate, mean nasty people and so on. It's all written on this blog.
So here is a question? Have you ever read about someone getting raped or murdered? Have you? What if you'd met those people not knowing they were rapist or murderers? Do you think a rapist just runs around with a "rapist" sign attached to their shirt? What about someone who shoots up a school. "School shooter here" "Come get me"? That's silly. If that was the case, there'd be no school shooting, rapes or murders. We'd all know who they all are. Well unfortunately in this world that is not the case and believe me it's not the case in the NTCC either. You have bad people in your church, and your leadership is comprised of many crooked, lying, con artists and I know that for a fact. It's all chronicled here. I didn't start this blog to lie on people. I have better things to do with my time. The NTCC is MESSED UP. FOR REAL. THAT IS A FACT. READ THE BLOG from the beginning. Read the things I've written. The NTCC is horrable. They will waste your life. They have and will misuse your money. That is an absolute fact. They have mistreated so many women. The doctrines they teach that specifically apply to women are bogus all too often.
Here is the deal. If you are hell bent on remaining in the NTCC it doesn't effect me one way or the other. Frankly I could care less. But with that being said, If this blog can save one person from wasting their life, then that is great and I've accomplished an important mission. Helping people is a good thing and I've helped a lot of people escape the NTCC by simply confirming what many of them already really knew but didn't have the nerve to stand up and do something about it.
Follow the money. Everything in life comes down to the money. Where yiu spend your money is what you value. Jesus said, where yiyr treasure is, there will your heart be also. NTCC spends zero dollars investing in church plants or funding new ministry. The funnel all money back to Graham where it goes to the leadership under the guise of Pastor Tithe. They then build mansions, by luxury cars and lavish vacation homes.
Its not a church, its a real estate company.
Eric
You see, "pun intended", Eric is on the money. Not one example in the New Testament Bible of Christian leaders living like the Kekels or Davis'. When you really take time to think about it, it's so obvious. The love of money is the root of ALL EVIL. Oh, I guess that scripture didn't apply or doesn't apply to the Davis' and Kekels. It is so obvious.
Sorry for mistaking your gender; my bad. I never said I went to NTCC before you were born, but that might be possible if you were born after the '70s. I'm not holding any grudges; I'm watching out for others so they don't experience the same agony and mistreatment that I and countless others have. How do you know they've been honest and upfront with you anyway? They're very accomplished liars. You are enabling a wicked entity with your time, energy, and money. If there is an opportunity to broadcast the truth about these grifters, I take it. If you're "just a church member," as the NTCC leadership views you, you haven't even scratched the surface of this organization. Should you ever answer "the call of god," you'll start finding out what we're talking about. These crooks have become more wary since they've been exposed on the internet, but even if they've made the outside of the platter clean, inside there is nothing but corruption and selfishness. Keep paying your tithe; an overseer someplace needs a new motorhome.
I just stumbled upon this blog today, so I'm not sure how all the commenting works. My father and stepmom are in the church, and they have their own branch in Missouri. I grew up going to the church every other weekend, so obviously I was shunned by the other kids for having divorced parents, and short hair. My dad has been in the church since he got out of the army in the early 90s, he chose the church over going to medical school, something I am still very mad at him for. He has been struggling financially since joining the church,and when my parents were still together our house was always cold, to a point where we would turn the stove on for heat, because we couldnt afford gas to heat it up. My mom ended up divorcing my dad after being treated AWFULLY by the people in the church. When she was pregnant with me she was close to dying due to some complications and they judged her for missing a few church services while she was on strict bed rest. I missed out on having a good relationship with my dad because of this church. He wasnt even there for my birth because he had to go to conference in Graham. I wish there was a way I could convince him that this church is crazy.
Anonymous,
Sorry to hear about the impact NTCC had on your childhood and relationship with your parents. Unfortunately, this is a common story. One of the many reasons NTCC is a disgusting organization.
Eric
If anyone knows anything about the Lathams, I would love to hear it. They were in Graham for many years before going to Oklahoma and then to Missouri. I just came to the realization yesterday that they moved him to Missouri because his landscaping business was doing very well in Oklahoma and then he moved and now they're very poor.
This is to the lady who's been posting as one who thinks all this stuff is simply lies. The quote, "sister" who thinks Kekel is such a great guy. So Miss NTCC lady, do you think this one is a lie also? Do you think it's cool to put a sorry conference over the birth of your own child? Would you do that? You call that Christianity? Living in cold house. Not taking care of your family? Do you know what the Bible says about that?
1 Tim 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
This guys dad is not only sorry but he is worse than an infidel. Not even saved. Didn't even care about his immediate family who lived with him. Oh he's such a faithful brother. Goes to conference no matter what. He's just sorry. So who advocates what this jerk did? Leaving his wife and kid for a sorry piece of trash conference.
Eric is correct. The NTCC is disgusting. Stories like this one are more common in the NTCC than the number of brainwashed NTCCers who advocate this kind of conduct. And that's pretty common. Disgusting.
Also, to add to my story about not having heat, Kekel let us borrow money to warm up the house but my dad had to pay him back instantly, which completely defeats the purpose of borrowing money. (I'm also a girl, btw. Which is why the kids didnt like me having short hair)
Another account of how NTCC completely screwed up a family. I've seen it with my own eyes dozens of times. People are forced to choose between doing right by their families or obeying some stupid manmade church rule, and the penalties for not ditching the family are severe. Of course these same idiotic restrictions are optional for the leadership, who make sure that their offspring aren't subjected to the same ridiculous and abusive deprivations. The thing that pisses me off most about NTCC is the dreary bondage it inflicted on my kids. I can take my lumps for making a bad decision and believing the rapacious so-called "men of god" leading this disaster, but stealing childhoods is on another level of evil. Whatever hellfire they pronounce on "sinners" is too good for them.
It's also true that when a person starts to prosper too much, the overlords will disrupt their lives and send them someplace else. They strive to prevent anyone from having resources sufficient to furnish them with options. The serfs have to be controlled so the elites can continue enjoying their lavish lifestyles.
NTCC is not a legitimate church--it's a cult operated by control freaks handpicked by the sick and twisted founder, RW Davis.
I am going to comment without the anonymous mask now, if someone from here could please contact me it would be very greatly appreciated. I am going to talk to a psychology teacher and my dads family to understand how to talk him out of this cult. I've had enough of seeing these people drain him of his entire life.
Email is eddyykaaa@gmail.com
You can't talk them out of it... You have to show them out of it. I'd confront Kekel in front of everyone and say hey? Where is YOUR son? Why did he become some IT puke instead of a pastor?
Another thing is get them to break their never ending work week... Find a way to get them a break if they go on vacation they'll never want to come back.
Take them on a 2 or 3 day vacation and have has much fun as possible. Let them live and enjoy their own family. Who'd want to come back just to "Soul Win", or attend "prayer meetings" where everyone tries to show off how loud they can be with God... 7 stinking days a week...
Years ago when I was plying the piano for rw and Ntcc, the lord showed me that "in the future, you won't even be with this group." That came true. God is real and He does lead people away from evil. "Deliver us from evil" came true for me. I started back in 1974 with that group. They told volumes of lies about me yet the Lord always helped me.
Yeah they lie on everyone. I was there to hear them lie about you, and I heard that after I left they smeared me too. It's what they do.
Dogs were killed too.
Here's a challenge NTCC female congregant standing up for NTCC. Stop paying your tithe and stop all giving, completely. Take that 10% of your income plus what you would have given the church and donate it to a food bank.
You will quickly find out that you are nothing more than a Piggy Bank that its sole purpose in NTCC is to fill the church coffers.
If it were not for double standards, the NTCC would have no standards at all. The standards that exist apply only to the common folk.
I have to admit that since I was only in a church at FT Campbell I never saw what the higher ups were doing. My pastor seemed pretty straight (Pastor Oliverez). It seems like the powerful were the ones fleecing the church but I never saw any of that.
The others were doing the same thing. However ignorant they may have been, they were involved. They saw enough in Graham to have at least some idea of the hypocrisy.
Sometimes it takes awhile to sink in, and sometimes it never does. We were strongly conditioned to idolize these leaders, and mind control is a powerful tool. It's taken some people decades to cut through the brainwashing fog. Others are down with it and are accountable for supporting what they know to be a corrupt and exploitative organization.
There is no feasible way to pass blanket judgment on all; it's a mixed bag. Each person, whether "just a member" (as the NTCC elitists like to say) or a minister at whatever level, will have to come to the realization of what participation in and support for this pernicious group enables.
Wake up and flee if you're still trapped! Don't continue to be part of the problem.
I will have to break down my comments too many characters.... part 1
Wow, found this blog so many years later. I was not as informed or tech savvy in my younger years as I wish I was. Fortunately, I was with NTCC for a short time 98-2000. From the soul winning invite those brothers are smooth talkers, at the time my first duty station I’m 18 and going through some stuff and praying, believed in God way before the NTCC got to me. Approached and not knowing many people and assumed since they were soldiers also brothers in arms I would be in good company. After attending first few services it was odd to me men sat on the left and women sat on the right divided by the center walkway but tossed it up to being ultra conservative. I asked about it and of course it was to prevent us from being lustful or ending up in a situation where we would end up in sin. I ended up attending more at the church and it’s many services/prayer meetings, a trumpet subscriber, and eventually became a brother myself, this status was given after I moved into the home, this took a lot of convincing because I thought I have free barracks room why pay for a room off post? Of course, I was told it’s for the work and will of God and not that unreasonable in my mind I could accept that. Though what went through my mind often was where was the home for women? I always thought are they not just as important to the ministry? Not sure if they have homes for women now it’s been so long. I myself picked up on the NTCC lingo not hard once you move into the home and attending all the services throughout the week and soul winning. I did enjoy being with all the brothers at the home, you feel a belonging so it’s easy to get sucked in. I did always feel sorry for the pastor’s wives as they did all the cooking and cleaning, I offered several times to assist and always turned down something that I am and always been against, not contributing to the cooking or cleaning. I felt so bad they (the wives) would make pancakes, eggs, and bacon for all us guys in little pans, that I decided to purchase and gift a large cook top skillet for those breakfast meals. Still that was not enough to deter me from attending. I remember phoning my sister (real biological sister) who is a very spiritual woman and I guess I incorporated my NTCC speak into our conversation, she cried and told me I am in a cult and of course I could not see it, we had several more conversations on and off she was upset for those conversations and told me can’t you see it? I guess I chose not to. I really came to like the pastor and then he had been moved, I never knew where and did not care so much for the new one. I even attended a conference, I never felt so uncomfortable in a place and how they gushed all over the leadership was sickening it bothered me, but the smooth-talking brothers were convincing in their reasoning that I brushed off the feeling. I then shortly after received my orders to PCS to Korea. I’m not sure exactly how I came to end up at the NTCC there in Korea (Casey) either they found me, or I found them. Anyhow what got me a little upset is they have a home there in Korea and expected me to be a part of it (paying rent) when I was in a FA unit going out to the field two weeks every month and little off post time too (restrictive on those warrior passes), so paying full rent for maybe a few weekends, but of course being a good NTCC Christian I did it. So with much of my time being occupied by the army and church I felt a bit smothered and wanted to enjoy some of my personal time while in Korea, so I skipped out on church and boy do they take notice real quick, you feel so awkward having to explain why you wanted to take some time for yourself like it’s a sin to take a little time to yourself.
part 2......
NTCC members try a break, miss a service or two, or try to take the week no communication then come back and see how you are treated “sinner” I happened to take a trip to OsanAB, happened to be on post and met a Korean woman who was married to a soldier who knew sign language but I knew sign language too but did not understand what she was saying so I approached her and tried ASL (American Sign Language) she understood and changed to ASL I found out there is Korean Sign Language too. Anyhow she asked if I was interested in meeting a Korean local deaf woman and I said yes, I ended up dating this woman and as a good NTCC Christian thought it would be the right thing to do and bring her to church. Of course, it was an evening service and the home was a few blocks away for fellowship afterwards. I was walking with my new girlfriend holding her had (no sinning, never slept with her) just getting to know her. The pastor few up in his car and yelled at me like I was the super sinner of the world. Out in the open, I felt like who was this deranged person yelling at me like I’m not a person, like I’m his kid, like I was some teenager and not an adult. I’ll keep it clean, “my dumb self” did not turn away, I still with my girlfriend went to the home for fellowship “what was I thinking” really after all that, brainwashed is a harsh thing. I felt like seriously can’t court a woman how would I ever get married. That was my turning point I wanted to get married and I’m an adult and know God and how to be respectful to a woman when dating and for another man (pastor) to assume the worst and what it may have looked like in his opinion as I was walking down the street holding a woman’s hand “choice words come to mind” you don’t know me and I know God is watching me way more closely than you fool. I answer to God only and not some pastor/mortal man. I stopped going so they pulled in the big guns, they somehow knew my fondness for the pastor when I was in Texas the one who got moved and I did not know where, happened to be in Korea in Seoul not far from Casey and he called me and asked me to come see him. I of course fell for it and went to pay him a visit. I seen some brothers there from Texas too. After the service I was able to talk with the pastor and I told him what happened he actually stood up for the other pastor and not see it from my side I did not “SIN” for courting a woman, we don’t have to court the NTCC way just God’s way, marriage licenses were created by man not God sorry folks, guess those without licenses are sinners lol. Don’t give me that unequally yoked stuff either (Gomer) For the NTCC woman who commented for this church, try to date or act as if you want to date outside the church let them see you handholding in the evening or do something that in their eyes is not right but in the sight of God right and see how well they treat you. If you blindly follow and not pay attention to what’s going on around you, you won’t see it, and all will seem good. Read the Bible read multiple translations think on your own, don’t take just anyone’s opinion, question all until you find the truth. Don’t blindly follow sometimes it takes a big wakeup call in your life personally to actually see. We are here to show what has happened to us and you choose with all of what’s being said. There’s more things I could say but what I said I hope it helps others too. Some experienced worse because they were in it longer than others. I did not mention money/giving but I believe in giving to a church and outside the church I don’t give all to the church now. 10% was never enough though for NTCC the pressure to give more is always the forefront. Not all the people are bad Brothers and Sisters of the congregation the blinded/brainwashed like I was.
Bro Z
Bro Z, wish I'd have figured out what they were about as quick as you did. It took me 15 years of jumping through hoops to finally wake up.
No kidding Vic. Bro Z, its an old story that many GI's have experienced. Glad you were only entangled for 2 years. I was robbed of 14.
Everything you described is text book. The hand off referral when someone pcs's, the brining in the former pastor to try and salvage them.
NTCC is ran by a group of perverts that see sin everywhere except within themselves.
Eric
I'm just going to lay this out there.....i grew up in this church . I'm now 29. My dad was a pastor for them and a teacher in the college. This is exactly how these people are. Especially in graham.
Good for you for figuring that out. I was in your dads role and the main regret I have is the way I was influenced to treat my kids. I hope he figures it out one day, if he hasn't yet.
Hello, it's ms. Ntcc again.. I've just came to say that half truths are no better than whole lies. 50 years strong!! The devil can't destroy what God has established, no matter how big his minions mouths are!!
Hey Anon. Sorry to see that you are still deceived. I hope one day your eyes are opened to the hypocrisy like many of ours were. Length of existence doesn't prove anything other than they are highly effective at deceiving people. Fortunately for many, it's not for too long. I was deceived for over 10 years of the prime of my life and lost so much. My biggest regret is ever having been deceived into believing in this cult in the first place.
No need to feel sorry for me... I am not deceived. Just living my life for the Lord. And loving the family that God has blessed me with in the lord! Funny how people want to blast everything Ntcc supposedly did wrong but wont speak a word on the right that theyve done... You may be able to try and mock my brothers and sisters organization but you'll never be able to take away the experiences they've had(including myself) with God in the organization!
No one who's deceived is aware of that, by definition. Fifty years of ripping people off is just the beginning; there's a sucker born every minute. But one by one, people do begin to see the pernicious nature of NTCC. It's never too late to escape the oppression, and everyone who's done so will attest to the massive improvement in quality of life. Flee!
Thats cause you guys take a little bit of truth and throw in a whole bunch of lies... Like move on... get a life... or a hobby... y'all literally kept commenting even though I hadn't commented for a year A YEAR! I was living my life and y'all was having an argument with yourselves... GET A LIFE. Ok you left the church thats your prerogative but don't be trying to convince people that the organization is something that its not.. just because your butthurt cause things didn't work out how y'all thought they should of worked out.. yeah maybe they didn't do things right all the time but no church does... But I know for a fact they done a lot of good too. Here's a thought MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIVES.. pathetic lives apparently since y'all have the time to sit here and type novels... boohoo.. I'm playing the world's smallest violin for you guys.
Hahaha, I've moved far beyond but will denounce your twisted cult until my dying breath. Get a life yourself, instead of being a robot, carrying water for your bloated overlords. "They didn't do things right all the time" is in serious contention for the greatest understatement in history. It's a scam, bitch!
The thing about NTCC is in order to be a member you have to suppress your better judgment. You constantly have to make excuses in your mind for the things leadership does and says. Its like being a Republican under Trump. Also, Epstein didn't kill himself.
Eric
Right, my denial mechanisms achieved extraordinary robustness from the herculean effort it took to sustain the fiction that NTCC is anything but a manipulative cult run by control freaks. Actual reality is much simpler, though more depressing.
I was in the NTCC for a year and a half and left in 1995. My reason for leaving was pretty pathetic, as I was envious of those living in sin and wanted to do the same thing. I knew almost nothing of the NTCC's inner machinations at the time, though, or I might have left much sooner.
I did notice and/or experience, however, a lot of the things of which people on this blog and others have testified. I was at the servicemen's home at Wahiawa, Hawaii from 1993-95 under pastors J.P. Rodrigues, MDR, and J. Medrano. I also enjoyed my time with the brothers in the church. Wes, Dennis, Jose, Gil, Joey, Raphael, and several others. However, I experienced the humiliation of brothers (including myself) during sermons for "sinning" (i.e. missing a church service, not "giving 'til it hurts," etc.). I noticed how quickly church members would rush to "escort" those out of the service who were deemed "mentally ill" and "unreachable for God" (i.e., local poor people). I too was stuffed with all manner of unhealthy food during "fellowship" and never heard a word spoken against gluttony. My bank account was drained each month for every tithe and offering under the sun. I spent the vast majority of my waking, non-working time in every conceivable Christian "activity," and my non-attendance at a single one of these events would inevitably cause me to "split hell wide open" when I died. I attended a single conference in Missouri and witnessed the dating wall of shame firsthand. "Pastor" R.W. Davis graced us at our church with his divine presence once, where he actually said out loud that he couldn't remember the last time he'd sinned and told us to never go into debt for anything except a car or a home while simultaneously stuffing his face with every rich and creamy food that Sis. Reed had slaved over making for him during the hours prior to his advent.
The unfortunate consequence from my time at NTCC was that the false doctrine taught there and their fake "holiness" culture warped my mind to the point where I left God for 25 years and only returned to Him 3 months ago at a Presbyterian Church. I now feel very blessed and eternally grateful to God for bringing me back from the pit before it was too late. It should never have been that way, though, if NTCC was a Christ-centered, true Christian church from the beginning and not a money-grubbing cult.
I'm truly glad to hear that MDR and Deb escaped from that hellish cult, especially now that I know the full obscene truth of NTCC and the many, many lives it has destroyed.
God bless all of you!
Marcus
Since I'm unable to delete the above comment, I want everyone that reads it to know that I forgive R.W. Davis and anyone else at NTCC that did anything wrong to me. I refuse to hold a grudge against any of them, as my Father in heaven holds no grudges against me for all of the countless times I sinned against Him. God bless all of you!
Marcus
Well, RW's philosophy was to forgive, but never forget. No one who runs the NTCC gauntlet will ever forget that life experience. It's commendable (and biblical) to warn others against false prophets, so don't feel guilty for exposing them.
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